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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 08:23:25 am

Title: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 08:23:25 am
This idea just struck me the other day and I mentioned it in another thread, but I thought I'd put it here in more detail. These are all really just ideas to show examples of an overall concept, and to make it easy for scripting purposes, I imagine it'd be easiest to simply apply them to a character automatically once the criteria's reached. I imagine this system will do three things: Further distinguish the three main builds (Strength, Agility, and Hybrid), motivate players to level up beyond the retirement age and "keep" their builds, and increase over-all community incentive to play and achieve higher levels of power (Which I'm sure will come with new player complaints, until said new players level up too :P). For purposes of describing the examples I will reference an imaginary player named Bob the Placeholder.

What gave me this idea was the fact that c-RPG reminds me of oldschool Dungeons and Dragons 3.5, with the three primary build types resembling three of the tabletop game's primary classes; The barbarian (strength), the fighter (hybrid), and the rogue (agility). For those of you who aren't familiar with D&D 3.5, the class structure was essentially a gain experience, allocate points into your raw stats, skills, and "feats" (which are the equivalent to talents and abilities in other games). But mostly, the three classes I just mentioned gain "bonus" feats automatically by simply reaching the requisite level;

The Barbarian receives passive and activated abilities that contribute to his endurance, physical power, and overall battlefield intimidation.
The Fighter receives "bonus feat points" at frequent intervals throughout his leveling, giving him access to more of the game's standard feats.
The Rogue receives various abilities that effect his battlefield prowess, awareness, speed and grace.

So here's some ideas...

Power Attack - 21 STR required
When executing a "hold attack", base weapon damage increases by one point for every 3 seconds the attack is delayed. Bonus weapon damage is removed after the hold attack's release or when cancelled/interrupted.
Details: This one will drastically help out players who can't quite fit in with the attack speed/feinting crowd, and in the heat of combat, 3 seconds is a long time to notice what direction a person is swinging their weapon. The fact that the bonus damage cancels out if the hold attack is stopped for any reason also prevents feint abuse as well.

Cleave - 30 Strength requirement
When executing a "hold attack" of at least a two second charge duration, weapon swing will follow through and strike the next object in its path if the first object it collides with is killed/destroyed. Effect is cumulative (Will hit three targets if it brings the first two in its swing path to 0 health, and so on). Effect occurs once per two-second attack charge, and cancels out if the hold attack is interrupted in any way.
Details: The biggest contribution this will make is an unexpected one: It will drastically lessen the stress and consequence of accidental team kills by 2Handers and Polearm users in cluster fights, due to the enemy still receiving the attack even if it kills a teammate first. Most people who roll STR builds opt in for the big weapons - This would only make the build more welcome among battles. We all know how aggravating it can be to make a big weapon swing and the only thing you actually hurt is your team - Even if, on your screen, your weapon pretty much passed through the enemy's body.

Thundering Boot - 39 STR requirement
Removes the self immobilization effect when kicking (Player can turn while the kick is being executed), causes players to fall down as if struck by a Knockdown effect when hit, and grants the kick the ability to strike up to three targets in a thin melee-length cone where the kick strikes.
Details: Kick is drastically under-used, and even when it is used, it's mostly done just to amuse people. Considering being knocked down isn't even a complete game changer by itself (Cavalry teams still lose battles even though they're the kings of knockdown), this ability change will only contribute to making STR build players feel more like a battlefield powerhouse, while giving enemy players a reason to actually pay attention to the guys with the giant 2Handers.

Slice in Twain - 45 STR requirement
Whenever the player executes a Cleave attack, the first object struck by the player's weapon (if any) is done with a +10 base damage bonus applied to the weapon used. Bonus damage is applied before damage reduction/bonuses from Power Strike and WPF, and dissipates either after striking the first Cleave target or otherwise when each Cleave is performed/cancelled/interrupted.
Details: This is just a juicy treat to justify pushing to 45 STR, really. It's safe to assume anybody who does is using a big weapon and trying to inflict large damage. However, this will create a large learning curve for the player, because team kills will become much easier - And of course it's not something forced on the player because all they have to do is not use Cleave in situations when it's obvious results would be bad. Challenge, anyone?

Body of the Solid Mountain - 54 STR requirement
Whenever the player is struck by any attack for 16 damage or less (After bonuses and penalities apply), that attack's damage is reduced by 12. Damage by such an attack cannot be reduced below 2 and is not subject to another bonus/penalty check. Any damage that is reduced by Body of the Mountain also negates flinch effects on the player (the reduced damage will not interrupt weapon swings/movement).
Details: Just another treat for pushing a stupidly high amount of STR. Clearly the only way to get this much out of any stat is to make big sacrifices else where (like other defensive investments such as shields), unless the player is generation 5+ and decided to never retire ever again. Although, I haven't done the math for the game's combat, but you guys probably get the point this ability would be trying to make.

Drop and Roll - 21 AGI requirement
Removes the brief immobilization effect from being knocked down by a cavalry charge, Knockdown weapon, or Thundering Boot. Players can move at normal left, right, forward or backward acceleration as if moving from a complete stop while getting back up, but still retain stun effects (Can't attack, jump, switch weapons, or block/parry) until standing fully upright as normal.
Details: This one would just plain be fun, and would not only provide only slight defensive measures against how easy it can be to get knocked down (Team knockdowns via cavalry - lol?), but it will make AGI investors simply feel more agile and acrobatic in combat. Also it will provide a counter-balance for fighting against enemies with Thundering boot; Quick reflexes will prevent dying to follow-up attacks!

On the Hunt - 30 AGI requirement
Whenever the player lands a killing blow, total movement speed is increased by 15% for three seconds. Movement speed bonus is applied after bonus/penalties from armor and skills.
Details: This one will probably be a primary assist for archers, but at 30 AGI, will also be accessible to hybrids who are trying a cleaving "berserker" class. Only having a three second duration certainly prevents outstanding round delay abuse, and overall it will make AGI investors feel much more aggressive and bold in combat.

Grace of the Stalker - 39 AGI requirement
Removes the self-stun/flinch afflicted on a player after landing from a jump or long fall. Falling damage is still received if would be inflicted normally, and players are still susceptible to being struck or otherwise harmed by enemies when landing.
Details: At 39 AGI, I imagine people will start wanting butter on their bread since it will demand sacrifices from STR, and I think this would be it. Archers using On the Hunt will find rooftop travel much easier, as would any of the swift assassin type players who set out to kill them. Basically all this would do is give AGI investors a new way to have fun with the amazing town and fortress maps the game already has - Smooth platforming mechanics. Naturally the slower STR type players will argue this makes AGI types uncatchable - But as they should be. They're agile assassins leaping across roofs like ninjas, you're not going to hulk hogan them down from the ground, silly! :P

Study Their Weakness - 45 AGI requirement
Whenever a player executes a hold attack of at least two seconds charged, the following strike will inflict 1.3x damage. Effect is cumulative - Attack will inflicts 1.6x damage after 4 seconds, 1.9x damage after 6 seconds, and so forth, and applies before bonus/penalties from skills and armor. This effect cancels if the hold attack's charge is canceled or interrupted by any means, and occurs once per such attack. Bonus damage is halved for Crossbows, rounded down (1.1x damage for 2 seconds, 1.3x damage for 4 seconds, 1.4x damage for 6 seconds, still applied before bonuses/penalties from armor and skills). Study Their Weaknesses does not work on ranged weapons if the attack is performed while moving on foot/horse.
Details: 45 AGI probably means the player has substantially lower STR, meaning what they want is speed. This ability will actually give the players the option to inflict higher damage by forsaking lightning fast speed with a charged attack, giving the agile warriors options that would likely grant them more of a tactician's feel to things. This will also improve archery damage while at the same time making it more challenging - They will need to risk tiring out the bow string if they want that higher damage.

Reflexes of the Serpent - 54 AGI requirement
Grants the player a 20% chance to trigger a "block assist" when struck in melee combat. This automated block will interrupt any attacks or actions that a normal block is capable of interrupting normally and will aim in the direction of the attack that triggered it until a successful deflect occurs. This block operates as a standard successful block in the direction of the attack that triggered it and does not grant protection against effects a normal block cannot prevent such as Knockdowns, Crushthroughs, Kicks, weapon stun due to weight differences, shield damage/destruction or ranged damage (if block executes without a shield in hand). Upon successful deflection of the attack which triggered this block, the player will immediately release their block stance unless the player resumes/sustains the stance manually. This ability cannot trigger in any case when a manual block or parry cannot work.
Details: Pretty much the necessary ability for anyone who wants to play the rapid speed assault build and doesn't want to just get destroyed and discouraged from it entirely. 54 AGi will probably mean low health and and overall damage, so combined with On the Hunt, this ability will likely give many heavy AGI investors a very smooth speed-combat experience. On paper this ability might look a little daunting, but a 20% chance to block in only one direction at any given time is actually still easily overcome by anyone who uses tactical strategy and teamwork.

Mind of a Strategist - 21 STR & 21 AGI requirement
Grants the player a permanent +1 skill point for every 2 total character levels acquired. Upon achieving Mind of the Strategist, the player is given the appropriate amount of skill points for levels already gained, and continues to grant an extra point at every even numbered level the player gains afterward (levels 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc). These skill points can not be converted into stat points and are revoked should the requisites for Mind of the Strategist ever be compromised due to a respec, retirement, or any other effect or action.
Details: I'm sketchy on what a decently balanced amount and frequency of these bonus points should be, but yeah. Shameless D&D Fighter class ripoff, I know. But I sincerely think this would drastically promote the idea of hybrids entirely, and while it will probably grant players access to tons of weapon types, everyone still is restricted to 4 inventory slots and all the item penalties like weight and cost upkeep. I doubt this would cause any sort of cataclysmic balance issues.

The Tactician's Resolve - 30 STR & 30 AGI requirement
Provides a passive 18 body armor, 8 head armor, 10 leg armor, and 20 body armor from shields. This armor stacks with all other armor and defensive bonuses and applies whenever other armor bonuses apply. These bonuses cannot be cumulative by equipping more than one type of armor-granting item (such as two shields).
Details: Relatively easy to obtain by anyone pushing a sincere hybrid build and is mostly designed to accommodate the shield users and cavalry (Stop freaking out, take note it does not increase the armor on plated lolchargers :P). In total I imagine this would be impossible to obtain along with the stat specific defensive abilities, unless you could somehow find your way into 84 stat points. If you can... you probably deserve to be a combat monster.

Sorry for the TL;DR! What do you guys think? Should c-RPG someday have "passive talents"?

*Edit* as it turns out, I took this thread seriously and Bob the Placeholder was not mentioned in its production. His union rep has been contacted and good will negotiations are being conducted. I will post updates when they occur.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: HarunYahya on November 23, 2011, 08:39:10 am
Okay i understand .
Make a decision if you want to play Skyrim go play Skyirm !
If you want to play cRPG then quit whining like a lil girl and play it !
WTF will your next suggestion be ?
Adding destruction and illusion perks ?
Get lost ffs....
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Maximus101 on November 23, 2011, 08:47:56 am
Ok mate I see what you are trying to do. But we ain't playing world of Warcraft and tis is a realistic medieval game. I reckon these things would just be annoying. And seriously, who has 30 agility and 30 strength. That's impossible- it only goes to lvl 35..
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 23, 2011, 08:49:18 am
No...
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 09:20:37 am
1. I don't play Skyrim

2. I don't play WoW

3. I don't recall suggesting we add some fantastical magic abilities to the game

4. Playing Team Edward versus Team Jacob with video games makes us no better than Twilight fangirls.

Less rage, more open mindedness, guys. This is the suggestion forum, http://4chan.org (http://4chan.org) is <--- this way.

<3 I love you guys. :)

Also, is the level cap 35? I was playing with the character planner on c-RPG's wiki and it was letting me plan up to the stat levels listed above. And google is only showing me forums where people are asking for level caps. I'm only level 25 at the moment, but yeah, a level 35 level cap would probably mean pushing all the requirements quite lower lol.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 23, 2011, 10:21:45 am
sorry, but very bad idea. two reasons which come quick into my mind:

- current balance of player skill/char attributes is perfect, IMO. Your suggestion would give char attributes much more wheight.
- connected to first, playing low level will suck more

also, again sorry to say but the names you gave the passive skills are just retarded and are one reason why most immediately think of fantasy and WoW.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 10:27:13 am
Harsh on the names comment! :P

Yeah, if this does ever happen, I'd hope there's a way to comfort the lower levels. At the moment I think all we have is the fact that leveling up to about 20 is lightning fast and then we get the whole 50% exp bonus by generation 5 lol. But who knows, clearly these devs are imaginative enough to come up with something to balance it, if it were an idea they'd green light.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Vibe on November 23, 2011, 10:28:32 am
A lot of work to balance and create this and too gamechanging.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 10:33:41 am
Definitely. I wasn't brave enough to venture into the realm of anything beyond passive ability type stuff because of that, lol. Mostly things that just alter the way the game mechanics functions, like making run speeds faster, altering damage, or merely switching off the swing halt when killing what a weapon hits. But even still, I'd not expect this would be possible without a huge period of no needed developer activity.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 23, 2011, 10:48:45 am
Quote from: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 10:27:13 am
Harsh on the names comment! :P
yeah, a bit too harsh you're right. Also perhaps in some other context I'd like the names, but here they just don't fit I think. anyway, its a minor point.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Templar_Ratigan on November 23, 2011, 10:59:31 am
Quote from: koyama on November 23, 2011, 08:39:10 am

If you want to play cRPG then quit whining like a lil girl and play it !


I think that is a bit of an oxymoron...

Afterall isnt whining like a little girl....PART of being a crpg player?

ps: I dont agree with his idea however.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 11:02:02 am
...LOL
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Paul on November 23, 2011, 11:36:21 am
Dönkey Kick - 24 STR required, donator, not NA
Sends the kickee into ragdoll mode for a few seconds while being blown away backwards.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on November 23, 2011, 11:39:11 am
Reajust your numbers, Dont go over 39 str/agi
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: B3RS3RK on November 23, 2011, 11:43:13 am
lol 54 Strength required.Lol.

I smell big troll.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on November 23, 2011, 11:51:24 am
Just Lol... and NO.

Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 12:13:09 pm
A friendly reminder for the people who don't actually read threads or understand the purpose of a video game suggestions forum:

I'm not a c-RPG developer. Numbers, names, even what these abilities do, are all just creative examples of the overall idea. Examples are not decisions, nor are they me telling anybody what to do or what should be done; They are examples of an idea. C-RPG and M&B are not my games, and I am merely a consumer participating in a suggestions forum.

This announcement was brought to you by Xandaroth, CBS, Captain Obvious, Bob the Placeholder, and forum trolls like you.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: B3RS3RK on November 23, 2011, 12:28:19 pm
Nonetheless you should know the game you try to change at least a bit.It doesnt sound like you even retired once.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Skysong on November 23, 2011, 12:41:46 pm
Pro trolling
GJ

Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 12:47:16 pm
I've been playing for a few months and typically I respec around level 28. I've respecced a good dozen times and I've been trying out various builds like archer builds, cav builds, 2H, shields, and now I'm on polearms. I respec instead of retire because I like to lol @ the people who cry about repair upkeep, and when you're experimenting and constantly buying new items to field test it all, you simply can't afford repairs.

But this is a suggestion discussion thread, not a "I don't know you but it sounds like my e-peen is bigger than yours" thread.

I do, however, know of some places to discuss e-peen.

http://battle.net
http://gaiaonline.com
http://pokemon.com

You might want to try there.

I'm curious what the devs actually think about the idea of passive stat-related performance boosting features. Do any of you guys rock the forums regularly?
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: B3RS3RK on November 23, 2011, 12:54:49 pm
You fail if you already played a few months but dont realise that you will never ever in a 1000 years not reach 54 strength.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Blondin on November 23, 2011, 03:15:10 pm
At 99 STR punch do crushthrough and knockdown, like Hulk!
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: dodnet on November 23, 2011, 03:31:42 pm
Quote from: Blondin on November 23, 2011, 03:15:10 pm
At 99 STR punch do crushthrough and knockdown, like Hulk!

And green skin (unchangeable)  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 03:57:00 pm
Rofl. Yeah, that's basically what the Character Planner was telling me I could do. Still though, does anyone know if there's a level cap? Google's only showing me people talking about wanting one, but nothing that says there actually is one. I want to make my 42/15 build after hitting generation 5 D:< The planner says I can do it by level 50!
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on November 23, 2011, 04:19:10 pm
lvl 31  - 8 892 403 xp (retire)
lvl 32  - 17 784 806 xp (possible)
lvl 33  - 35 569 612 xp (too much of a grind)
lvl 34  - 71 139 224 xp (possible only by the biggest nolifers)
lvl 35  - 142 278 448 xp (semi impossible)
lvl 36  - 284 556 896 xp (impossible)

Your max value for a perk should be 39 str/agi
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: PanPan on November 23, 2011, 04:23:37 pm
WTF? 30 30 build that would be first totally OP and never rly never reachable

Is this reachable?
Level 55 (149 189 765 890 048 xp)

    Strength: 30
    Agility: 30

    Ironflesh: 10
    Power Strike: 10
    Shield: 6
    Athletics: 10
    Riding: 10
    Weapon Master: 10
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Blondin on November 23, 2011, 04:29:11 pm
There is a soft and a hard cap.
Soft cap, you need 4 milliom xp to 30, 8 million xp to 31, 17 millionxp to 32, 34 million to 33, etc. It's a soft cap because you can do it but you need time.
Hard cap is at level 35 (around 100 million xp).

Edit: thx Fluffy for the right xp amount.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Leshma on November 23, 2011, 04:33:45 pm
Quote from: Fluffy_Muffin on November 23, 2011, 04:19:10 pm
lvl 34  - 71 139 224 xp (possible only by the biggest nolifers)

You jelly cause Bruno is better than you at c-rpg, umbra noob? :P

And no, lvl 34 isn't 71mil XP, it's 80 mil.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Leshma on November 23, 2011, 04:36:48 pm
Quote from: Blondin on November 23, 2011, 04:29:11 pm
There is a soft and a hard cap.
Soft cap, you need 4 milliom xp to 30, 8 million xp to 31, 17 millionxp to 32, 34 million to 33, etc. It's a soft cap because you can do it but you need time.
Hard cap is at level 35 (around 100 million xp).

Edit: thx Fluffy for the right xp amount.

There's no hard cap (at least no one confirmed it). And lvl 35 is 180 mil XP I think, and lvl 36 is 440 mil...
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on November 23, 2011, 04:43:00 pm
Theres techincally no hard cap, so long as you are willing to spend a few years of ingame time grinding...

And by the basis of having a charged attack. You could get 21 strength, a stone and hold in throwing postition for about 2 minutes and 1 shot a strength build in plate armour. The same thing could be done with a stick or a punch....

Nice thought, but a silly one.
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Noctivagant on November 23, 2011, 04:44:17 pm
Quote from: Xandaroth on November 23, 2011, 08:23:25 am
What gave me this idea was the fact that c-RPG reminds me of oldschool Dungeons and Dragons 3.5, with the three primary build types resembling three of the tabletop game's primary classes; The barbarian (strength), the fighter (hybrid), and the rogue (agility).

I...I just don't know what to say, I'm trying but its not working.
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Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on November 23, 2011, 05:10:03 pm
Quote from: Leshma on November 23, 2011, 04:33:45 pm
You jelly cause Bruno is better than you at c-rpg, umbra noob? :P

And no, lvl 34 isn't 71mil XP, it's 80 mil.

I just copied the values from the char calculator, you are actualy lvl 33?  pfff no life  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Passive "talents"!
Post by: Miriam on November 25, 2011, 07:45:21 pm
I think the basic idea is good, BUT talents should be more balanced... and NOT taken from D&D (that it's a totally different game, and it's unbalanced too)