cRPG
cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Lawlcat on August 28, 2011, 01:06:45 am
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I can't seem to get parrying down. I lose every fight I get into because I can't parry for shit. Right now I HAVE to use my keyboard to parry, and that always screws up my movement and I lose anyway.
Everyone tells me to use mouse movement, but when I do that the game never registers my actual mouse movements. It'll "lag" sometimes. Like, I'll move down and right click, and the animation will start to play going down and then immediately go right or back up. Or it'll block a direction I wasn't even considering blocking in. So I try to use keyboard and still, I lose.
I've gone on the NA_Community duel server a lot and tried to duel people there, but I end up 0 or 1 kills and 20+ deaths. (On a side note, Blackrose_Sgt_Kaoklai is a massive fuckhead. I ask not to duel polearms because against them I have ZERO chance, so I'd like to learn on 1handers or 2handers until I get better. So he brings out a 2hand, duels me, and then swaps to a polearm at the start of the fight. He's done it twice and it's really fucking lame).
So what can I do? Is there anyway I can go single player and set the AI to just swing constantly to practice or something?
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Just go to the tutorial section of the game and duel the various weapon masters. You can keep dueling them over and over again. Just don't strike back and only block.
I HIGHLY recommend you figure out what's wrong with your mouse though and switch to mouse blocking. You're really handicapped against good players using keyboard blocking.
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I recommend you to go on Ndition duel server (if it's still on), there is bots with different level of difficulty and you can train all the night.
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The mouse blocking could be because of your settings, if you have it on "autodirection" or whatever it is, then it'll go screwy apparently. You might want to check for that but if it's not that, then I don't have any idea but it's worth a look.
Also, Nditions is live and kicking but most people on there know how to fight, so you'd have to fight the bots around the outside (same as singleplayer tutorial) or find someone willing to help you learn, there are normally a few people who would.
But it's EU, I gather from what you're saying, you're NA?
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Yea I'm from NA. I don't know if there's something specifically wrong with my mouse, I doubt it, or more the way I'm holding the mouse. I kind of have it angled and I dont know if just when I move it left it interprets it as down or what not, or why it would be lagging like that. I might film the "lag" but then I couldn't show the mouse movements along side it. Also, it's definitely set for mouse direction in options, not auto.
Also, I don't see a server in the list with Ndition anywhere on it :(
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Go duel in singleplayer for 30-60 mins and see if you still think your mouse is broken. Might just be you not "getting" it, sure happened to me at first, warband was so different from other games.
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Biggest hurdle for me has been trying to eliminate the reflex of turning to face the attacker while attempting to perform the block. Often results in a wrong block. Also, Time Warner.
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Go duel in singleplayer for 30-60 mins and see if you still think your mouse is broken. Might just be you not "getting" it, sure happened to me at first, warband was so different from other games.
AI sux, it's fast and unforgiving but it has no sense for improvisation. It's maybe better for him to go some of the native duel servers, there are some equally noobish people, not a bad way for starters. After that he can try some better native folks (average, not best) then come back to our duel servers and duel Bjord or someone like that and then go back to native to duel best of the best :D
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Nah. First you get the hang of the basics vs AI, then you go to native duel.
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You mentioned you hold your mouse angled; that's a big factor. I actually have to sit with my left side more towards the keyboard to keep my mouse in more of a straight 'x / y' axis. The game doesn't know how you sit or hold your mouse, so it's only going to interpret straight up/down/left/right movements for your blocks.
Also, you have to actually move your hand very deliberately and quickly. Doesn't have to be far, maybe just an inch or so, but it can't be just a flick of the wrist. When you flick your wrist only, your mouse usually turns a little - and the block may go down when intended to block left, or whatever.
Lastly, setting your mouse sensitivity under options is another big part of it. If it's too sensitive you'll be all over the screen. And obviously not sensitive enough and it requires too much hand movement to be effective, plus cuts down on your turning ability. Everyone likes different levels of sensitivity though, so you'll just have to try different settings out for maybe a day or so each, and see how it goes. I would start at somewhere around middle/medium speed first, and then adjust up or down according to your liking.
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it took me 4 months of no life playing before i got good at manual blocking. Practice is all i can offer as advice
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Also, you have to actually move your hand very deliberately and quickly. Doesn't have to be far, maybe just an inch or so, but it can't be just a flick of the wrist. When you flick your wrist only, your mouse usually turns a little - and the block may go down when intended to block left, or whatever.
If you are going to move an inch with every block, good luck with still keeping your opponent in view, also you'll be far too slow. The game is very sensitive, just a pixel in a certain direction and the block is a go, I recommend trying to use blocking movements as small as you can.
For me personally I think a very high sensitivity is better, you just have to get used to it, but when you are you can react very fast. Also you don't tire your wrist as much, cRPG is one of those games that can lead to serious carpal tunnel crap.
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You want a high sens yes, but not too high or you'll find yourself overturning blocks when you need to be fast.
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Go Nditions duel server (Native) and go against the nooby bot. I did this for about an hour a day and eventually i turned into a total sword fighting god man-beast *cough*. You kind of pick up how to block feinting from the excessive amount of it that happens in this mod. Good luck!
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Go Nditions duel server (Native) and go against the nooby bot. I did this for about an hour a day and eventually i turned into a total sword fighting god man-beast *cough*. You kind of pick up how to block feinting from the excessive amount of it that happens in this mod. Good luck!
I haven't been able to find that server in the list
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Don't bother anyhow. Just go fight the guy in tutorial, no lag and you won't die so no time wasted running to the bot. After you get a bit better, the Nditions champion fighter is pretty nice to practice against.
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Tutorial Bots are how I practiced chambering and a lot of my blocking. Now I can actually chamber with overheads and not rely on complete luck.
Great way to practice, I second what Xant said.
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Hey there. Sorry if one of our guys was being mean. the way you learn to parry is sorta like this...
1.) Timing
your timing is the most important thing to learn; you can have the right direction and the right button, but it really doesnt matter at all if you don't time it right.
2.) Reflexes
part of timing and blocking in general is regulated by reflexes; your ability to react to a known situation quickly.
3.) Prediction
being able to see one step ahead of a problem is helpful in any situation. chess anyone?
4.) Position
your position to the persons attack can mean no reaction time to alot of it. you can cause other people to glance if you are in the right spot. you can even evade them and move in for a swing. footwork is very important.
i started knowing little to nothing about 6 months ago; i started as a polearm and realized i sucked. went into the Risen and was trained by thovex, razzen, and GTX. after i went shield and got comfortable, i decided to make an NA clan with some of what i had learned, and ended up making Knights of the Black Rose. The Condemned, The Kingdom of Haven, and the Keepers of Abbadon were all formed by EX-Members of our clan, and has hosted some of the brightest fighters in CRPG.
I remember i would fight Cyranule and get creamed. when i fight him now... well i still get creamed :D but at least i get some hits in. i can go toe to toe with alot of people i see in duel, and i keep about a 1:1 kd with my character.
i would like to offer a hand as for the longest time, i have trained others to teach myself how to fight better, as well as almost all of our members are from people trying to improve, and for people who have shown prowess in duel.
if you would like, i'd like to train you, and introduce you to the clan. please pm me your reply.
Sincerely,
Sir Edward lV
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Set game speed to very slow and combat AI to poor.
Go to tutorial and start practice blocking, without attacking.
If you succeed in it, slowly bring up the game speed and the AI.
I did this until i could block easily at very fast and good AI. Then i practiced the timing between blocking and attacking ( on the same difficulty).
After i could do that good, i went to duel servers.
And the rest is history.
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dont forget that manual block are bugged and fails like 30% or 20% of times
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dont forget that manual block are bugged and fails like 30% or 20% of times
0.2% to 0.3% for me.
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I wouldn't suggest fighting AI.
But I played archer/HA so long I barely had a clue how to manual block as I hardly ever had to use it. I faced similar problems that you had. I started a 2h alt and practised for a long time on the duel servers. That's the only way to get good I'm afraid. Practice. You have to work out what is best for you situation and get used to the way your mouse works, hell even down to the way you sit ect. I know I went home and used my Dad's computer and the way it worked was completely different to mine. Expect to be owned on the duel servers for a fair time, especially because some good players are on them. But you'll be surprised how much you improve if you spend a couple of hours on a duel server against some guys who can block. I'd also suggest wearing some decent armour, just so you can prolong the duels when you do take hits.
Ignore the thing about moving your entire hand 1inch. That's suicide. The game is very sensitive and you only need to move you mouse a small amount to make the block direction change. Not even really a flick of the wrist. Though I do sometimes find my mouse sliding off the edge of the desk in really intense duels :lol:
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1.) Timing
your timing is the most important thing to learn; you can have the right direction and the right button, but it really doesnt matter at all if you don't time it right.
There is no timing in blocking, it's either be on time or be too late, but you can't be too early.
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I think he is refering to holding the block for too long thus robbing yourself of a proper counterattack.
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If you really want to learn how to block/play the game, start with just blocking in the tutorial, and then play native on fastest. cRPG will seem easy after playing that for afew months.
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Hey, Sir_Donke y here. For you I think the problem is the hand movement. I used to hold my mouse tilted and my flick my wrist to block, and I would end up blocking the wrong direction all the time.
I suggest you be more conscious of the direction you are moving your mouse, and learn the hand/wrist movement for each block direction that will work every single time. Open up microsoft paint and try drawing straight vertical and horizontal lines over and over. The directions you move your mouse to obtain perfect horizontal and vertical lines are the directions you move your mouse to block.
Learn the movements and constantly practice the blocking drills I showed you in the duel server. Keep practicing until you can repeat the drills over and over without messing up a block. Remember, the drills are made for your wrist to obtain muscle memory of every block direction, once you have that muscle memory, you will never mess up a block.