Just take out anything that isn't a bow, seriously.signed
I'm beginning to think that ranged is always going to hate on infantry... and infantry is always going to hate on ranged.... and everyone is going to hate on cav :P ..seems pretty fair 8-)
Okey, pretty funny I admit, but in what way exactly does melee infantry fuck up your gameplay?
I think most of his post was directed at the elitist inf that constantly make threads about nerfing any class that can kill them and hence ruining those classes gameplay just because of some silly inf not being able to fight.
That is a problem that has to do with those PLAYERS, not with the CLASS!
Logic 10/10
Simple question. I'm just curious since I have been playing a lot of Battle as usual and it's just hilarious that in a game that supports every class, my gaming experience and reading the forums is ruined by some elitist infantry melee bystanders who play "I'm the only class that matters" in here to annoy everyone else.
Yes logic 10/10 because in Tears post he quite clearly outlines:
Did I ever say I approved of Tears' post?
No, I think the issue is the whiners, (ranged or melee).
Yes but it's quite interesting to see that there aren't anywhere near as many NERF INFANTRY as there are NERF ARCHER CAV ect threads. And lots of those threads are created by the same people over and over (Leshma ect).
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I don't think that's anything to do with how balanced infantry is compared to the others. It's more to do with the fact there are a few guys on these forums which can't stand those classes.
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seriously... i never saw the ranged lobby more angry and butthurt about something.
...aaaaaand then we once again use our superior logical skills to figure out why that may be the case. Hmm, I thought there was a perfectly good post explaining this somewhere... Nah, must've been mistaken...
And what THE FUCK did I just say?
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Srsly, sorry for the tone but Think before you Post!
Eh...what did you say? Whiners whether ranged or melee. But tbh the only whiners I see from ranged are the ones complaining about the nerfs they have had. Rather than whining about inf and calling for nerfs on inf. Which is exactly what inf does to every other class.
My point was that the reason for this has nothing to do with in game gameplay necessarily. Which is what you directed your entire post at. It's more about inf whining on forums.
i don't get it.
why the hell now butthurt people (mostly infantry) keep feeding the hate without just fuc*in chill a second?
Oh god. I do this one more time - then I'm done.
The reason that you see more inf whining than ranged doing so is because ranged screw over inf with their playstyle, what my first post explained.
The second thing I said was that whiners suck - WETHER ranged or inf. I don't care. YES there are whiners from every class - YOU included as soon as someone brings up the topic of HA nerfing.
In short: More melee whiners because ranged are annoying to melee; all whiners suck.
There you have it - preschool level.
And I will do this one more time. You pretty much just outlined my argument.
I whine about my own class being nerfed in order to try and stop it. Just as a lot of cav/ranged does. They don't whine about inf killing them, which happens a lot. I could whine about guys in xbows in heavy armour, or 2h lolstabs, or all pole arms stopping my horse. But I don't see many threads dedicated to just that. Mostly the occasional mention in other threads usually to do with their own nerfs.
Inf whine about other classes killing them and so those other classes should be nerfed and they make 1000's (obvious exaggeration) of threads about it.
See the difference?
In short: More melee whiners because ranged are annoying to melee; all whiners suck.
In short: More melee whiners because ranged are annoying to melee; all whiners suck.
In short: More melee whiners because ranged are annoying to melee; all whiners suck.
You're making a huge generalization in saying that "inf whine about blablabla". No, not all do - we have a few idiots who whine about things without backing it up, but then whiner=whiner and they're all idiots.
Saying that one class is composed out of whiners is just stupid, but I hope you realized that yourself.
See my edit.'
Though I will say, there are plenty of classes that are annoying to cav. But we don't make threads about it anywhere near as much.
So I don't see that as an excuse.
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Anyway Dezilagel...I don't like arguing with you because you are one of the few inf I actually respect and am happy to clime down off my horse to attempt to duel. So I'll leave it at that.
Fine, but I never said it was an "excuse", i merely explained why things are like they are, hinting that we should strive to make ranged gameplay less annoying without nerfing them. (I've been vouching for the removal of jump-shot and roofcamping because it's annoying, and I think archers should be given access to better melee weps to compensate - more 0 and 1-slot weps.)
Free speech man - everyone's got to have a chance to express their opinion, however stupid.
That's why you got to dig down into the problem, what's causing these unreasonable nerf threads?
For ranged - I think it's because they are annoying to face on the battlefield, causing a lot of "rage" and thus leading to ppl whining on the forums. If we'd make ranged less annoying (NOT synomous with less powerful!), then we'd have less "raging" ppl playing and less unreasonable nerf threads to deal with. And an overall better mod imo.
Don't even bother shooting them sometimes but just bump them over and over until someone else comes to kill them.
bundle of sticks indeed.
Hey if I get one shotted by a guy in full armour using a crossbow at ridiculous ranges/angles, who also has a big arse sword as back up, then I'm going to make it my imperative to make them useless.
Besides the point.
Hey, if I can't use land to make a profit because villagers in some third world country won't sell it to me, then poisoning their water supply, or burning them out are viable choices as well.
Still makes me a bundle of sticks for doing it though.
Besides the point.
Hey, if I can't use land to make a profit because villagers in some third world country won't sell it to me, then poisoning their water supply, or burning them out are viable choices as well.
Still makes me a bundle of sticks for doing it though.
I dunno... I just don't know. Every day there is a new post about infantry hating cav or range... feels bad bro... feels bad. :cry:
I dunno... I just don't know. Every day there is a new post about infantry hating cav or range... feels bad bro... feels bad. :cry:
I wonder if Archers should start making mass nerf threads about shielders since it "is annoying" to fight them...
I wonder if Archers should start making mass nerf threads about shielders since it "is annoying" to fight them...
I wonder if Archers should start making mass nerf threads about shielders since it "is annoying" to fight them...
I wonder if Archers should start making mass nerf threads about shielders since it "is annoying" to fight them...
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because its one of the few infantry you cant kite and kill?= making infantry completely useless, and unable to kill archers. :rolleyes:
it was sarcasm broskie.I know, but i would still like to make the point i did. Since it has quite much to do with this thread.
So Tears whats your point anyhow with this thread, want a buff or just some love?
in my opinion in a point of view of an infantry bot, we need ranged my old friends as easy mode cav (that what you talking about elitist shit? ;) ), anyway we need those like a good food needs spices.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,15984.0.htmlso by pointing me to another thread your point would be?
so by pointing me to another thread your point would be?
1. being elitist , not bothering and reading/answering what i had to say
2. saving energy while you could post more stuff
3. trying to make me aware of the other thread about i even less care
4. pointing me to the godless elitist you were mentioning, which then would ... still not get me anywere
5. just trying to keep the thread alife, ... well done i fall for it!
i don't get it.
- there wasn't so much chaos and hatred when blockcrushing got removed from morningstar and barmace.
- there wasn't so much chaos and hatred when devs implemented the new nocking arrow animation.
- there wasn't so much chaos and hatred when 2h sword stab damage got a 30% nerf.
- there wasn't so much chaos and hatred when shields forcefield was reduced.
- there wasn't so much chaos and hatred when throwing got destroyed (rebalanced months later but instantly and utterly destroyed by a patch before).
- there wasn't so much chaos and hatred when upkeep was introduced.
why the hell now butthurt people (mostly archers) keep feeding the hate without just fuc*in chill a second?
As an Elitist infantry asshole, I gotta say, archers and cav are the greediest players in this game.
Can't tell you how many times so friendly archer or cav has lanced/headshot/horsebumped/arrowstunned me to death trying to kill someone I was clearly beating. Talk about Tunnel vision.
As an Elitist infantry asshole, I gotta say, archers and cav are the greediest players in this game.
Can't tell you how many times so friendly archer or cav has lanced/headshot/horsebumped/arrowstunned me to death trying to kill someone I was clearly beating. Talk about Tunnel vision.
Don't get me wrong, infantry has this problem too, but it at least it seems like inf tries to avoid tks like that. That said, I don't really lobby for ridiculous nerfs because I recognize at the end of the day its not the game that is the problem. Its the kill hungry douchebags who think they are helping, but are actually hurting.
Actually,
- Me and others whined endlessly about the blockcrush on morningstar & barmace
- Community (- archers) whined about machineguns in cRPG
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The hate-boat never docked, it just went off the radar for a little while :)
I like how tears only quoted part of my post then replied to that. You should be a politician bro.
seems really energy concerned, 2 of my now 4 posts only edited and reposted, you live the green way of life Tears don't you :mrgreen:
Cavalry have to backstab people, which is pretty stupid. Honestly, they're useless (they fucking have to be at this point) in strat. YES, they CAN get MANY kills if they're skilled in battle, but the point is that those kills are peasants, afk's, and people who aren't paying attention.cav described in your words is like hunting the sick of tribe of animals, health police and thats ok, but there are some really good cav players who can easily kill me even as i have then my awlpike equiped (jeez i miss my sheatable bamboo spear)
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I think that crossbows are needlessly OP. Why does everyone complain about archers? They're killed by projectiles. Crossbows, in the state they're in, add WAY too many projectiles to the field. Yes, I understand about medieval warfare encompassing all types of weapons, blah, blah, blah. But balance is definitely an issue. Scare off the masses of xbow users by slightly nerfing crossbows. This will help cav and ranged as well as melee players.
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I'm just sayin its hard to discuss something with someone who insists on using the chewbacca defense.
As I was saying, Infantry is far more aware of Accidently Tking people relative to say....archers who think they are fucking legolas.
As an Elitist infantry asshole, I gotta say, archers and cav are the greediest players in this game.
Can't tell you how many times so friendly archer or cav has lanced/headshot/horsebumped/arrowstunned me to death trying to kill someone I was clearly beating. Talk about Tunnel vision.
Don't get me wrong, infantry has this problem too, but it at least it seems like inf tries to avoid tks like that. That said, I don't really lobby for ridiculous nerfs because I recognize at the end of the day its not the game that is the problem. Its the kill hungry douchebags who think they are helping, but are actually hurting.
cav described in your words is like hunting the sick of tribe of animals, health police and thats ok, but there are some really good cav players who can easily kill me even as i have then my awlpike equiped (jeez i miss my sheatable bamboo spear)
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I fail to understand why you want me to quote the whole thing... I also see as much "Berserkers" as I do cav bumping idiots or legolas archers.
Here we go:
Your entire post was about Archers and Cav causing more tks, so I replied that I have died more often to melee swing happy players then other classes.
Greedy players are in everything.
The red in your post is the only thing that my response could not be directed to.
So... why would I bother quoting the whole thing?
but there are those spamming assholes...
Your reply to my post was something along the lines of "INFANTRY TKS MOAR, HA!" And in my original post I address this by saying that while infantry is more aware of the risks of being a kill greedy dickhead than cav and archers.
I don't expect cav to help me kill an enemy when I'm locked in a 1v1 battle with someone. The only time Cav or archer should ever help an inf in battle like that is if the combatants are a couple feet apart. If you engage under any other circumstance, you're a kill hungry ass.
Thats where we disagree Tears. These support classes aren't always locked in constantly combat like inf. In a battle, Infantry has to be aware of where is allies and enemies are at all times or that is his ass. An archer doesn't have to worry about that shit. All an archer has to worry about is sitting on a hill/roof whilst casually sipping cognac and taking potshots at targets softened up by infantry.
I'd say more people play infantry right than they do cav or archer. Infantry and cav are harder classes to truly excel at.
Derp, I meant cav and archers are classes that are harder to excel at.Why isn't xbow on your list? :(
Being Leshma must be pretty boring.
Saying the same thing over and over.
Buff me, nerf everybody else.i can drink to that
Okey, pretty funny I admit, but in what way exactly does melee infantry fuck up your gameplay?
Ranged fucks up my gameplay because they "fight" me at a distance where I cannot strike back and with attacks that render my primary means of defence useless (blocking). They also fuck up my gameplay because they have means to make me completely USELESS (roofcamping/kiting). Thus it doesn't matter how good the archer is that I'm "fighting", I'm gonna die anyways. Also, they force me to spend a lot of my time spazzing out and hiding instead of doing what I enjoy in this game - melee combat.
Don't take me wrong - I ofc think ranged should stay and be part of the game (I just listed what I do not like about ranged, there are things I enjoy about them too)
Melee fucks up ranged how...? You want to shoot stuff, fine they're not stopping you. You want to sit on a roof around a campfire with your buddies? Sure go ahead. You want to err... be able to play this game with only one hand...? No problems, roofcamping ftw :/
Being Leshma must be pretty boring.
Saying the same thing over and over.
It's just that they nerfed 90% of the fallen brigade now.
Also, how exactly does fighting only in melee help keep the game diverse when medieval warfare encompassed all types of classes?Nothing is historically accurate in cRPG, but least of all they way archers function in game.
Nothing is historically accurate in cRPG, but least of all they way archers function in game.
I wonder why I postWhats wrong with being selective when quoting people?
Whats wrong with being selective when quoting people?
I play Cavalry until my horse dies, Ranged until I'm out of javelins, and Infantry until I can steal another horse. :shock:
As an archer I see constant changes to archery and cavalry, but when was the last time those annoying 2-hander tin cans running around got nerfed? never.
Nothing is historically accurate in cRPG, but least of all they way archers function in game.
Yes, because taking snips from a post and quoting them out of context is a perfectly valid way to have a discussion.
2H are the only skilled people in this game :D
Anyone who complains about ranged should just buy a forcefield: they are available in the shop in the Shields section, once you have enough points into them they stop arrows even from directly behind you. Problem solved. I dont own a shield, I have no problem being shot at, if you are aware of the ranged player, he cannot hit you unless you run in easily predictable patterns. Ive been playing M&B since all we could do was kick boxes around, there is no comeback to my comments, save yourself the time and bother:
Grey, you do know that shields in cRPG don't work like in Native, right? The devs reworked them so that only the physical model of the shield protects you, the "forcefield" is gone. There was a huge hullabaloo about it months ago, but you may be new, so it's forgivable. I think that shield skill does still add to resistance, but there's no forcefield in cRPG, people often get shot around the 30° or so protection the physical model of the shield covers.
Also, dont talk about native, native classes are balanced, and fixed stats. BALANCED. By proffesionals. So there's no OP class. It's an intresting idea, huh?
lmao, not sure if trolling
LOL AND LOL. Forcefields STILL in effect, and I've been playin this since it first went up on MBrep...2 years ago maybe...I dunno, cant remember now.
Now, before you talk shit, do your research: Huscarl shielder with Rightmouse held down CANNOT be shot from infront, with stationary shield, even tho his feet and/or head must be visible at one time or another. SO don't talk rubbish. Shields STILL pull arrows off course and into them, you cannot deny what can be proved in seconds. I bet you would still believe in Santa if you were told he excists. Grow up.
Also, dont talk about native, native classes are balanced, and fixed stats. BALANCED. By proffesionals. So there's no OP class. It's an intresting idea, huh?
LOL AND LOL. Forcefields STILL in effect
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Just take out anything that isn't a bow, seriously.
Melee infantry tally up around like 90% of the kills in any given Battle match. If you're tired of getting stabbed in the back when shooting dirt and trees on a hill a mile away then either join us, or continue being usless, killless minges.
No and No. You're full of shit. Some shields have models large enough to cover the majority of your body, but the forcefields are gone. 7 Shield skill, Heater shield. Shot in the head or feet constantly depending on where I aim it in the hopes that it's where the archer is pointed (since the models you're looking at don't give you any fucking clue unless they point straight down, or straight up into the sky.) Side shots ALWAYS and backshots duh.
You don't own a shield as you said. Talking out of your ass? Yes you are.
Went and bought a Huscarl. It stops everything including the rain.You revived the thread for that?
You revived the thread for that?
Also, dont talk about native, native classes are balanced, and fixed stats. BALANCED. By proffesionals. So there's no OP class. It's an intresting idea, huh?
Infantry is fucking retarded, i mean who the hell plays this game to swing swords like a moron. Realy chadz should buff ranged, it is so weak right now archers and especialy xbows cant do shit to to all those tincans with flamberges running around.
BUFF RANGED!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh man you never fail to deliver. Native classes balanced, oh jeez, good one.
LOL AND LOL. Forcefields STILL in effect, and I've been playin this since it first went up on MBrep...2 years ago maybe...I dunno, cant remember now.
Now, before you talk shit (but after your grammar), do your research: Huscarl shielder with Rightmouse held down CANNOT be shot from infront (wat?), with stationary shield, even tho his feet and/or head must be visible at one time or another. SO don't talk rubbish. Shields STILL pull arrows (awww?) off course and into them, you cannot deny what can be proved in seconds. I bet you would still believe in Santa if you were told he excists. Grow up (grammar is correct here).
Also, dont talk about native, native classes are balanced, and fixed stats. BALANCED. By proffesionals (graduated in balanceology...). So there's no OP class. It's an intresting idea, huh? (where is the idea in this mess? huh?)
Grow up
Grow up
Grow up
Grow up
Grow up
Can this community stop abusing the word "Elitist" and instead use what they're actually talking about: Arrogance. I just read through the first few pages and facepalmed.
e·lit·ism [ih-lee-tiz-uhm, ey-lee-]
noun
1.
practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2.
consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.
As an Elitist I am actually pretty bothered by how much this community completely misconstrues Elitism.
Or from the wiki article:
"Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite a select group of people with intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern."
Elitism does not even imply arrogance, though they are often found together. What it DOES imply, is credibility.
Much appreciated.
i think you just mislead trolling attempts for arrogance:
TROLL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)
It is SO fucking ironic that YOU of all people should write that.
I am starting to think the majority of people don't know why I started this thread...