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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: POOPHAMMER on October 12, 2011, 10:39:22 pm
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Every single variation of the bardiche is unbalanced expect for this one. It is cheap, long, powerful and has decent speed for its stats.
Long Bardiche
weapon length: 140
weight: 3.5
difficulty: 17
speed rating: 89
weapon length: 140
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
Great Long Bardiche
weapon length: 155
weight: 3.8
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 87
weapon length: 155
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 46 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
Bardiche
weapon length: 102
weight: 3
difficulty: 14
speed rating: 91
weapon length: 102
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 43 cut
slots: 2
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
Great Bardiche
weapon length: 116
weight: 3.3
difficulty: 18
speed rating: 89
weapon length: 116
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 44 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield
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+1 for that. Suggestion: make a poll
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+1 for that. Suggestion: make a poll
done
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I never really thought about that, but I agree with ya after looking at the stats.
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Question. Aren't the Bardiches two handed (and thus unbalanced) while the Long Bardiches are polearm (thus only the "heavy" is unbalanced) and isn't one of them overhead/stab only?
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While we're at that, unbalance Scythe too.
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Question. Aren't the Bardiches two handed (and thus unbalanced) while the Long Bardiches are polearm (thus only the "heavy" is unbalanced) and isn't one of them overhead/stab only?
They attack in all ranges last I used them
While we're at that, unbalance Scythe too.
Unbalanced no, but it needs some kind of nerf
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This is 3rd long bardiche nerf thread, first was mine USA nooblet :P
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Question. Aren't the Bardiches two handed (and thus unbalanced) while the Long Bardiches are polearm (thus only the "heavy" is unbalanced)
Basically this. Leave it/them as they are, unless you remove all unbalanced from the 2-handed axes.
Edit: This won't nerf LUBU, give up.
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Basically this. Leave it/them as they are, unless you remove all unbalanced from the 2-handed axes.
Edit: This won't nerf LUBU, give up.
HAHA. Especially when he uses 3 to 9001 different polearms.
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They attack in all ranges last I used them
Unbalanced no, but it needs some kind of nerf
K. I don't use them myself, I just remembered someone making a whine thread because they had "ruined" his precious weapon by making it 2 attack direction.
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who da fuck is lubu
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DISCLAIMER: I use a Mighty Long Bardiche exclusively
Seriously, I often play for HOURS with seeing anyone using this weapon, or the GLB for that matter. Yes, LUBU friggin owns with it, but he would (and does) own with every weapon.
My arguments against this idea:
-Do you REALLY want every pole user to use a Bec? Because that's the direction it's been heading for the last year. Some damn weapon variety would be nice. 2H is already twice as popular as pole, and those remaining pole users mostly have Becs now.
-The Long Bardiche is just a Poleaxe that trades 13 thrust damage for 6 swing damage. Every Poleaxe user knows the thrust is the killer feature of their weapon, and the Long Bardiche has less thrust than most peasant weapons. Should the various Poleaxes be unbalanced too?
-Even with it's 140 length, the greatswords still outreach the Long Bardiche on 75% of swing types, so it's not like it's even one of the longer weapons on the battlefield (with almost everyone carrying a greatsword lately).
-Bonus vs. shield is hardly worth a damn. Every shielder just blocks me once, then is in my face hacking away like a food processor before I can even land a second hit on their shield. I generally only beat decent shielders if I can land a kick. Crushthrough is how you beat shielders, bonus vs. shield is almost a gimmick. Good 2Hers just footwork shielders to kill them, and never even hit the shield.
My solution? Buff the German Poleaxe, Elegant Poleaxe, Great Long Bardiche, Great Long Axe, and the 2H axes/bardiches. Don't nerf a weapon that is already rarely used.
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DISCLAIMER: I use a Mighty Long Bardiche exclusively
Seriously, I often play for HOURS with seeing anyone using this weapon, or the GLB for that matter. Yes, LUBU friggin owns with it, but he would (and does) own with every weapon.
My arguments against this idea:
-Do you REALLY want every pole user to use a Bec? Because that's the direction it's been heading for the last year. Some damn weapon variety would be nice. 2H is already twice as popular as pole, and those remaining pole users mostly have Becs now.
-The Long Bardiche is just a Poleaxe that trades 13 thrust damage for 6 swing damage. Every Poleaxe user knows the thrust is the killer feature of their weapon, and the Long Bardiche has less thrust than most peasant weapons. Should the various Poleaxes be unbalanced too?
-Even with it's 140 length, the greatswords still outreach the Long Bardiche on 75% of swing types, so it's not like it's even one of the longer weapons on the battlefield (with almost everyone carrying a greatsword lately).
-Bonus vs. shield is hardly worth a damn. Every shielder just blocks me once, then is in my face hacking away like a food processor before I can even land a second hit on their shield. I generally only beat decent shielders if I can land a kick. Crushthrough is how you beat shielders, bonus vs. shield is almost a gimmick. Good 2Hers just footwork shielders to kill them, and never even hit the shield.
My solution? Buff the German Poleaxe, Elegant Poleaxe, Great Long Bardiche, Great Long Axe, and the 2H axes/bardiches. Don't nerf a weapon that is already rarely used.
You can thank both the recent armor changes and the consecutive nerfs to agi for the lack of veriety.
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who da fuck is lubu
He rapes people with no lubu