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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: SeQuel on November 28, 2011, 01:52:09 am

Title: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: SeQuel on November 28, 2011, 01:52:09 am
Champion Arabian Warhorse needs a serious buff.

This horse is complete shit. For a Champion horse the benefits from it are NOTHING compared to any other horse.

hit points: 105 (Charging at a enemy archer with MW bow and arrows (if the archer hits the horse in the head) 1 shots it.
body armor: 14 (Body armor equivalent to the shittiest horses. The rouncey and steppe horse both have more).
difficulty: 7 (Highest difficult of any horse.)
speed: 43 (MEH speed, lots of horse match this or pass when loomed x3)
maneuver: 50 (The only good thing about this horse.)
charge: 24 (Again another pathetic stat compared to the Courser, Destrier) Obviously not gonna match the armored horses.

Pros - Maneuver, you never see anyone use this horse?
Cons - Riding skill level, HP, Body armor, Speed, Charge

^ For a horse with 7 riding you'd think it would be better....putting more points into riding you'd think would give you a better horse.

NOPE

These things are going for a all time low price cause they're so shitty. I'm asking for a minor buff to this thing so it's not so pathetic. Make it viable. Getting 1 shot by a archer isnt viable.

Kind of a rage rant, I apologize. Whatcha guys think?
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Braeden on November 28, 2011, 01:56:52 am
I don't think it is a bad horse, I actually rather love it.  However I do think it needs a mild buff to be worth 7 riding.  Something like:

+5 Health +4 armor +2 speed

or even just +15 health +1 armor
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Siboire on November 28, 2011, 01:58:05 am
Isn't this horse for HA, HC or HT? So you should not charge at anybody and it's maneuver let's you evade most of other cavs/infantry/shots. My opinion...

Though, they should nerf heavy horse maneuver. I know we aren't suppose to balance on heirlooms, but seeing how a champ cata (and other heavies) can turn around on a dime...serious bullshit.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Gomer on November 28, 2011, 02:07:46 am
No because it's a specialty horse. Horse archer and xbow man specialty. Adds diversity and more useless items. Makes game gayer thus more popular in San Francisco. There it will become more popular. Then we have a massive community. Then we fix gay shit like this.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Gristle on November 28, 2011, 02:08:57 am
More things in this mod need to be buffed instead of everything being nerfed.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Gomer on November 28, 2011, 02:09:54 am
Whats next? Nerfing Buffs?
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Flawless on November 28, 2011, 02:14:59 am
I think most armored horses are overpowered. Increase the skill to use them. However, BUFF HA.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: SeQuel on November 28, 2011, 02:50:51 am
It was over nerfed when it was fotm in EU.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on November 28, 2011, 04:41:31 am
it needs to not be two shot...
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on November 28, 2011, 04:57:54 am
Yeah, I think it could really use a small HP and armor buff.

I think the maneuver and speed are spot on for a horse whose specialty is, essentially, agility. Any more maneuver or speed and the horse would stray into the realm of OPness. Plus the problem here is that the Champion Arabian Warhorse dies too easily.

One of the advantages of an agile horse is that it is difficult to hit if the rider maintains a relatively unpredictable pattern of movement, and is wary of incoming attacks and actively dodges them. Thus, compared to the other high-tier, unarmored horses (Destrier and Courser), it should have the least HP.

At the same time no horse that's that expensive and has had that much time and effort put into its looming should die in two or three shots. It's just not fun, and its unfair to the horse's owner (and the horse, poor guy). SMALL HP BUFF--though to be honest I wouldn't mind nerfing it into the ground either.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: SeQuel on November 28, 2011, 05:08:38 am
Isn't this horse for HA, HC or HT? So you should not charge at anybody and it's maneuver let's you evade most of other cavs/infantry/shots. My opinion...

Though, they should nerf heavy horse maneuver. I know we aren't suppose to balance on heirlooms, but seeing how a champ cata (and other heavies) can turn around on a dime...serious bullshit.

I'm almost certain most HA don't have 7 riding. I may be wrong though.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on November 28, 2011, 06:34:53 pm
i actually prefered my champion courser. this thing is weak, sure its nice manoeuver but this horse gives you no place for msitake, get to close to a mob and you'll se sure to be down in two arrows.

i invest 7 riding skill in that horse and criple myself for any other class, i expect at least a decent horse
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Gomer on November 29, 2011, 06:15:42 am
Champion Arabian Warhorse needs a serious buff.

This horse is complete shit. For a Champion horse the benefits from it are NOTHING compared to any other horse.

hit points: 105 (Charging at a enemy archer with MW bow and arrows (if the archer hits the horse in the head) 1 shots it.



Thats like 5 arrows now....
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: SeQuel on November 30, 2011, 12:02:47 am
Thats like 5 arrows now....

It's still a low base amount. If it really "5 arrows now" then all horses are a lot higher. Also didn't the hotfix fix the arrows?
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Patricia on November 30, 2011, 01:12:55 am
I'm almost certain most HA don't have 7 riding. I may be wrong though.

Average HA build is probably something around 15/24, so that would be 8 riding.

I know when I played HA I'd mostly play 15/24 for the 4 Horse Archery points.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: SeQuel on November 30, 2011, 07:30:39 am
Average HA build is probably something around 15/24, so that would be 8 riding.

I know when I played HA I'd mostly play 15/24 for the 4 Horse Archery points.

I don't see any HA investing 7-8 riding though. Arabian isnt even that good you could easily save a few skill points for a better horse.

Courser is just as good, no one can catch you and you can kite all day. I see more HA use coursers.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Cepeshi on November 30, 2011, 07:33:34 am
I approve of this, i got champ. courser and my friend lend me champ. arabian, the maneuver is freaking awesome, but all other sucks...that bitch gets oneshotted even to body while galloping in the direction towards bodkin archer :(

So yeah, show some love to the arabian formulas!
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: SeQuel on November 30, 2011, 07:43:37 pm
7 no's yet I've yet to see 1 post that actually explains why it SHOULDN'T be buffed.... even though I says in the vote to state why.
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on November 30, 2011, 09:12:50 pm
7 no's yet I've yet to see 1 post that actually explains why it SHOULDN'T be buffed.... even though I says in the vote to state why.

general cavhate lobby
Title: Re: [BUFF] Champion Arabian Warhorse
Post by: Patricia on December 01, 2011, 03:29:54 am
I don't see any HA investing 7-8 riding though. Arabian isnt even that good you could easily save a few skill points for a better horse.

Courser is just as good, no one can catch you and you can kite all day. I see more HA use coursers.

From what I remember I went 8 riding 8 WM 5 PD and 4 HA and was using the Arabian warhorse to great extent.

Most horses can already turn on a dime, the arabian warhorse even more so, I've kept plated people knocked down for a good 30 seconds by just knocking them down then turning on a dime to do it again all while shooting at them and killing them.

I think if anything the arabian warhorse should maybe get a bit of HP or body armor, I do admit it's extremely squishy, mine would die in like 2 arrows, but it never was a problem for me.

Using the maneuvering to dodge arrows wasn't all that hard as long as I knew where the archers were, I usually waited a bit for the ranged to acquire a target and tunnel vision on them and I could have my horse last entire rounds without much trouble.