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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Tomas on December 15, 2011, 04:00:06 pm

Title: Strat Suggestion - Houses
Post by: Tomas on December 15, 2011, 04:00:06 pm

The suggestion is pretty simple but requires 5 initial changes to Strat to work

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1) Anybody with 0 troops and 0 crates should be invisible to everybody else on the Strat Map
2) Crafting as it is now is removed from the game and replaced with the main house building idea below
3) If you own the fief you can conscript troops on the spot.  However house crafting efficiencies are dependent on fief pop % so it will hinder crafting
4) Visiting Fees are removed and trade tax rates are limited to 50% and take 1 week to come into effect after they are changed.
5) You can only sell goods in Towns

So on to the idea itself :D  - Allow people to build ther own house in either a Village or Town

Building a House in a Village does the following

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- Removes your char from the Strat Map
- Adds 5 to the max pop of the village
- Generates 1 Good per hour for free.  This rate is then multiplied by the fief population % which is used as the efficiency.
- Automatically uploads those goods to the village marketplace at a price that you set and can change
- Protects you from being kicked from the village and hides your name from anybody outside your clan
- Gaurantees you roster priority for the defence of the village if it is still neutral
- Automatically transfers all your gold to your cRPG main

Bulding a House in a Town does the following

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- Removes your char from the Strat Map.
- Adds 5 to the max pop of the Town.
- Allows you to craft equipment for free with an efficiency% equal to your crafting skill multiplied by 100 and divided by the item's base Strat price.  So Axe crafting (15 base price) with a skill of 30 = 200% efficiency = 48 per day = 672 gold per day if sold for 14 gold.   Plated Charger crafting (2624 base price) with a skill of 30 = 1.14% efficiency = 0.3 per day = 750 gold per day if sold for 2500 gold.
- Automatically uploads your equipment to the Town Marketplace at a price that you set and can change
- Protects you from being kicked from the Town and hides your name from anybody outside your clan.
- Gaurantees you roster priority for the defence of the Town if it is still neutral.
- Automatically transfers all your gold to your cRPG main

Further notes to avoid exploits

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- You must have 0 troops and 0 equipment/goods in order to build your house
- You can sell your house whenever you want but it takes 24 hours.
- If you sell your house there is a further 1 week cooldown before you can rebuild in the same place or elsewhere

The impact of this idea

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- First of all anybody and everybody will effectively be able to join a mini clan by building a house in a neutral village or Town
- Building a house means you support a local economy open to all instead of just your own clan.  This lessens the gap between the smallest and largest clans and grinders are universally accessible to all.
- People that aren't particularly interested in Strat can use it to make cRPG money for their main if they build a house.
- If a lot of people build in the same place it will increase recruitment capacity and give the village/town extra tickets.  But it will also increase competition and therefore lower prices.
- Fief Owners will have to carefully consider their tax rates, as if they are too high they will drive out the crafters as they will be the ones paying the tax when a trader buys their goods.  Driving out crafters will reduce the fiefs recruiting rate and also the number of troops that can be conscripted.
- Crafters that do get driven out will be able to move freely around the map without being seen so that they can re-home
- The invisible chars will also open up the possibility of spying in Strat but you pay for it as the spy cannot be productive for their clan.
- With less people visible on the Strat map their will be far less characters running around and therefore far fewer pointless battles.
- If you go on holiday you can build a house and know that your char is safe, and is making you money.
- For equipment crafters, it doesn't really matter what you make, it is your skill that matters.  Again though, if too many people craft the same stuff then prices will be driven down

Further possibilities

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- House improvements.  Use cRPG gold to make your house better in Strat either with real benefits or just e-peen benefits
- Fief democracy - voting to hand your fief over to a Strat Char
- Fief Democracy - voting in a Village Elder or Town Mayor that has certain powers that i've yet to think of :D

Title: Re: Strat Suggestion - Houses
Post by: Dehitay on December 15, 2011, 06:46:06 pm

Quote from: Tomas on December 15, 2011, 04:00:06 pm

The suggestion is pretty simple but requires 5 initial changes to Strat to work
1) Anybody with 0 troops and 0 crates should be invisible to everybody else on the Strat Map
2) Crafting as it is now is removed from the game and replaced with the main house building idea below
3) Recruiting is changed so that recruitment rates are based on population and when you recruit troops you actually take them out of the population of the fief.  If you own the fief you can conscript troops on the spot.
4) Visiting Fees are removed and trade tax rates are limited to 50% and take 1 week to come into effect after they are changed.
5) You can only sell goods in Towns

None of these are necessary. Actually, I wouldn't want any of them to come into effect along with houses. The first one voids the ability to get rid of spies and people who are wasting efficiency in a fief. The second is incredibly vague, but if I understand it right, it would destroy the economy by adding a massive progression nerf in addition to chadz's multiple speed and gold nerfs. The third would make taking over fiefs childsplay. The fourth removes the ability to scare off people from coming into a fief and ruining efficiency. The fifth is another progression nerf to make a slow Strat even slower.

The houses themselves though are a good idea. It would make sense that house owners don't have to pay a visiting fee and add to the population. However, I think there should be a means for fief owners to either evict house owners, take a percentage of their profits/production, or just make things unbearable for them.

Title: Re: Strat Suggestion - Houses
Post by: Tomas on December 15, 2011, 08:58:34 pm

Quote from: Dehitay on December 15, 2011, 06:46:06 pm

None of these are necessary. Actually, I wouldn't want any of them to come into effect along with houses. The first one voids the ability to get rid of spies and people who are wasting efficiency in a fief. The second is incredibly vague, but if I understand it right, it would destroy the economy by adding a massive progression nerf in addition to chadz's multiple speed and gold nerfs. The third would make taking over fiefs childsplay. The fourth removes the ability to scare off people from coming into a fief and ruining efficiency. The fifth is another progression nerf to make a slow Strat even slower.

The houses themselves though are a good idea. It would make sense that house owners don't have to pay a visiting fee and add to the population. However, I think there should be a means for fief owners to either evict house owners, take a percentage of their profits/production, or just make things unbearable for them.

There is no crafting efficiency loss due to lots of people being in a fief anymore so your arguments against 1) and 4) are not valid.  Also there's no need to scare off people making houses, as the more you have the higher your fief tickets, the better your potential recruiting and the more you can make in tax.  If you really want to do it then raise taxes to the max and take half the gold they make.  That will soon move people out. 

Not sure what you mean by a massive progression nerf for 2).  Crafting is still there but is house based so that instead of there being clan crafters that give to their clan and get nothing in return, there are individual crafters that sell to everybody.  If you want to stop someone buying the goods/equipment, then wait until they have bought it and then stomp them in a battle or raid.

3) I see what you mean with 3 - so agree that can be left out with the current recruiting efficiency system being kept but I would leave in the conscription option for fief owners as if they do it their crafters will suffer and may leave.  I'll alter the OP

5) Is just something that fits with the overall theme.  Craft goods in a village, sell them in a Town.  Not sure how it slows anything down, you can still travel across the entire map to sell in the furthest possible town from where you bought the goods.  However it also puts more importance on Towns as you can make a lot of money by owning one and taxing the goods sales there

Title: Re: Strat Suggestion - Houses
Post by: Tomas on December 16, 2011, 02:23:11 pm

I've lowered the equipment crafting rates in the OP to make them more reasonable.  Bear in mind that skill can go beyond 30 and at 30 skill you will be able to make 500-1000 gold per day if you make an item and then undercut the normal buying price slightly.  Looms meanwhile can potentially make you a lot of cash as they can't be bought normally and so can be sold for much higher prices.  The numbers used can be changed anyway but I just want to give an idea of approx figures.  The Strat -> cRPG gold conversion rate might need changing though.

For comparison a goods crafter selling at 20 gold will make 480 gold.

A further idea could be to link Town Buying Prices for goods to the number of equipment crafters in the Town.  Buying Price = 10 + #_of_houses_in_town.  That would mean that if you sell goods in a Town with 25 houses you will get 35 gold (multiplied by the distance bonus) for your goods.  I need to think about this bit some more though