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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Matey on December 04, 2011, 07:49:32 pm

Title: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Matey on December 04, 2011, 07:49:32 pm
In Strat 1.0 every battle had full rosters because the xp was so good that any diplomatic ramifications were ignored in favour of xp... so how about this.. when you are fighting for an AI fief you get the equivalent of a 6x or better multiplier as well as the bonus xp for people dying and equipment and so on. This will accomplish a few things...
 1. people will be a lot more eager to sign up for neutral fiefs.
 2. only those who really want the attacker to succeed are likely to sign for the attacker. and
 3. normally the defenders get bored an kamikaze due to lack of organization or caring... but with this system, the longer the battle lasts the more xp the defenders get... the attackers have no incentive to prolong the battle, but the defenders do, and the best defenses are usually the ones with the patience to stick together and hold the village rather than running around and getting killed. 

this means that there will be a lot more incentive to not only fight for the AI, but to fight well and coordinate your efforts.
as for villages paying gold... i really dont think it matters... strat gold only matters to the people who invest time in strat, but the xp matters to everyone who plays crpg, so youll get a ton more people who are interested in signing up for neutral faction which might get them into strat a bit more in general, even though xp for signing up with factions isnt great.


p.s. it is slightly abusable in the sense that a faction could "take one for the community" and launch a 1/3 attack against a fief and then just camp while everyone gets xp... but since there will be so many people wanting to participate, it seems there is about a 99.999999999999% chance that an admin or at least someone who is not friendly towards that clan will attend and perhaps a peasant counter attack will hit the offending clan as the peasants would become so cocky after defending their village so easily... or a dark force could take retribution.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Keshian on December 04, 2011, 07:56:36 pm
Great fucking idea, I remember all that sexy xp of strat 1.0.  If you didnt hire me, i was definitely mercing for other side.  This would also make people actually pay strategus gold to get mercs or else have full rosters of good players against them and empty rosters on their side.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Tristan on December 04, 2011, 08:13:20 pm
Only x6 for defending neutral fiefs. Else it will be exploited.

But: if Neutral_village_defending then x6 is all good.

Then people will also understand that you sign up for neutrals because of XP, not becuase you hate the attacker.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Camaris on December 04, 2011, 08:17:07 pm
I do like this idea.
Cant see any drawback.
Every player can get this xp so its fair.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: SquishMitten on December 04, 2011, 08:59:51 pm
I do like this idea.
Cant see any drawback.
Every player can get this xp so its fair.

+1
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Jarlek on December 04, 2011, 09:40:01 pm
I do like this idea.
Cant see any drawback.
Every player can get this xp so its fair.
+1

... and IF there is an abuse and people do it... A dark force appears?
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Moncho on December 04, 2011, 09:45:15 pm
+1

... and IF there is an abuse and people do it... A dark force appears?
Call the BanHammer?
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Jarlek on December 04, 2011, 11:12:33 pm
Call the BanHammer?
...A dark force appears?
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Moncho on December 04, 2011, 11:18:20 pm

There is no more holy weapon than that, dont you dare call it dark! (maybe donkeyish)
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Jarlek on December 04, 2011, 11:44:00 pm
There is no more holy weapon than that, dont you dare call it dark! (maybe equus africanus asinusish)
THIS is the attack of A Dark Force
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLxHJY0lQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjR2m33duNA


Yeah, it's the devs attacking Fallen for abusing a glitch. Screw the banhammer. This is AWESOME :D

Edit: Here's a thread about it.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21452.msg307972.html#msg307972
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Slamz on December 05, 2011, 12:12:31 am
I do think something like this should be implemented before people start taking castles and towns for free.

Really I think you stand good odds of capturing a castle right now with few troops.  The first few attacks will meet novelty resistance and after that it will be like villages today: 8 defenders show up and get immediately overwhelmed and all the flags knocked down.

x6 XP bonus would definitely get people checking that battle list looking for a neutral holding to defend.


It would also be nice if the AI could do roster checks every 15 minutes instead of every hour.  Or if there's a way to trigger a check 1 minute before the battle, do that.  It would be easier to rally people on the main servers to come play strat if we didn't have to do it 2 hours in advance to guarantee they got into the fight.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Dehitay on December 05, 2011, 12:47:46 am
+1

This is an excellent idea and nobody seems to be against it. Therefore, I am willing to wager 10K that no dev responds to it.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Moncho on December 05, 2011, 12:50:36 am
+1

This is an excellent idea and nobody seems to be against it. Therefore, I am willing to wager 10K that no dev responds to it.
Ill wager 10k that a dev will come and troll you, wait, i said that, so he will come and troll me by not posting, wait, he will just do whatever he wants but they will not implement it.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: dado on December 05, 2011, 01:51:10 am
In Strat 1.0 every battle had full rosters because the xp was so good that any diplomatic ramifications were ignored in favour of xp... so how about this.. when you are fighting for an AI fief you get the equivalent of a 6x or better multiplier as well as the bonus xp for people dying and equipment and so on. This will accomplish a few things...
 1. people will be a lot more eager to sign up for neutral fiefs.
 2. only those who really want the attacker to succeed are likely to sign for the attacker. and
 3. normally the defenders get bored an kamikaze due to lack of organization or caring... but with this system, the longer the battle lasts the more xp the defenders get... the attackers have no incentive to prolong the battle, but the defenders do, and the best defenses are usually the ones with the patience to stick together and hold the village rather than running around and getting killed. 

this means that there will be a lot more incentive to not only fight for the AI, but to fight well and coordinate your efforts.
as for villages paying gold... i really dont think it matters... strat gold only matters to the people who invest time in strat, but the xp matters to everyone who plays crpg, so youll get a ton more people who are interested in signing up for neutral faction which might get them into strat a bit more in general, even though xp for signing up with factions isnt great.


p.s. it is slightly abusable in the sense that a faction could "take one for the community" and launch a 1/3 attack against a fief and then just camp while everyone gets xp... but since there will be so many people wanting to participate, it seems there is about a 99.999999999999% chance that an admin or at least someone who is not friendly towards that clan will attend and perhaps a peasant counter attack will hit the offending clan as the peasants would become so cocky after defending their village so easily... or a dark force could take retribution.
so many good ideas, but no one cares...  :|
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on December 05, 2011, 07:36:37 am
Do it!
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Vibe on December 05, 2011, 07:57:29 am
Defending AI villages should give a lot more xp, the solution is very simple.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Dach on December 05, 2011, 08:02:23 am
+1
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Segd on December 05, 2011, 08:25:05 am
Like it.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Harpag on December 05, 2011, 10:35:33 am
The simplest solutions usually work best, but still nobody listens to us ... Of course +1
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: kura on December 06, 2011, 08:53:52 am
In 1.0 its worked excellent stimulate and yes water was waterer,sky was skier,grass was grasser...
Those who do not like this idea, consider that it is a necessary crutch.
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: PieParadox on December 07, 2011, 04:47:43 am
Maybe a 6x is too much? How about a multiplier that increases every set time interval, like 3 minutes?

Not sure if my idea would be much different though.

Could also add a bonus for winning the batle
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Valdian on December 08, 2011, 02:26:01 am
Seems like a Good Idea to me it would incourage more clanless ppl to fight against you in battles as well instead of always  your enimys
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Overdriven on December 08, 2011, 03:22:47 am
+1
Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: Taser on December 08, 2011, 08:41:32 am
I hate this idea and it sucks monkey balls. Therefore it should NOT be implemented at all!!

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Title: Re: Suggestion that would promote people to sign for AI
Post by: dodnet on December 08, 2011, 09:43:11 am
Do it! I got around 5200 XP for the battle yesterday which lasted 30-40 minutes. For the XP it's really not worth it. And you don't get any money too.