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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Other => Topic started by: agile on December 22, 2011, 09:15:32 pm

Title: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 22, 2011, 09:15:32 pm
Hello, I was on battle and Ricky, the leader of LoC started team wounding me and my teammate n spawn. Here are some screenshots:

*Notice my health, its below half and im not even out of spawn yet!*

http://i44.tinypic.com/alj406.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/rqxjb4.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/23tniw.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/ak90ms.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/59oh3.jpg

I believe he should be banned longer than the usual ban is, I believe this is his second offense, as he was banned before.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21769.0.html



Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Tydeus on December 22, 2011, 09:25:39 pm
So you're still in spawn over a minute after the round starts, you're completely naked and all you have is a hammer? It looks like he got mad at you for leeching, then started teamwounding.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: AreTreble on December 22, 2011, 09:44:44 pm
He is a naked peasant, but I don't think that means people should TW him. 

It is annoying to take damage from punches, but you can easily avoid the dmg by putting your hands up to block or perhaps moving?

This thread is a bit of a whine-thread.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 22, 2011, 09:57:51 pm
I just retired and im level 12.....

So treble, you think I should just block and not report any of this? How is this a whine thread when I'm trying to report someone who was blatantly team wounding me in spawn??
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 22, 2011, 10:03:18 pm
So you're still in spawn over a minute after the round starts, you're completely naked and all you have is a hammer? It looks like he got mad at you for leeching, then started teamwounding.

Having a weapon and being nude doesn't constitute leeching. Otherwise, we'd ban a hell of a lot more players.

In addition, the pictures are in reverse order. Rickey was TWing him for 1 minute.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Tydeus on December 23, 2011, 02:07:36 am
Having a weapon and being nude doesn't constitute leeching. Otherwise, we'd ban a hell of a lot more players.

In addition, the pictures are in reverse order. Rickey was TWing him for 1 minute.
I never said he was leeching, but I did imply that people don't start teamwounding and punching one or two guys spontaneously. Therefore, the punching most likely started because he thought you were leeching.

Now don't get your panties in a bunch here, read what I have actually stated. I'm not saying teamwounding is acceptable and I'm not saying you were in fact leeching, but considering the situation, I don't believe any action should be taken here.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 23, 2011, 02:25:30 am
I never said he was leeching, but I did imply that people don't start teamwounding and punching one or two guys spontaneously. Therefore, the punching most likely started because he thought you were leeching.

Now don't get your panties in a bunch here, read what I have actually stated. I'm not saying teamwounding is acceptable and I'm not saying you were in fact leeching, but considering the situation, I don't believe any action should be taken here.

Hmm....I think you aren't enforcing game rules.

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No intentional teamwounding/teamkilling during a round

Clear evidence of it, and you are just saying No action taken for twing. In pictures rickey also punches and attacks the other guy 2. Clear rule breaking.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Voso on December 23, 2011, 02:58:21 am
Yeaahh.. It wasn't just Agile shown being attacked here. Also, he wasn't only punching/kicking people.

In this picture he posted he actually swung his weapon at that guy, granted it was blocked, with the combination of the rest of these screenshots it certainly seems as if he went a bit loco.
(click to show/hide)

This is a clear display of TW.. I am not so certain there should be a ban/he should get an extended ban for repeat offense, but there is clearly evidence of TWing.

Also, I believe TKing/TWing leechers is still against the rules.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Tydeus on December 23, 2011, 03:13:43 am
How about throwing some common sense in here. For teamwounding (especially by punching and neither victim dying), he would only receive a warning to begin with(assuming an admin was in the server but didn't directly see it). Yet you want to get him banned for something that he did in one(1) round? Call me crazy, but I thought bans weren't supposed to be used for minor infractions.

You're wanting me to ban someone for a single, minor infraction, based on only one side of the story?

I could have locked this thread but I chose to leave it open so that other administrators could weigh in. Yet why haven't they? My guess would be, based on how fast these things normally get handled, that they don't think anything should be done. You don't just ban someone for a minor infraction, especially when you try to take his perspective into account.

No administrator was on and he most likely thought of Agile as leeching. Obviously he shouldn't have taken things into his own hands and started TWing, if he thought you were leeching he should have taken a screen shot and made a thread here like you.

My point is, if Agile was truly participating to his fullest capabilities, I doubt that this situation would have played out anything like it did. Spawning naked and with a useless weapon like a hammer, is one of those things that is borderline leeching. We've had a discussion about it in the admin thread for example:
3. Seriously... someone is considered not leeching if they spawn naked with just rocks or a long dagger? This is patently absurd to me. The point of the rule of spawning with a weapon is to encourage people to contribute to the battle and not leech, but I feel like the spirit of this rule has been lost.
3. Leeching can be pretty difficult to gauge sometimes, the lines are really blurred. I just try to remember that at the end of the day, active leeching(as opposed to just being afk) is almost entirely harmless. As long as there's some sort of participation, what's the harm in it, really?

In this picture he posted he actually swung his weapon at that guy, granted it was blocked, with the combination of the rest of these screenshots it certainly seems as if he went a bit loco.
(click to show/hide)

This is a clear display of TW.. I am not so certain there should be a ban/he should get an extended ban for repeat offense, but there is clearly evidence of TWing.

Also, I believe TKing/TWing leechers is still against the rules.
Are you guys really suggesting that I never stated he was, in fact, teamwounding?
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 23, 2011, 03:27:55 am
As one of the screenshots has the timer at 6:37 only about 20 seconds has passed the round, so its not likely he thought I was leeching.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: ArysOakheart on December 23, 2011, 03:30:33 am
In one of the pictures Ricky was also caught trying to team wound another player, who apparently wasn't leeching, and wasn't naked. Ricky isn't  "new" any longer either, so he knows to not team wound but did it regardless. This is why I believe he should either receive a stern warning or a one day ban.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: AreTreble on December 23, 2011, 03:31:42 am
I hate team wounders and if I were admin I'd ban intentional TW'ing on sight. However, in this specific case... a naked peasant with just a hammer getting punched doesn't equate to a ban, def a warning then kick though. Pretty douchy of him to punch a peasant though. Tough call.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 23, 2011, 03:34:00 am
Like Arys said he also was trying to swing his weapon at my teammate that blocked it. As I providing a link above he has also had a previous ban. I believe action should be taken.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Tydeus on December 23, 2011, 03:56:50 am
And sadly, because the swing was blocked, you can't really conclude that his intention was to teamkill, let alone actually hit the guy. He probably had his swing held until the guy brought up his block. What I do know though, is that were ricky out to actually kill him with his melee weapon, he could have easily done it, but he didn't. Yadda yadda innocent until proven guilty, benefit of the doubt yadda yadda.

I sent him a warning via PM on the forums. I'm pretty sure this is the first time a retroactive warning has been issued for something in game. Anything more and you'll have to somehow find an admin that would actually believe he deserves a more severe punishment (most likely not going to happen. I mean, this thread has been up for how many hours now?).

Edit: I assumed that, that wasn't your first round spawning without armor and with only a hammer, so the round timer thing is a moot point. He probably thought you were leeching both due to your equipment as well as previous round behavior.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: EddyMcK on December 23, 2011, 04:59:47 am
Admins are corrupt and pick favorites, you're not a favorite

too bad
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: JihadistMexican on December 23, 2011, 05:03:22 am
I have multiple steam screenshots of Ricky and LoC tking also. Thanks for posting this up and I hope he gets banned.

Also I think we need multiple admins to decide upon this ban request because there might be some favoring going on/ going easy on him because he leads a clan.

The screens of tking/twing also occur over multiple rounds. You can ask the admin of Lost Legion server for further proof of this. He kicked some LoC members for tking/twing and there are logs of them trolling/crying/calling each other "cunts" etc.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 23, 2011, 05:13:04 am
Mind posting those screenshots up?
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: JihadistMexican on December 23, 2011, 05:15:08 am
Mind posting those screenshots up?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438146888 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438146888)

http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438160949 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438160949)

http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438171690 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438171690)

( LoC members TKing while Ricky is in server, no telling them to stop )

http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438179009 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438179009)

( More LoC TKing )

Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: JihadistMexican on December 23, 2011, 05:21:18 am
http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438185655 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438185655)

LoC intentionally trampling teammate ( some random guy who did nothing )

http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438194795 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438194795)

http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438203166 (http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/648748815438203166)

Admin telling LoC to stop

(LoC later kicked for TKing/TWing )
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: MrShine on December 23, 2011, 05:23:21 am
Tydeus, I don't see why this is any different from any other situation.

The general rule is: If you are team wounded, you don't retaliate because you are supposed to play by the game rules.  Players are not allowed vigilante justice.

Regardless of whether or not Agile was leeching (and based on a lot of these rounds they looked early and it is very unlikely) Ricky should never intentionally team wound.  That has never been an acceptable response, and I don't see why it should be relevant now.

I say this with no problems with Ricky in general, and obviously Agile is a clan member so I might a bit biased there.  Still, rules are rules and this seems like a pretty black and white scenario.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 23, 2011, 05:27:39 am
JihadistMexican try to get Ricky banned

Post pictures from a non official server
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: BADPLAYERold on December 23, 2011, 05:31:10 am
JihadistMexican, those screenshots are all well and good but considering you are a noted member of the game "CrimeCraft" I doubt we can trust you.
Criminals are noted fraudsters.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/595822798131354801/
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Tydeus on December 23, 2011, 05:36:56 am
Those screenshots aren't of the Official server, if they were, I'd ban him immediately. I'm currently trying to figure out of I can even do that due to the fact that it's not on an Official crpg server. I'd assume that no one would object, but I'd rather not overstep my boundaries. My guess is that he will end up being banned due to the recent screen shots by JihadistMexican.

Tydeus, I don't see why this is any different from any other situation.
I never said it was, nor did I act like it was somehow different. He teamwounded in one round, not to mention it was only with fists. I've never heard of anyone being banned for a single incident of teamwounding(Where it wasn't blatantly obvious that the intent was to kill the victim), so I don't see how you could say I've acted any differently than what any other admins or even, what I myself have done in the past.

The general rule is: If you are team wounded, you don't retaliate because you are supposed to play by the game rules.  Players are not allowed vigilante justice.
The point I was trying to make, was never about Ricky's vigilante justice, it was that Agile isn't guiltless.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: JihadistMexican on December 23, 2011, 06:49:42 am
JihadistMexican, those screenshots are all well and good but considering you are a noted member of the game "CrimeCraft" I doubt we can trust you.
Criminals are noted fraudsters.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/delta35721/screenshot/595822798131354801/

LOL. yes that is true. btw that pic was a joke for my friend who lent me his account :D

And oprah by your english, you are saying post pics from an un official server implying those pics ARE in an official one. Therefore making my screenshots more important.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 23, 2011, 06:00:51 pm
Why was my thread moved to other? Jihad's screenshots are from a non offical server, but mine are from NA_1, which is an offical server. I think he was just trying to prove that Ricky is a known team wounder/tker and action should be taken.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: JihadistMexican on December 23, 2011, 09:26:33 pm
Can the admins give a reason for this being moved to other?
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: agile on December 24, 2011, 08:16:09 am
any admins want to respond to this?
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Braeden on December 24, 2011, 05:35:00 pm
Tydeus examined the initial screenshots without finding sufficient evidence to ban.
Moved to other to accommodate the new screenshots rather than just locking the thread.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: JihadistMexican on December 24, 2011, 10:53:08 pm
So your basically saying he's not going to get banned.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: ArysOakheart on December 25, 2011, 01:14:02 am
He's saying Ricky got his warning, and if he is caught doing it again, they won't pull this stuff again, so go get new evidence.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Aldogalus on April 07, 2012, 07:48:01 am
I would just like to say that this is complete horse hockey! How many times are we going to let this little twerp grief before he gets permabanned?? He broke the rules, plain as day, and noone is doing anything about it. If Ricky needs to stay unbanned so that he can manage his clan, then perhaps he should consider not breaking the rules so often. I happened to be reading the ban threads because a clanmate of mine was complaining that Ricky was griefing him, and when said clanmate retaliated, Ricky threatened to ban. It's the same thing every time with this kid! Maybe he is too thick headed to
Ever learn. Personally I think the admins should find out just how dull he is. I suggest a 3 year ban, maybe by age17 he won't be such a little prick.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Rainbow on April 24, 2012, 11:54:34 pm
This is a no brainer Ban.  If I had just retired, I would not be a happy camper with people punching me at spawn.  I don't care what weapon is in my hands.  I play this game to have fun and my team punching me half to death is not my idea of fun.  The rule clearly states that intentional team wounding is against the rules and this is clearly being infringed upon.  I see people using those little hammers all the time and surprisingly they are usually pretty damned good at blocking and keeping a person or two busy long enough to be effective.  Kills, well they don't get a lot but they are a GREAT distraction.  Punching that person half to death limits his abilities to help the team which also limits the game experience.  Rules are erected for purpose and when we start trying to redraw the lines of order, chaos breaks out.  Follow the god damned rules and now eat your fucking medicine.  I vote ban.
Title: Re: {BAN} Knight_Lord_ricky_777_LoC
Post by: Niemand on April 27, 2012, 12:20:23 am
Heyo. As an admin of an unofficial EU-server, I have to state something.

If somebody Teamattacks intentionally, I send the evidence to the admin. Because unofficial Servers are there for the Community to enjoy the cRPG-Mod. People that teamwound, leech, insult (heavy insults, I don't care about a rage-insult like "you fuckin cunt backstabbed me! go die in a hayshack!". But racism and stuff is not okay.) are killing the mood of the game. Even if it only happens on an inofficial server it drags down the whole community. If he gets banned from this server only he will simply join another and go on doing his shit there.

Especially if the guy was actually penalized, he should have learned from that... and he goes on breaking the rules (and evidence is clearly given)  so he didnt learn from it and should be removed again. Guys, a one day ban is not the world, so why not giving the community that favor and seeing it as a warning for the "evildoer"?

If the admins dont enforce the rules properly, who should we believe in? why are they admins then?


Btw: I got people banned because I found them in the logs of my server - using QML to get X5 and leech there then. This is quite less moodkilling than teamwounding. And also happened on an inofficial server.

Its the duty of a player/an inofficial serveradmin to report such stuff. And the duty of a official admin to react to the reports. but here is kinda no reaction. :(


PS: Sorry, I should not talk here, I wasnt on the Server, I do not play on NA.
Just had to give out my opinion and tell you how it works on EU. Maybe you guys are able to connect somehow and get some ideas.