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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Michael on February 06, 2011, 03:47:30 pm

Title: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Michael on February 06, 2011, 03:47:30 pm: Heavy Great Sword   9001
weight 2.75
requirement 13
spd rtng 94
weapon length 120

Highland Claymore   9890
weight 3
requirement 15
spd rtng 90
weapon length 120

Sword of War   9901
weight 3
requirement 14
spd rtng 93
weapon length 121

German Greatsword   11686
weight 2.5
requirement 14
spd rtng 92
weapon length 123

The Highlander sword has more weight, less speed, less reach or all of it than all the other great swords. (Higher requirement doesnt matter I guess).

I think with 5 more reach it would be fine. I would be happy to pay a bit more upkeep. I am aware I could use another sword, but that wouldnt fit the theme = boring.

I know the Claymore has a bit more swing damage, but that doesnt matter, greatswords are a 1 strike kill against almost everyone (with a str build) anyway.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Belmont on February 06, 2011, 03:51:47 pm: Quote from: Fasader
okay, claymore getting +2 speed
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Fasader on February 06, 2011, 04:00:07 pm: Quote from: Belmont on February 06, 2011, 03:51:47 pm
Quote from: Fasader
okay, claymore getting +2 speed
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Vexus on February 06, 2011, 04:09:55 pm: And the heavy great sword is going to get a speed decrease.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Michael on February 06, 2011, 07:30:56 pm: Quote from: Fasader on February 06, 2011, 04:00:07 pm

Why not reach? Mel Gibson swinging that beast in Braveheart.

And if speed, then 3.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 06, 2011, 07:35:59 pm: Quote from: Michael on February 06, 2011, 07:30:56 pm

Why not reach? Mel Gibson swinging that beast in Braveheart.

And if speed, then 3.

Post a screenshot of you getting 3-0 with some other 2h sword. That will justify the +3 speed on Claymore.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Krakatit on February 06, 2011, 07:36:47 pm: Yeah claymore is long like week before salary. 1,5 m in average
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Tired on February 06, 2011, 09:35:10 pm: Can't wait for the claymore to get it's speed back. Will finally be able to compete again.
The range won't be decreased or increased as the model matches 120 reach.
Thanks for listening devs =)
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Fasader on February 06, 2011, 10:51:56 pm: visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Prpavi on February 06, 2011, 11:25:31 pm: yes no reach needed, +2 speed back would be wonderfull for us that loomed it before the reduction

cheers
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 06, 2011, 11:37:32 pm: Quote from: Mr_Moist on February 06, 2011, 11:25:31 pm
yes no reach needed, +2 speed back would be wonderfull for us that loomed it before the reduction

cheers

Woot, shouldn't german and danish have -1 speed for their awesome length ?
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Fasader on February 06, 2011, 11:40:05 pm: no, they have worse damage.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 06, 2011, 11:41:38 pm: Quote from: Fasader on February 06, 2011, 11:40:05 pm
no, they have worse damage.

It's actually strange how longer weapons have more damage therefore deal more stun and fare better at extremely low distances. Greatsword class of 2h have more than Longsword class, spamberge have even more. Shouldn't it be somehow like low-high-low (with top damage for say 110 range 2h weapons) ?
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 06, 2011, 11:47:20 pm: Shouldn't all swords that aren't used with a shield get +20 speed bonus?
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 06, 2011, 11:48:35 pm: Quote from: Xant on February 06, 2011, 11:47:20 pm
Shouldn't all swords that aren't used with a shield get +20 speed bonus?

Shouldn't you just shut your face ? It's about internal balance within 2h family, not about powerlevel of proficiency. Gtfo, troll.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 06, 2011, 11:51:09 pm: Quote from: UrLukur on February 06, 2011, 11:48:35 pm
Shouldn't you just shut your face ? It's about internal balance within 2h family, not about powerlevel of proficiency. Gtfo, troll.

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I'm talking about general game improvement, though. Make battles faster and more exciting!
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 06, 2011, 11:57:31 pm: Quote from: Xant on February 06, 2011, 11:51:09 pm
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I'm talking about general game improvement, though. Make battles faster and more exciting!

Buy a horse if you have problem with shields.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 06, 2011, 11:58:15 pm: I don't have a problem with shields. 1h+shield is a good soft landing for newbies.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:03:16 am: Quote from: Xant on February 06, 2011, 11:58:15 pm
I don't have a problem with shields. 1h+shield is a good soft landing for newbies.

like throwing, archery, 2h and polearms.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:05:36 am: Well, archery, yes. Archery's good too, but won't teach new players much about melee mechanisms. Shielder's perfect though, no need to do all that difficult manual blocking, can just focus on holding RMB.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:07:33 am: Quote from: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:05:36 am
Well, archery, yes. Archery's good too, but won't teach new players much about melee mechanisms. Shielder's perfect though, no need to do all that difficult manual blocking, can just focus on holding RMB.

2h and poles on the other hand are excellent way to teach lmb, crush weapons are prime example, you dont even have to choose direction, just use overhead.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:08:29 am: Yes, quite true again. The time they'll be forced to spend spectating will teach them a lot when they die due to just trying to spam.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:09:20 am: Quote from: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:08:29 am
Yes, quite true again. The time they'll be forced to spend spectating will teach them a lot when they die due to just trying to spam.

With barmace build ? with great maul build ? :rolleyes:

It give as much chances for spectating as 2h. You can't block forever, and game is won by killing people.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:10:15 am: Try it yourself. You need to block even more with those weapons than a normal 2h.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:11:47 am: Quote from: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:10:15 am
Try it yourself. You need to block even more with those weapons than a normal 2h.

One block then overhead ? Seriously ? if you fail, you have 2 another chances against those easymode shield users.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:14:41 am: Try it yourself. Fraps it. Youtube. Link :lol:
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:16:48 am: Quote from: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:14:41 am
Try it yourself. Fraps it. Youtube. Link :lol:

Yeah, like if i have time to level 2h to 31 lvl, heirloom barmace then 30 lvl. Or just going 30/31 with maul.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:17:32 am: What's that?

Oh, it's the sweet smell of excuses.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Punisher on February 07, 2011, 12:18:17 am: Quote from: UrLukur on February 06, 2011, 11:37:32 pm
Woot, shouldn't german and danish have -1 speed for their awesome length ?

-1 speed for +3 lenght? That's indeed fair.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:19:04 am: Oh, also, wait what? UrLukur, I thought you were suggesting that would be the perfect build for a lowbie. Then you go on about saying how you need level 31 and heirlooms. :lol:
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:22:38 am: Quote from: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:19:04 am
Oh, also, wait what? UrLukur, I thought you were suggesting that would be the perfect build for a lowbie. Then you go on about saying how you need level 31 and heirlooms. :lol:

Not for lowbie but for unemployed newbie.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:23:20 am: Quote from: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:22:38 am
Not for lowbie but for unemployed newbie.

So what makes you think it's that easy if you've never tried it?
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: UrLukur on February 07, 2011, 12:25:11 am: Quote from: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:23:20 am
So what makes you think it's that easy if you've never tried it?

I tried 1 wpp 2h weapons. I think with more proficiency it would be better, right? For lowbie katana or axe is good choice.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Michael on February 07, 2011, 12:39:00 am: Quote from: Xant on February 06, 2011, 07:35:59 pm
Post a screenshot of you getting 3-0 with some other 2h sword. That will justify the +3 speed on Claymore.

Its not that I needed a "buff", "bonus" whatever to get some kills.

Not everyone sucks as hard as you do. =)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3351/nodachirules.jpg

2h is totally easy to do. Only polearm is easier to get tons of kills with mindless spam.
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Xant on February 07, 2011, 12:42:30 am: lol watttttttttttttttttttttttttt i don't even

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Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: Michael on February 07, 2011, 12:48:34 am: Dude, you are off- topic the whole time in my topic, so I guess you are stupid and a troll. And you suck. =)

(I was level 8 when I scored that 11-1. I couldnt bring something similiar with 1h-shield, so I assume 2h is a lot easier to do.)
Title: Re: More reach for Highlander sword
Post by: bruce on February 07, 2011, 01:35:50 am: Well, the topic is silly, I mean, you're arguing for ghost reach? Have someone make a longer model first if you want more length.