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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Digglez on December 02, 2011, 03:21:01 am
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Speed reduction was overdone on this.
Its great that theres now another option for blunt users besides Warhammer to use, but seriously 94 speed on a 1h'er?
Military hammer was already the slowest 1h and one of the LEAST USED WEAPONS and now you take it down 2 more to be slower than a Studded Warclub (more reach, more speed, more weight).
Balance team, did you expect people to want to use this taking it down 2 more speed? 96 speed was already pretty much a deathwish for 1h user, but now noone is going to use this weapon.
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idk man it makes sense considering it has 80 length. the longest 1-h mace in the game.
i think i might start using it off horseback now
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idk man it makes sense considering it has 80 length. the longest 1-h mace in the game.
i think i might start using it off horseback now
yes, its justified that due to it being a both a blunt weapon and the longest 1h blunt that it is slow, but it was already the slowest...now your going to make it even slower? You pretty much cant even land a hit on anyone thats half decent at blocking its so slow.
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lol. I never really saw anyone use this but myself, but then I got 15 str and now I use the warhammer, so it's all good.
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I bought one from the market after the new model came out luckily for me i managed to quickly sell it again.
Its simply too slow to use against an aware opponent.
You cant feint with it... your enemy can go to the toilet take a shit an comeback an block your swing before your hit lands.
96 speed might help i dunno tbh..
Atm its useless
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the problem with it is that it is now much longer then the other hammers.
If its to fast people wont use anything else in the blunt area. Why should anyone chose
Warhammer if its 96 again? 1 Speed or 15 length????
I think its ok. it got 10+ length and lost 2 speed. If you dont like it use Iberian Mace
or Warhammer.
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the problem with it is that it is now much longer then the other hammers.
If its to fast people wont use anything else in the blunt area. Why should anyone chose
Warhammer if its 96 again? 1 Speed or 15 length????
I think its ok. it got 10+ length and lost 2 speed. If you dont like it use Iberian Mace
or Warhammer.
What you're failing to realize is that it was a pretty bad weapon to BEFORE (96spd 70reach) they changed it..now even though its gained reach, its still not attractive at all. Like Tzar said, 94 speed for a 1her is eternity.
Seriously compared to Iberian mace, MH gains .2 weight & 9 reach at the cost of 3 speed? Doesnt sound like a very good deal to me, which is why you'll continue to see a great looking weapon go unused
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I'm using this weapon and it's awesome. Alt mode has +1 speed. Tzar sucks.
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I'm using this weapon and it's awesome. Alt mode has +1 speed. Tzar sucks.
What does the alt mode do, aside from giving +1 speed?
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Lowered pierce damage.
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Ahh. If it's lowered a lot then I doubt it's worth it. But 80 reach blunt 1h is awesome anyways.
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idk man it makes sense considering it has 80 length. the longest 1-h mace in the game.
i think i might start using it off horseback now
Longest? What about Goedendag?
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Longest? What about Goedendag?
Duh 2h? They are talking about 1h weapons.
Also OP comparing the 1h hammer with a 2h aka weapon held with 2 hands not 1 won't make your points better.
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Isnt Goedendag 1h/2h anymore?
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Not sure it was before but you must be really new or dumb to use it with a shield to fight.
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It gets -30% damage and speed when used in 1h+shield mode AFAIK, so yeah..
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Still, its longer.
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Is it just me or does the new model for this thing look a lot longer than 80 length? More like 95 or something.
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I tested it. It's allright, the lenght makes up easily for the low speed. Left-to-right-spam doesn't work, but changing between blunt and pierce is nice.
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Isnt pierce just the silly little brother off blunt?
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Its actually the bigger brother since pierce does more damage to armor than blunt.
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not to mention the new model looks god awful
terrible texturing looks like original mount and blade shit
ugh
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Its actually the bigger brother since pierce does more damage to armor than blunt.
Wroooong!
Edit: Guess we're both somewhat right
armor_soak_factor_against_cut = 0.65
armor_soak_factor_against_pierce = 0.5
armor_soak_factor_against_blunt = 0.4
armor_reduction_factor_against_cut = 1.6
armor_reduction_factor_against_pierce = 1.1
armor_reduction_factor_against_blunt = 1.3
Armour soaks the least damage with blunt, but pierce ignores more of the armour value. Can someone explain which is better against armour, pierce or blunt?
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Guess they are the gay incest brothers then or something
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Pierce deals a little more on plated people (Test it with vargas damage calculator) but it's roughly 1-5 more damage depending on the PS and speed bonus of course.
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I've been playing around with the hammer, and I feel that the extra length definitely compensates for the lower speed. It's nice to have an 80 length can-opener.
It's not really a dueling weapon, but it works quite well in battle and siege.
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I watched Saulcanner wreck everyone on NA siege with this manhammer yesterday. I also tried it on a STF alt and had a lot of fun. Then again, I even enjoy the Morningstar with a shield.
Slow 1h is a totally different style; you have to play offensively, but in a support role (charge in and land a hit on someone while they are attacking a teammate). If you get attacked, turtle up until you see an opening or a teammate helps you.
Just because a playstyle is crappy for duels doesn't mean you can't be devastating in Siege or Battle just by being aware of your surroundings.
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94 isn't that slow. You don't really need to change playstyle for it, it's not a greatsword-great maul jump in speed.
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94 isn't that slow. You don't really need to change playstyle for it, it's not a greatsword-great maul jump in speed.
ya except a greatsword is 40 longer (120 longer on a thrust attack) and greatmaul cant be parried
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ya except a greatsword is 40 longer (120 longer on a thrust attack) and greatmaul cant be parried
The sky is blue at day and black at night. Still, I don't see how any of this has to do with speed of the weapons.
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Tried it a bit with STF, seems to work OK.
Not the best weapon out there, but not all can be.
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Played with it a bit, both in duel and battle. Awesome weapon.
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Been using it a bit myself. Don't see any problems with it.
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Been using it a bit myself. Don't see any problems with it.
It was just the OMG speed<99 derp reaction of people who can't perform with any weapon other than the left-to-right-spamitar.
It's actually a very well balanced weapon, the devs did a good job for once...
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I've seen more and more people using this weapon with success.
What is funny is that you say a weapon needs a speed of 96+ to be valid?
My experience is, that if you use a low wpf build (hybrid or hight str), it is your timing that matters anyway, hence weapon speed is of less importance and length a much greater help.