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Title: Polearms now collide with ground & overheads with teammates in EU 1 !!!
Post by: kono yaro! on September 13, 2011, 04:31:39 pm
 :shock:
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Post by: Serfonz on September 13, 2011, 04:40:01 pm
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Post by: Dom.Miguel on September 13, 2011, 04:50:38 pm
True story
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Post by: Kafein on September 13, 2011, 05:08:12 pm
Wtf... this is true I'm on EU_1
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... I couldn't stop laughing but.. what?
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Post by: Teeth on September 13, 2011, 05:14:20 pm
Props to the team!
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Post by: Serfonz on September 13, 2011, 05:27:49 pm
This is also now live on Nordmen server!
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 13, 2011, 05:29:41 pm
Maybe we will see slightly less "longspears/Pikes are too powerful" threads now, hopefully.
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Post by: Mala on September 13, 2011, 05:35:36 pm
Maybe we will see slightly less "longspears/Pikes are too powerful" threads now, hopefully.

Haha, no way.
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Post by: The_Angle on September 13, 2011, 05:41:38 pm
I am indifferent, I never had a problem with spears in the first place, honestly I haven't been given a reason to whine about them.
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Post by: Kafein on September 13, 2011, 06:06:55 pm
I am indifferent, I never had a problem with spears in the first place, honestly I haven't been given a reason to whine about them.

This. Furthermore I think it will hurt 2h lolstabbers more than polearms.
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Post by: MaHuD on September 13, 2011, 06:09:21 pm
Was wondering why it wasn't activated before :O
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Post by: Quallen on September 13, 2011, 06:18:06 pm
No more longswords men swinging straight down? I couldn't be happier
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Post by: WaltF4 on September 13, 2011, 06:38:20 pm
Maybe we will see slightly less "longspears/Pikes are too powerful" threads now, hopefully.

I doubt much will change about the complaints. You can look up instead of down. The only time I think this will actually matter is when trying to hit fallen horsemen, which is already frustratingly random at times.
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Post by: Thucydides on September 13, 2011, 06:41:12 pm
I doubt much will change about the complaints. You can look up instead of down. The only time I think this will actually matter is when trying to hit fallen horsemen, which is already frustratingly random at times.

this, my pike will still go through walls
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Post by: cmp on September 13, 2011, 06:51:46 pm
this, my pike will still go through walls

Not for long.
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Post by: Thucydides on September 13, 2011, 06:55:00 pm
Not for long.

OH SHI
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Post by: Teeth on September 13, 2011, 07:07:21 pm
Btw its there for all weapons. The only thing I found very annoying is that its ridiculously hard now to hit a downed cavalryman while hes rolling on the floor, which is a buff to cav, which they really do not need. Oh wait, also, maps like ruined fort have very steep mountainsides where fighting is really weird now.

This is WSE stuff right? What's the ETA on those damn tasty looking fire arrows? Or animations from different animation groups combined?
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Post by: Lichen on September 13, 2011, 07:14:37 pm
*awaits whining*
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Post by: Leesin on September 13, 2011, 07:22:03 pm
Btw its there for all weapons. The only thing I found very annoying is that its ridiculously hard now to hit a downed cavalryman while hes rolling on the floor, which is a buff to cav, which they really do not need. Oh wait, also, maps like ruined fort have very steep mountainsides where fighting is really weird now.

This is WSE stuff right? What's the ETA on those damn tasty looking fire arrows? Or animations from different animation groups combined?

I don't think there would any point to fire arrows in cRPG, but that's just my own opinion lol. But there are plenty more awesome features that can be added, can't wait to see what's in store.
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Post by: Christo on September 13, 2011, 07:23:18 pm
Holy mother of god.

I have to check this out.

So, it looks like WSE kicked in? Heck yea!
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Post by: Teeth on September 13, 2011, 07:28:10 pm
I don't think there would any point to fire arrows in cRPG, but that's just my own opinion lol. But there are plenty more awesome features that can be added, can't wait to see what's in store.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8g0ZI8lP34

No point? Look at it! The points is pure awesomeness.

On a more serious note, I think fire arrows could be used to destroy various siege equipment, have a bonus against shields or deal damage over time.
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 13, 2011, 07:40:44 pm
As well as increasing noticable lag due to all the particles.
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Post by: Leshma on September 13, 2011, 07:42:49 pm
Not for long.

But what will duelers do? No more stabbin' legs through the ground :cry: :cry:
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Post by: Christo on September 13, 2011, 07:46:49 pm
In my opinion, 2h lolstabs are still damn viable. So are polearms', they'll just find another way.
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Post by: Leshma on September 13, 2011, 07:51:49 pm
some uncool bugs emerged cause of this...
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 13, 2011, 07:52:35 pm
some uncool bugs emerged cause of this...


Please, do explain.
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Post by: Osiris on September 13, 2011, 08:00:34 pm
apparantly if you hit the floor with a pike then pick up a bow you shoot pikes
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 13, 2011, 08:01:26 pm
apparantly if you hit the floor with a pike then pick up a bow you shoot pikes

This can't be true!  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: Banok on September 13, 2011, 08:02:34 pm
interesting...
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Post by: The_Angle on September 13, 2011, 08:11:30 pm
This. Furthermore I think it will hurt 2h lolstabbers more than polearms.
I'm not a two-hander.
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Post by: Thomek on September 13, 2011, 08:13:35 pm
cmp, is this your WSE in action?

must have been some hardcore coding and decoding job.. awesumness!
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Post by: Christo on September 13, 2011, 08:33:59 pm
apparantly if you hit the floor with a pike then pick up a bow you shoot pikes

lol
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Post by: Sergee on September 13, 2011, 08:47:32 pm
YA BOY!!!!
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Post by: SquishMitten on September 13, 2011, 08:49:58 pm
And there was much rejoicing.
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Post by: Tot. on September 13, 2011, 09:06:46 pm
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Except with the only sword of proper size for real men flamberge I keep hitting everything around me except the enemy infront.
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Post by: cmp on September 13, 2011, 09:10:54 pm
And you didn't see improved building collision yet. :D
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Post by: Gristle on September 13, 2011, 09:24:50 pm
Now add this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw1w6p8RNks
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Post by: cmp on September 13, 2011, 09:25:30 pm
Already in, just for level 5+ admins.
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Post by: The_Angle on September 13, 2011, 09:29:32 pm
Pop in on the server and start ripping those arrows through everybody and watch the Rage roll forth on an Elephant.

ADMINUSOABOOZS@KQ:L"K£


NOMYX5UNOOBSJL
Title: Re: Polearms now collide with ground & overheads with teammates in EU 1 !!!
Post by: wayyyyyne on September 13, 2011, 09:33:25 pm
In my opinion, 2h lolstabs are still damn viable. So are polearms', they'll just find another way.

You don't even touch the ground with a danish great sword while holding a thurst and looking down as much as possible. You only actually stabbed through the floor when you released the thrust.

spent ~1 hour on EU3 and I wouldn't have noticed it if someone didn't tell me about.
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Post by: Teeth on September 13, 2011, 09:36:35 pm
You don't even touch the ground with a danish great sword while holding a thurst and looking down as much as possible. You only actually stabbed through the floor when you released the thrust.

spent ~1 hour on EU3 and I wouldn't have noticed it if someone didn't tell me about.
Exactly, but on slopes its a different thing. I tried to kill someone on the mountainside in ruined fort. It was awful, dozens of interrupted strikes by the both of us.
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Post by: Mala on September 13, 2011, 10:07:35 pm
Umm eu3 is ot eu1.
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Post by: Leshma on September 13, 2011, 10:30:07 pm
And you didn't see improved building collision yet. :D

I saw a lot of people floating in air shooting arrows on maps I've never seen that before...
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Post by: Slamz on September 13, 2011, 10:50:19 pm
Except with the only sword of proper size for real men flamberge I keep hitting everything around me except the enemy infront.
This is another long standing glitch that needs to be addressed anyway: the visual of the flamberge does not match the weapon's programmed length.

Either the sword should be about 3 feet longer than it currently is, visually, so that you understand where you're really swinging it, or else the length needs to be taken down to match the visual of the sword.

Problem solved!
Title: Re: Polearms now collide with ground & overheads with teammates in EU 1 !!!
Post by: wayyyyyne on September 13, 2011, 10:51:31 pm
Umm eu3 is ot eu1.

It has already been applied to all official servers afaik
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Post by: Jarlek on September 13, 2011, 11:08:26 pm
 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: [ptx] on September 13, 2011, 11:10:40 pm
OMG. Pike/Long spear needs a buff now :lol:
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Post by: DKriza on September 13, 2011, 11:44:06 pm
Another buff for shield cavalry,  if you aim low with pike you hit the ground, and if its high than "forcefield" protects the horse.
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Post by: Leshma on September 13, 2011, 11:50:02 pm
Until that WSE thingy makes things actually break in this game, I find it completely useless.

I mean wtf, this is just another 2h nerf, buff to all the lame already overused classes out there.
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Post by: Kryser on September 14, 2011, 12:50:39 am
Does this apply for NA and NA ats servers?
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Post by: epoch on September 14, 2011, 12:59:15 am
The day Chaos cried
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Post by: Dach on September 14, 2011, 03:56:11 am
The day Chaos cried

I lol'ed...  :P
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Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on September 14, 2011, 06:21:35 am
Does this apply for NA and NA ats servers?

I'm curious too because I haven't seen any difference today in-game.

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Post by: Tennenoth on September 14, 2011, 06:47:34 am
As far as I know and understand it hasn't been applied to NA as of yet.

I do know it's been applied to the Searaiders server too, not useful for you NA guys though, sorry lads! :(
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Post by: Xant on September 14, 2011, 06:49:58 am
In my opinion, 2h lolstabs are still damn viable. So are polearms', they'll just find another way.

There is no need to find "another way." This change did absolutely nothing to "lolstabs"...
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Post by: Kryser on September 14, 2011, 07:03:05 am
PLZ ADD THIS TO ALL NA SERVERS PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ
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Post by: Bothersome_Aldryk on September 14, 2011, 07:16:03 am
It IS added to the official NA servers. The overhead thing is fun. The stabs are really unnoticeable, and I say this as a dedicated thrust-user. You can check it out by stabbing the ground and seeing it bounce, but the average spinstab isn't affected.
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Post by: Kryser on September 14, 2011, 07:58:46 am
So it works on official and ATS servers now?
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Post by: Shik on September 14, 2011, 11:20:25 am
It has been working on official NA servers (since tuesday morning) for almost a day now, only a little bit after it was added to EU. Unless you go out of your way to overhead teammates (ban for twing) or thrust the ground you probably won't notice it.
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Post by: karasu on September 14, 2011, 01:48:32 pm
So, we're just giving more reasons to people play ranged classes? Wouldn't it be better to add these changes in a big "delivery" so that it doesn't hurt only one type of class? I mean the main reason this game is awesome is the melee combat system, and sadly 70% of the servers are ranged camping one shooting everything and the rest 1 button hit couching cavalry.

I'm not criticizing the changes, aux contraire, I've been always supportive of this action, only how it was delivered wasn't much diplomatic.

cheers.
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Post by: Oberyn on September 14, 2011, 01:52:16 pm
"how it was delivered wasn't much diplomatic"

Should be used to it by now. Just be thankful there was almost no trolling involved XD.
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Post by: karasu on September 14, 2011, 01:53:16 pm
Yeah I guess so..
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Post by: Leshma on September 14, 2011, 02:19:09 pm
I mean the main reason this game is awesome is the melee combat system, and sadly 70% of the servers are ranged camping one shooting everything and the rest 1 button hit couching cavalry.

I knew there was a reason I like you :)
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Post by: Old Autobus on September 14, 2011, 02:34:49 pm
love you cmp
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Post by: Teeth on September 14, 2011, 03:30:14 pm
Until that WSE thingy makes things actually break in this game, I find it completely useless.

I mean wtf, this is just another 2h nerf, buff to all the lame already overused classes out there.
I really dont feel nerfed, only on extreme slopes, but thats just the pain that comes with a long weapon.
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Post by: Memento_Mori on September 14, 2011, 03:44:52 pm
I seriously love you guys, nice work, very nice.
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Post by: karasu on September 14, 2011, 03:52:19 pm
I knew there was a reason I like you :)

Now now, where's ma lordly rus scale  :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Post by: Turkhammer on September 14, 2011, 04:13:53 pm
Would someone please explain in a cogent and understandable English sentence what you are all talking about?  I've read 5 pages of indirect references to WSE, whatever that is, and still don't really know what the changes are.  Is there some readme, cleverly hidden away, that would explain the effects on polearms?
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Post by: Overdriven on September 14, 2011, 04:17:42 pm
Is there some readme, cleverly hidden away, that would explain the effects on polearms?

Lol have you been playing crpg long?
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Post by: Jarlek on September 14, 2011, 04:35:45 pm
Would someone please explain in a cogent and understandable English sentence what you are all talking about?  I've read 5 pages of indirect references to WSE, whatever that is, and still don't really know what the changes are.  Is there some readme, cleverly hidden away, that would explain the effects on polearms?
Sigh. Before you could swing your weapon through the ground and, if at a certain range, buildings/objects/teammates. This has now been fixed. Same with the polearm overhead now having a hitbox behind it (like 2h does) for friendlies and not just enemies.

WSE is Warband Script Enhancer. It is something that cmpx made and which opens up for a lot more modding/changes/whatever of the warband engine. Check the taleworlds forum for more info about it. Some other mods use it already.

And readmes. They don't exist in cRPG. We are lucky if they just give us a listing of changes (like chadz did here (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,13858.0.html)) or a post where they inform that they have changed a long standing and well known problem like the thread you are reading now.
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Post by: Turkhammer on September 14, 2011, 04:42:45 pm
Thank you for taking the effort to answer zapper.  I appreciate that answering, what seem to be basic questions, may be exasperating.  It is helpful to people however.
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Post by: Turkhammer on September 14, 2011, 04:45:01 pm
Lol have you been playing crpg long?

What if I haven't?  Does your answer do anything to help me out?
In the time it took you to write a lame answer, you could have written a useful one.
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Post by: DKriza on September 14, 2011, 04:58:26 pm
Lol have you been playing crpg long?

Thats the saddest thing with this mode, you cant ask for help from people (devs) that should help you or inform you.
Even if they respond to question, its 50 % chance that they are trolling and lying.
Title: Re: Polearms now collide with ground & overheads with teammates in EU 1 !!!
Post by: Jarlek on September 14, 2011, 07:37:58 pm
Beginners help and guides. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,12.0.html) Nobody is allowed to troll there. Ask any questions you'd like there. If someone goes "herpaderpa ya noob lulzorz!" then contact this (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=225) guy. He will remove their posts and warn them.

But before you do any of those. Try the Search function in the top right. You wonder what WSE is? Type WSE in the search bar and look through the results after someone explaining it.
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Post by: Phew on September 14, 2011, 07:42:09 pm
This has now been fixed. Same with the polearm overhead now having a hitbox behind it (like 2h does) for friendlies and not just enemies.

The dozens of TKs I've gotten from the backswing of my Long Bardiche on overheads would seem to indicate that this has always been the case.

I'm glad they fixed the groundstabbing business, but I'll miss polearm overheads magically going through teammates. That was a fun mechanic to abuse.
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Post by: Overdriven on September 14, 2011, 07:45:09 pm
What if I haven't?  Does your answer do anything to help me out?
In the time it took you to write a lame answer, you could have written a useful one.

Well I know nothing about it. So no it would have taken me a lot longer because I would have had to find out myself. But tbh I've gotten used to the fact that things get changed in patches/server side and no one tells you what the hell has been changed half the time. The last patch had the longest changelist I think I've ever seen in crpg. Just figured if you've been here since jan (that's when you signed onto forums) you would have known that. Hence the post.

It was a joke anyway. More of a dig at the fact devs rarely post anything about what they change/why they change it than a dig at you. So chill out a little  :)