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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: MrBovineJoni on October 18, 2011, 07:47:36 am
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Dear Fellow gamers, friends, and maybe not so friends,
Today I write to you in attempt to appeal to your sense of empathy, for today there may have been an injustice to the community by two players, (well one player who most people know and then me) who through jovial actions tarnished the gaming experience of our fellow gamers. "We become human only in the company of other human beings. And this involves both opening our hearts and giving voice to our deepest convictions. ...When we shrink from the world, our souls shrink, too." ~ Paul Rogat Loeb. I believe that throughout this post if we keep this sentiment in mind we may all learn to forge on in this community to form stronger bonds and understandings of actions that have ensued on this night, 10/17/2011 sometime between 7pm and midnight central time.
During a semi-regular night of c-rpg in ATS vent after many of us retired and have been enjoying the pleasures of low level shenanigans. This went on for plenty of maps including some other members of the community who would join in on our laughs and come and go but our spirits did not transcend the entire server, as we had so blindly believed. During a cool desert sunset the gang began "A roof top dance party" which may have went awry after it was not taken so lightly and led to a member of ATS being team killed. This would lead to Palatro and I attempting to get onto the roof on our own to enjoy our own sort of party without the restrictions of others ideas of fun. This would cause truly tragic as it turns, as it was taken as griefing to another clan. It may have gone too far, as I admit we did push the envelope quite far but with admins on we were ready to stop at any time. With no such asking, not even from the ones ourselves were bullying we assumed it was all being taken okay, that life was good and it was also giving them some form of enjoyment. Palatro and I both apologize for our actions though this is too late. It did not seem at the time that it was such a problem and the initial accusations and dramatic video were both shocking and confusing, causing my very defensive behavior. Though the situation may have been handled better it should not have needed to be handled at all and we both now understand that.
I would like to believe that this will not happen in the future, but to make things more clearly noticed it would be appreciated if we could be told what exactly part of the official server rules through quote we were breaking. I am not one to read into things and that has obviously this has lead to me being a fool. It would also be nice if we were told the length of the ban, as we have basically be shunned without being told much of anything. "We become human only in the company of other human beings. And this involves both opening our hearts and giving voice to our deepest convictions. ...When we shrink from the world, our souls shrink, too." ~ Paul Rogat Loeb. Our humanity in this case has lead us to hurt others feelings while we were bonding, but in the same light this could be an opportunity for you to open your hearts to two players just messing around, having a silly time in a game that they can take way to seriously, and are finally having a good time in again. I thank you for your finally letting us know we crossed a line, and again apologize for that lined being crossed. As I have said in past posts I ended past posts with Love, I mean so truthfully, weather I enjoy your shenanigans or love to hate you in battle I will not end this post as seemingly sardonic.
With heavy hearts,
Palatro and Juice Layer
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As for the length of the ban,
Will watch the video in a little bit and lay down some banhammer (if necessary)
EDIT: Alright, so, there was definitely some OBVIOUS rule breaking going on here. Juice will be banned for 5 days and Palatro for 4
23.10.2011 06:43:00 for juice and 22.10.2011 06:44:00 for palatroll
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TL;DR
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Well as luck has it, I'm going to Germany for work. So I'll just be playing EU servers...
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Regardless of my feelings (I'm just an observer that goes a bit further than screenshots), I would like to know Copper's opinion of all this. He went to bed while I was putting the video together, and it was his complaining that prompted me to pay attention.
You claim it was all in good fun? The archer trying to shoot was not having fun. The people thrown from the ladders did not have fun. Words and warnings are not needed to show this. It is obvious.
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If you cant do the time don't do the crime
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Since he is going to be out of town i would petition for his ban to be lengthened by 2 weeks so he feels some amount of pain otherwise he will just continue to be an asshat
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Also his name... JuiceLayer
is obviously jew slayer
For that alone this guy should be perma banned i take great offense to that name. Its complete and utter bigotry my family did not go through unspeakable horrors for this little bitch to make fun of it years later
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Dear Gristle,
Obviousness is all due to perspective. In this case I can honestly say that I really didn't believe this to be the big stink it has become. I am really sad this could not have been so obviously stated in game during this incident. As you may no it is nearly impossible to read sarcasm or anger in text, but at the same time it is easy to see if it does not exist. I failed to take coppers words as they truly meant but the words were few, and as he and you returned round after round I wasn't really shown that you were so offended heck we were getting a multiplier as you can even see in your video. It really wasn't until the next map where copper killed me (from the other team) and used some expletives toward me, that I realized this wasn't all fun and games. I at the time was not sorry because I did not feel approached as an adult. If in the future you guys could give the courtesy of hopping into our vent if you have a problem it would be greatly appreciated as this running around behind each others backs may have gotten you the desired results has prolonged the grief and in my eyes put a damper on my view of the community. In the end I am to blame, so again I am sorry that I could have caused such a ruckus.
Juice
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and your being a nice understanding guy is why you shit talked copper in chat after he left the server and went to bed :rolleyes:
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Dear Gristle,
Obviousness is all due to perspective. In this case I can honestly say that I really didn't believe this to be the big stink it has become. I am really sad this could not have been so obviously stated in game during this incident. As you may no it is nearly impossible to read sarcasm or anger in text, but at the same time it is easy to see if it does not exist. I failed to take coppers words as they truly meant but the words were few, and as he and you returned round after round I wasn't really shown that you were so offended heck we were getting a multiplier as you can even see in your video. It really wasn't until the next map where copper killed me (from the other team) and used some expletives toward me, that I realized this wasn't all fun and games. I at the time was not sorry because I did not feel approached as an adult. If in the future you guys could give the courtesy of hopping into our vent if you have a problem it would be greatly appreciated as this running around behind each others backs may have gotten you the desired results has prolonged the grief and in my eyes put a damper on my view of the community. In the end I am to blame, so again I am sorry that I could have caused such a ruckus.
Juice
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Dear Gristle,
Obviousness is all due to perspective. In this case I can honestly say that I really didn't believe this to be the big stink it has become. I am really sad this could not have been so obviously stated in game during this incident. As you may no it is nearly impossible to read sarcasm or anger in text, but at the same time it is easy to see if it does not exist. I failed to take coppers words as they truly meant but the words were few, and as he and you returned round after round I wasn't really shown that you were so offended heck we were getting a multiplier as you can even see in your video. It really wasn't until the next map where copper killed me (from the other team) and used some expletives toward me, that I realized this wasn't all fun and games. I at the time was not sorry because I did not feel approached as an adult. If in the future you guys could give the courtesy of hopping into our vent if you have a problem it would be greatly appreciated as this running around behind each others backs may have gotten you the desired results has prolonged the grief and in my eyes put a damper on my view of the community. In the end I am to blame, so again I am sorry that I could have caused such a ruckus.
Juice
You're a very well spoken racist piece of shit thats for sure you deserve nothing less than a perma ban for being the kiss ass piece of shit that you are you dumb facist
You have no fans or friends your a lonely 40 year old fat jackass that thinks he can poke fun at one of the most atrocious acts in history fuck you and everything you stand for
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if you wish to be approached as an adult try acting like one.
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if you wish to be approached as an adult try acting like one.
As you have acted like one through this Matey I will only say I wish the rest of posters would as well.
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As you have acted like one through this Matey I will only say I wish the rest of posters would as well.
Maybe i would act like an adult if i was in the company of adults, how ever im in the company of a fascist child so i am in no way called to act like an adult.
You're possibly the biggest piece of shit i have ever met on the inter webs go die in a fire
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I will no longer feed the troll I am sorry.
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Im confused am i a fascist or a 40 year old man, If im the worst person you have ever met in your life then you have had a pretty good run.... Telling me to die the way you did is pretty insensitive considering your families history.
How fucking dare you.
You're dead to me. Go fuck yourself
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I am in IRC trying to do so.
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You're an idiot go away.
You're an antisemitic jerk just shut up.
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How fucking dare you.
You're dead to me. Go fuck yourself
That quote is also not my words so....
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That quote is also not my words so....
I paraphrased because i read it refreshed and saw you changed it so i did my best from memory to capture the essence of your dickishness.
Why dont you post what you originally had up there so none of us are confused
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Please refrain from trolling/spamming and arguing in this forum, take it to PMs.
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Either way im done with him so i am no longer posting here, i hope the admins take what he has done/said/branded him self as into consideration when they consider prolonging your ban
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I griefed, slightly for one map? I said... I was sorry? and I rarely ever talk so I am assuming the branded is my name and in that case there are numerous names that can be taken as offensive that slip by every day, and if it was such a problem to you I am sorry you could not have asked me to change it without having to use this as the catalyst for your angry outbursts.
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Can we at least require a name change for an obviously racial slur name??? Its been shown to be offensive to people.
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I've asked on irc.
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I think five day ban is a bit much for such offense and no warning.
BUT since they are old-timers it is obvious they know the rules and shouldn't act like that. Doing it repetitively doesn't help their case either. Keep it at five days.
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Offensive names are pretty much a permanent ban until name changed, as the instant you hop back on another Admin will just ban for the name again.
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Offensive names are pretty much a permanent ban until name changed, as the instant you hop back on another Admin will just ban for the name again.
Name has been changed since people have finally shown offense. I apologize again, and no one had cared before now.
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So how did it become a racial slur now if no one realized it before. What did you do?
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Apparently if you say Juice Layer out loud it sounds similar to Jew Slayer.
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I see no reason for this thread to go on, you are aware of your ban date is there anything else?
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I'm just a'n some q's.
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I would like to know why the video says ban ATS and not ban juicelayer and palatro? To me this whole ordeal smells of clan rivalry, and imho has everything to do with BRDs opinion of ATS. Clearly this individual was following palatro and juicelayer around trying to get them to do something against the rules. For no other reason than to be able to brag to the BRD players about getting ATS players banned.
I move that these unjust bans be removed and this admin have his privilege removed.
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I would like to know why the video says ban ATS and not ban juicelayer and palatro? To me this whole ordeal smells of clan rivalry, and imho has everything to do with BRDs opinion of ATS. Clearly this individual was following palatro and juicelayer around trying to get them to do something against the rules. For no other reason than to be able to brag to the BRD players about getting ATS players banned.
I move that these unjust bans be removed and this admin have his privilege removed.
lulz, had nothing to do with that. They were griefing/ta copper so gristle recorded it for him.
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lulz, had nothing to do with that. They were griefing/ta copper so gristle recorded it for him.
I fail to see in that video all of ATS griefing, could you point that part out to me?
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Yupp. Gonna end it here. Feel free to message me if there are any more problems.