I'm pretty sure they couldnt block maces, great swords, morning stars,etc.... I always though they were to weak to block.
Katanas were made of some of the best and dense steel in history. I think the average Katana was steel refolded a thousand times (increasing the density & Strength), compared to European swords that were less than 50.
Katanas were made of some of the best and dense steel in history. I think the average Katana was steel refolded a thousand times (increasing the density & Strength), compared to European swords that were less than 50.
There is no physical reason, if you had the physical strength, why a katana could not block larger & heavier weapons.
Lol, fail. One of the reasons why katanas were such shit weapons compared to european counterparts is because of poor quality of the steel used by japanese weaponsmiths. For example, you could easily damage the blade by just blocking an incoming swing, that's why if the user received proper training he was going to block with the backside of the sword.
Hah, best steel.... Made my night.
Yeah Paul, Scandinavian and the likes were using the same folding techniques in either 500 bc or ac (or is it 700) can't remember.
I'm pretty sure they couldnt block maces, great swords, morning stars,etc.... I always though they were to weak to block.I'm pretty sure that no weapon can block great maul, but it's sometimes happen :D
In the game, you block by just holding your weapon straight out there. A great sword swinging full force at a perpendicular angle against a katana (or almost any other weapon) would not be a very successful block. The game engine is not nuanced enough to show a proper block each time, so we'll just have to consider the block animation as a representation of the warrior using a proper technique to block the weapon regardless of the angle or strength of the attack.
Most retarded blocks are 1h :DHave you SEEN the overhead block of 2h? That thing looks so ridiculous. Agree that the 1h is silly too. The only one that actually looks capable of blocking an overhead attack is the polearm one.
You would never have the strength to hold such a block up and everytime your own weapon would hit your face while you try to block :D
Just posting here to read the replies. Should be fun.im glad i posted something that is good enough for you too read. :D (or take notice in)
Have you SEEN the overhead block of 2h? That thing looks so ridiculous. Agree that the 1h is silly too. The only one that actually looks capable of blocking an overhead attack is the polearm one.
Katanas should be able to block projectiles and slice through sharks.
And uh.... Katanas should slice through huscarls. That's why the vikings did not conquer japan. amidoingitright?
Im pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
PS Trolls work better when it at least looks serious ^^
This design change is largely attributed to the use of plate armour as an effective defense, more or less nullifying the ability of a sword cut to break through the armour system. Instead of cutting, long swords were then used more to thrust against opponents in plate armour, requiring a more acute point and a more rigid blade.
The truth of the matter is that plate armour simply is not effectively cut with a sword's edge, in spite of what you will see portrayed in movies and at many Renn fairs. When it comes to armoured longsword combat, the thrust is paramount.
The katana, with its living tradition of practice, is well known for demonstrating its cutting power. Its single, hardened, wedge-like edge has long been shown to be capable of extraordinary sharpness. The longsword, which has not been practiced or studied for centuries, has not acquired a similar reputation. Indeed, its utility and cutting ability has suffered from considerable disregard by fencing historians and arms curators (despite historical accounts documenting its formidable edge blows having been corroborated by modern experiment). It is certain that both weapons successfully faced opponents wearing soft and hard armors without great difficulty. Nonetheless, a curved blade is mechanically superior to a straight one at delivering edge blows to produce injury. And due to its hardness, the single curving edge of the katana is very good at penetrating even hard materials with straight-on strikes.He doesn't mean that it can cut through plate.
Katana Thrower (called Katunna in japan) was the greastest weapon of Naval battles. When mongols tried to invade japan, most of their ships were destroyed by Katunnas. Those who made it to land were slashed by only single katana. And their head were put on Takanas. (Special pikes that were folded for 200 years)
yeah buff katana.Oh look - me pre-patch!(click to show/hide)
Thats it. Im sick of all this Useless spamitana bullshit thats going on in the CRPG system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what Im talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (thats about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. Im pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? Thats right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the CRPG system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
No hand ( Katana fly in the air with the mind telekinesis ) 250 Damage, 250 speed, crush-through, effective against shield ( cause if it's can cut solid platinum it's can cut through shield ) as well as dick size +10 for the holder.
When it's goes masterwork, it's should become a jedi light saber and the holder get the use of the Force from both side. So he can create force space-hole against Cruisers and use force thunders on his foes.
Mind rape will force anyone to suck his +10 dick too.
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, dont you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in CRPG, see my new stats suggestion
Ps : Sorry. Couldn't resist.
I love this new forum :D
No hand ( Katana fly in the air with the mind telekinesis ) 250 Damage, 250 speed, crush-through, effective against shield ( cause if it's can cut solid platinum it's can cut through shield ) as well as dick size +10 for the holder.Change "dick size +10" to "dick size -10" and I could happily live with those changes. :mrgreen:
Thats it. Im sick of all this Useless spamitana bullshit thats going on in the CRPG system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what Im talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (thats about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. Im pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? Thats right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the CRPG system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
No hand ( Katana fly in the air with the mind telekinesis ) 250 Damage, 250 speed, crush-through, effective against shield ( cause if it's can cut solid platinum it's can cut through shield ) as well as dick size +10 for the holder.
When it's goes masterwork, it's should become a jedi light saber and the holder get the use of the Force from both side. So he can create force space-hole against Cruisers and use force thunders on his foes.
Mind rape will force anyone to suck his +10 dick too.
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, dont you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in CRPG, see my new stats suggestion
Ps : Sorry. Couldn't resist.
This.
That video/gif is retarded. The other sword rests on a table, and therefore transfer the energy to the table in stead of bending. You could switch the swords and the result would be the euro sword bending.
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Durability - Durability in a fighting sword refers to its general tenacity and its resilience and in delivering blows and receiving impacts over time without breaking or becoming bent. Simply put, a blade that bends too easily will deform too often and build up strains that will lead to its eventual failure (if not hopelessly distort it first). A blade that does not deform would stand up to long term use better, provided its strength is not exceeded. The more resistant to brittle catastrophic failure a sword blade is, however, the more malleable it becomes - meaning the easier a bend will set in. In the most basic terms, a good cutting and thrusting sword blade needs to be able to spring somewhat or else it will snap too easily under stress. To achieve such characteristics indefinitely requires a heat-treatment and cross-section that permits this - one that, if overloaded, will deform slightly rather suffer a sudden total failure. This matter is separate from edge hardness. Toughness is necessary for maintaining a hard edge that can cut well, but a certain degree of "springiness" permits it to resist sudden fractures.
A blade needs strength to resist deformation but toughness to withstand cracking and chipping. A more ductile and pliable blade would have little strength (as it would deform too easily). But, an overly hard blade, while having great strength to resists deformation, would also have no "give." Rather than bend or stretch under stress it would fracture to the point of snapping. An ideal cutting and thrusting sword blade is therefore between these two extremes. Hardness and softness in a blade is a matter of heat-treating, such that it affects it to either bend very quickly under force or else over-flex until it breaks without bending at all. A blade's stiffness, by contrast is solely a matter of its cross-section and its thickness, not its tempering. Together, these factors will achieve a particular sword's intended qualities. Generally, the sword which was least "heat treated" (hardened) would be tougher, but not necessarily the most resistant to fatigue strain. But, hardness in a blade or edge will undergo stress, and stressed material is more susceptible to fracture.
A springier blade, such as on the longsword, is able to endure fatigue and abuse over longer periods. However, a more robust blade able to resist breaking will tolerate greater sudden stress as in cutting powerfully at more resistant materials, which the katana achieves. Katanas tended to be strong essentially because their thick blades and narrow edges were of laminated structures with a differential heat treatment. Katanas typically have a very good combination of strengths due to tensile versus compressive forces from the edge material actually being longer than the spine (forcing its natural curvature). But such hardness is possible on two-edge straight blades as well. The katana will cut soft objects very well with little fatigue/strength issues, but over time it will not handle massive impacts or lateral forces as due to the same heat treatment that gives it such a strong edge (but requires a softer back). Additionally, the fact is, the sharper and the harder an edge, the easier it chips and cracks from use (i.e., suffers brittle failures). A softer edge, by contrast, will fold and dull from use (ductile failures). The katana required more rigidity for its hard-cutting design, while for its utility the longsword was more of a spring. The katana's edge leaned towards more brittleness while its spine was more prone to bending. In both weapons, cross sectional shape compensated for weaknesses while capitalizing on strengths.
Flexibility, or the ability for a blade to deform but return true, though regularly exaggerated in modern times, was actually of very little concern for swords intended for serious combat, and does not enter into the criteria here. Surprisingly, metal fatigue caused by shock and vibrations were not great concerns on swords. While the durability factor is one that should be the easiest to determine categorically by empirical measurement, it is one that has the least information on which to draw firm conclusions. No practical tests have ever been done to record the overall comparative attributes (impact forces and hardnesses) of the different respective blades from either culture. Making generalized estimates is thus difficult. Modern replica swords are typically poor substitutes for the real historical specimens and anecdotal accounts of blade resilience or flexibility are not enough to go on.
Of all the categories to rate, durability is the one, which, arguably, there is the least understanding of among modern sword enthusiasts. We can dismiss the hype that occurs with regularity in cartoons and videogames featuring the katana as a virtual lightsaber cutting through cannons and tanks. Similarly, we can dismiss the ignorant assumptions of Victorian-era-inspired writers of the 20th century who viewed Medieval European swords through the strained prism of isolated experience with flimsy sporting swords.
No sword is indestructible. All are produced as perishable tools with a certain expected working lifetime. There is also evidence both swords styles were made in versions intended for armored combat and versions intended for unarmored combat. This further complicates efforts to discern any overall sturdiness in their design. Which blade historically could possibly be called the more durable in combat is then an exceptionally complex issue to address and perhaps unanswerable.
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PS Trolls work better when it at least looks serious ^^
Alright :twisted:
The point is that no swords cut through plate. That's why europeans developed swords better suited for thrusting. The design of the katana is for cutting.Quote from: WikipediaThis design change is largely attributed to the use of plate armour as an effective defense, more or less nullifying the ability of a sword cut to break through the armour system. Instead of cutting, long swords were then used more to thrust against opponents in plate armour, requiring a more acute point and a more rigid blade.Quote from: ARMAThe truth of the matter is that plate armour simply is not effectively cut with a sword's edge, in spite of what you will see portrayed in movies and at many Renn fairs. When it comes to armoured longsword combat, the thrust is paramount.Quote from: ARMAThe katana, with its living tradition of practice, is well known for demonstrating its cutting power. Its single, hardened, wedge-like edge has long been shown to be capable of extraordinary sharpness. The longsword, which has not been practiced or studied for centuries, has not acquired a similar reputation. Indeed, its utility and cutting ability has suffered from considerable disregard by fencing historians and arms curators (despite historical accounts documenting its formidable edge blows having been corroborated by modern experiment). It is certain that both weapons successfully faced opponents wearing soft and hard armors without great difficulty. Nonetheless, a curved blade is mechanically superior to a straight one at delivering edge blows to produce injury. And due to its hardness, the single curving edge of the katana is very good at penetrating even hard materials with straight-on strikes.He doesn't mean that it can cut through plate.
What ARMA is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Renaissance_Martial_Arts
Sources:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/armoredlongsword.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longsword
http://www.thearma.org/essays/longsword-and-katana.html(click to show/hide)
I think we use chadztanium and not steel after all, gunpowder does not exist in this Calradia...
Gief katanas no block! :mrgreen: (You can still chamber)
Katanas aren't brittle swords at all, mind you that blocking any exceptionally heavy weapon head on like in MB most weapons would not survive.Well, a lot of weapons are made of different types of steel. The fact the katana has a softer core and a harder edge doesn't make it much less brittle though. The sword won't shatter (as some believe it would), but such a hardened edge is very vulnerable to damage. Much more so than more flexible steel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related
Here you can see how the Katana and Longsword worked vs leather and plated armors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related
Here you can see how the Katana and Longsword worked vs leather and plated armors.
What a crapy test.Yes and in the ice test, if you look closely, the katana has a pre-made groove and longsword not. And the cutting test to the mannequin was unfair, longsword had to cut through 15cm wide area and katana only had to 'slice' the leather. (try cutting through paper with knife by just pressing it against the flat side of it and then by cutting it from the edge)
From 4:20min till the end the blade of the longsword was completly blunt.
Mind if I dont base my decision on a video hosted by a red neck :P?What are those light armors you speak of ? Peasants ? Well european light infantry also wore "light armors" that could've been cut through by both katanas and european swords. If you're talking decently equipped samurais, apart from the gaps (which european armors also had), i sincerely doubt a katana (or another sword) could easily cut through it.
There was no cutting to the large european swords when attacking plate, it was all about the immense weight and momentum of the sword crushing through the armour, breaking bones. Katanas are not capable of such crushing, they were designed for cutting through the light armours the Japanese used, against the plate a standard faithfully recreated katana would not break through heavy armour :/
What are those light armors you speak of ? Peasants ? Well european light infantry also wore "light armors" that could've been cut through by both katanas and european swords. If you're talking decently equipped samurais, apart from the gaps (which european armors also had), i sincerely doubt a katana (or another sword) could easily cut through it.
They used heavier weaponry on the battlefield, katana was more of a side weapon. You know that the japanese samurai, very much like european knights, had grappling techniques and a similar coupe de grace dagger for the finishing blow, just like their european colleagues ?
PS Trolls work better when it at least looks serious ^^
Alright :twisted:
The point is that no swords cut through plate. That's why europeans developed swords better suited for thrusting. The design of the katana is for cutting.Quote from: WikipediaThis design change is largely attributed to the use of plate armour as an effective defense, more or less nullifying the ability of a sword cut to break through the armour system. Instead of cutting, long swords were then used more to thrust against opponents in plate armour, requiring a more acute point and a more rigid blade.Quote from: ARMAThe truth of the matter is that plate armour simply is not effectively cut with a sword's edge, in spite of what you will see portrayed in movies and at many Renn fairs. When it comes to armoured longsword combat, the thrust is paramount.Quote from: ARMAThe katana, with its living tradition of practice, is well known for demonstrating its cutting power. Its single, hardened, wedge-like edge has long been shown to be capable of extraordinary sharpness. The longsword, which has not been practiced or studied for centuries, has not acquired a similar reputation. Indeed, its utility and cutting ability has suffered from considerable disregard by fencing historians and arms curators (despite historical accounts documenting its formidable edge blows having been corroborated by modern experiment). It is certain that both weapons successfully faced opponents wearing soft and hard armors without great difficulty. Nonetheless, a curved blade is mechanically superior to a straight one at delivering edge blows to produce injury. And due to its hardness, the single curving edge of the katana is very good at penetrating even hard materials with straight-on strikes.He doesn't mean that it can cut through plate.
What ARMA is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Renaissance_Martial_Arts
Sources:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/armoredlongsword.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longsword
http://www.thearma.org/essays/longsword-and-katana.html(click to show/hide)
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I'm still weaboo.
We all know the Katana is the best sword in history, it can cut through cars for god sake. This thread is pointless.
Seems legit.
pointless thread :D weeaboos will always shout out that the katana is the best most uberest weapon in history and that samurai were the coolest and most hardcore warriors ever to live. The Yumi is clearly superior to any other bow in history and they are the only warriors with honour.Not really, if you actually managed to read the posts in this topic, you'll find out that some people who know a thing or two about this have more or less objective opinions. Your post , however , is so unnecessary and cliche that it hurts my eyes. What are you , a lonely teenager who's trying to hang out with all the cool kids ? "Weeabooooos, boogity boogity boo, haha!" .
you cant argue with a weeaboo so why try :P
It is hard to make war with a small penis. Give the samurais some respect!
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Seems legit.
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Katanas were made of some of the best and dense steel in history. I think the average Katana was steel refolded a thousand times (increasing the density & Strength), compared to European swords that were less than 50.
There is no physical reason, if you had the physical strength, why a katana could not block larger & heavier weapons.