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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: chadz on February 02, 2011, 07:26:09 pm

Title: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: chadz on February 02, 2011, 07:26:09 pm
What is WSE?

WSE (Warband Script Enhancer) is, to make it easy, an exe that you run while starting warband. It's done by cmpxchg8b and it's available here:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,151194.0.html

What's the advantage?
In short: nothing is hardcoded any more. We could change anything thats "hardcoded", be it skill effects, be it additional / removed HUD elements, be it more animations, nearly everything is possible.

Whenever you heard it's hardcoded - it could be circumvented by this.

So what is your opinion about it?
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Post by: bruce on February 02, 2011, 07:27:29 pm
Great, finally a way to change hardcoded stuff.
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Post by: Earthdforce on February 02, 2011, 07:28:16 pm
I don't see anything wrong with it!
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Post by: gazda on February 02, 2011, 07:30:58 pm
i dont know what does this Q&A applies to

Does this work with every Warband version?
No. Currently it only works with Warband 1.134 (both game and dedicated server). Steam support is in the works.

so does this mean it doesnt work for somone who has steam version of game?
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Post by: Phyrex on February 02, 2011, 07:31:05 pm
So... banner and item limit could be removed with this... thing? :P
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Post by: Belmont on February 02, 2011, 07:33:41 pm
Voted yes, the benefits far surpass any possible nuisances.
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Post by: chadz on February 02, 2011, 07:35:33 pm
so does this mean it doesnt work for somone who has steam version of game?

It would only be added when Steam is supported, which should be the case soon enough.

I'm just predicting, but it would probably be delivered with future versions of the mod that are in an exe unzipper anyway - it would just add another link to your desktop that you have to run, instead of the normal warband link.
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Post by: DrKronic on February 02, 2011, 07:38:11 pm
No steam support scares me since evil steam will update me past current version eventually then we have to update WSE if it updates

I guess compatibility problems arise in my mind

In theory it sounds good but I voted no until its steam usable and I still fear auto updates thru steam could make me incompatible to cRPG at some point

I predict however overwhelming support because of "changing hardcoding"
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Post by: Ujin on February 02, 2011, 07:42:36 pm
I hate you . Go for it.

P.S. ironflesh =   +3 hp ?
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Post by: Joelturuz on February 02, 2011, 07:44:25 pm
Would that allow another spear animation to be implemented along with the current one?
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Post by: Dexxtaa on February 02, 2011, 07:45:49 pm
In order to have a regulated community as far as mods and changes go, I think it should be a mandatory thing.

Having it included with the regular cRPG folders etc really wouldn't be too tough, I'd imagine.
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 02, 2011, 08:19:26 pm
what could speak against it? Is cpu usage higher? Not much, i guess and other than that I could think of nothing against it.
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Post by: Ganon on February 02, 2011, 08:21:40 pm
I trust you enough to not put some troian in there, so yeah sure why not ? It would help to fix alot of hardcoded stuff.
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Post by: Dexxtaa on February 02, 2011, 08:25:14 pm
I trust you enough to not put some troian in there, so yeah sure why not ?

SHHHH don't give him ideas!
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Post by: Xant on February 02, 2011, 08:25:54 pm
Yeah, what's the catch here?

"Would you guys mind if I put in this awesome feature with no drawbacks?"
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Post by: Punisher on February 02, 2011, 08:27:35 pm
Great, I don't see any downsides but don't release it until it's compatible with the steam version as at least half of us have Warband on steam.
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Post by: Tai Feng on February 02, 2011, 08:31:09 pm
Sounds good.
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Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on February 02, 2011, 08:49:21 pm
Honestly, I don't understand it enough to make a decision. Would this allow things like beheading and other graphical ehnahncements?

My one concern is would this make things more hackable? I'd be worried about scripts to make manual blocking or swings automatic. Or maybe this stuff is already possible. I dunno, I'd have to know more about it.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: UrLukur on February 02, 2011, 09:32:14 pm
What is WSE?

WSE (Warband Script Enhancer) is, to make it easy, an exe that you run while starting warband. It's done by cmpxchg8b and it's available here:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,151194.0.html

What's the advantage?
In short: nothing is hardcoded any more. We could change anything thats "hardcoded", be it skill effects, be it additional / removed HUD elements, be it more animations, nearly everything is possible.

Whenever you heard it's hardcoded - it could be circumvented by this.

So what is your opinion about it?

good idea! but cmp is fishy.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Xant on February 02, 2011, 09:37:55 pm
The fishiest of them all.
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Post by: UrLukur on February 02, 2011, 09:38:41 pm
The fishiest of them all.

Women? Anyway, chadz seems more fishy than cmp.
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Post by: Meensai on February 02, 2011, 10:54:09 pm
Like! Do it! :D
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Post by: NuberT on February 02, 2011, 11:15:39 pm
so, there is no risk of cheating with this tool?

then I am fine :)
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Post by: Tristan on February 02, 2011, 11:18:44 pm
As long as it runs with steam..
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Post by: Alex_C on February 02, 2011, 11:27:53 pm
I am totally against this! It contravenes even our most basic human rights and if this is added to the mod I will try and find any way possible to sue the developers!

I will not let this travesty continue, you have all been warned!

I predict your entire player-base will do DaveUKR-style rage-quits, don't you care about the community at all?!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: UrLukur on February 02, 2011, 11:41:19 pm
(click to show/hide)

I predict your entire player-base will do DaveUKR-style rage-quits, don't you care about the community at all?!

(click to show/hide)

Dave came back.
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Post by: Belatu on February 02, 2011, 11:54:04 pm
Dont ask, just do it
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Post by: Nindur on February 02, 2011, 11:59:43 pm
I think there is something that chadz is not telling us. If nothing but good and creative things can come of this, why bother to ask our opinions?
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Post by: Gorath on February 03, 2011, 12:07:39 am
Big fuck yeah from me.  The ability to change hardcoded shit is awesome.  Perhaps finally a 2nd thrust animation for spear and shield, perhaps getting animations and adding double tapped dodging?!?!?!??!  w0000000t.
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Post by: cutsomecheesewithmybow on February 03, 2011, 12:23:43 am
Coming next patch: We added an on_hit trigger that fires when someone got hit by a katana. The damage receiving agent will be cut into two regardless of the armor because it's well known that katana cut through everything at ease. Also, upblock or downblock with a katana defends against arrows, bolts and throwing weapons. Blocking to the sides will protect from getting overrun by a horse when katanaist turns in a way to bring his sword between himself and the beast. The horse will be split entirely during a successful block.
A prophet!
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Rapture on February 03, 2011, 12:45:12 am
I'm for this, but the only concern I have is the same others have expressed, that of being Steam compatible and/or it breaking the game for Steam users every time a Warband update is put out until WSE is updated correspondingly.
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Post by: Michael on February 03, 2011, 12:49:45 am
I have no idea what you Nerds are talking about.

If this is needed one day to play crpg, maybe someone (not Shawn, Werren, chadz or cmp) could write a short guide that normal people might understand if they study it carefully for about 3 weeks. Thanks in advance.
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Post by: Xant on February 03, 2011, 12:51:21 am
Don't do it, chadz! My sources have just told me that this is all just a clever ruse that cmpx is using to take over cRPG. He'll sneak in some dirty code and before you know it we'll be bowing before cmpx instead of chadz. And he's a harsh mistress.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: MrExxc on February 03, 2011, 12:57:31 am
I have no idea what you Nerds are talking about.

If this is needed one day to play crpg, maybe someone (not Shawn, Werren, chadz or cmp) could write a short guide that normal people might understand if they study it carefully for about 3 weeks. Thanks in advance.

+1
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Post by: Rogue on February 03, 2011, 01:07:44 am
Go for it! Even if Steam is not supported initially, getting your Serial # from Steam and downloading the game from taleworlds.com is easy.
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Post by: ShinySpoons on February 03, 2011, 01:31:25 am
doooooooooooooo ittttttttttttttttttttttttttt
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Post by: Tai Feng on February 03, 2011, 01:33:36 am
Go for it! Even if Steam is not supported initially, getting your Serial # from Steam and downloading the game from taleworlds.com is easy.

It would decrease the player population since some are computer illiterate. Just a note.
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Post by: cmp on February 03, 2011, 01:52:01 am
Steam is already supported, but I have to remove the ability to connect to VAC servers (and get VAC banned) before its released.
For those concerned about game updates breaking compatibility - as far as I know Warband has reached the end of its patching cycle.
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Post by: Miley on February 03, 2011, 01:53:12 am
What is hardcoded?
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Post by: Christo on February 03, 2011, 01:54:32 am
Do eeeeeeeeeht.  :wink:
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Post by: Ronish on February 03, 2011, 01:57:40 am
Steam compatibility is a must. Also, you can turn off steam auto-updates, so future versions don't screw things up. I support this.
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Post by: Tristan on February 03, 2011, 04:14:26 am
Moar banners, no accuracy increase with powerthrow etc. etc.

The real question is:

chadz, do you want it? This will increase the amount of work for your mod :D
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Post by: Madcat on February 03, 2011, 10:32:51 am
When it gets steam support, do it!
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Post by: Vibe on February 03, 2011, 10:55:42 am
I say yes! One step closer to complete game revamp!
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Post by: B3RS3RK on February 03, 2011, 12:52:40 pm
When it gets steam support, do it!

^this.

No hardcoded stuff would mean really nice possibilities.I cant even count the ideas we had on the forums which were awesome but not possible to implement because of "hardcoded stuff".

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Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on February 03, 2011, 01:46:34 pm
My face is so full of happy at this idea.
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Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 03, 2011, 02:26:42 pm
Sounds great as long as it doesn't make much more lag and isn't a hassle to set up.
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Post by: Murmillus_Prime on February 03, 2011, 03:08:15 pm
 I feel uneasy about a merc making the file for everyone, am I justified in anyway feeling this way, or just being paranoid?
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Post by: Alex_C on February 03, 2011, 03:16:31 pm
I feel uneasy about a merc making the file for everyone, am I justified in anyway feeling this way, or just being paranoid?
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Post by: v/onMega on February 03, 2011, 03:21:51 pm
Hax incoming.

Nr. 2 on my wishlist is MORE GORE AND FYLING LIMBS/HEADS.
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Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on February 03, 2011, 03:30:01 pm
I feel uneasy about a merc making the file for everyone, am I justified in anyway feeling this way, or just being paranoid?

Good point. Next they'll be telling us that there are Mercs doing scene editing, or Mercs making items for the shop, or Mercs being made admin, or Mercs being moderators, or Mercs being in the Dev team, or Mercs posting in the forums, or Mercs whispering in chadz's ear to buff the Mercs, or Mercs doing other things that Mercs should never be allowed to do.

You are completely justified in your feelings. As soon as you let one Merc do something, they'll all want to. Like lemmings. Or Seagulls. Or fashion conscious teens.

So, I say no to this being included. I'm with Murmillus. As soon as something like this happens, then all the Mercs will be making files for everyone. And Then Where Would We Be?
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Post by: UrLukur on February 03, 2011, 03:42:19 pm
Good point. Next they'll be telling us that there are Mercs doing scene editing, or Mercs making items for the shop, or Mercs being made admin, or Mercs being moderators, or Mercs being in the Dev team, or Mercs posting in the forums, or Mercs whispering in chadz's ear to buff the Mercs, or Mercs doing other things that Mercs should never be allowed to do.

You are completely justified in your feelings. As soon as you let one Merc do something, they'll all want to. Like lemmings. Or Seagulls. Or fashion conscious teens.

So, I say no to this being included. I'm with Murmillus. As soon as something like this happens, then all the Mercs will be making files for everyone. And Then Where Would We Be?

You are right, i  feel we are doomed. I suggest banning merc or at least prevent them from hacking the files. I smell conspiracy.
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Post by: Murmillus_Prime on February 03, 2011, 03:44:56 pm
Good point. Next they'll be telling us that there are Mercs doing scene editing, or Mercs making items for the shop, or Mercs being made admin, or Mercs being moderators, or Mercs being in the Dev team, or Mercs posting in the forums, or Mercs whispering in chadz's ear to buff the Mercs, or Mercs doing other things that Mercs should never be allowed to do.

You are completely justified in your feelings. As soon as you let one Merc do something, they'll all want to. Like lemmings. Or Seagulls. Or fashion conscious teens.

So, I say no to this being included. I'm with Murmillus. As soon as something like this happens, then all the Mercs will be making files for everyone. And Then Where Would We Be?

I'm more concerned about whether the program would compromise personal computer security than anything else, if my fears are unjustified then I'll not be worried.
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Post by: Ganon on February 03, 2011, 03:50:05 pm
Of course the evil mercs will spy on you and find out what you are all doing in strategus, while being immune to spies themselves because they can well, check a spy's pc and see who he really is. Then they will upload child porn to his pc and call the fbi.
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Post by: Vygar on February 03, 2011, 06:02:28 pm
I think this is a fabulous idea and I plan on using this tool for my own project.
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Post by: Leshma on February 03, 2011, 07:26:21 pm
I'm using Steam. Until that's fixed and compatibility is 100% I say no. I like the idea but if that's gonna make me unable to play c-rpg I must state my opinion which is negative.
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Post by: krampe on February 03, 2011, 07:28:50 pm
You can download a copy from taleworlds and use your steam serial to play it and cmpx already mentioned it is close to be usable with steam anyway.
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Post by: Krath on February 03, 2011, 07:42:15 pm
As long as it doesn't cause VAC ban on Steam, then sure, why not?

EDIT:
Actually no. It's just not needed.
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Post by: Madcat on February 03, 2011, 07:51:03 pm
As long as it doesn't cause VAC ban on Steam, then sure, why not?

EDIT:
Actually no. It's just not needed.

But think of all the improvements that could be made. All of the stuff people have asked for years
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Post by: Balton on February 03, 2011, 07:59:02 pm
Over 75% for yes to mandatory, seems like a clear winner.
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Post by: Krath on February 03, 2011, 08:01:33 pm
But think of all the improvements that could be made. All of the stuff people have asked for years
Well, I might just need to see what it does:) Shouldn't be required at first though, optional - yes, but not mandatory.
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Post by: Rumblood on February 03, 2011, 08:06:46 pm
With Fire and Sword is coming out in the Spring.

Does this mod have enough life to justify the work? Will chadz be looking to mod for With Fire and Sword?

Questions begging to be answered.
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Post by: Xant on February 03, 2011, 08:20:52 pm
People, people. Mercs will just improve the quality of your life. All the increased surveillance will be to ensure your safety.
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Post by: Engine on February 03, 2011, 08:30:33 pm
With Fire and Sword is coming out in the Spring.

Does this mod have enough life to justify the work? Will chadz be looking to mod for With Fire and Sword?

Questions begging to be answered.

Very good point! If we'll all be migrating to a cRPG on a newer M&B, why bother including the WSE now?
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 03, 2011, 08:56:41 pm
I would not expect too much from fire and sword especially in multiplayer. As far as I know its developed by a third party, not TW, and will mainly focus on embedding M&B into that novel and professional adding firearms. Single play could be great, with more quests and atmosphere but combat game mechanics will be roughly the same, so I would stick to Warband in multiplayer in general and with crpg as well.
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Post by: Bjord on February 03, 2011, 09:20:05 pm
Definite yes.

+1 to WSE!
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Post by: Sir Perd on February 03, 2011, 09:51:07 pm
A definite no. I can so see cheating and hacking coming out of this.
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Post by: Burr1ck on February 03, 2011, 10:09:20 pm
Hell yes  :mrgreen:! Looking forward to future developements to cRPG, great job cmp!
Btw, please tell us whether or not WSE will cause performance hits. if so; how much?
Thanks.
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Post by: Xant on February 03, 2011, 10:15:22 pm
Seriously, now. Why is this thread even here? We have no reason to say no...

Maybe chadz is just looking for some love after all the hate! We wuvs you, chadzy!
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Post by: Michael on February 03, 2011, 10:49:15 pm
Sounds great as long as it doesn't make much more lag and isn't a hassle to set up.



For some reasons crpg is for some people more laggy than native.

cmp is trustworthy, but an extra program running will, most likely, cause even more delay, especially for those poor souls with old computers and horrible internet connection.
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Post by: Madcat on February 04, 2011, 01:32:54 am


For some reasons crpg is for some people more laggy than native.

cmp is trustworthy, but an extra program running will, most likely, cause even more delay, especially for those poor souls with old computers and horrible internet connection.


I don't see why you could assume such a thing
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Post by: EponiCo on February 04, 2011, 01:52:59 am
It's very simple, when there are good features added through it (as opposed to only possible), include it, otherwise keep it optional.
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Post by: Rumblood on February 04, 2011, 02:11:47 am
I would not expect too much from fire and sword especially in multiplayer. As far as I know its developed by a third party, not TW, and will mainly focus on embedding M&B into that novel and professional adding firearms. Single play could be great, with more quests and atmosphere but combat game mechanics will be roughly the same, so I would stick to Warband in multiplayer in general and with crpg as well.

Actually you should go look again. Multiplayer is adding quite a few new multiplayer game types including.....Captain Team Death Match. You get your own squad of 4-16 NPC's to run around with and kill other Captains with their squads of NPC's. Not a whole lot of info to be found yet, but what I saw was tantalizing indeed  :wink:
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 04, 2011, 10:13:19 am
Actually you should go look again. Multiplayer is adding quite a few new multiplayer game types including.....Captain Team Death Match. You get your own squad of 4-16 NPC's to run around with and kill other Captains with their squads of NPC's. Not a whole lot of info to be found yet, but what I saw was tantalizing indeed  :wink:
sounds fun! but nonetheless I expect combat mechanics to be nearly the same. And this is crucial for the decision if to move crpg to another game. Adding a similiar or other game modes to crpg is possible and will happen as I heard. And stealing ideas (even scripts?) from fire and sword for mods will be probably no problem. We will see when its published. But its defenitely no reason to delay implementation of this WSE, IMO.
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Post by: Ginosaji on February 04, 2011, 10:22:03 am
As long as you don't run into troubles with WSE (depending on the implementation it may be considered an illegal hack) and you think that it will add something to gameplay and it doesn't mean that some players can't join cRPG anymore (Steam, prehistoric hardware, religion forbids it, ...) I'd say.. Do what you think is the best for your mod :)
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Post by: Leshma on February 04, 2011, 12:54:01 pm
I'm using Steam. Until that's fixed and compatibility is 100% I say no. I like the idea but if that's gonna make me unable to play c-rpg I must state my opinion which is negative.

I've rethinked this and I vote yes.

I'm aware that this will probably force me to play non-steam version of Warband (I like Steam because internal browser which helps waiting for round to end). But if there is possibility that use of this tool will bring us a full game done exclusively by irc:// team, I'm all for it. Messing with hardcoded stuff will help your understanding of game design and maybe in few years you'll make a standalone game like Red Orchestra makers did  :)
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Post by: Olwen on February 04, 2011, 12:54:58 pm
hate you, still
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Post by: Krakatit on February 04, 2011, 02:43:48 pm
I voted for it. Anything to make your work easier :) But dont hack into my internet banking account  :evil:
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Post by: Kafein on February 04, 2011, 05:52:26 pm
Yes but :

- Is it legal ? (I allready know the answer otherwise it wouldn't even be suggested)
- Will it conflict with firewalls/routers ?
- Will it make cheating easier ?
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Post by: Zisa on February 04, 2011, 07:10:22 pm
Will you be able to add more character actions, such as, climbing, crawling, ducking, etc.?

Fix things like fog that gets disabled by some?

I voted yes anyhow.
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Post by: POOPHAMMER on February 04, 2011, 07:19:54 pm
Will you be able to add more character actions, such as, climbing, crawling, ducking, etc.?

Fix things like fog that gets disabled by some?

I voted yes anyhow.

For the love of god, no
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Post by: Joker86 on February 04, 2011, 07:40:17 pm
Fall damage for unhorsed riders, knocking off riders from their (living) horses, etc. is what I would like to see. Next to some nice cut off animations for limbs, etc.

Stabbing with spears into 4 directions would be nice, too.
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Post by: Dexxtaa on February 04, 2011, 08:07:42 pm
Fall damage for unhorsed riders, knocking off riders from their (living) horses, etc. is what I would like to see. Next to some nice cut off animations for limbs, etc.

Stabbing with spears into 4 directions would be nice, too.

DISMEMBERMENT

2% chance of dismemberment on killing blow on damaged limb.
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Post by: Madcat on February 04, 2011, 09:04:34 pm
Able to hit more then one person in a single swing
Walking down a hill should be faster then walking up a hill
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Post by: Joker86 on February 04, 2011, 09:19:51 pm
STAMINA  :shock:

Item weight now actually having an impact  bigger than slowing you down a bit!

And: sprinting and crouching! Two moves I missed badly  :?
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Post by: Nemeth on February 04, 2011, 10:39:45 pm
Yeah, that's why I think it's not that good idea. Hardcoded stuff are hardcoded for reason (even though they seem stupid, the game still works just fine), I'm afraid with this addition, all the shit people are suggesting in here will actually get implemented at some point and the mod will be unplayable. But if chadz can keep his enthusiasm in check and don't implement every stupid idea people shout out they want, I'm ok with it I guess.
I just don't see this as only positive thing.
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Post by: cmp on February 04, 2011, 11:37:06 pm
Yeah, that's why I think it's not that good idea. Hardcoded stuff are hardcoded for reason (even though they seem stupid, the game still works just fine), I'm afraid with this addition, all the shit people are suggesting in here will actually get implemented at some point and the mod will be unplayable. But if chadz can keep his enthusiasm in check and don't implement every stupid idea people shout out they want, I'm ok with it I guess.
I just don't see this as only positive thing.

Don't worry - we're not planning to do that. As easy as it sounds, implementing many of the features suggested in here would take weeks, if not months of reverse-engineering and coding.
Besides, we're more interested in tweaking and overcoming some of the engine's limitations, not completely changing game mechanics.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on February 05, 2011, 12:09:25 am
Don't worry - we're not planning to do that. As easy as it sounds, implementing many of the features suggested in here would take weeks, if not months of reverse-engineering and coding.
Besides, we're more interested in tweaking and overcoming some of the engine's limitations, not completely changing game mechanics.

Anything specific you can mention? Or more "what about this, guyz!?" then six months later we get a mysterious patch.

Also, no one addressed the issue of the ease of cheating with this. Would it make it easier for any programmer to get into the guts of this game and turn god mode on?
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: cmp on February 05, 2011, 12:13:38 am
Also, no one addressed the issue of the ease of cheating with this. Would it make it easier for any programmer to get into the guts of this game and turn god mode on?

Not really, no. The important stuff is done server-side, while minor hacks (wallhacks, camera hacks, map hacks, ...) can be made already without the need for additional tools.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Nemeth on February 05, 2011, 01:21:55 am
Don't worry - we're not planning to do that. As easy as it sounds, implementing many of the features suggested in here would take weeks, if not months of reverse-engineering and coding.
Besides, we're more interested in tweaking and overcoming some of the engine's limitations, not completely changing game mechanics.

As long as that's the case I'm all for it then.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Jacko on February 05, 2011, 09:47:02 am
What's not to like?

DO IT!
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Lamix on February 05, 2011, 04:06:48 pm
There's been a lot of talk of steam issues well there is one solution, that would be to convert you're steam key into a non steam key, the only problem with this is it would probably not leave you with access to you're chars on cRPG, I'm not totally sure but i assume it checks you're cd-key for you're characters Dev feedback on this issue? but this would leave you open to running the game without steam.

Don't Use This Unless You Don't Mind Losing You're Crpg Characters.
http://www.taleworlds.com/main.aspx?dir=convertserial.aspx (http://www.taleworlds.com/main.aspx?dir=convertserial.aspx)
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,155134.0.html (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,155134.0.html) =Forum post
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Tristan on February 05, 2011, 05:20:18 pm
There's been a lot of talk of steam issues well there is one solution, that would be to convert you're steam key into a non steam key, the only problem with this is it would probably not leave you with access to you're chars on cRPG, I'm not totally sure but i assume it checks you're cd-key for you're characters Dev feedback on this issue? but this would leave you open to running the game without steam.

Don't Use This Unless You Don't Mind Losing You're Crpg Characters.
http://www.taleworlds.com/main.aspx?dir=convertserial.aspx (http://www.taleworlds.com/main.aspx?dir=convertserial.aspx)
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,155134.0.html (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,155134.0.html) =Forum post

The solution of this is not for half the cRPG community to lose their characters. Cmpetc seems to have found steam compability.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Socrates on February 05, 2011, 08:09:47 pm
Always been watching WSE on Taleworlds forum. It's a powerful addon to Warband for mods and should be used.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Puerco on February 05, 2011, 08:18:54 pm
So this means..no-HUD and no-chat options? Thank you!

Is there a non-donkey guide to use that program?
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 16, 2011, 07:26:00 am
I'm hell in favor of it. A new top strike spear animation over the top of your shield would be sweet as. Could create a whole new way of being a dick with a shield! I love it!
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Cyclopsided on June 16, 2011, 07:34:16 am
Level 10 necromancer, it is unbeatable

/real note: Has there been any progress? Update please.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on June 16, 2011, 02:38:03 pm
I agree with the resounding majority. However you devs must be careful not to go too far. If you try to release trillions of new features at once, it would lead to major game inbalances and even more whining. Take it one step at a time.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Dezilagel on June 16, 2011, 02:41:27 pm
I agree with the resounding majority. However you devs must be careful not to go too far. If you try to release trillions of new features at once, it would lead to major game inbalances and even more whining. Take it one step at a time.

^
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Butan on June 16, 2011, 03:43:39 pm
I agree with the resounding majority. However you devs must be careful not to go too far. If you try to release trillions of new features at once, it would lead to major game inbalances and even more whining. Take it one step at a time.



Mob hates, dev works.

Go for it !
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: ManOfWar on June 16, 2011, 04:05:00 pm
Sweet
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Polobow on June 16, 2011, 04:22:06 pm
Can't you include this in the cRPG original download? And when you don't run it, make an error say it.
Title: Re: cRPG + WSE - voice your opinion.
Post by: Lord_Panos on June 16, 2011, 04:28:16 pm
I voted the 1st option cause i would like to add my OWN colour to MY gear.