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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Leshma on October 01, 2011, 06:51:36 pm
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Bring old sword speed back, bring old damage back, bring back old stab animation.
Why?
Because we deserve it for not being little cunts shooting from bows/xbows, hiding on roofs being unreachable for the whole round, throwing shit at people, riding horses and bumping, backstabbing everyone and hiding behind a damn shield most of the time!
Also make WPP curve completely flat and double the amount of needed WPP for second proficiency (aka ranged hybrids GFY). Also buff athletics.
I'm dead serious about this.
All of you who don't like this suggestion can go FY!
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Oh, also devs can you make them shoot fire? Oh fuck it. Just have them summon ridable dragons. That will finally bring them back into balance with the other weapons in the game. I'm tired of seeing all these poor 2 handers get owned by everyone they come across.
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cunts shooting from bows/xbows, hiding on roofs being unreachable for the whole round, throwing shit at people, riding horses and bumping, backstabbing everyone and hiding behind a damn shield most of the time!
Ragey goodness. Devs should just grant 2handers immunity from ranged and cav. It would seriously be worth it just so I don't have to hear such endless bitchery and crying. Then your only excuse for dying would be 'op' 2h weaps deemed not honorable or fair etc. Well actually you could also blame ping..armor crutching (or wearing too little armor to gain a speed advantage) etc etc. Keep on bitchin!
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Nerf 2handers and poles, for being roflcopter spamfucks, hilting and teamhitting
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Hoi Leshma, was it today or yesterday that I shot you sooo many times and later continued that with Tenne?^^
Didn't you tell me you gonna cry on forums? And now you do xD Respect man, finally a guy who keeps his words :lol:
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Hoi Leshma, was it today or yesterday that I shot you sooo many times and later continued that with Tenne?^^
hahah so funny.....
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I think someone's butthurt.
2h don't need to be buffed, even low-average 2h shine on the battlefield like gay vampires. You can't say the same about many other classes.
Besides, I don't understand why 2h should have a prevalent role.
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"Buff twohanders!"
lol !
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You make two-handers look bad, Leshma.
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Two handers? EU3.
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Do you seriously think that two guys can piss me off strong enough to whine on forums? :rolleyes:
It's not about you Gisbert, it's about swords being subpar to almost everything on battlefield (crushtrough weapons, poles with they ultra fast stab and polestun), and also cav and ranged...
You make two-handers look bad, Leshma.
At least I play the game...
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I think someone's butthurt.
2h don't need to be buffed, even low-average 2h shine on the battlefield like gay vampires. You can't say the same about many other classes.
Besides, I don't understand why 2h should have a prevalent role.
lol
2h don't need to be buffed, even low-average 2h shine on the battlefield like gay vampires
lolollollollololllololol i might just quote that
back to the "subject" i think there lol stab should extend like that one snake guys sword in bleach just so it can be fair against poles
after all it being able to reach farther then a poles reach IS NOT ENOUGH IT SHOULD REACH THROUGH ALL OF THEM AT ONCE LIKE A SHISHKABOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know what Kafein, Bjord and the likes of you. You don't play the damn mod so you shouldn't have any right to comment it. The day when I stop I won't be here like a attention whore telling everyone how it is in THE GAME. Same goes for so called balancers. Let the people who know how to and WHO ACTUALLY PLAY THE MOD to do the damn job.
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Dead serious aye? Im pretty sure 2h are fine, still packs a punch and has good speed.
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Ban every other playstyle.
I'm serious about this: every other playstyle is always doing [ x ] and [ y ], ruining the fun of my playstyle! It's like my playstyle can't always trump [ z ] and god forbid if [some asshole on an [ a ]] comes in and does something!
Fuck other playstyles, ban them now!
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Ban every other playstyle.
I'm serious about this: every other playstyle is always doing [ x ] and [ y ], ruining the fun of my playstyle! It's like my playstyle can't always trump [ z ] and god forbid if [some asshole on an [ a ]] comes in and does something!
Fuck other playstyles, ban them now!
To tell you the truth, if you're came to Warband to play ranged classes then you're pathetic person from my point of view, of course.
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it's about swords being subpar to almost everything on battlefield
Sorry Leshma, but this is gold! :lol:
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Leshma, friendly piece of advice: If you want people to take your opinions into consideration, start by making them sound less biased and ignorant.
Also, even if I don't play you are still not even close to my level, and I'm doubtful that will change just yet. You argue that since I am not playing the mod I have no say in this argument. How about this; you're an average two-hander at best and therefore any of your arguments regarding skill or balance are invalid. Either because you lack enough experience with the class(or any other for that matter) or simply lack the understanding for playing effectively with two-handers. In any case, you're not making compelling arguments.
Another thing, you can't possibly be serious when you expect an argument like since you are not playing a certain class you subjectively deemed "gay", another class automatically should be buffed. Is your logic center malfunctioning? You're not doing yourself any favours by being a moron. But I suppose you can't teach an old dog to sit. And you are very, very old.
Lastly, you suck. At everything.
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And you're still watched...
Now gtfo of my thread and take your pro dueling, now mostly useless on the battlefield, skills with you, please :)
Gurnisson, you haven't played recently. Let's just tell you that swordsmen use great maul a lot more often. Not even people like Chase can't fight two of average me at the same time while being aimed from every side possible and trampled by cavs. You can laugh all you want but greatswords can't be spammed anymore, aren't fast enough, unlike spamitars and pretty much everything with a spear like animation (english bill can so fast eat through any armor and all it takes is little feinting skills one on one, in crowd you're god with that thing just like hoplites).
People can block thus you need something fastm something with stun/knockdown or something that negates blocking skills, pretty much that's the scenario these days on the battlefield when it comes to close combat melee.
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Why do I even bother to try and argue with this joke of a person...
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Oh look it's another Leshma thread in the balance/suggestion forums that I totally disagree with!
Good to know some things never change :mrgreen:
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10/10
Best troll on cRPG currently
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:)
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OH NOEEEESSSS FUCK i didnt see your first post it was hidden.......
i thought this was a troll post about 2h :oops: :oops: :oops:
fail..........
why did you hide your post i thought rusty spoons started a troll thread so i was trolling too.......
well i read your post and maybe wpf should be messed with and i think agility should be buffed a little...
btw im a NA player so thats y you never see me sorry about the trolling but you need to unhide your post
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2h stab could use a small buff. It got the by far longest stab animation and deals way less damage than 1h or polestab.
2h : German Greatsword : 26 pierce
1h : Espada Eslavona : 30 pierce, Short Sword : 26 pierce, Short Arming Sword : 26 pierce, Scottish Sword : 27 pierce, Broad Short Sword : 26 pierce, Side Sword : 28 pierce, LEE : 28 pierce
Poles : basically all spears and poleaxes have more stabdamage than 26 pierce
my point is that the stabdamage should be buffed a bit, because right now poles are just superior to 2h in every single way.
-I am biased-
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2h are fine, you silly low skill motherfuckers.
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2h are fine, you silly low skill motherfuckers.
You are trolling arent you
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i think 2h's them selves are fine, just the obstical collision thing really fucked us over, cant fight effectivly in anything more than a 1v1. I dont even mean actual obsticles like walls floors etc there fine, just the team mate glances from behind fuck me over countless times.Other thn that 2h is kinda balanced
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try being a glaive pole arm......people need to get off my nuts .......i thought i would be obvious seeing how when im fully built lvl 30 im one of the most spamy ass fuckers arouund i hardly ever stop clicking but evidently people think there magical ninjas or they think friendly fire is actually friendly...but if i run into them its my bad i geuss but when they run into me it makes me rage GET OFF MY ASS i hate back glances because someone was trying to molest me from behind
/rant
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i think 2h's them selves are fine, just the obstical collision thing really fucked us over, cant fight effectivly in anything more than a 1v1. I dont even mean actual obsticles like walls floors etc there fine, just the team mate glances from behind fuck me over countless times.Other thn that 2h is kinda balanced
Yeah, the earlier active attacks are still the gayest thing in the world
Also make WPP curve completely flat
Yes, flatten the WPF curve, don't make it completely flat. Just give agi builds more wpf and keep the str build wpf pretty much the same as it is now. This would balance str/agi and speed up the game a bit. Everyone can block multiple swings these days, which is basically a buff to ranged.
hiding on roofs.
Remove the ladders from battle ffs. Atleast do it on EU 1. Noone in the right mind that is not an archer enjoys those roofcamping matches. Archery is fine on flat ground.
If these things would get fixed my enjoyment of this game would double. Oh yeah and xp on the duel server.
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You are trolling arent you
Trolling? Why, whats wrong with 2h?
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In my opinion, 2H is by far the strongest solo-melee-class.
For teamwork, i would rather have a shielder who cna take hits or someone with a long polearm, but for soloing people (such as leshima) 2h is very strong with good damage, good speed and, and this is by far the best about 2H, superior animations.
the 2h animations simply make them so much better in 1 vs. 1, which, in my opinion, is enoguh of a balance.
i recently respecced to 2H, and i experience that every aspect is much easier compared to the polearm i used before (except supporting where i had my long spear)
it's no coincidence that most of the top duellers are 2H.
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Buff twohanders!
lol
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Trolling? Why, whats wrong with 2h?
the stab?
and why the hell am I a low skill motherfucker?
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Hello,
its signed.
I can only approve.
Tepes
also: let the troll do the trolling you fail trolls
but ontopic: its fine, l2p (funnily enuff this comes from a guy on skill lvl way lower than Leshma, so in eyes of allmighty Bjord i am just nobody :mrgreen: )
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the stab?
and why the hell am I a low skill motherfucker?
Feel offended?
Stab is fine, you want the prepatch easy mode machinegun lolstab back? Because that shit was seriously OP.
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Feel offended?
Stab is fine, you want the prepatch easy mode machinegun lolstab back? Because that shit was seriously OP.
Yes.
Nah, but a small damage buff would be nice.
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If anything 2h needs a nerf.
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Do you seriously think that two guys can piss me off strong enough to whine on forums? :rolleyes:
:lol:
yes. :rolleyes:
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it's about swords being subpar to almost everything on battlefield
Swords in general or only 2h swords?
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Nerf everything and buff my class... :|
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When I'm on servers with my 2h char I don't feel underpowered compared to other classes.
I'm doing quite good and when I die it's because of many enemies or because of my own poor middle class skills but not because of poor underpowered 2h swords^^
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Swords in general or only 2h swords?
All swords beside spamitar. 1H straight swords especially.
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Meh Leshma, it's not good trolling anymore when you make it that obvious.
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Meh Leshma, it's not good trolling anymore when you make it that obvious.
"I feel like the elite scimitar is too good, therefore I cannot do this trade"
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What?
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English, motherfucker - do you speak it?
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I don't understand...
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Oh look it's another Leshma thread in the balance/suggestion forums that I totally disagree with!
Good to know some things never change :mrgreen:
It would be boring if everyone agreed on everything. We are NOT Borg! (for Borg community check any Apple oriented forum)
10/10
Best troll on cRPG currently
I'm not even trying...
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Now, on-topic:
I'm 2H and I don't fear swordsmen not matter how good they are. Why is that?
That's because I have a lot of armor and decent HP, most swordmen need 6-7 badly placed (body) hits to kill me. If I make mistake I get hit but that's not a big deal, I still can move, can block and will be able to attack back shortly after. People using 1H straight swords will need 9-11 badly placed hits to kill me if they aren't heavily balanced strength chars. You can make plenty mistakes and still be a winner.
I fear crush-trough, I fear knockdown, I fear polearms, I fear pikes/lances. Why is that?
Crush-trough negates my blocking ability and require a lot of footwork to be compensated for blocking. Those weapons aren't really slow, can be spammed if you have enough agi and they can kill me in 2-3 hits. One mistake and you're dead.
Every weapon with knockdown is dangerous cause it has decent chance to put you on the ground which in most cases means you're toasted. Damage doesn't matter but most those weapons are blunt and they hurt more than any sword hit. One mistake and you're dead.
Polearms generally have crappier feints than swords but some of them (recently buffed GLA) have weird animations, if you don't block low you'll get hit in the legs which means in many cases polestun. What polestun does? It stuns you in place for a moment where you can only block (but not as fast as usually) and can't attack. Smart polearmer will abuse that fact to spam your ass and due to similar attack speed of both greatswords and best polearms (glaive is actually faster than greatswords, not matter what stats say) they are very very effective. Also have epic stab, poleaxes of course. Even if you block perfectly theirs a chance that you'll be polestunned because of their heavier weapon. They can kill me in 4-5 hits. One mistakes doesn't necessarily means death but can turn out to be quite nasty.
Pikes, lances and that english bill have speed of an old 2H LOLSTAB. You have to be very patient with those guys or you're dead. Even heavy lance while used on the ground will be faster than your 2H stab. They usually have 2 attack directions which is limiting but they deal great deal of damage. Most of those eats my HP in 2-3 hits. Also polestun. Two mistakes and you're dead meat.
So, swords are good but they aren't best melee weapons. They are all-rounders, jack-of-all-trades but they can't dish out epic damage if you're not aiming for the head and thus aren't really noob friendly. For noobs I would advise any spear with combination of back-peddaling/stabbing when you have opportunity to do so.
Straight 1H swords are in even worse situation because they can dish out crap damage while being easy to block. Only time when I think twice is when I meat someone good who puts shield away and try to out spam me (Siiem for example). People using shields are easy prey in most cases. Spamitar is broken since the beginning of time and I won't talk about it in here.
Partially swords suck because cut damage is actually crap damage but that's not the only reason.
They are slow, stats aren't always acurate (110 long, 90 speed shortened military scythe is way waster than any greatsword and can be spammed easily), they have neat feints but since the slow speed on servers (when raining it's slow-motion), higher blocking skills or autoblock abuse swords aren't the best melee weapon in the game.
AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE CAUSE THEY ARE SO COOL! 8-)
Now time to mention ranged. It's everywhere and most people have something of ranged type. They don't want to fight until you get really close...
In last patch throwing got buffed, archery got buffed big time (Paul can put his statistics where sun doesn't shine), xbow stayed the same aka super OP!!!
GLA got buffed (completely unnecessary buff...), pike and cav first nerfed than reverted! :lol:
It's my duty as 2H to ask for epic buff cause we are already awesome and we should be even more awesome and OP! I want people to fear any 2H just as they fear ranged and forementioned weapons.
No smelly horse lover deserves to be stronger, no "shitting bricks for half a round" xbow retard deserved to be feared, no legolas bundle of sticks deserve to kill me in 3 hits using joke of a bow, no cowardly mounted ranged should bother me, no tossing bastard should be my main concern.
I'm swordsmen and I'm epic and I want to be on top of the food chain, not because I'm skilled but because my weapon is OP just like any other class/weapon in this game.
EoD.
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No smelly horse lover deserves to be stronger, no "shitting bricks for half a round" xbow retard deserved to be feared, no legolas bundle of sticks deserve to kill me in 3 hits using joke of a bow, no cowardly mounted ranged should bother me, no tossing bastard should be my main concern.
I'm swordsmen and I'm epic and I want to be on top of the food chain, not because I'm skilled but because my weapon is OP just like any other class/weapon in this game.
Oh ok. So everything but 2h is skilless huh? Whatever you say. But yeah you want a buff? Sure...I won't cry if the devs buff 2h. I'm sure some 2handers will never stop crying though no matter.
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Either buff swords,
or nerf ranged, remove polestun, remove knockdown, bring back rider bump, make crushtrough weapons way slower, make spear like weapons slower, lower pierce damage on all weapons, bring back pre patch archer, bring back pre patch throwing, nerf xbow to the bone...
Devs take yer pick :)
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2h is fine.
With a long 2H you can be a serious threat to cav.
If you abuse your reach you can be a serious threat to shielders & crushthrough users.
You have better animations than most polearms, and many times (due to animations) have more reach. If you don't have more reach you most certainly have more attack directions.
Ranged can give them trouble, but if you invest 1-2 skill points into shield for your build you can negate a LOT of this.
There's a reason 2handers dominate the scoreboards, and there's a reason a lot of skilled players choose to go 2h.
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bleh why didnt i read the "troll" posts b4 i posted
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At least I play the game...
Alot of people play this game......
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Alot of people play this game......
he was reffering to people bitching here who dont play for months already
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i play all the time how do you know other wise???
GLA got buffed (completely unnecessary buff...), pike and cav first nerfed than reverted! :lol:
im sorry please explain to me how the gla got buffed i have not seen it at all different to be honest to me it seems like a shell of its former glory in native(it was by far one of the best AND my favorite weapon in native) whether its because it has more competition or because of some of its nerfs(it was not only weapon that got this but it can no longer stop horses)
(glaive is actually faster than greatswords, not matter what stats say)
and you speak as how the glaive is faster then the great sword no matter what the stats say? that road goes both ways some 2h weapons are longer then pole weapons no matter what the stats say and why is that? due to the fact that the way the player holds the pole(in the middle) makes it shorter then a 2h(which is held at the end of the weapon) which is why a lot of the time 2h players can out range pole players with stab attacks with the animation the way it is now(it blows my mind away how a weapon supposidly shorter then my pole can out stab me....when im a pole WHOS MAIN USE WAS DESIGNED TO STAB )
Crush-trough negates my blocking ability and require a lot of footwork to be compensated for blocking. Those weapons aren't really slow, can be spammed if you have enough agi and they can kill me in 2-3 hits. One mistake and you're dead.
Every weapon with knockdown is dangerous cause it has decent chance to put you on the ground which in most cases means you're toasted. Damage doesn't matter but most those weapons are blunt and they hurt more than any sword hit. One mistake and you're dead.
blunt weapons were designed with plate and knockouts in mind,used on the battle field to counter plate and that is why as a heavy armored combatant you fear them they were even considered holy due to the fact the crushed and did not spill as much blood as other weapons such as swords. and your blocks getting knocked through by such heavy weapons makes sense seeing how most off the weight is at the end,this does not mean they have to be slow either. and quite frankly i am surprised knockdown is built more common not just in blunt weapons but if you should get hit in the legs by ANY weapon would you not get knocked down?it should not be nerfed IT SHOULD BE IMPROVED
^that is my logic on the subject please if i misunderstood anything let me know
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I fear crush-trough, I fear knockdown, I fear polearms, I fear pikes/lances. Why is that?
Crush-trough negates my blocking ability and require a lot of footwork to be compensated for blocking. Those weapons aren't really slow, can be spammed if you have enough agi and they can kill me in 2-3 hits. One mistake and you're dead.
So a 80 speed 68 long 8.5 heavy mighty great maul isn't really slow? can be spammed? just for your information, AGI have nothing to do with weapon speed since swing speed bonus from AGI got removed almost a year ago. again for your information great maul requirement is 20 strength so you can't use it with 8-9 athletics (unless you're level 35 with so many skill converted to attributes, you'll end playing with 50HP.)
one mistake and you're dead? is so hard with your 124 long danish to keep a mauler away? seriously... it's the first time a non-STR 2hander cries about mauls. and BTW who make mistakes needs to face the ground.
I fear crush-trough, I fear knockdown, I fear polearms, I fear pikes/lances. Why is that?
well if 60% of the game scares you to death, better you do something else.
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Corrado from now on, talk to the hand will ya bro :wink:
Time to bump this beauty.
Do it in next few weeks, buffing two handed swords I mean. Old stab values, no need for old animation, speed up by 1, old slash values.
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Rejected.