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Title: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: WarLord on February 01, 2012, 12:03:04 pm
Hey guys,

I plan to loom foot-armor when I retire next (only thing I do not have not loomed at all till today).

Now I made some tests with the WPF Calculator:

Boots below weight 1 give no WPF penalty at all, whereas boots with 2 weight or more give 2 % WPF (at least in combination with my body armor and headarmor set I always use).
2 % might not sound much, but I want to use my WPF as effective as possible and also light boots costs like "no" upkeep, whereas heavy boots can cost 150 - 200.
But if you have a weapon thats cost 1k and body armor for 1,2 k boots could be the thing where to save money.

Now I noticed that light boots only get 4 armor more (same as light body armor) instead of 5, because they dont get the lordly-status, but only reinforced.

So, what are your experiences with loomed foot-armor, tell me what you would loom (or already have loomed), I´m curious.

 




Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 01, 2012, 12:05:07 pm
WarLord I thought you said you will never gonna  retire? :P
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Kafein on February 01, 2012, 12:07:40 pm
Leg armor is mostly useful for cav, because it is much more exposed when you ride. The best choice for inf is probably the lightest one that gives +5 when heirloomed 3 times.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Fips on February 01, 2012, 12:07:59 pm
I just did it to got everything loomed and tbh i don't notice any difference between normal shynbaulds and the lordly ones^^
In Melee nobody tries to hit your legs and archers usually don't aim at the legs.

Comes in handy as cavalry, though.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: _Tak_ on February 01, 2012, 12:09:06 pm
In Melee nobody tries to hit your legs and archers usually don't aim at the legs.

Pikeman and spearman can hit you in the leg

Oh that effort is like 3 Gens ago, I planned to stay 2h and play to level 32 and such, but I just retired 100 k xp after level 31, because more looms and changing your build is better then a few levels more  :mrgreen:

Would be good to see more high level players again, and its good to keep retiring yes :P

2h and polearms can hit me in the leg, too. But still nobody really aims for them.

Only good pikeman will aim for the legs, as most people don't usually get expensive leg armor. Pike is kinda useless in siege, in battle pike user do aim for the leg (English Pikeman)  :P
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Fips on February 01, 2012, 12:12:23 pm
Pikeman and spearman can hit you in the leg

2h and polearms can hit me in the leg, too. But still nobody really aims for them.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Torben on February 01, 2012, 12:14:49 pm
I dont see them being worth jack,  but if you dont have any better use for your loom points,  go ahead i guess
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Fips on February 01, 2012, 12:16:06 pm
Yeah, by asking "is it worth it" I also ask if it is worth at all, so maybe I could just sell my loom point and be a rich man again, or loom another nice weapon to fight with. Thats the question  :mrgreen:

Like i said, i just did it to feel "complete" =D

If you are cav -> go for it
Any other classes -> pretty useless
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Tennenoth on February 01, 2012, 12:16:43 pm
I have fully loomed everything I use but my boots are still bog-standard.

With the new patch the damage to the legs is something within the range of 53-55% of the actual damage before the armour reduction anyway. On another point, you get leg armour from your body armour as well.

With my current armour, I get 10 from my body armour and 19 from the boots, that's 29, while my body armour is at 27+9=36 with only a damage percentage of 67. In effect, i've got about the same amount of leg armour, without looming my boots and having cheap ones (Rus Cav Boots) as I do with my fully loomed gloves and armour.

Personally, I don't believe it's particularly worth it due to the fact that your lower body is deemed less important than say, your spleen. I would, if you can really be bothered to get a fully loomed set of equipment, leg armour is only really worth it for cavalry, who are more than likely going to get their legs amputated at least once a map.

Leg armour for Rus Cav Boots would increase the armour from 19  to 23 (+1, +1, +2 afaik) a nice increase but fairly pointless for someone who tends not to get hit in the legs.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Torben on February 01, 2012, 12:23:44 pm
I also want to feel "complete"

get a girlfriend and ditch the boots
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Torben on February 01, 2012, 12:31:23 pm
siehe oben  :mrgreen: ohne scheiss,  sehe das wie tenne.  u wenne verkaufst,  kannste dir sowieso alles kaufen was du magst bei den loom preisen heut. 

schniddengruber sauerkraut,  autobahn achtung blitz,  ja?
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Fips on February 01, 2012, 12:33:07 pm
schniddengruber sauerkraut,  autobahn achtung blitz,  ja?

What the fuck...visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Tennenoth on February 01, 2012, 12:33:38 pm
Was ist das?

"lightning-esteem highway, yes" - Yes, lightning-esteem highway, wonderful things.

"see above: shock: no shit, see how the antenna. u when reselling, you buy what you like anyway everything at the loom praise today."

Thank you Google Translate, I always wondered what my name was in German.  :|
Yes, it is true I buy what I like but I haven't for a while. Black Armour Archery can be costly.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Torben on February 01, 2012, 12:41:42 pm
thought i should post a few words that sound familiar to non germans : )
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: BlameMeForTheNoise on February 01, 2012, 01:26:19 pm
Watt is hier eigtl los? Ihr seid doch alle nicht mehr ganz dicht.   :D
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Miwiw on February 01, 2012, 01:30:23 pm
Abendbrot - you all know what I mean!


@topic:

I thought about looming my leather boots. They are actually the only parts of my armor, I usually wear in every case. They've got a good price to repair, 18 leg armor and 22 after being reinforced. But I will surely not loom them until I have my weapons and more important armor parts loomed. Body and head armor are more important, also because my chest armor does give some leg armor anyway.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Teeth on February 01, 2012, 01:36:13 pm
Leg armour doesn't matter at all. I have a very heavy body armour but I still roll with Rus cavalry boots because they look good. You are better of selling your loompoint or just looming something else.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 01, 2012, 01:43:51 pm
I've just never really noticed any kind of massive difference for foot armour. I only go with what I think looks good. I'm a style whore, although my helmet has become over used and passe but I have 9 crafting in it :/ I don't really want to just through the crafting away, DAMN YOU ALL THINE HARD WORK DAMN YOU!
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 01, 2012, 02:46:42 pm
Leg armour doesn't matter at all. I have a very heavy body armour but I still roll with Rus cavalry boots because they look good. You are better of selling your loompoint or just looming something else.
TBH there are players like me who purely aim for the leg and groin region with their throwing lances...
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Casimir on February 01, 2012, 03:10:16 pm
Cav = worth it.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 01, 2012, 04:52:11 pm
mail chausses are all you need as infantry...I still use it as cav because they're cheap and provide decent armor.  Oh  noes they have cloth on the back side, how ugly...big deal.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 01, 2012, 04:53:38 pm
Looming boots?.. -_-
 
My advice - sell the heirloom point and use your gold for charity. Or make a lottery. Sponsor a prise for a cRPG tournament. Reward best map-makers. Offer 500k for writing a good guide on something. Or buy this t-shirt:
 
(click to show/hide)

 
Just don't loom your boots. There is no glory in boots, and very little practical use.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Tzar on February 01, 2012, 05:13:10 pm
Imho leg an head armor is pointless to loom due to the bonous dmg received when hit in either one...

Its a luxury loom if u have nothing else to spend the loom point at or need gold..
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Teeth on February 01, 2012, 05:45:57 pm
TBH there are players like me who purely aim for the leg and groin region with their throwing lances...
They can aim for my groin all day. Thats where my 60 body armour will keep me safe. Keep in mind that the only portion of the body that uses leg armour is from below the knee. A very small part. They lower legs move around a lot, so its quite hard to shoot. If they get hit they get reduced damage compared to the body, the overall body and leg damage was reduced last patch so there is even less to fear there.

When you say that, I´ll do it. 630 k left to level 31, but what to loom then, hehe.
If its a choice between looming something completely useless or looming leg armour, then go for leg armour. Loomed leg armour is not completely useless, but only just so. Why not keep going after lvl 31? I just hit lvl 32 and having both 7 ps and 7 athlethics is sweet!
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Miwiw on February 01, 2012, 06:59:57 pm
Imho leg an head armor is pointless to loom due to the bonous dmg received when hit in either one...

Regarding head armor it pretty much depends imo. Sure, if you get hit by an arrow or bolt directly in the head, you are pretty much dead in any case. But if someone has a sword and aims for your head, don't you need head armor then to reduce the dmg given? Afaik it is the head armor which is important ones someone directly hits your head with any melee weapon, so I guess getting better head armor isnt really a minor point, but body armor is for sure always more important. ;)
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Dezilagel on February 01, 2012, 07:11:41 pm
I'm pretty sure "leg" is deemed as the thighs and down...
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: wayyyyyne on February 01, 2012, 07:25:35 pm
I'm pretty sure some of those moments where I 1 or 2 hit someone who's fully dressed in some kinda plate armor are due to their lack of proper boots. (I actually remember 1 hitting YOU, warlord in high tier armor you saying something along "lol wtf, 1hit, got every part of my armor triple loomed" "boots too?" "not the boots" "might be the problem since you were only wearing rus boots")

Also keep in mind that anything up to the pelvis counts as feet (correct me if I'm wrong).
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Teeth on February 01, 2012, 07:42:00 pm
I'm pretty sure "leg" is deemed as the thighs and down...
It's not in this game.

Edit: Or maybe it is. Tears's guide says its the entire leg. I remember reading that it was from knees and down and that caused me to go Rus Cavalry Boots.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 01, 2012, 08:11:25 pm
I just always assumed it was your lower half, so basically under the waist (thighs and down).
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Teeth on February 01, 2012, 10:03:58 pm
Well the body armour model covers till the knee. So would make more sense if the parts it covers are also affected by it. I also remember someone saying it, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Zerran on February 01, 2012, 10:18:23 pm
I've forced more than one person to start wearing better leg armor thanks to my sneaky foot shots, good leg armor is definitely worth it at least against the longer thrusting weapons. I always like finding people who think leg armor is useless, 2 shotting them a few times in the legs, and then noticing they got better boots.  :lol: Loom your body and head armor first though, as these get hit much more often.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Snoozer on February 01, 2012, 11:27:44 pm
yes this was one of the things i was debating about which armor i should wear

it was either the studded leather coat or the lemallars

i think i picked the studded due to the fact it was lighter

do you guys think they should put more importance on the legs?

liike a strong attack would cause knockdown or at east bare minimum have the same damage as body?

to me it makes no sense it should be taken into more importance(like to aim at the head for more damage)
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Teeth on February 01, 2012, 11:48:53 pm
yes this was one of the things i was debating about which armor i should wear

it was either the studded leather coat or the lemallars

i think i picked the studded due to the fact it was lighter

do you guys think they should put more importance on the legs?

liike a strong attack would cause knockdown or at east bare minimum have the same damage as body?

to me it makes no sense it should be taken into more importance(like to aim at the head for more damage)
Coming from a guy who wears a Rus Lamellar Cuirass and Rus Cavalry boots, I haven't really experienced me dying unusually quick due to leg hits, nor actually getting shot in them. On the rare occasions that my legs do get shot they take little damage. Going cheap on leg armour is a good weight and money saver imo.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Gristle on February 02, 2012, 12:13:34 am
Pretty sure it's the whole leg. There's a reason so many body armors give at least some leg armor.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Casimir on February 02, 2012, 12:31:35 am
legs receive like 75% damage, feet 100%

As i said, as cav, defo recommend good foot armour.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: v/onMega on February 02, 2012, 08:10:56 am
und das du mir den giant grüßt!!!

Do it, you ll like yourself for doing it once Final Boss has finished his loom retexturing.
Perfect show off, ha!
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Snoozer on February 02, 2012, 08:20:03 am
legs receive like 75% damage, feet 100%

As i said, as cav, defo recommend good foot armour.
where did you get that information?

i heard it was far less only around 50%(tennenoths post 1st page)
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Dezilagel on February 02, 2012, 03:58:33 pm
I always aim for the legs against heavier armored opponents, it works wonders.

"Wtf? Did you just 2-shot me?!?! AXAXAXAXAXA" is a message I've seen many times...
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: Casimir on February 02, 2012, 04:21:46 pm
where did you get that information?

i heard it was far less only around 50%(tennenoths post 1st page)

Oh i don't remember numbers exactly, i know its reduced. i don't think as dramatically as 50% though.

I know the feet are counted as part of the body though and receive 100% damage.
Title: Re: Looming leg-armor - is it worth it?
Post by: RandomDude on February 02, 2012, 04:39:52 pm
Im gen 19 and i still havent loomed any leg armour.

I still havent loomed my Sallet either yet though... just so many things to loom, so much plate armour to pay for (by selling loom points) and then finding out that I wont be able to afford to craft plate in strategus and having to loom new stuff all over again lol...

My honest opinion is leave it till last. If there's definately nothing else you want to loom and you dont mind retiring 3 more times then go for it.