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Title: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 06, 2011, 07:20:54 pm
Huh, don't know what his problem was, or is, but was following goretooth into a tower and then kicked a little peasant dude near him(unintentionally) and then gore teamhit me. Don't care much about that, but, after that Gore decided he'd try and fight the peasant and the other guy. He ended up tking them both. (You can also see the health gore took off of me from his overhead bec). I think Gore hit one of the others or whatever and they started defending themselves. In one pick you see the guy blocking gore and then going back to hit him back.

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Pictures in reverse order.

Alll done Yesterday.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: SeQuel on October 06, 2011, 07:58:48 pm
2 day ban, stop tk'in goretooth, its not allowed under any circumstances.

See no enemies around, there for I don't see how it would be accidental, especially 2 in a row. Intentional team killing.

STREET JUSTICE.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Penitent on October 06, 2011, 09:13:44 pm
oh noes a peasant died!

I'm going to tell you a story.  When I was a little kid, I would swim in the pool with my brother all summer.  We would play, swim around, throw little floatie things around, whatever.  Sometimes he would splash me.  I didn't like getting splashed.  Sometimes the water would get in my eyes and it was uncomfortable.  I asked him to stop, and he did for a while, but then kept splashing.  I didn't want to splash fight, I just wanted to swim around.  Eventually my pleas to halt his splashing only egged him on more and more. 

In my frustration, I called out to my father, "Dad!  He's splashing me!"  It was the only weapon left in my arsenal.  I didn't know how to make him stop!  My father looked at me with that goofy smile he was always known for.  He said, "Well...splash him back!"
I did.  Eventually my brother got sick of getting splashed back, and I was never harassed like that again.

It was a valuable lesson.

I'm not condoning vigilante justice or anything like that.  That would lead to all kinds of problems and dangers in society.  What I am saying that if someone does something as harmless as getting a little chlorinated water in your eyes, its ok to laugh it off instead of being a whiny little kid.

 :P
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 06, 2011, 10:19:51 pm
Does not matter what you condone or don't condone. Official servers use official rules, regardless of your personal opinion or that of a game administrator.

Don't grief.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: PhantomZero on October 07, 2011, 04:28:43 pm
Goretooth has been teamwounded or TK'd, both during and after the round, by Anders.

He ends up with several crossbow bolts in him that typically came from Anders, this is hard to prove but it can be no doubt they are friendly bolts and when the only crossbowman nearby is Anders, not hard to tell. With his ability to scoot away after shooting from horseback, his trolling technique is enhanced as when people go to turn around nobody is there.

I've witnessed it once, and Goretooth claims it has happened several times and I can believe that.

It is easy to see he just blew up after several days of intentional teamwounding and TKing, if Goretooth is banned for 2 days then Anders should be too.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: BADPLAYERold on October 07, 2011, 05:05:21 pm
I've seen Anders trying to provoke Goretooth by shooting him at the end of rounds, trolling him in chat, shooting into melee's that he is obviously going to win and hitting him ect. Doesn't excuse Goretooth tking people but maybe Anders should be watched carefully by some admins.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 05:06:19 pm
Goretooth has been teamwounded or TK'd by Anders, both during and after the round, by Anders.

He ends up with several crossbow bolts in him that typically came from Anders, this is hard to prove but it can be no doubt they are friendly bolts and when the only crossbowman nearby is Anders, not hard to tell. With his ability to scoot away after shooting from horseback, his trolling technique is enhanced as when people go to turn around nobody is there.

I've witnessed it once, and Goretooth claims it has happened several times and I can believe that.

It is easy to see he just blew up after several days of intentional teamwounding and TKing, if Goretooth is banned for 2 days then Anders should be too.

Huh.  If you wish to believe that, fine. Not once did i tk gore intentionally. Go look at logs and you'll see that the 1 time it was done was right after the rounds end. Not only that, but, on that map I don't use the horse. I camped in the tower the entire time that map.

Also, Phantom, you see gore, and the others duking it out. Not ONCE do i actually hit him during the entire thing. I never said ban JUST gore, but I said Gore and others. I Almost see this as a vendetta because gore has been known to do this, even as an admin back on community servers.

If anything, Gore should have made another post detailing his innocence rather than having YOU open this thread. Breach of your power there, i say. Let him say what he wants himself.

Also, why don't you guys check logs, hmmm? I rarely talk in game.

Also, I claim bias support for 2 reasons.
1) Phantom and Bad both ride horsies and I specifically go for horsies as a mounted ranged player.
2) Both are LLJK and will stick for their friends(And I do not fault them for it)
3) Niether of you were on that map, if I am correct, but don't quote me.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Goretooth on October 07, 2011, 05:14:10 pm
Huh.  If you wish to believe that, fine. Not once did i tk gore intentionally. Go look at logs and you'll see that the 1 time it was done was right after the rounds end. Not only that, but, on that map I don't use the horse. I camped in the tower the entire time that map.

Also, Phantom, you see gore, and the others duking it out. Not ONCE do i actually hit him during the entire thing. I never said ban JUST gore, but I said Gore and others. I Almost see this as a vendetta because gore has been known to do this, even as an admin back on community servers.

If anything, Gore should have made another post detailing his innocence rather than having YOU open this thread. Breach of your power there, i say. Let him say what he wants himself.

Also, why don't you guys check logs, hmmm? I rarely talk in game.

Also, I claim bias support for 2 reasons.
1) Phantom and Bad both ride horsies and I specifically go for horsies as a mounted ranged player.
2) Both are LLJK and will stick for their friends(And I do not fault them for it)
3) Niether of you were on that map, if I am correct, but don't quote me.
Your screen shot shows phantom was in the server at the time. you've been team wounding, frieldy horse bumping, and tking me for a week. Those two players came to defend you after you tried to kick me off the wall so i attacked you. They saw me attacking you and i defend myself against those two. In your first post you say you were following me and then kicked a peasant next to me? why? although it was me who you were kicking.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: PhantomZero on October 07, 2011, 05:15:15 pm
If anything, Gore should have made another post detailing his innocence rather than having YOU open this thread. Breach of your power there, i say. Let him say what he wants himself.

3) Niether of you were on that map, if I am correct, but don't quote me.

I didn't open the thread, someone asked me to come make a post since I saw you hit Goretooth in the back with a bolt, I didn't know it had been closed

In one of your screenshots it clearly says LLJK_PhantomZero as being killed.

Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 05:21:46 pm
Your screen shot shows phantom was in the server at the time. you've been team wounding, frieldy horse bumping, and tking me for a week. Those two players came to defend you after you tried to kick me off the wall so i attacked you. They saw me attacking you and i defend myself against those two. In your first post you say you were following me and then kicked a peasant next to me? why? although it was me who you were kicking.

Does it? Eh, ok I new #3 was iffy cause it was 2 days ago.
Concerning the other 2: I never said they were blameless. I even said, ban them as they teamhit you as well.
Concerning the kick: I directed it "at" you but wasn't close enough to hit you. Hence why I hit the peasent.

You were also against me most of the time we were playing, so if you consider that horsebumping and killing you, then as a member of the opposing team, I did do that. I don't tk, nor tw. The most trollish thing i do: Play HC because it's fun watching the cavalry players whine as i remove them from the game.

Third, I don't care bout the team hit. I never said anything about banning for that. It was all because of the stupid fight those 3 had. Please read my first post. TWing me sucks, but i'm used to it from siege. But having a full on brawl like that, yea, not going to let that pass. You and the other were at fault, and I said as much. I even have a pick of them attacking YOU. Trust me gore, It wasn't directed at JUST you, but all three. Admins choose to ban you.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: BADPLAYERold on October 07, 2011, 05:26:14 pm
1) Phantom and Bad both ride horsies and I specifically go for horsies as a mounted ranged player.

You are possibly the worst horse xbowman I have ever seen.
Trust me I have no bias involved when it comes to that.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 05:27:28 pm
You are possibly the worst horse xbowman I have ever seen.
Trust me I have no bias involved when it comes to that.

Heh, ok I suck You ride an armored horse, though, makes my life difficult  :evil:
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 07, 2011, 05:28:38 pm
How about we don't talk about useless things like how good or bad a player is, and actually read and follow the rules about on topic posts concerning the case?
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Goretooth on October 07, 2011, 05:29:40 pm
Does it? Eh, ok I new #3 was iffy cause it was 2 days ago.
Concerning the other 2: I never said they were blameless. I even said, ban them as they teamhit you as well.
Concerning the kick: I directed it "at" you but wasn't close enough to hit you. Hence why I hit the peasent.

You were also against me most of the time we were playing, so if you consider that horsebumping and killing you, then as a member of the opposing team, I did do that. I don't tk, nor tw. The most trollish thing i do: Play HC because it's fun watching the cavalry players whine as i remove them from the game.

Third, I don't care bout the team hit. I never said anything about banning for that. It was all because of the stupid fight those 3 had. Please read my first post. TWing me sucks, but i'm used to it from siege. But having a full on brawl like that, yea, not going to let that pass. You and the other were at fault, and I said as much. I even have a pick of them attacking YOU. Trust me gore, It wasn't directed at JUST you, but all three. Admins choose to ban you.
Saying you don't tw and at the first post on this page you say you were kicking a peasant next to me. Should i wait for you to edit all your post and keep going back on what you say you don't do? Also what does me being an admin in the past have to do with this or this so called vendetta. Who makes a thread to ban someone who wasn't killed by them for tking?
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: BADPLAYERold on October 07, 2011, 05:33:24 pm
To get back on topic, I was on the map this happened and I saw you teamkill Goretooth intentionally at the end of a round with a headshot. Honestly though I don't think you should be banned for that, I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows this was 'provoked' teamkilling if you will and that when Goretooth is unbanned you will probably try the same thing again.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Wookimonsta on October 07, 2011, 05:37:51 pm
i've seen both doing bad things. Solution, blanket ban for NA
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 05:41:30 pm
To get back on topic, I was on the map this happened and I saw you teamkill Goretooth intentionally at the end of a round with a headshot. Honestly though I don't think you should be banned for that, I just wanted to make sure that everyone knows this was 'provoked' teamkilling if you will and that when Goretooth is unbanned you will probably try the same thing again.

I know which tk you walking about, and it wasn't a headshot, but it was at round end, and with a langes messar.
I saw gore fighting 3 people. I Pulled out my xbow and attempted to hit one of them.(I may have hit them or gore, don't remember). Gore kills one. I join melee. Gore mops the second when he turned to fight me. He was a shield user. Following this all that was left was a single 2h player and gore kills him as i was running with an overhead preped. Round ends, I start attempting to run backwards so as my sword will not hit, but I am to close and sword hits. I say something, "Dman" i think.

I can't remeber if this was the round before, or round after this tk fest.
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Also what does me being an admin in the past have to do with this or this so called vendetta. Who makes a thread to ban someone who wasn't killed by them for tking?
Was only stating a Rumor that you were known to rage and tk people while admin with ecko. I don't know if it's true, so just throw it out as evidence and forget i said it or take it with a grain of salt.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I'd prefer any responses sent via pm. No need to clutter this further.

@wooki: Of course, blanket ban NA. Best option.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: MadMac on October 07, 2011, 07:01:51 pm
Yeah its funny how LLJK is perverting the truth here. All I saw was Goretooth attack anders. A kick in his arse provoked him to attack me, then he murdered some random peasant who had nothing to do with anything.


Goretooth just calm the fuck down bud. Nobody is out to get you. ok well thats probably false theres alot of people out to get you. But try and turn the other cheek bud, you are big game nowadays for trolls, getting drawn into shit like this will only get you banned like everybody else. You aren't untouchable now.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Goretooth on October 07, 2011, 07:14:20 pm
Yeah its funny how LLJK is perverting the truth here. All I saw was Goretooth attack anders. A kick in his arse provoked him to attack me, then he murdered some random peasant who had nothing to do with anything.


Goretooth just calm the fuck down bud. Nobody is out to get you. ok well thats probably false theres alot of people out to get you. But try and turn the other cheek bud, you are big game nowadays for trolls, getting drawn into shit like this will only get you banned like everybody else. You aren't untouchable now.
Why would you kick me? LLJK is telling the truth. As for anders i'l get him back when strat rolls back don't worry  :twisted:
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: MadMac on October 07, 2011, 07:22:15 pm
because I didn't want you and anders to start killing eachother. I figured if i stopped you from killing him, he'd go off on his merry way and so would you. I was mistaken. Heed my words Goretooth. stop getting provoked you aren't an untouchable admin anymore.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: SeQuel on October 07, 2011, 07:25:11 pm
You know you can all sit here and complain who's in the right and the wrong so on and so forth, but unless you guys have screen shots proving any of this then the banning of Anders is not happening off "Hear Say". Goretooth, I strongly suggest that if Anders harasses you in the future try to take screen shots, video or get a admin.

Fair is fair - if I went off hear say everyone in NA would be banned.

Sorry you had to get baited goretooth, but you should know that people "hate" you may/may not try to get you in trouble. Just gotta get them back - be mature and don't fall into their games.

Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Goretooth on October 07, 2011, 07:27:45 pm
You know you can all sit here and complain who's in the right and the wrong so on and so forth, but unless you guys have screen shots proving any of this then the banning of Anders is not happening off "Hear Say". Goretooth, I strongly suggest that if Anders harasses you in the future try to take screen shots, video or get a admin.

Fair is fair - if I went off hear say everyone in NA would be banned.

Sorry you had to get baited goretooth, but you should know that people "hate" you may/may not try to get you in trouble. Just gotta get them back - be mature and don't fall into their games.
an admin was on and did post what happened in this thread.

Goretooth has been teamwounded or TK'd, both during and after the round, by Anders.

He ends up with several crossbow bolts in him that typically came from Anders, this is hard to prove but it can be no doubt they are friendly bolts and when the only crossbowman nearby is Anders, not hard to tell. With his ability to scoot away after shooting from horseback, his trolling technique is enhanced as when people go to turn around nobody is there.

I've witnessed it once, and Goretooth claims it has happened several times and I can believe that.

It is easy to see he just blew up after several days of intentional teamwounding and TKing, if Goretooth is banned for 2 days then Anders should be too.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: MadMac on October 07, 2011, 07:32:41 pm
Well then the admin is lying goretooth. I saw it with my own eyes. Anders does not tk on purpose. I remember him temp banning me and mori on seige for tking eachother when I was in DL. To call him out with false accusations is despicable, especially trying to use someones admin status to lend the accusation credibility.

Sad... real sad.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 07:33:00 pm
an admin was on and did post what happened in this thread.

Sigh, I'd rather not break my rule of no further posting in here but, If that was seen by Phantom Zero, he should have acted in his capacity as an admin. That fact that he didn't means that he: 1) didn't see it and couldn't act 2) Chose not to act or 3) Is basing what he says on hearsay (4) Other). All 3 of those are HIGHLY recriminating in his admin capacity.

Phantom is a good guy, so I doubt #2 is what happened, and I think he's following 1 and 3.

Also, if it bothers gore that much I'll take what's left of his ban. Seriously. I am not that low to bait anyone.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Goretooth on October 07, 2011, 07:35:01 pm
Well then the admin is lying goretooth. I saw it with my own eyes. Anders does not tk on purpose. I remember him temp banning me and mori on seige for tking eachother when I was in DL. To call him out with false accusations is despicable, especially trying to use someones admin status to lend the accusation credibility.

Sad... real sad.
You were in DL? how does that not suprise me. What clan is anders in?
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: MadMac on October 07, 2011, 07:39:21 pm
was in DL... and if anyone knows me they know I hate anders with a passion, so calling me bias is silly.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Goretooth on October 07, 2011, 07:41:08 pm
was in DL... and if anyone knows me they know I hate anders with a passion, so calling me bias is silly.
Why do you hate anders with a passion?
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: SeQuel on October 07, 2011, 07:41:42 pm
Sigh, I'd rather not break my rule of no further posting in here but, If that was seen by Phantom Zero, he should have acted in his capacity as an admin. That fact that he didn't means that he: 1) didn't see it and couldn't act 2) Chose not to act or 3) Is basing what he says on hearsay (4) Other). All 3 of those are HIGHLY recriminating in his admin capacity.

Phantom is a good guy, so I doubt #2 is what happened, and I think he's following 1 and 3.

Also, if it bothers gore that much I'll take what's left of his ban. Seriously. I am not that low to bait anyone.

I'm actually inclined to agree with Anders here. If what Ander's was doings justified a ban now then Phantom Zero should have banned him at that time. Which makes me think it either wasn't bannable (accident), Phantom never witnessed it, didn't have enough proof, or is going off hearsay.

I'm confused.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 08:03:05 pm
Huh, So am I banned? Did phantom ban me, or did you sequel.
If it's from what I asked that's fine.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: PhantomZero on October 07, 2011, 08:05:43 pm
I would have banned Anders the map before for intentionally teamwounding Goretooth, but I am pretty lenient and well accidents do sometimes happen and chose not to act. Without any photographic proof Anders would have just made a big LLJK bias post about being banned.

The reason I didn't intervene on the village map was I saw Anders instigate it, Goretooth then defending himself from Ander's friend and the peasant, and I told him in teamspeak to end it and he spent the rest of the map avoiding Anders and nothing further came of it and I figured it was over.

Everyone in the pictures was at fault, Anders for baiting Goretooth, Goretooth for falling for it, Arn for attacking a teammate, the peasant for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and me for not preventing Anders from trolling.

I discussed this with Shik and a day ban was given to Anders and Arn, Goretooth was given an extra day.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 07, 2011, 08:08:50 pm
I would have banned Anders the map before for intentionally teamwounding Goretooth, but I am pretty lenient and well accidents do sometimes happen and chose not to act. Without any photographic proof Anders would have just made a big LLJK bias post about being banned.

The reason I didn't intervene on the village map was I saw Anders instigate it, Goretooth then defending himself from Ander's friend and the peasant, and I told him in teamspeak to end it and he spent the rest of the map avoiding Anders and nothing further came of it and I figured it was over.

Everyone in the pictures was at fault, Anders for baiting Goretooth, Goretooth for falling for it, Arn for attacking a teammate, the peasant for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and me for not preventing Anders from trolling.

I discussed this with Shik and a day ban was given to Anders and Arn, Goretooth was given an extra day.

Huh, no I wouldn't. Tis fair. I disagree with the baiting, but I'll sit out for a day.
Honestly don't know why I posted about it. I was thinking of dropping it, but i went ahead and did it anyway. All's fair.
Title: Re: Ban: LLJK Goretooth, Others if you wish
Post by: SeQuel on October 07, 2011, 08:09:54 pm
Thread seems to be done with - closing in 1 hour.