I can't believe people actually think the old system was better.
Tincan fest and gear/level crutching? No thanks.
It wasnt always a Tincan fest.
A few months before the upkeep patch it was just awesome.
And with a few little tweaks, old cRPG could have been way better than the new one(As I stated a few posts above).
I can't believe people actually think the old system was better.Thats why chadz should rehost the old version on a server. To get everybody's nostalgia glasses off.
I cant believe People actually think it wasn´t better.
Classic cRPG with tweaks.
Meaning Ways to make Plate more unattractive to wear all the time(Severe movement disadvantages or something).
And everything upped in Price by 50%(Weapons and armors)
Riding back to 1 per 5 Agi
Leveling back to the old System, but Softcap at 30 like now.
And stuff like that.
I'll give you a "perhaps"Awesome.Im gonna sniff on it and rub my dick against it so I come.
Yeah, that's simply your highly subjective opinion, it still does not make it true.
Pros of the old system : Throwing weapons flew where you pointed them, sort of. They were inaccurate as all hell, but they didn't drop in the dust infront of your target, 20 yards away. No upkeep.
Cons of the old system : All plate, all the time. Blobs of people having to be on top of each other to get xp/gold ; and people that actually used tactics such as : flanking, skirmishing, scouting, cavalry got absolutely nothing, even if they gave their team the win. All plate, all the time. Pre-upkeep, post retirement patch, people having 250 wpf at level 1, allowing them to stack strength and still have all the wpf they needed. All plate, all the time.
chadz was proposing having a couple servers with the old website doing old cRPG with no patches/updates
Old.Also staffcouch.
One thing, that counts for more than all the item balancing, upkeep, and every other change made.
Horseback staffswing.
chadz was proposing having a couple servers with the old website doing old cRPG with no patches/updates for people who pay
FYI.
Yeah, that's simply your highly subjective opinion, it still does not make it true.
the log maul was a pole hammer and looked like a stick with a rock on the end of it lolI remember it being called a boulder on a stick. I loved that simplistic name, especially cause that was exactly what it was. Just a stick with a huge rock tied to it with a few ropes.
I remember it being called a boulder on a stick. I loved that simplistic name, especially cause that was exactly what it was. Just a stick with a huge rock tied to it with a few ropes.
Thats the worst difference between old and new cRPG. Things were more relaxed and funny. Ridiculous item names, ladderpulting and trolling. It was just a funny game.
WHY SO SERIOUS?
Remember the looney toon axe? :D (Or whatever it was called)
I remember it being called a boulder on a stick. I loved that simplistic name, especially cause that was exactly what it was. Just a stick with a huge rock tied to it with a few ropes.*Sarcasm* Sure thing, friend, building one's own fun on another's pain is completely enjoyable for all of us back in the good old days, eh?
Thats the worst difference between old and new cRPG. Things were more relaxed and funny. Ridiculous item names, ladderpulting and trolling. It was just a funny game.
WHY SO SERIOUS?
*Sarcasm* Sure thing, friend, building one's own fun on another's pain is completely enjoyable for all of us back in the good old days, eh?
Casual players like me couldn't earn enough money for anything back then, not to mention any ladders to troll around. The ping on EU made me unable to learn manual block, not to mention I couldn't even down/up block forks. (Seeing Merc_Fedor dressed up as a peasant with a pair of heavy gauntlets being able to manual block and kill a tincan was quite a sight, though)
Things weren't as balanced back then, as well, all I remember was after a month with 200ping and having 1:100 k:d, I quitted.
WHY SO SERIOUS ? :(It's not being serious, friend, it's called rage :mrgreen:
Casual players like me couldn't earn enough money for anything back then
How come I had Full Transitional Set with Vaegir war mask, steel shield, long espada, heavy lance and a Destrier with Gen2 and lvl 30 again like a month or two before Upkeep patch then?And what would be your definition of a casual player?
I was a Casual Player back at that time.Ping was good mostly on EU and such, too, only problem was if there were 200 or more people.I only started to block decently about two months before upkeep patch with practising on Duel servers.Back then when almost nobody feinted or used all those fancy tactics like hiltslashing, just plain old Strike and block games for Minutes, going on and on.
It wasnt hard to save up money at all in classic cRPG.It just took time.
There's a whole thread about this already.
archers/xbower had to be closer to the front where melee was fighting so it was easier to catch and kill them especially with your 9-10 athletics ninja shielder
Hey i think that was me ! actually in the end i had 12 athletics i was pushing it to see if the rumors that beyond 10 you would get a increase in running :D
i used to flank in the old system and still got a great share of the xp and slaughtered thousands of archers !
good times when archers tried to run... but couldn't
actually in those times archers were real men and fought back :lol:
Maaannn ya'll dun remember the REAL classic days... Warband Beta was the Golden Days
Too fucking bad we're talking about cRPG and not Shitband.
when i started playing crpg it was the old one it was so much fun
now i just play because i am addicted thats it
And what would be your definition of a casual player?
classic was epic and that's why i got addicted to this game... and now i have been thinking of leaving ....
To be honest, it was the hard work getting exp and gold and items what I loved mostthis
These polls always end with "new" winning. Accept that shit, son.
These polls always end with "new" winning. Accept that shit, son.
Denying reality won't actually change it, you know. You can make all the baseless assumptions you like about voting trends, but the fact of the results remains constant.
And if a server with old database was in the game the other servers would lose almost half of their population, your point?
My point is that a certain proportion of the population will always resist change -- any change. As long as a clear majority approves of the changes made, chances are the mod is headed roughly in the right direction. The nostalgia-goggled whiners can just go suck an egg.
How comes there seems to be more whine now than back in old cRPG?:D
Old cRPG sucked. All we have is just a bunch of people basking in nostalgia and longing for their overpowered characters.
cRPG is still hell of a lot of fun as it is, and I honestly prefer how it is now.
My point is that a certain proportion of the population will always resist change -- any change. As long as a clear majority approves of the changes made, chances are the mod is headed roughly in the right direction. The nostalgia-goggled whiners can just go suck an egg.
But by that measure - new cRPG is what people are used to so the 60% is resisting a change to include another older version that many never had the chance to experience and I would love a new change where everyone is a peasant again and you dont become a level 30 lord with all the gear you want in 2 days. It would be very new because it would have the updates up to the point it was discontinued even though many of those changes happened while people were becoming OP. I am just glad 40% of this community appreciates change.
Personally I love change and would appreciate having 1-2 servers with the old cRPG in place instead of only the current version of cRPG. I would actually play again - i am down to 1-2 hours of cRPG in a week, if that. I could see myself playing cRPG primarily again on servers using the old cRPG system and I know a dozen people off-hand who are similarly situated where they hardly play or dont play at all, but would come back to play old cRPG.
devs, cant you see our tears?
The nostalgia-goggled whiners can just go suck an egg.
New people coming in are rarely able to replace friends who've left due to dissatisfaction, IMO.
New people coming in are rarely able to replace friends who've left due to dissatisfaction, IMO.
Maaannn ya'll dun remember the REAL classic days... Warband Beta was the Golden Daysindeed
I can't believe people actually think the old system was better.
I can't believe people actually think the old system was better.
Many of you shouldn't be posting about classic cRPG lawl.
Many of you shouldn't be posting about classic cRPG lawl.
Ugh... there is far more plate people in new cRPG...too true.
I'm sure half of you will be back when every single person is in plate like it used to be. The rest will be back when every single person is also a horse archer with a plated horse, like it was heading before the upkeep patch.
Yeah, I think the old cRPG was more fun than this one when everybody was still fairly low level and modestly equipped, but the "endgame" of the old cRPG was vastly inferior to the current cRPG.
old crpg=fun new crpg=lessfunThats true
in new crpg i am gen 16 5 mw items and 237k gold but still old one is way more fun for me
This reminds me of a silly effort to keep counter strike 1.5 alive when WON(cdkey auth) servers were shut off and steam just came out with cs 1.6. Sure people played it but in the end they just had to move on.
I suspect you are right, after all I personally love the older versions, however I severely doubt a lot of the current players share my sentiment.check the poll results before 'a lot of players etc..'
People often feel the need to move forward with the current version when it comes to games and mods, possibly there is a sense that this is the 'legitimate' version and any others would be twisting the game somehow.
Or else they like the current patch of course. Anyhow I imagine it might wither and die, but I wish it wouldnt.
Y'know Ratigan, I just plain see almost all those points in the exact opposite way. I think the mean armor level was way higher toward the end of old cRPG than it is now. Of course, the heirlooming of armor only became massively widespread afterward, so that's probably why one might see it differently. Now that everyone knows how good armor heirlooms are, it will be even worse. And as for personal experience, I found doing well without heavy armor is easier now than then. I use a padded jack and a good one hander and do pretty well. Back in the day, there'd be no way I could stand to use such a setup with all the armored horses with plated knights on them. I suppose there could also be some discrepancy due to the Europe/NA divide. We have some pretty obsessed people. Then again, you guys had plate a long time before us, so who knows.meh I never used heavy armor ...
Anyway, I may play the old cRPG for a bit while it's still young and awesome, but I know how it ends and will not be looking forward to it.
meh I never used heavy armor ...
it ends with the whingers nerfing everything
Well a lot of things needed to be nerfed! 200+ proficiency, 105 speed katanas that you needed 10 ping to even see start a swing were one of them! Crushthrough weapons with 30 strength that couldn't be interrupted because of their speed and crushed almost every time were another. Archers...it only goes to 104 the katana after 1 retire, sorry :P
There's just a lot of bullcrap I'd rather not live through again, and everybody knows about them beforehand this time around, so I'm skeptical about this whole thing.
Atm classic crpg is almost unplayable as the all the new crpg archer are creaming themselves at how easy it was back then. Maybe better armour and a shield would make it better but its not fun right now.
it only goes to 104 the katana after 1 retire, sorry :P
I was talking about how they used to be - base 103 speed with +3 speed and damage at the first heirloom. Which is 106, come to think of it. Pretty nasty.I would like that.
This.
I'll swing by when you all finallylevel upgrind and get real crap to defend yourselves with, otherwise I don't see the point in performing mass murder when I can do the same in strategus... Also, I'm still waiting for this tale of "Tears trust me, being a peasant is so much more fun!" I'm watching, waiting, looking, observing... I don't see it. You mean more people are low level and with no gear and thus you can have more peasant fights? Great, another start-of-strategus flashback...
New cRPG for me. I can see the appeal for others, but for me old cRPG is simply not my cup of tea.
"Classic" is good because it made me appreciate New CRPG more.
The difference between the old and the new is that I used to play without plate or any high end equipment in the old version and still performed extremely well, in the new version if I want to do well I am basically forced to play a certain way with certain equipment that is effective. It's true if you play with silly weak weapons it will be harder, but at least if you were good enough you could still do so in the older versions.
This current version does away with all that, if you arent at least wearing medium armour and a nice heirloomed poleaxe/big 2 hander sword you are a waste in melee. As for ranged, that is a different matter entirely which I wont get into because I dont want to make a big post longer.
You still have the choice in this current version, but it is an illusion of a choice, afterall if you make something so bad that it isnt even worth considering then it can barely be called a choice at all can it?
I know the balance of old cRPG is terrible, but as I "always" said, when the game is fun and unserious, balance is but a minor problem. New cRPG is like over 9000+ other online arcade (read: no grinding) games, all about a super serious skill contest. Old cRPG was unique in the sense that it mixed a very skill-based gameplay (even with 10+ level differences, a duel ends up with the best player winning), MMO-like grinding (addictive) and an overall fun and trolly atmosphere.
I know the balance of old cRPG is terrible, but as I "always" said, when the game is fun and unserious, balance is but a minor problem. New cRPG is like over 9000+ other online arcade (read: no grinding) games, all about a super serious skill contest. Old cRPG was unique in the sense that it mixed a very skill-based gameplay (even with 10+ level differences, a duel ends up with the best player winning), MMO-like grinding (addictive) and an overall fun and trolly atmosphere.
The "super serious" part is more of a player issue, especially noticeable in strat.
But I don't think you have the same perspective as me on these things.
As a new player, the fact that skill was the major decider of the outcome of a (melee) battle was what allowed me to quickly get into the game, and get good at it. If I had never had the chance of duelling against some of the best players on a roughly equal playing field, but would have been forced to always play in the shadow of the sick grinders then I would have never been able to develop, get into a clan and do all the stuff that is *fun* for me in this game.(click to show/hide)
But skill always remains the most important factor.false.
IMO the only reason to play the old cRPG for real is because you do not like an equal playing field.
check the poll results before 'a lot of players etc..'
It's sitting at 40% prefer classic coke, warts and all. The other 60% had no clue how to play a peasant anyway, and would rather play a more cerebral (i.e. tailored for slow thinkers) game like chess :P
I kind of wish that the new crpg was a lot more like the old one in that:
The gold rate needs to me 10-20% it is now, so that you actually have to save up to get good gear, but the upkeep should also be 10-20% of what it is now.
Same exact thing, just it takes a bit longer to get the fancy equipment like in old crpg. When I played that I remember saving up for days to buy studded undercoat and thinking that hey, now I actually count on the battlefield.
Old cRPG sounds like whoever plays the most gets to play the game like single-player Warband; riding around fully armored with a 120+ length sword on a horse mindlessly swinging at enemies who have no chance of hitting or hurting you as everyone else bunches into a herd.Sigh.. and this sounds like the uninformed opinion of someone who has not tried it.
But skill always remains the most important factor.false.
I like how Kesh the now level 35 archer and no doubt the single most OP char in the old days -1's every single pro-new/anti-old c-rpg post...
I like how Kesh the now level 35 archer and no doubt the single most OP char in the old days -1's every single pro-new/anti-old c-rpg post...
That sounds all well and good. Did you think of what would happen if that would be implemented right now? I'd be sitting around with all my high-tier items while anyone who's starting gets some change thrown at them every once and a while, oh, and I pay less taxes.
Just my opinion. Funny, how this is such a fucking subjective thing--what game you prefer--and yet copious quantities of mentally deficient people persist in treating the subject as if their personal preference stands as a pillar of objective truth.
This.Yes, claim how awesome you would be, then not show up. Wanker.
I'll swing by when you all finallylevel upgrind and get real crap to defend yourselves with, otherwise I don't see the point in performing mass murder when I can do the same in strategus... Also, I'm still waiting for this tale of "Tears trust me, being a peasant is so much more fun!" I'm watching, waiting, looking, observing... I don't see it. You mean more people are low level and with no gear and thus you can have more peasant fights? Great, another start-of-strategus flashback...
New cRPG for me. I can see the appeal for others, but for me old cRPG is simply not my cup of tea.
Yes, claim how awesome you would be, then not show up. Wanker.
Atm classic crpg is almost unplayable as the all the new crpg archer are creaming themselves at how easy it was back then. Maybe better armour and a shield would make it better but its not fun right now.
Even the worst archer will do fine when nobody can afford any shields or armour. Strategus kind of proved that low level gold favours archery more then other classes.People are dropping shields for others at spawn. Don't bring strat which has no bearing on this into it you straw grabber.
People are dropping shields for others at spawn. Don't bring strat which has no bearing on this into it you straw grabber.