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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: chadz on October 31, 2011, 04:30:49 pm

Title: Upcoming updates
Post by: chadz on October 31, 2011, 04:30:49 pm: So, I'm announcing this so I'm not fucking some traders over who happen to be in the field. Changes should happen within the next 24 hours.

- Faraway goods bonus will be vastly increased (probably up to +500%),
- The formula will be changed to flatten in the end,
- items and goods will slow you down if you don't have enough men,
- people will be able to see an estimate on how many items you are carrying,
- horses will help against slowing down.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: mandible/splinteryourjaw on October 31, 2011, 04:42:02 pm: Why show the number of goods being carried, isn't army size enough??? Will the weapons or approx amount of weapons an army (landowner or bandit) has and gold also be shown??? How about setting a range around a fief. castle, or town in which attacks can not happen?

p.s. appreciate the forewarning though
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Elio on October 31, 2011, 04:51:27 pm: You killed traders, crisis is coming!
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Plaksteris on October 31, 2011, 04:52:57 pm: Quote from: chadz on October 31, 2011, 04:30:49 pm
- people will be able to see an estimate on how many items you are carrying,

This! Will make a lots of bandits!
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Sojetsu on October 31, 2011, 04:55:12 pm: Quote from: chadz on October 31, 2011, 04:30:49 pm
So, I'm announcing this so I'm not fucking some traders over who happen to be in the field. Changes should happen within the next 24 hours.

- Faraway goods bonus will be vastly increased (probably up to +500%),
- The formula will be changed to flatten in the end,
- items and goods will slow you down if you don't have enough men,
- people will be able to see an estimate on how many items you are carrying,
- horses will help against slowing down.
i hope 5 to 1 or something like this?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Flawless on October 31, 2011, 05:11:56 pm: This will force caravans to be well armed, and bandits will have a few targets to hit. This means It is really important for large clans to clear their lands to caravans want to come to their lands. Also + +++++++ for more money.

Can you post the goods to troop ratio?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Erasmas on October 31, 2011, 05:15:30 pm: Actually, making caravans smaller, slower, more expensive (troop upkeep) and more vulnerable means ... less money :D but: more bandits, so: more battles.

Increase of the my old friend on short distance will prevent caravans going on long runs.

This will also encourage clans to take over land asap to prevent bandits being hosted (and enforced with troops) in the locations.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Jarlek on October 31, 2011, 05:18:57 pm: Damn. Need to rethink my caravan routes now...
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Overdriven on October 31, 2011, 06:06:10 pm: Any change on horse costs? Pretty please :)
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: justme on October 31, 2011, 06:08:22 pm: good time for bandits :D
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: SeQuel on October 31, 2011, 06:10:14 pm: chadz could you make it so villages update their roster with people who signed up like 5 minutes till the battle? It only makes sense that the village grabs as much as it needs to help defend itself. All I'm asking for is have the village do like a last 5 minute check for any late sign ups.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Nessaj on October 31, 2011, 06:13:38 pm: What is 'enough men' based upon? It would be silly if 1 goods = 1 troop, or the notion that the 'troops' are actually carrying around this stuff.

Let us craft/build actual wagons (x amount of goods can be stored in X type) in order to speed things up then and lower the requirement of troops.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: VVarlord on October 31, 2011, 06:14:27 pm: D o g s h i t
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Black_Charger on October 31, 2011, 06:25:10 pm: Time for the Trade Union!!
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19429.0.html

:D
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Jarlek on October 31, 2011, 06:46:15 pm: Quote from: Nessaj on October 31, 2011, 06:13:38 pm
What is 'enough men' based upon? It would be silly if 1 goods = 1 troop, or the notion that the 'troops' are actually carrying around this stuff.

Let us craft/build actual wagons (x amount of goods can be stored in X type) in order to speed things up then and lower the requirement of troops.
WAGONS! And they should be destructible ingame! And work like the equipment chests! YEAH!
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: mandible/splinteryourjaw on October 31, 2011, 06:48:38 pm: make the game more daring by not showing any character information at all until after an attack is initiated.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Turboflex on October 31, 2011, 07:14:54 pm: I like this.

Boost to short-medium range trading, which is more realistic than expecting people to cross map.

Boost to political/warfare aspects. Banditry becomes more practical, while trade agreements become important. There should also be more quality battles over trade if people are defending their caravans properly.

Any word on the inventory bugs being fixed? Where even if you win, you lose what you were carrying/using at end of battle? Kinda blows if you have decent stuff on 30-50 people at end, and it gets vaporised.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Overdriven on October 31, 2011, 07:21:03 pm: Quote from: Turboflex on October 31, 2011, 07:14:54 pm
Any word on the inventory bugs being fixed? Where even if you win, you lose what you were carrying/using at end of battle? Kinda blows if you have decent stuff on 30-50 people at end, and it gets vaporised.

That really needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on October 31, 2011, 09:58:44 pm: caravans being slowed down further?
they already get slower with more troops and now +/= the goods?!
this is gonna screw gold gain even more, won't matter much with the distance boost, noone will be stupid enough to turtle trough large distances, it will either cost more in upkeep or bandits are going to stumble upon you like stray cats after an stinking fishy in ya pants :idea:

the suggestion of wagons or equus africanus asinus's would be an great addition to this 8-)
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Fiq_Al_Mata on November 01, 2011, 02:46:21 am: Camels!

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Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: PhantomZero on November 01, 2011, 03:42:12 am: Quote from: Overdriven on October 31, 2011, 07:21:03 pm
That really needs to be fixed.

Yes, please fix the "lose surviving gear even if you win" bug, before working on anything else. It is pretty important, especially now that the battles can have 60 players again.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Balton on November 01, 2011, 10:25:11 am: Very good changes, I approve.

Next priority should be neutral fiefs paying their mercenaries. In order to provide incentive to succeed in battle, the pay-off should be a quarter of what the mercenary signed up for if the result is a loss, and full pay if the attackers are held off. This will also encourage clans signing up as an entirety to help defend neutral fiefs.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Tennenoth on November 01, 2011, 10:35:21 am: I think this is a particularly good time for the Caravan Guild to start offering their Guarding services.

Fiq! Ready the battle kittens! Bjarky! Grab that wine! We've got a job to do!

Hold for more info. ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Keshian on November 01, 2011, 03:37:53 pm: So has anyone felt the difference of the new changes??? What are they like?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 01, 2011, 04:24:50 pm: don't think the update is installed yet, can't see the changes from the OP, it's all the same.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Spurdospera on November 01, 2011, 04:25:26 pm: Quote from: Keshian on November 01, 2011, 03:37:53 pm
So has anyone felt the difference of the new changes??? What are they like?
Has there even been change yet?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: dodnet on November 03, 2011, 10:41:08 am: When will it be updated? December 2013? :mrgreen:

Quote from: Spurdospera on November 01, 2011, 04:25:26 pm
Has there even been change yet?

Don't think so, movement speed seems to be the same.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 03, 2011, 11:00:49 am: i guess they will let us know when.
seems to be some more work to do.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Matey on November 04, 2011, 09:49:55 am: so uhhh... when is this happening? isnt it kind of fucking over traders to have this looming over their heads so that they bunker down and get ready for it instead of carrying on with their business? warning is nice... but maybe say like "golly gosh we are changing shit and gee willickers but itd be a dern good idea to be ready for it when it hits in X days!"
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Sir_Ironlake on November 04, 2011, 10:20:54 am: It was supposed to be "within 24 hours", presumably something unexpected happened (either with the code or other obligations or whatever).

That is of course 100% understandable, though an updated (estimated) scheduel of the change would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Keshian on November 04, 2011, 03:55:06 pm: Second that motion, just give us a rough estimate so we dont leave traders stranded or hold off trading all together for weeks.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 04, 2011, 09:20:06 pm: why hold off trading?
the update is a trade nerf, don't u see it?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Matey on November 04, 2011, 10:13:41 pm: aye i see it, but i dont want our traders getting stuck in the open running from fief to fief when it hits.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 04, 2011, 10:40:09 pm: still, it would cost more to just wait and do nothing.
i rather be surprised and come to support a member with troops if needed.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: mandible/splinteryourjaw on November 05, 2011, 02:25:29 pm: While it would be nice to know when and what the changes are in advance of them happening. I think chadz is trying to make sure he gets it right (like he said in the first post; he doesn't want to leave traders hanging and vulnerable.) If that is the case I think we can all appreciate his effort. I just hope it doesn't slow people down even more...everything moves so slow now!!!
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Turkhammer on November 05, 2011, 06:07:53 pm: Anyone have info about how many goods each man or horse can carry?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Slamz on November 05, 2011, 07:16:22 pm: Quote from: Turkhammer on November 05, 2011, 06:07:53 pm
Anyone have info about how many goods each man or horse can carry?
That would be nice to know. And the formula for speed impact.

If I wander out there with 100 troops and 300 goods I am screwed by how much, exactly?
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Turkhammer on November 06, 2011, 06:05:12 am: Well I wandered out with 2 rouncies, 61 men and 78 goods and I'm going 13.5 mpm. Previously with 61 men, no horses and 139 goods I was making 23 mpm.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Segd on November 06, 2011, 09:39:34 am: no update yet(cause faraway bonus is the same) :(
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: VVarlord on November 06, 2011, 11:00:08 am: An update post that has only made it to 3 pages?

At fifteen, I had the will to learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ; at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the square..
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 06, 2011, 12:23:22 pm: - over 9000 to seeing what people are carrying. Should only kick in if you have more than 50 goods other wise the under class of traders and rogues won't be able to do anything. Don't force me into a clan, PLEASE!
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 06, 2011, 04:32:15 pm: nvm.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Flawless on November 06, 2011, 04:35:59 pm: are you in a forest? that speed is about what I get in forests.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 06, 2011, 04:41:49 pm: facepalm, i forgot to check, grml i was so ready to QQ about this.
nvm lol
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Jarlek on November 06, 2011, 05:59:12 pm: Quote from: Bjarky on November 06, 2011, 04:41:49 pm
facepalm, i forgot to check, grml i was so ready to QQ about this.
nvm lol
xD Oh youuu :D
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Turkhammer on November 06, 2011, 08:19:41 pm: Quote from: Flawless on November 06, 2011, 04:35:59 pm
are you in a forest? that speed is about what I get in forests.

In the open, but it soon went back to my customary 23.x mpm.
Title: Re: Upcoming updates
Post by: Bjarky on November 07, 2011, 10:07:19 pm: is it just me or is this new?
Strat menu under your speed stats:
Equipment: 0 kg
Cargo: 0 kg (0 crates)