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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: Algaroth on January 23, 2012, 07:38:03 am
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I was about to post screenshots of this too, but you beat me to it.
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what happened?
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what happened?
They decided to delay the round by building with siege equipment. After the round was ended one of the knights on my team destroyed their equipment, in response they wanted to tk him and building siege equipment on battle is strictly forbidden.
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,24009.0.html
Worth noting, they lost the round they built construction shit, the round they TK'd me they won, largely because of their own contributions.
Meow has also warned them against constructing forts, too.
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BAN!
I SEEN'T EM DO'N IT YOUR HONOR!
I SEENT EM!!!
BAN BAN BAN!!!
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dont ever recall meow warning us to not build but okay
and reason wojtek tk'd ufthak is because he was killing the equipment racks
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,24009.0.html
Worth noting, they lost the round they built construction shit, the round they TK'd me they won, largely because of their own contributions.
Meow has also warned them against constructing forts, too.
Haven't seen a warning from meow, thanks for fabricating that though.
Wasn't aware building siege was forbidden on battle servers as well, since the last time ATS built siege towers there were admins present and nothing was said.
*edit - worth noting, only reason we lost because its a shitty random plains map and the flags spawned far - it was 2v7 and me and palatro widdled it down to 2v3 vs some randies
All in all this is just an attempt to ban someone because one person doesn't like the other - I think everyone that has played with us knows that we contribute to the fight and don't dick around95% of the time.
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I think rather than a ban, can we get one of the devs to give a direct ruling here about what really qualifies as siege-spam and give them the benefit of the doubt that they just didn't know better if it's deemed not okay?
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Haven't seen a warning from meow, thanks for fabricating that though.
Wasn't aware building siege was forbidden on battle servers as well, since the last time ATS built siege towers there were admins present and nothing was said.
*edit - worth noting, only reason we lost because its a shitty random plains map and the flags spawned far - it was 2v7 and me and palatro widdled it down to 2v3 vs some randies
All in all this is just an attempt to ban someone because one person doesn't like the other - I think everyone that has played with us knows that we contribute to the fight and don't dick around95% of the time.
Most of the admins that were actually present probably didn't focused on you guys while building siege equipment mainly, because they were fighting and didn't bother to check spawn. You shouldn't be at spawn delaying the round so you can just waste everyone else is time. Personally, I posted this request for banning trolls, griefers, tkers, twers, etc. it's your responsibility to make the community a better place.
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Doubt they didn't notice a 100 foot large siege tower rolling around.
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i was just gathering wood to make a camp fire as the screen shots show
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Doubt they didn't notice a 100 foot large siege tower rolling around.
How does even construction site help the team if it's at spawn. They will probably get killed by cavalry by the team they get back to their spawn to heal or change gear.
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alamo? ....shiiiiiiiiiiit
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Doing construction on battle is leeching. There are no practical uses for siege towers at all. Consider this your warning not to leech back at spawn and contribute to the team.
As for the TK, I cant see the screenshots atm so when I do whoever was responsible will get a 24 hour ban.
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I was the person that got TK'd, I'd rather not see them banned.
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I can also confirm that i warned at least Wojtek about this a week or two ago where they spammed con sites on a roof top and then camped it even as last people alive.
Accessible but not helpful for the team at all.
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# No siege equipment spam
* OK: Planting ladders to get to roofs or walls
* OK: Blocking a door with a construction site
* OK: Planting siege shields to provide cover from ranged fire
* NOT OK: Creating a weapon rack and spawning more than a few items to block movement
Can you tell me how building a seige tower is against the rules provided here? It seems Algaroth and others are under the assumption that using weapon racks to get materials is spamming, but the rules state that spamming items to block movement is against the rules. There is a big difference between that and using them to build a seige tower.
Isn't the point of the weapon racks to build this kind of stuff? Otherwise why are they in the game?
Ganner, isn't it your job to enforce the rules that are stated, not make them up as you please? Creating seige towers aren't against the rules currently stated, if you believe they are impractical in battle is besides the point.
However, there does seem to be a general consensus that destroying your teams weapon racks is against the rules.
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"first rule of em all: common sense"
~ chadz
If your common sense is not working, here are some more specific guidelines. This is not an explicit list, common sense always overrides disputes. Do not come crying "it's not prohibited in the rules" if you invent a new creative way to be an idiot and get punished.
This has also been discussed before, it falls under the common sense rules and the leeching rules. By sitting in spawn spending 3-5 minutes constructing a siege tower you are not contributing to your team and thus leeching.
Remember not all rules are expressly written, thus the first rule. USE COMMON SENSE.
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This has also been discussed before, it falls under the common sense rules and the leeching rules. By sitting in spawn spending 3-5 minutes constructing a siege tower you are not contributing to your team and thus leeching.
Remember not all rules are expressly written, thus the first rule. USE COMMON SENSE.
Totally did not see the common sense clause coming, OH WAIT! That is what every admin falls back on when they don't have anything else to say. So why are there construction sites and materials in the game? They are made for building. It takes a lot less time to build a seige tower then you think it does.
It is a slippery slope when admins start defining what strategic plans are aloud and what ones aren't. Are people going to get banned next week for camping houses and other structures?
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Wojtek_ATS 24 hour ban for TKing.
As for your "excuse" that its a valid tactic, i doubt very much that your temmates that all appeared to be dead before your tower was up would agree. Its leeching plain and simple, you are warned, and if caught you will receive a ban for leeching.