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Title: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: _Tak_ on January 17, 2012, 01:50:31 am
104 speed? Omg with 30 damage and just 1200 gold? What the hell? Wakizaishi is even worse than a short falchion compare to its state and price (x6 more) . It it too over powered.

With the item loomed it will have 105 speed. with 30 damage. Wow this is the best weapon for agi trolls who uses one handed weapon. The opponent will have trouble at blocking due to its weapon's speed at 105.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Xant on January 17, 2012, 01:54:57 am
weapon length: 61
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: _Tak_ on January 17, 2012, 02:00:13 am
weapon length: 61

Compare it with a katana then :P . looks like a spartan sword to me
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Zerran on January 17, 2012, 02:53:59 am
It's fine. Weapon length is a major stat, and while this thing hits fairly hard and is very fast, it's extremely short and lacks a stab. Compare to Nomad Sabre: Short falchion has +1 damage, +2 speed and -2 difficulty, but -26 length. That's pretty major compared to 1 damage and 2 speed.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: _Tak_ on January 17, 2012, 08:05:38 am
It's fine. Weapon length is a major stat, and while this thing hits fairly hard and is very fast, it's extremely short and lacks a stab. Compare to Nomad Sabre: Short falchion has +1 damage, +2 speed and -2 difficulty, but -26 length. That's pretty major compared to 1 damage and 2 speed.

Fair enough , i guess this fast sword can become super spam attack
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: dodnet on January 17, 2012, 12:08:55 pm
Well if you compare it to the Wakizashi, which has similar stats, is only 9 longer but costs 6 times more, it seems quite a bit overpowered and unbalanced.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Malaclypse on January 17, 2012, 01:12:32 pm
Fair enough , i guess this fast sword can become super spam attack

There is no attack in a 1 vs 1 situation in this mod that is so fast that it cannot be countered. You can only get spammed or overwhelmed if you let yourself!
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: _Tak_ on January 17, 2012, 01:15:17 pm
Well if you compare it to the Wakizashi, which has similar stats, is only 9 longer but costs 6 times more, it seems quite a bit overpowered and unbalanced.

True, and the falchion deal more damage than waki, Waki is completely USELESS now.

There is no attack in a 1 vs 1 situation in this mod that is so fast that it cannot be countered. You can only get spammed or overwhelmed if you let yourself!

Agi trolls will do
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Mala on January 17, 2012, 01:37:08 pm
Try a loomed long dagger. Then we can talk about spamming :P .
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Elmokki on January 17, 2012, 01:46:00 pm
It's funny, but in no way overpowered. It's so very short that anyone except some gimmick strength build will probably be able to dodge your attacks fairly often, and even if not, it's just a bit faster steel pick with worse damage type.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Spawny on January 17, 2012, 03:07:06 pm
Agi trolls will do

Agility trolls and cut damage weapons usually don't mix very well. 3 PS with 30 cut damage will glance A LOT and 61 reach will mean you need just 15 or so agility to be able to play the reach game.
He attacks, I step back and swing at the same time= dead agility troll. If I'm not fast enough, I only have to step into his swing to make him glance and kill him that way.

I still have to see it in action, but as it's not that hard to block a long dagger which has 4 attack directions I'm not too worried.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: _Tak_ on January 18, 2012, 09:43:48 am
Agility trolls and cut damage weapons usually don't mix very well. 3 PS with 30 cut damage will glance A LOT and 61 reach will mean you need just 15 or so agility to be able to play the reach game.
He attacks, I step back and swing at the same time= dead agility troll. If I'm not fast enough, I only have to step into his swing to make him glance and kill him that way.

I still have to see it in action, but as it's not that hard to block a long dagger which has 4 attack directions I'm not too worried.


If you have only two choice , a Wakizaishi or a Short Falchion , which one?
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Xant on January 18, 2012, 09:54:09 am
Wakizashi, obviously. Wakizashi gets the weeaboo price increase, though.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Spawny on January 18, 2012, 10:04:13 am
If you have only two choice , a Wakizaishi or a Short Falchion , which one?

Basically this:

Wakizashi, obviously. Wakizashi gets the weeaboo price increase, though.

The reason the wakizashi is more expensive is the weeaboo price. Not because it's supposedly better or anything.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: dodnet on January 18, 2012, 11:10:43 am
So prize is now only determined by the looks?  :shock:
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Senni__Ti on January 18, 2012, 11:19:38 am
Agility trolls and cut damage weapons usually don't mix very well. 3 PS with 30 cut damage will glance A LOT and 61 reach will mean you need just 15 or so agility to be able to play the reach game.
He attacks, I step back and swing at the same time= dead agility troll. If I'm not fast enough, I only have to step into his swing to make him glance and kill him that way.

I still have to see it in action, but as it's not that hard to block a long dagger which has 4 attack directions I'm not too worried.

Leoking.

Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: _Tak_ on January 18, 2012, 11:35:03 am
Wakizashi, obviously. Wakizashi gets the weeaboo price increase, though.

But short falchion has more damager plus faster
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Spawny on January 18, 2012, 12:04:33 pm
Leoking.

Leoking has a 14/24 or 27 build atm and he's level 34. He uses a Niuweidao and if it's MW it deals 35 cut damage which is quite a lot more than 30. Also, his 4 PS is one more than the 3 PS I was talking about.

I've fought him quite a few times on the sieger server a few days ago and with the niuweidao he hit like a paper towel and I had to hit him twice, sometimes 3 times to kill him. Only after he switched to a steel pick his hits began to properly hurt.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Xant on January 18, 2012, 12:06:45 pm
But short falchion has more damager plus faster

No, they're same speed. 9 reach>2 cut damage.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Malaclypse on January 18, 2012, 04:10:50 pm
Agi trolls will do

What does that mean? How does that answer my statement? Again, there is no attack in this game that cannot be countered. The ONLY way you may have trouble countering someone with high agility is if you yourself are unskilled at the game, and/or playing an extremely high strength build. And even then what you're actually having trouble countering is likely footwork and not an attack in itself.
Title: Re: Short Falchion [Stats]
Post by: Trikipum on January 23, 2012, 06:20:48 pm
104 speed? Omg with 30 damage and just 1200 gold? What the hell? Wakizaishi is even worse than a short falchion compare to its state and price (x6 more) . It it too over powered.

With the item loomed it will have 105 speed. with 30 damage. Wow this is the best weapon for agi trolls who uses one handed weapon. The opponent will have trouble at blocking due to its weapon's speed at 105.
If any they should raise its damage and give it a bonus vs shields and chain mail. Are you aware falchions are "axe-swords"?.