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Title: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Cris on January 03, 2011, 04:39:37 pm
HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER Gotta love copy and paste, can't be bother to type this again - Orginal guide on Taleworld's cRPG forum

I thought I'd post this guide so that people don't complain about HA, leading to a possible neft, because a neft is not needed at all for Horse Archer.

This guide is mainly common sense, but I should start by saying that I am a horse archer (In game name: Cris) and this are the things that would kill me the most or make me not kill someone (besides lack of aiming XD):

Surviving Horse archers: When you are on your own or small groups.

If you are in a big group, there is a good chance that your archer and crossbow team mates will kill the HA.

Players types:

     Shield users: The best way to survive a HA is having a shield, nevertheless a horsearcher that likes teamplay will turn you round if you are on your own so that your back in facing his teammates, you need to judge who is a bigger threat) Be careful if you try to attack while a HA is going to charge, the moment your shield moves, a HA will shoot if he has arrows. Also, if you really don't like HA, get a big shield, a good HA will hit your feet even when they are moving at full speed. (hitting a foot is just a bit harder than a headshot)

     TwoHanded: Get a good armor. It is good to remember that HA is very hard (some times I cant shoot a thing, some times most of my arrows hit) So judge the HA current skill, you may want to take a chance and run for him (if you are a melee user), but although slower, moving like crazy in zig zag makes a player really hard to shoot. If the HA is going for you and you are on your own, you are dead most times, but you can make him waist a lot of arrows, that may mean that your team wins the match.

     Polearm: Same as 2H, but if you have a pike, use it and make sure he sees it. It will make the HA think twice before charging.

     Archer and Crossbows: Raged can actually attack, so kill the horse or the player before is to late. You may also want to do what a 2h player would do.

     Mounted players: Move like crazy. If you don't move much, you will die. Also is good to remember that HA cannot shoot in any angle. Image looking forward is 12 in a clock. A HA shooting angle would be from 6 to around 2. So if you can, keep to the right of the HA.


Types of maps:

-Open field: Stay with the group, HA are more and more common (and all horses for that matter), so the chances you will die if you go own your own are getting bigger all the time. Keep an eye of the horsearcher's movements on an open map if you are not in the front of your team battleline, you didn't want to show him your back, he is probably flanking your team.

- Open field + a village: Stay in the village, hide when you can. Stay with the group.

- Village/town: This are the heardest maps for HA, as we need to aim and make sure we don't crash into a wall. Keep to the right of the HA, hide, you may even get to kill them if you lead them into a close space.

Terrains: Going up hill is bad for horses. If it is a really high hill, chances are you ran faster than the horse. Stay in the hill.

How to kill a Horse archer:


Easy! Become a HA :P But for normal players

Archers/throwing: All depends in your skill, the HA skill and armor, and the horse. If you have plenty of arrows, shoot the horse, then shoot the HA. Horses are affected by headshots! so aim well. Also, learn the player's movement patters, it will help you a lot! If you do a lot of damage, just go for the player. Remember, do not think the HA has uber accuracy, yours is much better if he is moving!

Crossbows: This depends on how many crossbows you have, but its usually best to shoot the HA and not the horse. If the Crossbow shooter has only 1 crossbow and shoots my horse, I will most of the times turn around and kill the Crossbowman if he is in an accessible place. A sniper crossbow will not kill an armored horse unless it hits on the head. So again, shoot the rider.

Melee: The longer your weapon the better change you have of killing the horsearcher. If he is concentrated on a target, you may want to run, jump and kill him on the move. Also try to ambush, maybe hide and jump in the last minute (like hiding in a corner). The best way to kill a HA this way is to work with your fellow players. If the HA knows you want to kill him, he may not charge, so lead him in the direction of your teammates, this tactic works really well in villages and towns. Also, if he horse is going up hill, many times you will move faster, use this to your advantage.

Horses: Well, unless you are a horse archer, horse crossbowman or horse thrower, its the same as killing infantry. Just approach from the right if you think he knows you are there. Besides that, hit an run or ambush. Push the HA onto a corner, a rock or the end of the map, anything that will make him stop. The moment he stops, if you are on the right handside, you have the upperhand.

I cannot stress this enough, if you work with your team mates, you will win. (most times :P)

I hope this little guide helps.


Cris
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Yaron on January 03, 2011, 05:02:50 pm
Quote from: Cris on January 03, 2011, 04:39:37 pm
HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER Gotta love copy and paste, can't be bother to type this again - Orginal guide on Taleworld's cRPG forum


Players types:

     Shield users: The best way to survive a HA is having a shield, nevertheless a horsearcher that likes teamplay will turn you round if you are on your own so that your back in facing his teammates, you need to judge who is a bigger threat) Be careful if you try to attack while a HA is going to charge, the moment your shield moves, a HA will shoot if he has arrows. Also, if you really don't like HA, get a big shield, a good HA will hit your feet aim for your feet even when they are moving at full speed. (hitting a foot is just a bit harder than a headshot)


Good HA's maybe aim for the feet, but if they hit on full speed is more a question of luck then of skill :p

Regarding "how to kill a HA":

For 2h and polearm I wouldn't say they shall try to jump and hit the HA. Rather stay on the ground and try to stop the horsey with a Thrust ... I think thats more effective ... If you jump you can't stop a horse =(

Just my 2 Cents
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Maira on January 03, 2011, 07:08:34 pm
Honestly, we HA's can hit feet quite easily, specially if we stop moving, but moving at a reasonable speed is still damn easy. Most shielders nowadays have a high shield skill, so, doesn't really matter cause most shields will "cover" the feet anyway.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Mtemtko on January 03, 2011, 07:43:58 pm
Quote from: Mtemtko-TW
This whole thread is bull, you dont kill a plated horse archer,plated horse archer kills you! You CANT change that! (Unless you're a lvl 40 archer that shoots the horse/ someone with throwing lances like belmont the thrower with masterwork tears and 13PT)

Nuff said.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Yaron on January 03, 2011, 08:21:12 pm
Fortunately plated horsey will be gone with next patch for most of the time =), so bye bye @ HA's

PS: Good Archers shoot at the rider, not at the horsey Mtko =(
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Mtemtko on January 03, 2011, 08:25:20 pm
Quote from: Yaron on January 03, 2011, 08:21:12 pm
Fortunately plated horsey will be gone with next patch for most of the time =), so bye bye @ HA's

PS: Good Archers shoot at the rider, not at the horsey Mtko =(

No such thing as a good archer these days if thats so.

Oh and HA lovers, heres something to fap over

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Braeden on January 03, 2011, 11:45:54 pm
Having a horse and throwing weapons also can do the trick, at least 50% of the time.  All horses die with sufficient applied firepower.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Maira on January 04, 2011, 03:57:40 am
Quote from: Mtemtko on January 03, 2011, 08:25:20 pm
No such thing as a good archer these days if thats so.

Oh and HA lovers, heres something to fap over

(click to show/hide)

The only thing I can say to that picture is : Lolwut 60 arrows? Lol, no lance or anything?
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: danrex on January 04, 2011, 11:17:33 am
Quote from: Maira on January 04, 2011, 03:57:40 am
The only thing I can say to that picture is : Lolwut 60 arrows? Lol, no lance or anything?

Same here with my HA, you never have enough arrows ;)

(And every time I get shot down of my horse I got killed whatever I do because the lack of Power Strike, WPP on other weapons than archery so.... why carry another weapon xDDD)
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Shogunate_Subotai_III on January 04, 2011, 04:28:56 pm
Cris you are a Heretic!

With the Power me given i outcast you of the Horse Archer Nobility!

Burn Heathen!!!

 :D
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Mtemtko on January 04, 2011, 05:08:48 pm
Yup Cris,i feel a disturbance in your horse archery.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Diavolo on January 24, 2011, 02:42:56 pm
so as a summary/conclusion to the initial post, to kill a HA:


That is the truth, horse archery did defeat everything on open fields in its time. Sieging castles was their main problem, since horses dont like ladders.  :P Anyway, HA do have some weaknesses compared to archers. They cant cover that easily, or hide themselves. Horses are basically pretty unpractical on urban maps.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Grey on January 24, 2011, 02:49:53 pm
You kill a HA same as ANY other char: By being smarter. There are 0 maps in the rotation that dont have SOME sort cover, even a single tree renders a lone HA just a stupid bastard riding round in circles. This thread was redundant then, and it is now. Answer to ANY "how to kill" question is always the same: L2P
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: EliteDragon on January 25, 2011, 04:47:43 am
Quote from: Grey on January 24, 2011, 02:49:53 pm
You kill a HA same as ANY other char: By being smarter. There are 0 maps in the rotation that dont have SOME sort cover, even a single tree renders a lone HA just a stupid bastard riding round in circles. This thread was redundant then, and it is now. Answer to ANY "how to kill" question is always the same: L2P

As a HA, i have to agree w/ Grey here. It's not very hard to kill a HA if you can find ANY cover. If you're fighting one on open field, you SHOULDN'T be.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Safavid on January 28, 2011, 12:28:22 am
How high of a level do you have to be to be able to aim "good".  My aiming reticule is always "wide"?  I have 100 archery and 3 for horse archery. 
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: kongxinga on January 28, 2011, 06:35:01 pm
Are people still complaining about horse archers? They might be the weakest class their is, even before taking into account the archer box maps that are popular in servers. Started to play one post patch because of the nerfs to cav and archery. Being the masochist, I purposely chose what should be the weakest class and was not disappointed.

You can either be inaccurate and fire very weak shots, or you can be VERY inaccurate with shots that are still weaker than longbows and warbows.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Murchad on January 29, 2011, 05:07:10 pm
Quote from: kongxinga on January 28, 2011, 06:35:01 pm
Are people still complaining about horse archers? They might be the weakest class their is, even before taking into account the archer box maps that are popular in servers. Started to play one post patch because of the nerfs to cav and archery. Being the masochist, I purposely chose what should be the weakest class and was not disappointed.

You can either be inaccurate and fire very weak shots, or you can be VERY inaccurate with shots that are still weaker than longbows and warbows.
while this is true for lower level HA's it is possible to make very strong HA's
I think all the dedicated HA's have lvl 35 in mind for their final build. at 35 i will be strong and accurate
(I'm going to retire a few more times to get my gear setup before the big grind to 35)
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Maira on January 29, 2011, 05:24:29 pm
I still do fine on Loz, even with my 200 ping I can top the scoreboard sometimes. And now, with lower ammo and weaker armor, I don't think there's a NEED for a guide to kill a HA, we just die in 1 hit anyway...
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: kongxinga on January 30, 2011, 04:54:22 am
Quote from: Murchad on January 29, 2011, 05:07:10 pm
while this is true for lower level HA's it is possible to make very strong HA's
I think all the dedicated HA's have lvl 35 in mind for their final build. at 35 i will be strong and accurate
(I'm going to retire a few more times to get my gear setup before the big grind to 35)

Level 35? Hats off to you for making the grind. How much exp is needed?  A Zillion?
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: EponiCo on January 30, 2011, 06:01:53 am
I've just been doing fine on my level 24 horse archer, sometimes even topping the scorechart.
Most of the time not, but actually I think this is balanced ... someone who can run away from everyone that can kill him, shouldn't be able to kill a lot of people. (And getting one kill while playing the entire round is still more fun for me than getting 4 and then waiting in death sight for 3 minutes).
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Murchad on January 30, 2011, 04:15:26 pm
I am going to make alot of lvl 30 HA's before I do the push to 35.. want to loom my horse

but the way I play HA is use good horses/gear on good HA maps. on bad HA maps either go footarcher or cheap gear to save money.

I have been trying out heavy HA and I have to say it's awsome. my accuracy is still really good.
I do notice that it takes slightly longer for each shot but I can take alot of arrows from weak archers and a 2-3 from stronger ones without dying. i'm almost level 30 now, at level 30 i'll have 5pd 4ha,
I die most from chasing people around trees/buildings  or getting teamed up on by cav

oh, and to the guy who asked about when you get accurate. when you get to the 24agi point you will have nice accuracy with the 8wm and 4ha but it gets really good at the 30agi 10wm 5ha point (if you reach it)       I went for the 24 point this retirement becuause i heirloomed my khergit, I used the nomad before I got up to my khergit and i have to say I would reccomend the khergit or strong bow. you can do good if you use nomad by aiming for head and weaker enemies. but will have a hard time killing alot with your limited arrows and low dmg.  when i go to lvl 35 i plan on getting 5pd 5ha, would be neat if Qilidj_Arslan went for 3pd 6ha, hes been using nomad and it would be crazy fast and accurate.

edit- forget to mention throwing. throwing weapons are really the bane of horsearchers existance
 it is ok if the map is open enough to keep distance and snipe them, but in tight maps i usually don't even try to HA anymore with 1/2 of players having throwing weapons.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Toffi on January 30, 2011, 05:56:49 pm
There is one thing in crpg I hate. Guess what? Yes, These are horsearchers. To be more precise, cowardly horsearchers. I'm playing cavalry, I kill a lot of them, but still they are always aiming for my horse and sometimes it gets shot down. That's okay, but then, the cowardly part beginns. I try to hit them, no chance, I whistle for a horse, they shoot it. I try to attack them again, they ride away and try to shoot me all the time. But the best thing about it is: They don't even hit ME once. Lack of skill.

Edit: **** them.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Murchad on January 30, 2011, 10:32:19 pm
single cav have a hard time against HA, but with groups they are effective. good horsearchers are good at not getting tunnel vision, but if they bump into something (rock, tree, corner of building, other horse) it means getting a lance shoved through them.

best thing to do when a horsearcher is doing the thing you describe is to get behind a tree or get closer to friends. if you use a tree you might be able to lure them close enough to kill.
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Toffi on February 03, 2011, 04:18:06 pm
yeah, but you see it's just no fun, to walk left, walk right and so on... :mad:
Title: Re: HOW TO SURVIVE/KILL A HORSEARCHER
Post by: Maira on February 03, 2011, 04:34:35 pm
Quote from: Toffi on February 03, 2011, 04:18:06 pm
yeah, but you see it's just no fun, to walk left, walk right and so on... :mad:

Fun? Who said you're supposed to be having fun? You're expected to win!