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Title: Any martial artists?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on January 09, 2012, 03:10:01 am
Title says it all. Are there any people here who have martial arts experience? What fighting system or systems have you subscribed too? Any plans for your martial future?
If you don't have any experience with the martial arts, but are in any way interested, I'm sure those with experience pertinent to the subject would be willing to answer most any question.
I personally have studied the arts of ass-kicking since I was, I dunno, five or six. I began by learning Tae Kwon Do, and though I was very young at the time that particular art laid the foundation for my future study; indeed, vestiges of my Tae Kwon Do training are visible to this very day to those with a keen eye--I love kicking (I'm well aware of the situational factors which often limit kicking's practicality in a violent encounter, kthxbye), and am very partial to striking in general. Anyway, I spent the bulk of my life learning Tang Soo Do, which is very similar to Tae Kwon Do--more hand-work. And finally, I spent about two years studying Goshin Ryu, a form of Karate.
My grappling skills are, um, fucking shitty. Only the most basic of basic shit, learned during the "self-defense" focus that was a part of some of my training, and from youtube. Hopefully I'll find somebody to teach me some grappling and throwing (once I'm done with college, so busy, and poor).
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Post by: Huey Newton on January 09, 2012, 04:00:48 am
I did Wado-Ryu when I was younger for about 7 years. No pro at fighting but I can defend myself just fine. good enough for me
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Post by: SixThumbs on January 09, 2012, 04:35:46 am
A little Muay Thai and Wing Chun for a few years.
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Post by: Xant on January 09, 2012, 04:37:56 am
I'm an expert level marital artist, if that counts.
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Post by: Siiem on January 09, 2012, 05:02:42 am
I don't think spanking other naked dudes with twigs in the sauna counts as a martial art Xant...
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Post by: Konrax on January 09, 2012, 06:59:22 am
TKD for many years and working on getting to blackbelt in Hapkido currently.
Also did about a years worth of jujitsu, and I spend an hour or so every month working on kali stick fighting.
I would highly recommend checking hapkido out, the only tough part is finding a place that is legit and not just fluff.
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Post by: Tennenoth on January 09, 2012, 07:19:31 am
Not me but my brother did Jujistu for many years, national gold medalist for England at one stage in some area (controlled fight or something similar). Gave up because he got more and more stressed over it.
I'll also point the buck towards Gisbert_of_Thuringia, I believe he is some form of martial artist.
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Post by: B3RS3RK on January 09, 2012, 07:28:43 am
Im an MMA fighter.
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Post by: Xant on January 09, 2012, 11:14:06 am
I don't think spanking other naked dudes with twigs in the sauna counts as a martial art Xant...
You fail at reading.
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Post by: Leesin on January 09, 2012, 05:39:33 pm
I used to train Submission Grappling and Jiu Jitsu. Sub Grappling contains alot of Jits techniques, but it also used alot of wrestling too, I used it to mainly learn my wrestling and to practice my overall skill set, Jiu Jitsu is where I would drill and learn new jits techniques.
I also spent time working on Muay Thai, mainly for the knees in clinch and the kicks, with my Russian friend who grew up learning it. I've always been pretty good with my hands since I was a kid, my Dad was a boxer and used to teach me how to throw punches properly and how to box overall, I'm not an amazing boxer or anything, but I punch pretty hard for a small guy.
One of my best mates fights Muay Thai and K-1 Rules kickboxing, it's always great to go and see him fight, sadly I think I will miss his next fight due to work :(.
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Post by: Torben on January 09, 2012, 06:09:22 pm
Japanese and some North american(?) Jiu jitsu, but rly interessted in krav maga
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Post by: Christo on January 09, 2012, 07:34:01 pm
Martial arts a cool and flashy, and can be very useful in certain situations.
But if an experienced guy draws a weapon.. It can be a pain depending on what martial art you know.
:)
PS: I know that most are basically used for competitions and stuff, but me myself, I like practical things that can be used in real life with high effectivity. :wink:
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Post by: Xant on January 09, 2012, 07:57:39 pm
Yeah man. Better to lay on the floor and just beg for the gunman to make it quick.
And also guns are cool and flashy, and can be very useful in certain situations.
But if a nuclear-weapon state sends nukes against someone with a gun... it can be a pain depending on what gun you own.
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Post by: Christo on January 09, 2012, 08:01:30 pm
this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBGVwkEJhYs&feature=related
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Post by: Laufknoten on January 09, 2012, 11:57:33 pm
I'm a Ninja and I mostly use the shadow clone jutsu. Here's an example of my training: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdPtMuGJXpo
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Post by: djavo on January 10, 2012, 12:38:28 am
Gracie Barra BJJ brown belt third day
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Post by: Joker86 on January 10, 2012, 01:15:40 am
I don't know shit about martial arts.
I live in Germany, and sure you all know the Oktoberfest, but that's not the only feast we have, every greater town has its own one, and the one from my town is called "Cannstatter Wasen". :mrgreen:
When I was about let's say 16 to 19 (many years ago, everything already barred), I had a friend who used to hang around with some older fellows, who were... well... not really the "high school" crowd we were supposed to hang around as high school students. :wink:
And perhaps you know how this feels, you are stuck between puberty and being a real grown up, you want to be taken seriously by the other matures but you aren't, and last but not least you are a young male and there is not a single accessable pussy for you wherever you look. (And HELL! You WOULD finally want to know how that thing feels like!).
So what do you do?
You drink masses of alcohol, and start barging people on that feast, always hoping they complain. If they complain, you beat the shit out of them. :oops:
Now the point of this little, not really glorious history of mine: sometimes there were guys who appearently did martial arts, though of course I can't say how good they were or anything more concrete, as I was drunk and in a brawl you don't have the proper overview to judge how those guys performed, but every single time we saw one of them they got beaten badly, and this was NOT because they got overwhelmed. Usually one of us (never me) took care of those guys, and you could see how they TRIED to use a special grip or throw or something, but every time it didn't work like in the movies, it looked everything else than smooth, my mate somehow turned himself out of the grip (they were both fighting more with the jackets than with the other guy), and in the next moment he rammed his fist, elbow or head into the face of that martial "artist", which every single time surprised them totally, they dropped, protected their body with their arms and legs, received a few kicks and got ignored for the rest of the brawl. :|
From my - limited, I didn't do this more than three or four times (= days, with a few brawls, ended by running from the police) as I got an overwhelmingly bad conscience, I really felt pity with some of those guys - experience I can say that the martial arts that are tought here in Germany in the usual martial arts schools are far away from being suitable in real brawls. :rolleyes:
I bet it is "easier" to predict the actions of someone who is trained in martial arts, as they will fight by certain "rules" (not rules to stay fair, but rather both of them knowing what is the most effective action and the best counter), unlike some drunks, who will just kick and box as good as they can. But yet I was kind of "dissapointed" of the performance of martial arts, as drunken aggressions were enough to beat them. :?
Did we only encounter bad fighters? ( I think so). Or is it because in the schools they only train these "sportive competition"-styles?
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Post by: Christo on January 10, 2012, 01:19:36 am
Joker, I think it's the second thing.
Especially if you meet a sportsman who wants or has a career.
If he beats up someone IRL, then his career could easily end and he'll get sued.
I remember that some boxing guy got beaten and overwhelmed because of this, iirc in Hungary. He couldn't strike back, or his starting career goes poof. Of course laws changed now so who knows.
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Post by: Joker86 on January 10, 2012, 01:22:15 am
Yeah, I guess this is a problem as well, I didn't think of this. Perhaps even if he could have broken the arm of my "buddy" in self defense, because he was martial artist the judge could have blamed him of "disproportionate measures" or however you call it (you know what I mean). :?
But still, the guys I saw didn't look like they were holding themselves back... :?
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Post by: Darkoveride on January 10, 2012, 01:48:29 am
Akido Judo Kenpo Kick boxing Bowing. bit of TKD too but nothing in depth. And several of purely weapon based styles of fighting. I tend to stick with a martial art, for only short amount of time as alot of people seems to be about the ranks and grades you are. My study is purely for practical purposes. And alot was study during my time in the military.
on a side note everything you know about martial arts lasts till you get hit , then it becomes instinct and will based fight.
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Post by: Torben on January 10, 2012, 01:49:16 am
Dude, did you see how many idiots are in these schools? every technique, no matter if swimming, sprinting or fighting has to be somewhat "mastered" before it can be used in a stress situation. most kids out there just dont have the training hours down to actually use their skills
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Post by: Joker86 on January 10, 2012, 01:50:34 am
Yes, but the point is that many of those arts are adverted as "easy to learn" and "basic self defence" and whatnot, and all I saw was... crap...
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Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on January 10, 2012, 02:53:52 am
No art is easy to learn :)
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Post by: Torben on January 10, 2012, 02:58:38 am
on a side note everything you know about martial arts lasts till you get hit , then it becomes instinct and will based fight.
This being the expert view of the guy who doesn't have the willpower to stick with any one art long enough to become decent in it.
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Post by: B3RS3RK on January 10, 2012, 08:36:49 am
You really need to master an Art to use it in a normal fight usefully.
Also, if you are drunk, you cant use it properly.
AAAND the best thing in a normal fight you get from your martial arts education is a bit better reflexes.You won´t get to do your fancy grips mostly.
Few exceptions there are, like boxing and Thaiboxing, which ARE actually useful in a real life fight because they strengthen your hits and such.
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Post by: ArysOakheart on January 10, 2012, 09:59:13 am
Kung Fu (Choy Le Fut)
Punch/kick/grab to the balls or punch/chop to the throat. 70% of the techniques
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Post by: Xant on January 10, 2012, 10:00:23 am
obsessed with balls
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Post by: Torost on January 10, 2012, 12:51:13 pm
If you want to do martial art, train some ancient oriental style.
If you want to learn how to fight , then do some fighting.
If you want to learn how to fight effectivly then find someone that can teach you some police/military technique. Krav Maga is pretty straight forward, effective,and easy to learn. It is designed that way. But it is not art, just A to B ways to in the shortest,dirtiest,most effective way cripple your target.
Usually it is no gain to fight, just walk away. Play warband instead :)
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Post by: Radament on January 10, 2012, 01:52:43 pm
If you want to do martial art, train some ancient oriental style.
If you want to learn how to fight , then do some fighting.
this.
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Post by: BlameMeForTheNoise on January 10, 2012, 02:33:08 pm
I started Martial Arts when i was 10 with 5 years of Shotokan-Karate until my second brown belt. After that i made a pause for several years due to living in a fucking small village with just nothing to do. Now i live in Cologne, Germany and practice Krav Maga (Thank you big city) since 2003.
But it is no "Martial Art" for that matter and everyone practicing it will tell you the same. It is strictly classified as "Self-Defense" which is a big difference. You don't learn any fair fighting inside a reglement of any kind, but instead you do learn how to behave in potential dangerous situations. Which - instead of fair rules - involves effective "get rid of one or mostly more than one opponents and/or save you and third persons at the same time"
First comes the Confidence-training, after which you do a lot of actual behavioural stuff, like how exactly do you behave in a dangerous situation. You learn how your body reacts under extreme stress (which involves setting your body under extreme stress :) ). You learn that "an asshole comes seldom alone" and how to react to that.
Finally you actually do learn some physical basic-fighting techniques like Boxing/Kicking/Grapple. But everything is kinda "intuitive". Its not about learning specific forms or stuff like that, but more in the direction of: What would be your (or your bodys) first intuitive movement anyways and you base everything on that. Thats why learning it is easier than doing special forms/techniques.
And you do learn how to effectively "dispose" of a threat. That means you do not "box" with them in a fair contest... Instead you attack vulnerable parts. You kick on feet/chin/joints/stomach/balls. You attack with your hands the back of the head/throat/eyes/liver/kidney of your opponent. Also you learn how to disarm opponents armed with various stuff like knifes/guns/sticks or whatever.
But the first and most effective rule of self-defense of all: You learn how to avoid any fight and run away properly if the situation allows. This is no joke at all.
If you really want to learn any real self-defense instead of a sport, i can recommend Krav Maga to you all. But sadly if you dont live in a populated area or Israel for that matter, trainers are kinda hard to find.
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Post by: Darkkarma on January 10, 2012, 02:45:40 pm
I started out in boxing, switched to tae kwon do, which was absolute garbage in terms of practicality, but it did lay out great ground work for kicking technique and being limber. I used to take kickboxing /muay thai classes and now I pretty much just practice on my own. Im thinking about taking Judo in the summer.
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Post by: B3RS3RK on January 10, 2012, 03:49:48 pm
You know whats my self defense?
Training my body so I can knock out a motherfucker with a sucker punch when shit gets real :D
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Post by: Darkoveride on January 10, 2012, 05:19:14 pm
This being the expert view of the guy who doesn't have the willpower to stick with any one art long enough to become decent in it.
Its not a lack of willpower , im just not into martial arts for discipline or strength or confidence, the usual reasons people do them. Its purely practical for me.
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Post by: Xant on January 10, 2012, 05:39:47 pm
It isn't practical to hop from one art to another before you even know how to do the first one properly.
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Post by: Darkoveride on January 10, 2012, 05:41:39 pm
but your knowledge only goes so far, Experience, instinct and will are what always matter.
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Post by: Xant on January 10, 2012, 05:49:00 pm
I don't even.
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Post by: Darkoveride on January 10, 2012, 05:58:59 pm
but you welcome to your opinion about it , everything is interpretted differently by different people. :P
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Post by: Xant on January 10, 2012, 06:04:34 pm
Just to get this straight - you hop from martial art to martial art because of practicality, but when I said there's no practicality about it if you don't stay long enough to learn it... you say that it's all about the instinct and experience anyway? Wtf? Why do you go in the first place then and do the bunnyhop thing?
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Post by: B3RS3RK on January 10, 2012, 06:11:44 pm
So he can find out which art is the best to beat the shit out of people?
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Post by: Darkoveride on January 10, 2012, 07:40:04 pm
martial arts are good place to learn techniques, for more experienced people. Like i said there is too much focus on belts and grades at least in my experience. But it all comes down to what you want from a martial art, if you prefer to master one art at a time thats your choice but dont disregard other people's preferences.
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Post by: Xant on January 10, 2012, 08:26:03 pm
Why not?
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Post by: Leesin on January 10, 2012, 11:47:17 pm
Only ones I would even bother to learn are Boxing, Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Wrestling, Judo and Jiu-Jitsu. They are the most likely classes that wont be full of McDojo wankers trying to sell you belts, too many bundle of stickss jumped on the bandwagon long ago in trying to convince people what they are teaching them is effective and useful to get money out of them by selling them belts etc.
Plus in a real fight they are probably the most effective ones because they don't rely on all of these stupid complicated fantasy techniques which in turn require your opponent to be a very slow and unco-ordinated retard to pull off. Learn how to throw punches properly and punch with the proper technique everyday and it will get trained into your muscle memory, so when shit kicks off, you are throwing good punches naturally.
Wrestling, Judo and Jiu-Jitsu are of course more dangerous to use in a street fight situation because you increase the chance of someone pulling a knife and stabbing you before you realise they have one or because he might have friends who will come over and kick you in the head when you are on top of him punching him in the face. But they are still valuable skills, especially against a bigger opponent who is trying to bully you to the ground on your back, where you really don't want to be regardless of if he has a knife or not.
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Post by: Darkoveride on January 11, 2012, 12:59:43 am
i agree with you on all those points. And xant ..... you bore me now good day sir.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 01:06:56 am
Wrestling, Judo and Jiu-Jitsu are of course more dangerous to use in a street fight situation because you increase the chance of someone pulling a knife and stabbing you before you realise they have one or because he might have friends who will come over and kick you in the head when you are on top of him punching him in the face. But they are still valuable skills, especially against a bigger opponent who is trying to bully you to the ground on your back, where you really don't want to be regardless of if he has a knife or not.
What you mean is, going on the ground is dangerous. JJJ (most JJs in fact) are not ground-focused at all. Judo, generally, focuses at least just as much on throws and sweeps as it does on the groundgame. Wrestling has takedowns too, not sure what their curriculums include though and how much of what.
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Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on January 11, 2012, 01:53:28 am
BJJ and Greco Roman wrestling + some Aikido when I was younger and living in Japan.
It all went to the shit after my back injury :( I used to train 6 days a week in BJJ and greco, now I do square fuck all.
@Leeshin: Judo is great but it is McBeltorama. Its 100% awesome fun and worth doing. Its great as a sport and has practical street applications.
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Post by: Konrax on January 11, 2012, 02:23:27 am
Any martial art you learn is good for you in a bunch of ways as long as the place teaching you has your mental and physical development as their main priority. Any place where their primary goal is to get their hands in your pocket will fail you if you have a real expectation to learn an art.
As far as which art is best and that whole peen flex competition goes, none of them. Each art has its circumstances that it will perform the best in, they all have different strengths and weaknesses, and they can all defeat each other.
In other words its not the art you are fighting, its the man (or woman) you are fighting that matters most.
At the end of the day though being an experienced fighter in any art puts you at an advantage when facing someone who isn't experienced, even if weapons are involved.
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Post by: Leesin on January 11, 2012, 12:26:52 pm
What you mean is, going on the ground is dangerous. JJJ (most JJs in fact) are not ground-focused at all. Judo, generally, focuses at least just as much on throws and sweeps as it does on the groundgame. Wrestling has takedowns too, not sure what their curriculums include though and how much of what.
Wrestling is highly focused on take downs and gaining top posistion, the take downs being more shooting like double legs, single legs, bodylock slams etc. Jiu-Jitsu is all ground game with submissions from all posistions, it utilises more sweeps and trips in its takedowns along with double legs. Judo is huge on throws. I trained wrestling and some jiu jitsu out of the grappling arts, wrestling is my favourite to be honest and I miss doing it.
But anyway, my point was that in a street fight you are best to spend as little time possible grappling as you can, because if you are grappling with someone who is resisting it is likely that you cannot see everything they are doing with your eyes, if they pull a knife out you may not see it and you will most likely get stabbed in such a situation.
Which is what I meant by saying that they are valuable skills, but aren't really the greatest for having a random street fight, because there are too many variables for you to be tied up with your opponent, if he pulls a knife or he has friends to come and help him, you will be an easy target if you are grappling with him. It's better to be able to punch hard, fast and accurate in such a situation and keep the option of retreating available if he does pull a knife or his friends want to come and help him.
@Leeshin: Judo is great but it is McBeltorama. Its 100% awesome fun and worth doing. Its great as a sport and has practical street applications.
That's not what I meant mate. There are plenty of arts where belts are used, that is normal.
What I mean is "McDojos" who are ran by liars and shitty trainers that convince people what they are teaching them is awesome, then they sell them belts and tons of other shit, making the people who are learning there think they are doing awesome, when the trainers are just in it to get easy money out of naive Bruce Lee wannabes. Then some guy who's trained there goes around telling everyone he's a blackbelt in such and such, but he actually can't fight for shit.
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Post by: Casimir on January 11, 2012, 12:34:44 pm
I practice teh ancient art of Hoo-Fwung-Poo
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 03:25:40 pm
No. BJJ maybe, but that's far from the only jiu-jitsu.
Japanese JJ has strikes in it and throws.
The original form of Judo before it was cleaned up also had strikes and kicks in it as well.
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Post by: SixThumbs on January 11, 2012, 09:07:32 pm
Who cares? I'm sure most of the martial arts schools you'd come across are McDojos anyway. The ones I've been seeing recently are.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 09:12:22 pm
McDojo disease is worst in the US. Not nearly as bad in Europe.
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Post by: Konrax on January 11, 2012, 09:39:50 pm
Very irrelevant point btw, I am posting in this thread to discuss what martial arts people do and what their perceptions are of the arts they do.
Not how america has a dojo problem, or peen flexing, or that guns are superiour to an unarmed man.
It's nonsense and a waste of time, if you find yourself at a dojo and you do 3 moves for 6 months and have paid a lot of money your in a McDojo. I've been training long enough to know the difference and to just have people repeat the same thing over and over again kills this topic, you made your point about mcdojos, now leave it be.
What I want to hear about are peoples experiences, not their own personal problems/issues/ignorant opinions on this topic.
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Post by: Xant on January 11, 2012, 09:56:21 pm
For shame, SixThumbs.
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Post by: SixThumbs on January 12, 2012, 06:58:56 am
For shame what? Most martial arts places I've seen are basically just an hour baby-sitting services that touts about some bullshit self-improvement benefit for their kid or act as some alternative form of exercise.
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Post by: donib on December 29, 2012, 09:22:04 pm
I did jiu jitsu for a day but it wasnt really something for me, i would rather have a martial arts where you strike instead of grappling. Maybe ill do karate or wing chun, ill see what is available in my area.
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Post by: Berserkadin on December 29, 2012, 10:38:17 pm
I did jiu jitsu for a day but it wasnt really something for me, i would rather have a martial arts where you strike instead of grappling. Maybe ill do karate or wing chun, ill see what is available in my area.
You should try muay thai.
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Post by: donib on December 29, 2012, 10:52:24 pm
Ive seen some videos and that really looks hard core, but ill have to check for availability in my area. But i might as well do kick boxing otherwise, here in the netherlands there is plenty of good school for kick boxing
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Post by: Rage_Guy on December 30, 2012, 12:13:07 am
I find kickboxing to be very efficient if you get attacked by some homo on the street, just low kick him in the leg, and he is disabled for the next few days.
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Post by: Belatu on December 30, 2012, 01:58:58 am
I did judo when i was a child, and later on I did some taekwondo and litle of aikido, (all very enjojable and recommendable) and then I took an arrow to the knee :) [ well mostly I break that "elastic thing that join the muscle to the bone" [ i dont know the name in english] of my right ankle, three months without walking and no more simulated violence for me :( ] I am lloking forward start doing some kind of karate kind of more fist work and less jumps and shits like that :mad:
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Post by: Vaynes on December 30, 2012, 03:41:22 am
I do Atarashii Naginata :D
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Post by: Falka on December 11, 2015, 09:55:12 pm
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Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 10:12:49 pm
Classic Russians, beating on women.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on December 11, 2015, 10:58:45 pm
why practice your useless karate when you can use a gun?
firearms where made for to outmatch the ability of old melee weapons and handfighting.
get with the times, the only martial arts I know is Glock 40 and Mossberg 590