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Strategus => Strategus Issues => Topic started by: kinngrimm on December 01, 2011, 10:09:31 am
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In 3 days, besides stalling and and awsome wrath of god, we experienced 2 server crashes through technical problems.
first battle against
Occitan_SHinOCk(300) vs RubiconCrossed_BRD(376)
110 shown in the k/d stats and estemated 140-160 tickets left including those who were still alife
Occitan with low tear gear and BRD with slightly better gear in terms of armor and some nice gear in terms of weapons.
the fucked up battle after the restart
<09:10:12>"arowaine": Occitan_SHinOCk vs RubiconCrossed_BRD - Hide Details
- Battle time: 30.11., 03:47
- Battle duration: 01m40s
- Army size: 300 vs 376
- Battle result: 291 vs 375
- Winner: Defender
second battle crash
2608 Occitan commanded by Occitan_Arowaine
vs.
2378 Fallen Brigade defending Dusturil
in first the 10 min, many weren't able to spawn with gear at all and needed to rejoin
myself had a Huscarl but no weapon ... died in vane by punshing a dude in the face.
at the time of the crash, we took half the spawn flags
and around
2300 Occitan vs. 2100 Fallen were left
overall we lost 3 days through all what happened there worth in gold for 3k+ troops upkeep around 10k gold
now my suggestions whatever is easier to be done:
version 1:
calculate out of the dustruil battle the numbers in troops and gear
version 2:
give 2x the stuff what Fallen had through the fucked up first server crash to the forces of Occitan.
Reason: this is a though village, every troop and equipment counts on defenders sight just more then on attackers site.
in any case, through 3 days delay, 10k gold on Occitan to be able to resupply.
Now on a personal note:
I noticed that only because of this people are close to loosing it.
I liked the wrath of aladin, to give the community the sign, bad things may happen to you if you go against common sense rule. But when then over and over kind of the same stuff happens people get more and more suspicious and bad blood is been spread. So i ask all players guys stay calm, let chadz handle it and remember it is only a game.
@Desert Alliance
yes we may have taken disadvantages because of this, loosing momentum in a tactical wargame, ... not good.
Are we because of it not able to reach our goals, dunno, strat as i experienced from 2.0 and also already from 3.0 is constantly shifting, Fortuna gives it Fortuna takes it .. she's a bitch.
And also for me it is not only about killing all enemies but enjoying the company of this community(even if not all enjoy mine :twisted: )
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FYI.
Lose only has on "o" in it.
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TLDR
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Ahh kinngrimm, how biased can you be with the proposals. Give our stuff to Occitan just because the village is hard to conquer?
If they want to conquer our village, they just have to do it on their own, walking up those hills against the arrow rain. In here, it simply doesn't matter if you have capped half our flags or not, the attacker spawn is so far away that when you die in the village and walk back, defenders would have just re-raised them.
I think the best thing that can be done now is just leave the situation as it is with the equipments that are left. Then we can just re-initialize the battle when server is less buggy.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Kinngrim
braindamaged biased little fuck
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Ahh kinngrimm, how biased can you be with the proposals. Give our stuff to Occitan just because the village is hard to conquer?
If they want to conquer our village, they just have to do it on their own, walking up those hills against the arrow rain. In here, it simply doesn't matter if you have capped half our flags or not, the attacker spawn is so far away that when you die in the village and walk back, defenders would have just re-raised them.
I think the best thing that can be done now is just leave the situation as it is with the equipments that are left. Then we can just re-initialize the battle when server is less buggy.
I didnt say transfer, also i suggested different possibilites and also mentionend that there are possibilities where i dint thought of. Am i biased sure, are you? Well i guess at least as much. But yes a resceduled match would be ok too, but when we are still at dustruil in a week from now with the 10th server crash i don't think that would be fun, not the point anyways.. Point is there are reasons we had to do this battle here in the first place with these numbers. If you would be unbiased you would perhaps suggest to make the battle like 3k vs 1300+300 population, before the accidental lock of the own village happened.
@Vibe
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Kinngrim
braindamaged biased little fuck
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I agree on the crashes, they spoil the fun. That's why I said it should get rescheduled until the server is less laggy / devs fix whatevers wrong with it now. In an ideal world, strat would be paused and we could just continue from the same situation a week from now when the problems are fixed.
Also, of course I am biased towards my clan. I love the Fallen Brigade.
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The only thing I would support would be chadz awarding BOTH SIDES with enough Strategus gold to account for the upkeep paid for those troops. 2000 troops = 184 gold per hour or 4422 gold per day (if held by a player). It's not really fair that both sides are having to pay fairly large amounts of upkeep for troops that by all rights should have been mostly dead by now.
Your other suggestions are ridiculous. You basically want to punish Fallen and reward yourself for a server crash, which makes no sense.
Clearly there are still big issues with strat battles. Spawning without equipment and the server crash are big ones that they need to deal with but I think it's safe to say nobody is causing these crashes. I was playing on the Fallen side and was in their vent when it crashed. The feeling was we were doing quite well at the time the server went down as they had killed quite a bit more tickets than they had lost. Knocking down outlying spawn flags doesn't do much for you, since it only takes 2 seconds to prop them back up, and you were not overrunning the central village. If anything, knocking down the outlying flags just makes people spawn in the middle, when you should probably just leave the outlying flags up and camp them!
(I tell people to manually set their respawn location to one of the central flags anyway but you might still catch some who didn't do it.)
Anyway, yes, strategus is badly in need of some critical fixes. I'm sure they are well aware at this point.
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I agree on the crashes, they spoil the fun. That's why I said it should get rescheduled until the server is less laggy / devs fix whatevers wrong with it now. In an ideal world, strat would be paused and we could just continue from the same situation a week from now when the problems are fixed.
Also, of course I am biased towards my clan. I love the Fallen Brigade.
Spoiling the fun ... you have no idear. But i would not only include the reference to the server crashes which spoils.
Having seen how the first crash was fixed and that thereby unbalance was created and not removed afterwards but taken into the second battle, where then the attackers actually did a pretty good job when i think of that other clans had at the very same village their problems when it was AI village, this achievement then neglected through crash, getting crap then about it in irc and the forum up to the point of organized forum abuse (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21560.msg309841.html#msg309841). An admitted use of locking own village as means for getting reinforced, against the commen sence rule.
It is not like without the lock those reinforcements would have found a Fallen village anymore, who would then had to fight an uphill battle?
You love Fallen fair enough, but this is not about Fallen only.
edited:reference link
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now my suggestions whatever is easier to be done:
version 1:
calculate out of the dustruil battle the numbers in troops and gear
version 2:
give 2x the stuff what Fallen had through the fucked up first server crash to the forces of Occitan.
Reason: this is a though village, every troop and equipment counts on defenders sight just more then on attackers site.
These two versions are shitty. Just Give back the gold for upkeep to both sides and fix the server crashes.
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Version 2:
give 2x the stuff what Fallen had through the fucked up first server crash to the forces of Occitan.
Reason: this is a though village, every troop and equipment counts on defenders sight just more then on attackers site.
Priceless.
If we follow this, fallen should have a bonus for taking it in first place...
and remember it is only a game.
that's all we should remember
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first battle against
Occitan_SHinOCk(300) vs RubiconCrossed_BRD(376)
110 shown in the k/d stats and estemated 140-160 tickets left including those who were still alife
Occitan with low tear gear and BRD with slightly better gear in terms of armor and some nice gear in terms of weapons.
the fucked up battle after the restart
<09:10:12>"arowaine": Occitan_SHinOCk vs RubiconCrossed_BRD - Hide Details
- Battle time: 30.11., 03:47
- Battle duration: 01m40s
- Army size: 300 vs 376
- Battle result: 291 vs 375
- Winner: Defender
I love how Occ/Hosp and now wolves keep referencing this battle. Before the server crashed we destroyed the army they had and they were down to 0 tickets and only 4 players left. was about a 2.5-1 KD for us. We were perfectly fine with the result. Then the crash. We came back when it was back up to fight again. very few attackers came back.
We capped flags battle won. We would have much rathered the result from the first before server crash. Nothing we can do about it and stop the crying. The tears are about to cause a flood.
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I don't get where the notion of 'cheating/lying/deceiving/taking unfair advantages' falls in the category of "It is just a game" - If someone (not naming names since we're Switzerland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ9)) does cheat, lie and what not to "achieve" something in a game, that clearly means this person takes it very seriously and more than most. If you didn't care - like a baws - you'd take it like it all like a man.
Silly reality TV mentality... (Oh I don't know this person so it's OK to be a complete liar and fake person)...
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If you didn't care - like a baws - you'd take it like it all like a man.
Not sure who you're refering to, but we took our punishment very well, I doubt anyone from the Brigade is mad because we got punished for locking down that fief (except Mike, he's always mad because he's german), we all agree we deserved that.
It's actually Hospitaller/Occitan and Kingrim now apparently who can't stop whining about every single crap that happens in strat
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Just general referral 8-) It applies to way more than 1 group/persons..
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Just general referral 8-) It applies to way more than 1 group/persons..
I hate this switzerland shit, it is boring, start accusing people so we can have more forum war (fun)
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server crashes have shown glaring frailty of the strategus battle scheduling system...basically 0 contingencies for server going down
only fair thing I can think of is reschedule the fight 48h later and award both sides with money to cover troop upkeep.
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It would be nice, but I'm highly doubtful, that there is anything built in that would allow the server to keep track of equipment/troops, etc as the battle happens, that way if the server crashes it can come back up with basically where it left off. And the battles should be rescheduled for 24 or 48 hours later, waiting for the server to come back online and everyone being forced to wait around for an hour or two with their fingers crossed isn't a good solution.
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The first battle yes FCC would of won anyways in the end they were about to win but the reset shouldent of been done yet or there should of been a warning a hr before hand to muster a force. it was reset 3 hrs after the battle and everyone was angry and went to bed exept a few of us. the occitan battle should be set to 7 47 eastern the time it was attacked, Fallen used another exploit to change the time before the attack forcing a late battle for Eastern players.
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how the hell does 1 hour keep turning into 3? it was 1 hour after the server crash that it came back up. ONE HOUR. not 3.
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Add to that both teams had equal notice. Fcc even tried to rally occ/hosp. I believe due diligence has been seen here.
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Fallen used another exploit to change the time before the attack forcing a late battle for Eastern players.
Someone mind elaborating in proper detail? I am curious what i missed this time.
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Someone mind elaborating in proper detail? I am curious what i missed this time.
Night time system. People refuse to believe that we have EU members since we're in NA territory. Global clans don't exist and we're a hoax
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The first battle yes FCC would of won anyways in the end they were about to win but the reset shouldent of been done yet or there should of been a warning a hr before hand to muster a force. it was reset 3 hrs after the battle and everyone was angry and went to bed exept a few of us. the occitan battle should be set to 7 47 eastern the time it was attacked, Fallen used another exploit to change the time before the attack forcing a late battle for Eastern players.
Using the night-time feature isn't an exploit. And the server was reset ~15 minutes after the server crashed [not 3 hours]; everyone was notified via IRC and people tried to contact Occitan via teamspeak and steam. But your teamspeak was passworded and no one would respond on steam.
Personally I would have much rather had the first outcome, as we destroyed all your troops and took almost no casualties. We also had looted about 30 masterworked horn bows. The battle ended with 4 occitan running around with 0 troops left, versus 214 troops on our side with everyone alive, so we would have ended with around 250 troops left.
We could have camped your spawn the second time, since 4 players showed up on your side after we had started capping your flags. We could easily had killed all your troops AND taken all of your gear. We opted to just force you to retreat and got almost nothing for it.
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EDIT: Nvm.
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I don't really get your second reason there Kinn... Why should they get free equipment? Like Gheritash said, by your logic we should get some bonus for taking that village aswell. And I think it was Occitian's decision to attack this infamous (lol) village. We broke the rules by delaying the attack and we got punished. I don't see what's not clear on this.
And about the upkeeps. Occitian suffered from quite a lot of extra upkeep, that much is true.
First the exploit. And we got punished for that, so that's the end of it.
Secondly "The dark force" attack, this postponed the "Real" attack quite a lot, and caused extra upkeep for Occitian. Devs deserve a slap in tha face for it. Occitian AND Fallens should get back their gold and troops lost for upkeep. This also gave both sides a chance to reinforce, so I think we're even.
And now the server crash. I'll quote myself Occitian AND Fallens should get back their gold and troops lost for upkeep. This also gave both sides a chance to reinforce, so I think we're even.