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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Native_ATS on November 28, 2011, 08:21:13 pm
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Who picks this maps? why is every map balls? Theirs like 100 maps and 90 of them blow.
Please can we end the gay maps?
who is on the task to set up this maps?
why do they fail so much?
Thoughts?
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Biased poll is biased, third option should be a neutral vote not a second negative.
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Biased poll is biased, third option should be a neutral vote not a second negative.
Not biase, look at the numbers, this maps are shit and you a bad admin to do nothing about it
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Not biase, look at the numbers, this maps are shit and you a bad admin to do nothing about it
How much influence and power do you think I have? I'm starting to think that the average NA player has the wrong idea about what I can or am supposed to do...
Besides, the poll (and numbers) clearly demonstrates an overwhelming approval rating of the current maps.
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On a real note, trolling aside.
This maps are really bad, it seem the maps are set to random.
It would be really nice if we can weed down the maps form 100 bad maps to a few that the people like.
I understand the need for maps to have even ground for every class. I was an admin and i did make a few maps. Thus i know it takes time but it seem like if none of the people form the Na group are going to fix the bad maps. Thats why I am posting here, to bring more light to the problem
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Shik is crappy admin, thats why theres shitty maps. A good admin would be constantly seeking community feedback on maps & rotation and adjusting it, at the very least on a monthly basis. Notice how siege server kept going lower and lower population until now its hardly even played on? Shik has less than like 5 forum posts in the past 3 months, completely out of touch with the game hes supposedly an admin for.
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Notice how siege server kept going lower and lower population until now its hardly even played on?
This is the biggest problem that I see. Siege died when ATS stopped maintaining their server because nobody had been maintaining the NA server in ages.
Surely someone would be willing to properly maintain maps and could be granted access to do so? (Shame the OP made such a worthlessly worded poll though. Would be easier to support his case with a serious poll. Although right now, only 16.7% of people have picked that they like the maps.)
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i think Admin is anti cav... There is no balance.
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same problem on eu,all maps are shitty,except a few balanced maps everyone likes,I want back good old maps :(
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Yup, EU maps suck arse, nothing but village maps, MORE PLAINS...
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the maps are bad, and they should be cropped by a group of people willing to do it
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Im so happy when wild random plain map appears,they are so fucking fun,shield walls,cav charges and other teamwork-ish stuff
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I for one love playing village maps surrounded by massive fucking hills mountains
lol, NOT
voted 4
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I don't really understand what you are saying here Native.
Is it the village maps you hate?
Is it the mountain maps you hate?
Is it the Mountain Village maps you hate?
Is it the few random plains maps near the end of the rotation you hate?
Is it the few Native maps (like ruins) that you hate?
If it's the village maps, the mountain maps, and the mountain village maps you hate, I'm in complete agreement with you.
If it's the random plains maps and native maps you hate, I have to emphatically disagree with you.
I'm actually impressed that Tears had the balls to even give us random plains maps in the rotation, because I still remember the bad ol' days of ats map rotation. It was 15 city maps balanced out by 5 cave/tunnel maps. I don't ever want to see that shit again. I remember when we had to beg and plead to see one map with out a building to put ladders on, or one that wasn't specifically made to cater to infantry and only infantry.
+1 to Tears for giving us at least a few random maps, and promoting balance and team-play.
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Tears is a tyrannical map dictator.
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I'm actually impressed that Tears had the balls to even give us random plains maps in the rotation, because I still remember the bad ol' days of ats map rotation. It was 15 city maps balanced out by 5 cave/tunnel maps. I don't ever want to see that shit again. I remember when we had to beg and plead to see one map with out a building to put ladders on, or one that wasn't specifically made to cater to infantry and only infantry.
+1 to Tears for giving us at least a few random maps, and promoting balance and team-play.
Thank you kindly.
Tears is a tyrannical map dictator.
Shush you! Go back to the other side of the pond!
I can only work so fast, if Shik was not so busy and could help me more often *pointed look* then I could update more often. Please be patient!
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Shush you! Go back to the other side of the pond!
« Last Edit: Today at 23:21:56 by Braeden »
That mad man Braeden is trying to soil my good name by changing my posts! I think its time for a battle of the admins.
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« Last Edit: Today at 23:21:56 by Braeden »
That mad man Braeden is trying to soil my good name by changing my posts! I think its time for a battle of the admins.
I surrender. I am not fighting a war with a Nord, that is just asking to lose.
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Sweet smell of victory.
I don't see anything wrong with the NA maps personally, I play on NA quite often (though sometimes on secret alts spying on the other admins and marking their performance down on my sheet). I like the large number of maps, I rarely see the same one twice in a day, hurray!
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Couldn't decide between vote #3 or #4.
I picked #3, but sign me up for both if possible.
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would it help if i put up a guide to teach people how to dick around on maps, and adding them to a server rotation? cuz id be happy to do it :D
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Yeah most of the maps are pretty terrible on the NA server, but what are you gonna do? There's no competition so it's put up or shut up. Some of the maps are really good maps and seem balanced, but most of them just seem like "siege" type maps with no flags to cap.
That being said...I'd rather have a lot of map variety (including terrible maps) than just the 10-15 ones that I enjoy playing on. But seriously, some of them are just terrible...if you want to play siege, there's servers for that. I am thankful they added some random plains maps to the server rotation, but I think you'd be better off switching of them to random steppes. Sometimes you get some really flat plains maps with little or no terrain that can be used to anyone's advantage.
I like when people are forced to rely on their teammates and the terrain rather than corner camping buildings like we're playing SOCOM on PS2.
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Maps should all be smoothed with no silly huge elevation changes or overly cluttered terrain, this is a game that emphasizes footwork, and has terrible glitchy movement mechanics over certain terain types, especially slopes. The maps are not "bad" and some talented mappers put a ton of time into them, many of them are simply not suited for the game as it currently is. A simpler rotation of smoothed, simple maps would be better.
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Every day you see widespread bitching about the maps in server - the poll should've been more serious, but the numbers still speak for themselves.
You also have to bring into account the people that don't even frequent the forums (such as myself but i'm sick this week) that are displeased.
It is a small community for a small indie game - It would be a shame to see the numbers dwindle because people are simply bored of the maps in rotation on the only viable servers.
A simple democratic system should be brought into effect, voting maps in over time to not be overwhelmed.
That being said, qmd or qmu even work?
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I used to be heavy into mapping and managing maps here, but like my entire clan, i got fed up and bored with this game and quit to move on to other things, now out of 40+ gamers (with some exceptions who found other clans) none of us can play cprg for more than half an hour at a time without getting bored and leaving. The map rotation is not the problem, the game, map makers and the people that have the keys to the rotation are all volunteers and don't have an incentive to put in more hours. Complaining on the forums does not solve the problems this game has, first of which seems to be that they have fiddled so much with the code as to render it inherently unstable.
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I think mainly it might help it we had the rotation set up so everything was evenly distributed (though that would be a lot of work), so you don't get clumps of map types, but it evenly alternate, like plains1>>urban1>>village1>>rocky1>>plains2>>urban2>>etc
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Like I said, its all well and good to talk about it on the forums, but until someone cares enough to step up to the plate, manage maps, tell people with new maps that they suck, and not dissapear for months at a time it is all a moot point. Moot I say!
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So is Tears able to change siege rotation as well? Or should we just convert it into a 50 man ATS battle map server
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1time siege had map change polls on and the admins disappeared so we got to change to maps that we had never seen, AND 1 classic map that we never see anymore. Oh I forgot to mention we hit 75 players on siege that day.
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Contrary to popular opinion, we do track the QMD and QMU features. If you want to let us know you hate a map or dislike it, use that feature.
The reason why it seems to not be working is because so many of you are spreading the info "don't bother." So... Start bothering. Make me happy, please.
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but it evenly alternate, like shitmap>>shitmap>>shitmap>>shitmap>>shitmap>>shitmap>>shitetc
fixed that for you.
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Contrary to popular opinion, we do track the QMD and QMU features. If you want to let us know you hate a map or dislike it, use that feature.
The reason why it seems to not be working is because so many of you are spreading the info "don't bother." So... Start bothering. Make me happy, please.
I have QMD'd every map I have seen so far and nothing has changed. Seems that the "don't bother" is really how I feel about this feature.
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And some people qmu everything. need moar votes.
Or give me gold... that works too.
Regardless, a few new ones popped up the last week or two, about ten....
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Maps should all be smoothed with no silly huge elevation changes or overly cluttered terrain, this is a game that emphasizes footwork, and has terrible glitchy movement mechanics over certain terain types, especially slopes. The maps are not "bad" and some talented mappers put a ton of time into them, many of them are simply not suited for the game as it currently is. A simpler rotation of smoothed, simple maps would be better.
Some of the maps actually are bad, because they are straight up villages from native singleplayer that were never meant to be used in multiplayer. These are also the maps that have retarded terrain features for the most part.
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Then maybe it isn't recording properly?
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Contrary to popular opinion, we do track the QMD and QMU features. If you want to let us know you hate a map or dislike it, use that feature.
The reason why it seems to not be working is because so many of you are spreading the info "don't bother." So... Start bothering. Make me happy, please.
too bad no documentation on how it actually works, not to mention lack of transparency. how many times can you QMD the same map?
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so it seems pretty much every one wants to lower the map count to only the good ones lol