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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fips on September 27, 2011, 01:01:02 am
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I don't know where to put this, so i thought it should be placed here.
There are some clans (Or orders i should say...<.<) that magically manage to be on the same team even on the first round to screw things up for the defenders/attackers (Depends on map, ofc) even more.
Is there any way to make that impossible? (BANHAMMER ^__^...jk :O)
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Actually, if one joins early or waits to click his team he can join the team of his choice.
Not that hard. Doing it DURING game on the other hand...not so easy.
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Actually, if one joins early or waits to click his team he can join the team of his choice.
Not that hard. Doing it DURING game on the other hand...not so easy.
Meh. I thought it doesnt matter what team you choose at the beginning, balance just puts u randomly in one.
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Meh. I thought it doesnt matter what team you choose at the beginning, balance just puts u randomly in one.
Sometimes.
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Sometimes.
But they are always on the same team.
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But they are always on the same team.
Always?
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Always?
never use always.
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Not always, but they switch quite often to spectator mode and back to get in the right team.
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Not always, but they switch quite often to spectator mode and back to get in the right team.
Meh that's dumb. Though I can't say I haven't done it. If I don't get the team i like, I just spec for the round. Rejoin at end So balancer switches me(hopefully) or just stay spec.
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Always?
Erm...yeah?!
Okay...sometimes there is a poor guy getting switched to the other team in the 2nd or 3rd round, but i was talking about the first round, when banner balance should not work.
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Erm...yeah?!
Okay...sometimes there is a poor guy getting switched to the other team in the 2nd or 3rd round, but i was talking about the first round, when banner balance should not work.
Actually Balancer works first round 2. Only reason you don't see it is due to the slow joining of people. Because of that, the balancer has to "balance on the fly" so to speak. That's the reason why you "Can't" choose your team.
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I've tried it in the past. Never works for me. Regardless of the server. Once I've been put in a team in the first round, for some reason it's impossible for me to switch even when I go to spec or it's another round. Works as it should as far as I can see.
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Actually Balancer works first round 2. Only reason you don't see it is due to the slow joining of people. Because of that, the balancer has to "balance on the fly" so to speak. That's the reason why you "Can't" choose your team.
But apparently you can choose it, as you can see on the servers.
@overdriven: Yeah, it rarely works. All you can do is to try it for 30 seconds and get lucky. =P
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I've tried it in the past. Never works for me. Regardless of the server. Once I've been put in a team in the first round, for some reason it's impossible for me to switch even when I go to spec or it's another round. Works as it should as far as I can see.
you can easily abuse the system , especially in siege , but battle works well , the key is not be part of the balance by going spec , and as soon as its balance arrive choose a team ,
In siege you can offense 100% of the time with the trick or close to , in battle its trickier but you can even out the balance by going spec if you got a good kdr , they will put a good player in your team ,
Thats how it work and how easily it can be fooled , one fix would be to remove team choice and put SINGLE LOGON like it was eons ago in CRPG
edit : please all , abuse the mechanics it will force devs to rethink the balance system :D
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I've tried it in the past. Never works for me. Regardless of the server. Once I've been put in a team in the first round, for some reason it's impossible for me to switch even when I go to spec or it's another round. Works as it should as far as I can see.
I don't know where to put this, so i thought it should be placed here.
There are some clans (Or orders i should say...<.<)
Is there any way to make that impossible? (BANHAMMER ^__^...jk :O)
put 2 and 2 together and you get hax.
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Sometimes.
No....just...no. It's always random. If it "works", it's because you happened to choose the option that autobalance wouldve chosen for you anyways, which isn't a big leap since it's one chance in two.
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It's always a pleasure to see a post from polkafranzi for his everchanging nice pics.
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No....just...no. It's always random. If it "works", it's because you happened to choose the option that autobalance wouldve chosen for you anyways, which isn't a big leap since it's one chance in two.
It can't be always random if some guys manage to get on the same team every freakin time?!
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HRE vs Grey Order, which side to take?
HRE obviously :)
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HRE vs Grey Order, which side to take?
HRE obviously :)
Spot on, HRE have never cheated or hacked - win.
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No....just...no. It's always random. If it "works", it's because you happened to choose the option that autobalance wouldve chosen for you anyways, which isn't a big leap since it's one chance in two.
Oberyn , i bolded that part because you can put yourself in that situation to "choose" the team , its easy to fool the balance
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funnily enough, i started a topic about this for other admins to comment on and its clear that the rules say you cannot abuse the autobalance
joining a team, speccing bcos u got on the wrong one and rejoining again and again until you get on the one you want is not ok
obe - if you toss a coin enough times you will get the result you want eventually, but if you're only supposed to toss the coin once, then is that still ok?
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funnily enough, i started a topic about this for other admins to comment on and its clear that the rules say you cannot abuse the autobalance
joining a team, speccing bcos u got on the wrong one and rejoining again and again until you get on the one you want is not ok
obe - if you toss a coin enough times you will get the result you want eventually, but if you're only supposed to toss the coin once, then is that still ok?
its not about coin tossing , just look the list of players... you can see by pressing tab fast to see the changes and eventually balance does it job to balance both teams and THIS is exactly the time to choose your side, you will go to that side most of the time
as an exemple : i don't want to join Team A because it sucks and Team B has all my friends, just wait til Team A gets filled ( It will ) and choose Team B a few times
You will be able to join Team B for sure , of course if your a late comer , you are fucked , balance will get you usually
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well in any case its happening right now on eu2, team B is stacked full of a certain clan and every round one or two get switched over and they mysteriously go spec until they reappear on team B again
EDIT : i'm talking every round btw, not just the first.
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well in any case its happening right now on eu2, team B is stacked full of a certain clan and every round one or two get switched over and they mysteriously go spec until they reappear on team B again
EDIT : i'm talking every round btw, not just the first.
i think some players see it as ok but in my view its circumventing the autobalance
(if it's not, then tell me why that rule is up and what it actually covers)
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Can anyone tell me if this is going to be fixed?
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More strict banner balance would be nice so that we dont get split every now and then. It would solve the problem.
Also, any idea if the PIN system (or whatever it was) is going to be implemented so it won't be possible any longer to cheat banner system to get balanced with members of a clan? It's getting really annoying that certain clanless random players just keep switching banners to match one used by a clan, thus fucking up the banner balance.
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We're still debating whether it should be allowed or not.
As i see it, when trying to join team B and being put in team A, waiting in spectator until more people join team A and retrying later isn't 'circumventing the autobalance' at all:
You actually wait for other people to join team A, making team A the stronger team, thus ensuring a good team balance.
AFAIK the game only allows you to join the weakest team. So you never 'abuse the balance'. What Oberyn said.
But i could be wrong. I'll try and get some clarity on this issue.
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We're still debating whether it should be allowed or not.
As i see it, when trying to join team B and being put in team A, waiting in spectator until more people join team A and retrying later isn't 'circumventing the autobalance' at all:
You actually wait for other people to join team A, making team A the stronger team, thus ensuring a good team balance.
AFAIK the game only allows you to join the weakest team. So you never 'abuse the balance'. What Oberyn said.
But i could be wrong. I'll try and get some clarity on this issue.
maybe someone can fraps it - i will video it if/next time it happens
its not a matter of them waiting in spec for 1 team to fill up, its join/rejoin/rejoin/rejoin in as short a time as it takes you to read "join/rejoin"
In saying that I can see what you're saying "How can you abuse a system that makes sure there's a 50/50 balance" but if you can do something that means you can get on to your mates team when you were supposed to be on the other team, that's the problem.
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Two weeks ago, late night we were like 10 people on EU_5 or EU_2 I don't remember.
3 the_Grey guys were rocking the server. I soon found out they managed to stay together all the time. So I changed my banner to the grey order one, joined and tried doing the same thing (go to spec then join again). It works really flawlessly. I had a nice x5 for an hour or two (ty btw, even though that was a STF char).
I don't blame anyone, as the main problem is the auto-balancer's inability to measure real effectiveness. I don't consider this forced clan-stacking through spec mode nor the usage of other clan's banners as abuse. Simply because both counter each other.
Read : if you really don't want people in the same clan to stack, use their banner.
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what Kafein and RandomDude said make perfect sense ,
In the eye of the balance it seem fair in numbers , but you have to look at the intangibles , i remember back then people were pissed off at random teams , saying it was unfair , sure we had a few rounds where teams were stacked , but it the random made it fair instead of pushing variables to force teams
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Good god this was ridicolous. There were several guys who got switched to the defence like 4 or 5 times and they still joined specs until they could get to the attacker-team, where everyone else of their clan was waiting.
I mean, the game started 2 mins ago and they still try to switch the team...c'mon. And the worst is, it works.
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Good god this was ridicolous. There were several guys who got switched to the defence like 4 or 5 times and they still joined specs until they could get to the attacker-team, where everyone else of their clan was waiting.
I mean, the game started 2 mins ago and they still try to switch the team...c'mon. And the worst is, it works.
of course it work , it worked since forever but was not spoken much ( obviously thoses who do it dont even tell to keep playing that way )
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The problem is not only that it is working the problem is also that one team is lacking players the whole time.
If 3-4 players who should play in one team are trying to get into the other one all the time they are not playing.
Yesterday someone (dont have to say more about who we are talking) managed to switch team while his friends
brought down the flag. He wasnt defending he was trying to get to the winning team the whole round.
That is what fucks the system.
You have to spawn with gear and weapon. You are not allowed to leech but you are allowed to waste
whole rounds with trying to get into the winner team?
But if you say thats totally fine then i will stop not using it. I dont see why i should lose my multi in the first round
if i play with my clan then.