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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Teeth on October 26, 2011, 06:16:13 pm
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I own a MW Danish Greatsword, still I like picking up weapons and trying out different stuff. I get the idea that the Danish Greatsword is slower than the German Greatsword. Both are the same speed, German has 1 less length. Not sure if that makes a difference
Stats wise I'd pick the Danish Greatsword as the better of the two any day, but ingame, the German is better cause it seems to be faster. This slower feel to the weapon is probably also the reason that the marketplace is filled to the brim with people trying to get rid of their Danish.
I would like to hear other players experiences with this and if people agree with me I would like to know why it is slower and if it will/can be fixed. Maybe someone could fraps it and play it in uber slowmo to compare.
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I have noticed this as well and already traded away my MW Danish... would be nice to get some tests done on it
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I don't notice any difference :/.
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I think this is just the "giraffe" syndrome. Giraffes look like they are moving slower then they really are due to how long their legs are, when in actuality they are running pretty fast.
I think the Danish just looks slower because the tip is farther away from you then the German.
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was surprised that someone traded me a mw danish considering its been like the most cookie cutter weapon for a while since it has best 2h stats.
but yeah I can tell you that swings feel slower than long hafted blade swings, but that is polearm vs 2h I guess.
and I have been repeatively shocked ingame at being spammed (ie I block then swing but thier 2nd swing hits first) by much slower weapons, I think part of this is just me not having played much for a while.
but really 93 speed spammed by 86 speed scythe and flamberge, surely thats some exploit on turn swing and very long weapons.
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holy shit, i have actually noticed this too, but i just put it down to my diseased brain
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Noticed this as well, not sure if it's really the speed, but I believe this to be the weapon model fault.
For example German Greatsword attack "look" faster because it has a thiner blade.
That's my explanation, atleast.
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As soon as I figure out how, I will compare shit with slowmowed fraps footage.
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To amplify the German superiority above anything Danish we added a secret swing speed decrease flag to the Danish. It's at 87.96% speed compared to pre-stealth patch.
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Same with Great long axe, it needs a buff!
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ALL im noticing is that everyone uses 2h greatswords, even though they didnt even existed in true medieval setting
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ALL im noticing is that everyone uses 2h greatswords, even though they didnt even existed in true medieval setting
Neither did anything above transitional armour, and even that is pushing it into the age of gunpowder.
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ALL im noticing is that everyone uses 2h greatswords, even though they didnt even existed in true medieval setting
Define medieval times, its a period which has no set boundaries.
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ALL im noticing is that everyone uses 2h greatswords, even though they didnt even existed in true medieval setting
How can you notice that since you quit c-RPG?
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Neither did anything above transitional armour, and even that is pushing it into the age of gunpowder.
Transitional armour and corazinas are used very frequently in 14th century, while gratswords of lenght like those in crpg are were appearing in late 15th
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Transitional armour and corazinas are used very frequently in 14th century, while gratswords of lenght like those in crpg are were appearing in late 15th
cool story bro
I also think that the Danish is slightly slower than the German, but I dont really care tbh as I use a gs :D
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To amplify the German superiority above anything Danish we added a secret swing speed decrease flag to the Danish. It's at 87.96% speed compared to pre-stealth patch.
You can be all sarcastic about it, but why do I see this shit
Masterwork German Greatsword 1100000
Masterwork Danish Greatsword 940000
That and about a dozen Danish offers. Statistically I'd pick a Danish over a German anyday, but the German does feel faster.
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To amplify the German superiority above anything Danish we added a secret swing speed decrease flag to the Danish. It's at 87.96% speed compared to pre-stealth patch.
great, so when i troll a serious thread i get muted. Yet paul mocks us danish users with his trolling and nothing happens? This seems like the kind of thing that would make glenn beck mad.
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You can be all sarcastic about it, but why do I see this shit
Masterwork German Greatsword 1100000
Masterwork Danish Greatsword 940000
That and about a dozen Danish offers. Statistically I'd pick a Danish over a German anyday, but the German does feel faster.
That's because new 2h players see the danish at the very bottom of the equipment list and instantly assume its the best weapon. Thats what i did when i was new... And then later on they realize that the stats aren't everything and they'd like try the coolest looking weapon in the game - german greatsword :mrgreen:.
The danish is cheaper not because its a worse weapon, but because it has the best stats, everyone looms it. This makes the supply of danish much higher than the german.
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I am going to test it next gen so I will have both MW Danish and MW German, but I won't share my notes ]:->
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I am going to test it next gen so I will have both MW Danish and MW German, but I won't share my notes ]:->
Damn.
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Curse you Blueknight! You have found our only weakness!
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Just wanted to reraise attention to this issue. Paul open your eyes, a good player like you should be able to notice the difference, cause its there. Please fix it somehow, cause I'd hate to have to trade this weapon +150k for another 2h weapon that I think is statistically inferior, just because somehow the Danish is slower than its 92 speed rating.
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I was using a MW German for a few days and just now switched to MW Danish. I don't see the difference.
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Dammit, you did? Couldn't you have traded with me?
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no
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It's been long since I've compared the Danish GS to the German but in comparison to the normal GS I've noticed a lack of fluidness that seems more prominent than the 1 speed difference would warrant.
Sometimes wep stats 'feels' more like pointers, you need to hold and feel the weapon yourself to have a clear impression of its physics.
Even so, Danish GS seems balanced; make it faster and it would just become ridiculous.
To amplify the German superiority above anything Danish we added a secret swing speed decrease flag to the Danish.
Bah, the Germanic Peoples all wandered down from Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia; Urist, I am your father.
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The thing is, there is no 1 speed difference, they have the same speedrating, the Danish and German, but in my experience, and others agree, the Danish is slower.
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As I wrote I was talking about normal GS when I mentioned the 1 speed difference.
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The thing is, there is no 1 speed difference, they have the same speedrating, the Danish and German, but in my experience, and others agree, the Danish is slower.
Like other's have said, it's a pure feeling. Because the German looks thinner and thus lighter and faster, you start believing in it.
As I have owned both at the same time once, and owned them on multiple occassions, including a German GS right now, I can safely say this is all an imagination. I thought it first too, untill I tested out the difference. You'd be surprised how our minds can deceive us.
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I saw something like this with polearms, when I switched between the Long awlpike (speed: 89 length: 185) and Bamboo spear (speed: 90 length: 200) it definately felt like the Long awlpike was faster despite having a lower speed stat.
Maybe the longer a weapon is the slower it is also?
This wouldn't be too noticable on the Danish vs German example though.
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great, so when i troll a serious thread i get muted. Yet paul mocks us danish users with his trolling and nothing happens? This seems like the kind of thing that would make glenn beck mad.
When will you learn, it's do as we say, not do as we do.
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It's not trolling. It's pointing out bullshit in a humorous way.
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Why are Germans so much more popular than Danishes? Especially considering this:
40c base damage (18 str/6PS/120 active wpf/quick swing/bodyhit/no speed bonus or sweetspot penalty)
against
(min|avr|max damage)
25 armor: 24|33|45
50 armor: 8|16|31
75 armor: 2|7|20
30p base damage
against
25 armor: 21|29|36
50 armor: 9|16|27
75 armor: 2|9|19
This pretty much says that using a German stab pretty much always does less damage than a Danish swing, even against the heaviest of armour. I don't get why anyone would sacrifice 1 length and 2 swing damage on 3 attacks, for 2 more damage on the stab. I doubt the look of the weapon makes all that much popular, so maybe there is something else, I don't know, the swingspeed maybe?
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Teeth, you're trolling, right? ๏̯̃๏
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Nope, what makes you think I am?
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not enough spam?
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great, so when i troll a serious thread i get muted. Yet paul mocks us danish users with his trolling and nothing happens? This seems like the kind of thing that would make glenn beck mad.
Didn't you know that he can insult players and deride them freely? That's the usual behaviour for an admin nowadays ^^
For the topic's subject : I also feel like the german is faster than danish when i use it with my 2h alt, but don't sell it teeth, it's still a good weapon, and only non-skilled players use speed to beat their ennemies, it's a common knowledge, keep your slow weapon :p
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Why are Germans so much more popular than Danishes? Especially considering this:
40c base damage (18 str/6PS/120 active wpf/quick swing/bodyhit/no speed bonus or sweetspot penalty)
against
(min|avr|max damage)
25 armor: 24|33|45
50 armor: 8|16|31
75 armor: 2|7|20
30p base damage
against
25 armor: 21|29|36
50 armor: 9|16|27
75 armor: 2|9|19
This pretty much says that using a German stab pretty much always does less damage than a Danish swing, even against the heaviest of armour. I don't get why anyone would sacrifice 1 length and 2 swing damage on 3 attacks, for 2 more damage on the stab. I doubt the look of the weapon makes all that much popular, so maybe there is something else, I don't know, the swingspeed maybe?
Why do you think it's more popular in the first place? Most two handers I see use Danish Greatsword.
Market rarity =/= popularity
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Everyone wants to have the sword 'they can't have'. Danish was rising in price quickly some time ago. Than the market became flooded with these things, and now people want the German gs. Since activity has halted in c-rpg, there won't be such a flood anymore. Meaning that the prices will more or less stay the same.