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Title: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Ujin on January 06, 2012, 01:55:31 am
What happened ?

We used to have so many decent maps which were very detailed or looked interesting or were very well balanced. City clusterfun maps/open fields/ mix of both . Now 90% of the time it's a random village while the rest 10 % is occasional custom maps or random plains (and some of RP maps are full of climbing hills).

I don't have any personal preferences when it comes to open field maps/city maps etc, i like all kinds of maps as long as the rotation is balanced and doesn't just puke out all the villages we have in Strat.

As far as i remember back in the days one of the admins (or more, Leiknir was one i think) was specifically responsible for map rotations , does anyone work on it now ? Either way, in my opinon it can be changed for the better.

But then again, this may be my subjective point of view and everything is fine. What is your opinion , people ?
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: karasu on January 06, 2012, 01:56:51 am
Personally, too many random plain maps, and not enough custom maps, I love mustikki's maps.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Shagrath Mork on January 06, 2012, 01:57:24 am
+1

I'd love more plains (NOT hills, PLAINS dammit...) because they kind of enforce teamplay and the old decent maps we used to have....



EDIT:

Quote from: karasu on January 06, 2012, 01:56:51 am
Personally, too many random plain maps, and not enough custom maps, I love mustikki's maps.
Too many? I barely see any :(
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Lobster on January 06, 2012, 02:00:31 am
to much roof camping and hill camping. more custom map.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: RandomDude on January 06, 2012, 02:14:34 am
I prefer open random field/plains map.

Sick of village/roof camp
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Tot. on January 06, 2012, 02:18:54 am
Way too many random village maps.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: BlackMilk on January 06, 2012, 02:20:18 am
its even worse on siege
the same 7 or 8 maps over and over and it has been like that for atleast 6 months now. Please add some of the old, way more awesome Siege maps that used to be in the rotation 1 year ago
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: karasu on January 06, 2012, 02:24:53 am
Quote from: BlackMilk on January 06, 2012, 02:20:18 am
its even worse on siege
the same 7 or 8 maps over and over and it has been like that for atleast 6 months now. Please add some of the old, way more awesome Siege maps that used to be in the rotation 1 year ago

Where's the +100 button.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Thomek on January 06, 2012, 02:24:58 am
Yes, too many village maps.. (although they are not random..)

Also, random plains can be great or terrible depending on how random.
IMO if it is possible to influence the parameters creating them it should be like this for random plains:

10% really superflat maps  (This can be fun believe it or not)
60% flattish but slightly hilly maps   (Provides some cover in forests etc)
20% moar hilly maps (Good hills, bit campy but not excessive)
10% mountainous (Very campy maps)

Also the size should not often go to large.. that's just too large, especially when it is few players.
Medium size should be max I'd say.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Christo on January 06, 2012, 02:36:57 am
One map related comment:

Whoever made the "Swadian city under siege" or whatever map..

Also, villages suck, great open field maps rule.

If someone will go "lol hiding behind a shieldwall is lame and boring then wait for flags", he is a ranged elitist douchebag, who is secretly bragging about not being able to abuse roof hugging during one map out of all the typical village-roofhug maps.

And mostly, never played during the old days, when there were actual shield wall clashes that were almost oscar worthy, in a scale of epicness. Everyone had his own role, even archers, yes.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: justme on January 06, 2012, 02:45:05 am
i would love to see in rotation more then 30 maps that are active on eu1.. i know there are more then 100
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: karasu on January 06, 2012, 02:47:42 am
Quote from: Christo on January 06, 2012, 02:36:57 am
One map related comment:

Whoever made the "Swadian city under siege" or whatever map..

Also, villages suck, great open field maps rule.

If someone will go "lol hiding behind a shieldwall is lame and boring then wait for flags", he is a ranged elitist douchebag, who is secretly bragging about not being able to abuse roof hugging during one map out of all the typical village-roofhug maps.

And mostly, never played during the old days, when there were actual shield wall clashes that were almost oscar worthy, in a scale of epicness. Everyone had his own role, even archers, yes.

Mustikki, thats why I mentioned him.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Christo on January 06, 2012, 02:48:41 am
Ah, kay.

Anything, just no more Native villages with weird spawns.

Please.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Inkompetent on January 06, 2012, 03:37:28 am
I don't mind plains-maps. Those random hill-maps though.... YUCK! Disgusting!

There really are NO worse maps than when both teams have a friggin mountain to start on, with a valley in between.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Lizard_man on January 06, 2012, 03:39:42 am
Quote from: karasu on January 06, 2012, 01:56:51 am
too many random plain maps

Say what, i don't think there is enough random plains, it's just village after village after village, and not only that, it's the same god damn villages everyday, how many maps we got in rotation, 7 ?
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Radament on January 06, 2012, 03:47:25 am
problem 1 ->  Roof Camping
solution -> put invisible barriers ar remove static ladders

problem 2 -> not enough custom maps
solution -> there's plenty of them , just download them and put them in rotation removing all the other shitmaps.
or make a poll to choose the favourite maps like some admin did with the na server.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on January 06, 2012, 11:29:11 am
Totally agree with Ujin and Blackmilk on first page.
I really miss some of the townmaps or other custom maps (where is the cool caravan ambush map or the one with forest and cliff, where people tended to suicide jump when they were last 2vs15? )
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Torben on January 06, 2012, 11:40:42 am
ya!  what christo said.  and all the others. 
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on January 06, 2012, 11:43:24 am
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if only people had better rigs ;/

oh and the first one had invisible walls to deal with roof campers
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 06, 2012, 11:47:31 am
why is this shit still not in there?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21896.0.html
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Torben on January 06, 2012, 11:47:47 am
how could i forget to mention your great maps!?
ill help ya with that tho.
Quote from: Chagan_Arslan on January 06, 2012, 11:43:24 am
oh and the first one had invisible walls to deal with roof campers

and dont forget the second one:  the only map where u can hide an army in the bushes and slay passerbys without them ever to know what hit em : )
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: TucKMuncK on January 06, 2012, 11:48:42 am
Riot in swadia castle is awesome :P

Another map I miss is the cave map. You died in hell flames if you fell down from the battle area ;D. It was great fun
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Remy on January 06, 2012, 11:56:15 am
More map variation would be nice.  :D
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Tzar on January 06, 2012, 12:28:24 pm
If ladders where removed it wouldnt be soo annoying playing 24/7 village maps like we do now.

To what Ujin said yes i also miss the old custom maps be it giant city´s or caravan under attack ect ec.... we had some reallly worked out custom maps dunno why we dont play em anymore..

Maybe archers had their way with QMD an simply just killed any map where they cant put a ladder and become immune to melee..

Just a wild guess...  :?
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Gisbert_of_Thuringia on January 06, 2012, 12:56:15 pm
tzar, these maps vanished before qmd was introduced :rolleyes:

And stop saying that all archers are roofcamping bundle of stickss. There are also archers who prefer not standing on a roof. I for myself only go onto a roof when there are about 10-15 horses on the other team
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Inkompetent on January 06, 2012, 01:05:32 pm
I'm with Gisbert. I prefer having my feet on the ground, or on very reachable roofs. If a teammate intentionally destroys the ladder to a roof I'm on I am inclined to TK said teammate, but due to being so darn polite I just jump down while cursing at him for being a twat.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Overdriven on January 06, 2012, 01:46:16 pm
I'd like to see some custom plains maps put in. Not the shitty random plains which produces gigantic hills half the time. But some custom made ones would be nice.

The village maps are truly awful. There are only a handful of good ones that I can remember. Most are surrounded by hills/on a hill, have to many campable roofs and are just an excuse to run blindly at each other and hope your team prevails. I honestly don't know why there are so many in rotation.

QUALITY over QUANTITY please. There are near 100 maps in the rotation right? 50 of which are village maps. 11 custom maps. That's not really very many. I'd argue to remove a huge number of the village maps and start putting in some better custom maps.

For reference on current rotation:
Quote from: Punisher on August 25, 2011, 12:21:23 pm
Made some changes to the rotation, here is the current one:

It's much shorter, containing the  50 rebalanced native villages that are ready + 9 native battle maps + 11 custom maps. The only maps repeating are random plains, ruins and field by the river, they each appear 4 times in the rotation.
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This contains the current rotation...but without the numbers  :P
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14424.0.html
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Lizard_man on January 06, 2012, 01:49:22 pm
I wonder how often the server maps are reset, with all those maps you'd think you would see something different everyday, but it's not the case, MORE PLAINS... :evil:
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Overdriven on January 06, 2012, 01:52:41 pm
Quote from: Lizard_man on January 06, 2012, 01:49:22 pm
I wonder how often the server maps are reset, with all those maps you'd think you would see something different everyday, but it's not the case, MORE PLAINS... :evil:

Plains appear 4 times in that second updated rotation  :(
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Gurnisson on January 06, 2012, 01:52:55 pm
Quote from: Chagan_Arslan on January 06, 2012, 11:43:24 am
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Yes, we need to get back the maps that totally screwed fps. :|
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on January 06, 2012, 02:27:41 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on January 06, 2012, 01:52:55 pm
Yes, we need to get back the maps that totally screwed fps. :|

thats why i said i wish people had better rigs ;/ but than again i did tests on 100 vs 100 bots and had around 30fps there
and i think the river delta one wouldnt have problems with fps if people would turn the fast sprites for water in options

but yeah you need to make map small and simple so that low end rigs can handle it ;p
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: bonekuukkeli on January 06, 2012, 02:30:07 pm
I "almost" like as it is. I don't see roofcamping problem in other maps, but in flat desert village maps only where cav is able to sweep easily behind corners and ranged is forced to climb up to safe spot. Not many ranged have reaction time fast enough to shoot horse that suddently rushes from corner and in 1 second it's gone already behind next house. What else can you do? Infantry is rushing mindlessly around area and no-one is standing with ranged with pikes.

So... if you take away ladders, it would be huge boost-lol-easyplay for cav. That's when whine starts again.

And I personally hate random plains, it's just free kills for cav again. Playerbase isn't prepared for good teamwork and now that teams are switching every round it's even worse. Other side is camping and in my team half is running around map with few ninja-minded players thinking they can kill everyone (but they don't) and when enemy actually charges, there's only few left keeping shieldwall up.

I have been playing both melee and ranged during my bunch of gens and my last gen was light armoured agi build with stick. Even then... I didn't see archers as problem, not horses. It was maps that allowed cav to do safe sweeping and that forced players up in roofs and whining started once again. Now I'm playing ranged and there really isn't other option in most maps than pick that hill or roof. Cav can rush half of map before I can reload my xbow, so without teamwork there's nothing else to do than pick safe place.

Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Mustikki on January 06, 2012, 02:33:08 pm
IIRC there is 109 maps in map route, most of them (too many) is village maps.

I have started planning couple new maps now.
2 of them takes place in a city.
1 in a forest.

Up/down voting results goes to logs, but none looks them.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Teeth on January 06, 2012, 03:04:14 pm
Quote from: Mustikki on January 06, 2012, 02:33:08 pm
Up/down voting results goes to logs, but none looks them.
This, they need to look at these votes and act accordingly. Get the scene editing alive again, by quickly putting in custom maps, and taking them out as soon as they get downvoted and keeping them in if they get upvoted. They need to filter out the shitty maps and actually do something with the good scenes the community provides.
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: dynamike on January 06, 2012, 03:07:17 pm
All I can say is ATS Map Pack.

There are over 100 maps in there, most of them custom with a good variety of open, bridge, city etc. maps that were running on the NA servers before we had the the official servers. We dug out the map pack and handed it over to the devs/admins, but I have yet to see a lot of the maps in the rotation.

Granted, not all of the maps are gems and some favor one class or another, but it is through the variety of maps that this should be balanced out. Not every map has to cater to all classes equally.

Here is one of the threads about the topic:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,20267.0.html
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Ujin on January 06, 2012, 03:45:39 pm
Yeah, i also miss the maps from NA servers, some of those were hella fun.


Anyways, looks like Jacko is now responsible for the map lists. Can't wait for changes  !
Title: Re: Lack of fun/interesting maps on the official battle servers (EU)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 06, 2012, 03:46:28 pm
City maps isnt even a choice in this poll, thats how rare they are. Personally i enjoy the game the most during city maps because infantry has the biggest advantage (for once) and doesnt have to worry about archers and cav as much because it is a pretty small map. When i say city maps i mean maps like nord village and such, where there are pretty much no open fields.