I was reluctant to write about this but it's becoming really annoying and I decided to point it out.
EU2 and EU5 servers need some attention from the admins because of massive bypassing of auto-balance system (specifically - a large number of Grey order members). I see this scenario every day -> auto-balance system transfers some ppl (best stats players) in the losing team for compensation and they just go to spectator mode until they have a chance to join the winning team again.
I read the game rules and it's clear that bypassing means breaking the rules.
everybody know you can abuse system , and its a problem in NA too , but as you are saying nobody cares :(
Every normal player would call playing in the same team - "teamplay". This is main reason to join cRPG clan. If someone doesn't know - EU 2 and EU 5 uses banner autobalance system, that means people with the same banner are playing in the same team. Deal with it.
Every normal player would call playing in the same team - "teamplay". This is main reason to join cRPG clan. If someone doesn't know - EU 2 and EU 5 uses banner autobalance system, that means people with the same banner are playing in the same team. Deal with it.
So when I go to spectator for coffe and smoke or to eat something or go to toilet I break the rules ? hehe funny
You whining because you are weaker than us on sige. You are biased. Thats all.
Every normal player would call playing in the same team - "teamplay". This is main reason to join cRPG clan. If someone doesn't know - EU 2 and EU 5 uses banner autobalance system, that means people with the same banner are playing in the same team. Deal with it.
Autobalance settings have been changed for the official servers, so as of today we have the following:
EU_cRPG_1 (120 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_2 (80 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_4 (50 slot Battle) - Strict Autobalance
EU_cRPG_5 (80 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_7 (80 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
There is some things, that admins just aren't able to control. You can forbid us to use some items, you can forbid us to go somewhere, but you can't tell us when we can play and when we can't.
If one player doesn't play in the moment, it isn't breaking the rules.
Autobalance settings have been changed for the official servers, so as of today we have the following:
EU_cRPG_1 (120 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_2 (80 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_4 (50 slot Battle) - Strict Autobalance
EU_cRPG_5 (80 slot Siege) - Autobalance by Banner
EU_cRPG_7 (80 slot Battle) - Autobalance by Banner
It's been reported this situation several times over, and judging by the amount of feedbacks (which is a grand total of zero) they don't seem to care about it. So everyone is invited to change to grey banner, and do the same, for free xp.
It's like the situation of GK's rushing on the first seconds, getting killed after couching, and rejoining the same round, which according to some admins, this isn't illegal.
I've just reached a point of "oh well.. ¯\(°_o)/¯ "
I think I've heard someone getting banned by doing that.
Every normal player would call playing in the same team - "teamplay". This is main reason to join cRPG clan. If someone doesn't know - EU 2 and EU 5 uses banner autobalance system, that means people with the same banner are playing in the same team. Deal with it.
It's been reported this situation several times over, and judging by the amount of feedbacks (which is a grand total of zero) they don't seem to care about it. So everyone is invited to change to grey banner, and do the same, for free xp.
It's like the situation of GK's rushing on the first seconds, getting killed after couching, and rejoining the same round, which according to some admins, this isn't illegal.
I've just reached a point of "oh well.. ¯\(°_o)/¯ "
I played a lot of siege one month ago, i can tell you the main problem (and exploit) is in the first round of siege, everybody knows that doors are weaker in first round, that means it is better to be on attacking team at first round.
And guess what, greys are always in attacking team at first round, strange no?
Actually they are not :rolleyes:
Come on guys, we know that some of the greys (I don't say it's the whole clan) do some very unfair and exploiting things on servers, but stick to the truth please... :rolleyes:
Solution (Like mentioned many times before): Let us only choose 1 team, so we join one of the teams randomly.
been saying that since a long time ago , it should be like old crpg where you joined the fray without choosing the team , this can still be abused but way less than having to choose your side,
This and I honestly wish they would do away with banner balance anyway. Everyone knows but doesn't want to admit that banner balance is all about stacking teams.
Everyone also knows that every server with BB turned off loses popularity rather quickly.Oh a server without ranged will not be empty in EU. I for one would be one there 24/7. Ah like the good old Risen melee only server, good times. There were almost always 20+ players on there. The average skill lvl on there was so high, that if you joined EU 1 after playing there for a few days it was super easy mode.
Tuna town or EU5 were great examples of experiments with "no range" or "No BB."
We know it has problems, but we want it anyways.
This and I honestly wish they would do away with banner balance anyway. Everyone knows but doesn't want to admit that banner balance is all about stacking teams.
Sometimes it's more fun to play against your clanmates. If you really want to play with your team and use teamwork, that's what scrims and strategus is for.
Everyone also knows that every server with BB turned off loses popularity rather quickly.
Tuna town or EU5 were great examples of experiments with "no range" or "No BB."
We know it has problems, but we want it anyways.
I gotta say though, the game becomes WAY more fun when you stop caring about leveling and don't give a shit about multis.
On the other hand, for some reason banner balance system isn't flawless and often keeps splitting clan members instead of keeping them in one team. Fixing that would be nice.
I believe that everyone knows BB can be abused, I know a lot of people don't like it, but I honestly think more people like it then dislike it.
I personally love it because you can play with your friends on the same team (No, strat is not an alternative, it is and forever will be a separate mess), and that social aspect is entirely why I play cRPG in the first place.
I really am completely against all servers turning it off, but I would be interested in seeing alternative servers go up with it off as an option for the people who dislike it.
It certainly does. Stopped retiring and oh lord does the game become more peaceful.
Oh a server without ranged will not be empty in EU. I for one would be one there 24/7. Ah like the good old Risen melee only server, good times. There were almost always 20+ players on there. The average skill lvl on there was so high, that if you joined EU 1 after playing there for a few days it was super easy mode.
AMEN.
There's nothing more horrible than auto-team splitting up banners, it should swap after the least used banner on the teams.
Tor and I hardly ever gets to play together anymore due to being split up ALL the time, very disheartening not being able to play a game with a friend.
It also eliminates the possibility to actually practice something on the servers, since someone will always be switched and it will most likely be one of your best players OR as always the one actually commanding the group via TeamSpeak.
If anyone has anything against Absolute Banner Balance they should play on servers without banner balance, but in general absolute banner balance should be the norm for almost all servers.
QuoteOn the other hand, for some reason banner balance system isn't flawless and often keeps splitting clan members instead of keeping them in one team. Fixing that would be nice.
AMEN.
There's nothing more horrible than auto-team splitting up banners, it should swap after the least used banner on the teams.
Tor and I hardly ever gets to play together anymore due to being split up ALL the time, very disheartening not being able to play a game with a friend.
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There is no EU server without banner balance anymore, not because it had no players it is more the "fault" of the clans (somehow).
If anyone has anything against Absolute Banner Balance they should play on servers without banner balance, but in general absolute banner balance should be the norm for almost all servers.
Solution: One (1) banner for all public servers. In next patch make one unique banner (can just write cRPG) for all players - you can choose it from menu. If you choose some other banner at public server this will result a auto ban. At other way you can choose your clan banner at your clan private server and in clan battles.
Less convoluted and less confusing to new players solution would be to toggle the option OFF to use individual banners in Admin Control Panel, so each teammate has the exact same banner that matches their team.
Actually this is no flaw, but a feature.
I never said anything about it not being a feature (it is a pretty common one in games :P).
The point was that it can still balance out the teams by just putting more people on the other team instead of splitting up a banner group. For example taking a banner group of 2-3 decent K/D to swap instead of 1 top KD.
Yup, life is very unfair. Some need to lose, for other one can win, and better team wins, that's true. Is playing on x1 profitable? Greys are playing on siege, cuz it's easier way to earn exp and money, and just don't have enough strong opposition. So the way for you is to make ur own group for siege/battle/DTV.
Njunja you should just abuse the system in anyway to get the multiplyer because alot of people (including me) are doing it.
i have seen 2 different clans wear the same banner and stacking in siege because "they are allies in strategus" (you might as well all be in one clan)
so pick any fucking banner you want, and if anyone ask just say you are the clan's groupie in strategus
Oh come on, you guys are known for exploiting anything that is exploitable.
yeh like the old password system.
There is some things, that admins just aren't able to control. You can forbid us to use some items, you can forbid us to go somewhere, but you can't tell us when we can play and when we can't.
NEVER EVER and I mean NEVER in their life EVER played first round on defending teamThats our clan rule. Each first round play in atack [siege or battle]. I don't see in this point nothing wrong.
1. Make Grey banner available only to people who are really Grey members+1
Thats our clan rule. Each first round play in atack [siege or battle]. I don't see in this point nothing wrong.
1. Make Grey banner available only to people who are really Grey members
(...) are not complete asses as grey (...)
There's a somewhat easy fix to this autobalance problem and it's been suggested once in the old forums.
Lock banners to respective factions (if there's a way to add more banners in the registry, I don't see the problem. Pubbies can still pick their own banners that aren't being used.), make a clan database where all members are listed and each clan leader adds their members on the main page. Keep everything centralized.
A lot more work, yes. But it would remove the problem(somewhat, the Greys would still exploit or rather, try to control the outcome by selectively choosing which rounds to play by spectating/joining back and forth) and make autobalance's job a lot easier.
Maybe something to be added in the future?
Even more simpler solution would be:
Anyone who spends more than 60 seconds in spectators should be autokicked or should go back to x1
bla bla I my self am using HRE banner to bring balance back in the game and also because HRE are not complete asses as grey bla bla bla...
There is no call for people being auto-kicked or losing their multiplier for sitting in spectate.
Even more simpler solution would be:Hm, not after 60 seconds thats too few. 7 minutes make you loose 1x ?
Anyone who spends more than 60 seconds in spectators should be autokicked or should go back to x1
Thats our clan rule. Each first round play in atack [siege or battle]. I don't see in this point nothing wrong.
+1
Even more simpler solution would be:
Anyone who spends more than 60 seconds in spectators should be autokicked or should go back to x1
I think that a clan database would be much better, so more or less what was proposed before, a clan tag autobalance rather than a banner balance, i'm sure how easy or effective that is to do, but it's probably a better thing to do in my honest opinion.
I could swear your clanrule is exploit whatever is exploitable.
Or balance by the sole fact that the player is listed under an official clan in this hypothetical clan database.
And anyone would be free to start a clan, but there could be some drawbacks such as trolling and the likes. So add a fee, say 10-20k. Completely reasonable.
Then I don't know about the banner part or have any particularly logically clear suggestions, but one would be that you have a clan config panel, where you upload banners and update your clan info. Because I'm imagining sort of like what we have in Faction Halls for each clan thread. Similar but not quite like it, more a personal page space for clans in cRPG. You would be able to do some nice presentations and it would benefit the community a lot in the long run. Just a small thing like that, would do wonders.
From this page you handle everything not Strategus, but still clan business. Maybe you could even have a clan account, where anyone in the clan can donate into it for the clan to use as they like. Buy heirlooms for their members, weapons, armours, loaning etc. I don't see any negativity beside the fact that this will make it easier to get heirlooms without retiring. But in my opinion, the price does not outweigh the benefits = better community and better clan cohesion.
Anyway, when it all boils down; this is going to require a lot of coding. (Or maybe not, who knows)
Usually there are never really simple solutions, otherwise a lot of problems we consider small would have been remedied ages ago. SUCH AS LADDERS IN BATTLE AND POLE STUN.
Apart from sounding like a griefer, bringing up personal dirt, denying that there is any problem and covering it all up about rich-kid talk, what is your contribution to this thread?
As you're talking about spectating, I was playing on siege server about half an hour ago, two of the admins were kicking specs, server wasn't full (about 55 players) wasn't passworded so new players could still join. While I was playing they kicked about 5-6 players (including me) for spectating, saying that if you're afk you can't go spec you have to leave server, seriously? Why the flying hell players can't go spec? Few seconds before round ends I just switched for a spectator mode, I went for a smoke, it took me about 4-5 minutes, when I got back, guess what I saw "You were kicked from the server". It has nothing to do with any kind of exploiting/leeching ot anything like that, you can't kick specs unless there is particular reason for doing it (look at first sentence).
It's pretty much what I did (and I guess all the others that were kicked/warned for spectating). :rolleyes:
There is no server rule saying that you can't go spec, to be more specific there is rule :"NOT OK: Standing around away from keyboard.If you're away, switch to spectator mode". It's fine that you were kicking/banning whose who break the rules, but you can't make your own rules.
I don't want to start any flame war or something like that, just as you asked I'm posting it on the forum.
PS also muting the players for asking the questions that you don't know how to respond isn't cool :rolleyes: (I'm not talking about few retarded comments that their autors deserved a mute)
Here's a medal for you! Now, if you have something to say to me, use PM or open a new thread but keep this thread clear of such crap please!
Or then just use same banner as greys do
i'm not defending anyone, i can't just really stand who whines about something he abused till now.
Mordhau - i wasnt aware that you could constantly keep multi by joining spec before round end
i was pretty sure that if you played on a team and then lost, even in spec, you lost multi. I have lost x5's by sitting in spec too long, usually over a round or 2.Exactly, this is how it works.
I like watching Grey's defend themselves on the forums. Best defence is offence.funny thing is that this style of offensive defence is typical behaviour in polis courts of justice. in most cases the defendant is trying to discredit the indictment not really putting care to the defence.
I bet if you're ever going to court on trial (let's hope it won't happen) , you're gonna punch the judge in the face instead of answering the "how do you plead?" question . =)
berserker go to toilet, when he back autoballance put him in defenders. What is problem? Ban autoballance them
Is every grey incontinent, obese or addicted to nicotine?
Is every grey incontinent, obese or addicted to nicotine?
Instead of just fucking admitting they abuse everything abusable in this mod all they come out with is shit on every thread like this: "He went to smoke" or "He was eating" or "He went to the toilet"...
funny thing is that this style of offensive defence is typical behaviour in polis courts of justice. in most cases the defendant is trying to discredit the indictment not really putting care to the defence.You realize that what you said makes no sense?
Is every grey incontinent, obese or addicted to nicotine?
Instead of just fucking admitting they abuse everything abusable in this mod all they come out with is shit on every thread like this: "He went to smoke" or "He was eating" or "He went to the toilet"...
you forgot me... i often go spec to see if my baby is still sleeping. add this too.OMG babies... now they are multiplying! :P
OMG babies... now they are multiplying! :P
Yep, Mordhau is right.
But then again I think that most of the Greys have stopped the exploiting (atleast in this case). I've even seen some of them defending in the first round.
@Bulzur - u mean EU 2/5? 6 is DTV.
At the end of the day all I can say is that if I see someone doing suspicious activity then im going to act on it, rightly or wrongly.
At the end of the day all I can say is that if I see someone doing suspicious activity then im going to act on it, rightly or wrongly.
This. I see it happen a lot on NA_2 with some clans.
It is a clear breaking of the rules against exploiting team balance. Confirmed for me by both Shik and Meow.
This. I see it happen a lot on NA_2 with some clans.
It is a clear breaking of the rules against exploiting team balance. Confirmed for me by both Shik and Meow.
We all know this is happening , tons of players are doing it but unless the admin look at the char/score page 24/7 to see it ( which is impossible)
There is no way to prevent people from doing this unfortunatly ( beside removing the team selection )
Or banning anyone who does it for a week for a first offense, 30 days second offense. That might get the message across :twisted:
Know what?
I just tried to abuse this, you kow, going spec to save multi.
It displayed x2 when I came back in, but reverterd to x1 when it actually ticked - much like valour works - so it seems to me a lot of stupid assholes trying cheat the system when they are only fooling themselves. Unless I;m the stupid asshole and there is some magical trick.
Know what?
I just tried to abuse this, you kow, going spec to save multi.
It displayed x2 when I came back in, but reverterd to x1 when it actually ticked - much like valour works - so it seems to me a lot of stupid assholes trying cheat the system when they are only fooling themselves. Unless I;m the stupid asshole and there is some magical trick.
yes. when i say i go spec to take a piss, it's a lie. i actually piss in my pants while spectating just to wait long enough to lose my multi.
now that the spec rejoin abooze mystery got solved, can the forumers please stop unloading their tons of sh*t on us?
Just ban the whole fucking clan already. -.-
Joined EU 2 some minutes ago, with 15 or more greys on. And u know what? Yeah, they just keep on doing the exploiting like they don't even care they could get a ban for it. Joining spec to get to the attacker-team and leaving one team if they get split and all that bullshit.
Fips, best to fraps them or something, you won't achieve much by just saying what they were doing...
What about following rule:Love it.
Everytime you join Spectator you lose 1 multiplier.
If you got x5 when you joined spec you got x4 if you rejoin.
It would stop the abuse for sure and is ok for those who a really using spectator the way they want to.
When I want to feel superior (more then usual, I am pretty amazing as is) I just walk in this thread and read a few posts...
Good thread, would recommend.
you was so humble before gaining admin rights... heh even admin permissions on a damn game can change people...
i often see HREs not attacking the other clanmates in the opposite team. not all of em.. just someone. it's annoying when you charge with an HRE on the side and suddently he don't attack the enemy because it's a clanmate and just watch you being raped by that clanmate plus the other enemies...
Hahaha...actually i shoot/hit yellows first.
And even if some of us did so...still better than not spawning at all, eh?
Just ban the whole fucking clan already. -.-
I haven't read this thread before, because I'm not interested hateful accusations and trolling, but what I see, it passes human comprehension.
If HRE is not calm down some of their members, we will be forced to react. Try to attack a neutral village bastards, and all Greys will come as a defender :twisted:
This is the last warning. Shut up or die. The choice is yours.
Shut up or die.What The Fuck?
If september 1939 is anything to go by history aint on yo side for these threats.LOWBLOWWWWWWW.
I haven't read this thread before, because I'm not interested hateful accusations and trolling, but what I see, it passes human comprehension.
If HRE is not calm down some of their members, we will be forced to react. Try to attack a neutral village bastards, and all Greys will come as a defender :twisted:
This is the last warning. Shut up or die. The choice is yours.
I saw YOU many times LEAVE the weaker team and after a minute JOINING the other.FACT: The team with Tot in it is never the weaker team. :)
Solution (Like mentioned many times before): Let us only choose 1 team, so we join one of theI play cRPG in a faction to get experience of great teamwork based siege scenario, not to play with random people. For example, not with you.
teams randomly.
What about following rule:I don't care about exp nor the money. If I were to choose between friend or multiplier I would always go for first one. Of course, by being a badass and winning I do deserve a reward unlike loosing team.
Everytime you join Spectator you lose 1 multiplier.
If you got x5 when you joined spec you got x4 if you rejoin.
It would stop the abuse for sure and is ok for those who a really using spectator the way they want to.
Berserker the Grey joined spec after round switched him to other team, than waited and joined his buddies on defense. Have in mind that this is just one example of what is being done many times on EU siege servers, regardless of warnings or bans.You are missing one thing here - Berserker went into serious arse-kicking-rampage there and when he left his post-balance team he had to wait till others refill virtual slots to let him rejoin his companions. So probably 2 or 3 knights willing to smack our ugly faces of Grey entered fight, instead of one man not so happy to ruin winning streak of his friend (in which he also worked hard to earn it).
For the "toillet" argument, who are you kidding? I am willing to bet hard cash that you would rather crap yourself up than lose the multi.I bet that you made more crap than reasonable thinking in your life. The thing is - you have to prove that someone is cheating, not just accuse someone and waiting them to explain and prove it is otherwise.
Just tell your buddies to stop abusing banner balance or there will be even more screenshots here proving my point.All our clan mates want is that we can play together. If there were not rats taking our banners and thus involuntarily making our team split, we would be glad to just kick your sad arse and watch you cry on the forums that we're stacking teams by being superior.
I like watching Grey's defend themselves on the forums. Best defence is offence .There's no way to answer that ranting, so why bother making excuses?
I bet if you're ever going to court on trial (let's hope it won't happen) , you're gonna punch the judge in the face instead of answering the "how do you plead?" question . =)
(...) by joining spectator but also can cause the winning team for the next round to not gain multipliers cause the game judge the team were unbalanced because a lot of peoples went spectator.And that's the real problem with teamswitching.
Instead of just fucking admitting they abuse everything abusable in this mod all they come out with is shit on every thread like this: "He went to smoke" or "He was eating" or "He went to the toilet"...Raping noobs can be tiresome. I can't tell what you do on spec, nor can you tell what others do. Difference is that I do not care.
And even if some of us did so...still better than not spawning at all, eh?Of course not. Being on spectator lefts slots open to everyone join and aid non-Grey team. Surprisingly noone wants to.
Ok this has gone far enough.
As some1 said be4, no devs/admins take interest in this behaviour (whether the accusations are right or wrong).
So lets give this a rest. I stand by wha
blanket ban NA, only solution
As some1 said be4, no devs/admins take interest in this behaviour (whether the accusations are right or wrong). So this thread has become rly pointless.
I haven't read this thread before, because I'm not interested hateful accusations and trolling, but what I see, it passes human comprehension.
If HRE is not calm down some of their members, we will be forced to react. Try to attack a neutral village bastards, and all Greys will come as a defender :twisted:
This is the last warning. Shut up or die. The choice is yours.
If you don't want to be accused maybe you should get your members to stop breaking the rules? Here's a reminder:
General rules
No exploiting of any kind
NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance
I thought everything is clear now:
1. Joining spec is not forbidden as far as I know, if you want to go to toilet or take a short break or whatever. If you then get into another team it wasn't your choice.
2. Staying in spec for the first round is not forbidden yet as far as I know and you will not lose your multi, because you didn't spawn (don't know if that will be changed or not, I don't care). You only lose your multi if you spawned in a team. If you go back to spec then you will still lose it.
3. Joining spec, team, spec, team, spec, team is forbidden, because you exploit the bugs/mistakes or whatever in the bannerbalance system until you get into your team.
Anything else?
Now stop the discussions here.
If you see someone still exploiting the bannerbalance thingy just take screens and report him in bansection. Posting here is just useless and causes lots of bullshit mimimi arguing