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Title: This is why...
Post by: Osiris on August 27, 2011, 05:17:44 pm
I hate xbows :D First bashi bazouk but i didnt get a screenie then i run round a corner on siege into this group of HRE :D everyone has an xbow :(

edit :D i tried to ninja attack from above but i got shot so many times i stopped in mid air :/

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Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Earthdforce on August 27, 2011, 05:19:00 pm
Haha, that's a pretty good idea actually.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: B3RS3RK on August 27, 2011, 05:26:27 pm
this is why...this is why Im hot, Im hot cuz I fly, you aint cause you not, this is why, this is why im hot.

Oh yeah..

Xbows rock.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Turkhammer on August 27, 2011, 05:57:13 pm
Get a shield.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: dreadnok on August 27, 2011, 09:50:08 pm
hey turk half of them go thru sheilds
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Thovex on August 27, 2011, 10:13:47 pm
Get a good shield.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: NuberT on August 27, 2011, 10:36:19 pm
yeah you met the yellow fun brigade, which means fun for us not for the enemyteam :D

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Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Digglez on August 27, 2011, 10:56:00 pm
when they're that densely packed their easy prey for corner strafing with your own ranged.

or you could have just as easily shot/stabbed them thru the gate
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Riddaren on August 27, 2011, 11:02:29 pm
Nice to see some people making use of tactics for a change instead of the random charging on every map.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Osiris on August 27, 2011, 11:16:01 pm
oh i loled a lot :D if we did that i would be too busy laughing to kill anyone :D
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Inporylem on August 27, 2011, 11:18:15 pm
I would have loved to jump there with my pony :)
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Varyag on August 27, 2011, 11:23:13 pm
Every1 has an xbow cos 2handers now own the game and shielders are in deep **S. As simple as that.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Christo on August 27, 2011, 11:27:01 pm
Meh.

Another ranged campsquad.

Why am I not surprised cRPG is turning into this?

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Inporylem on August 27, 2011, 11:27:17 pm
Everyone has a xbow because you dont need to waste any points on it and still be supereffective and deal shitloads of dmg. This also remind me of the biggest flaw in this game.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Riddaren on August 28, 2011, 12:14:48 am
Everyone has a xbow because you dont need to waste any points on it and still be supereffective and deal shitloads of dmg. This also remind me of the biggest flaw in this game.

With 0 wpf you will have to pay upkeep almost every round though. And you only aim well at close distance with 0 wpf.
I don't think it is unbalanced to be honest.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Kafein on August 28, 2011, 01:22:09 am
With 0 wpf you will have to pay upkeep almost every round though. And you only aim well at close distance with 0 wpf.
I don't think it is unbalanced to be honest.

Crossbows should only be barely better than other ranged crap when used without dedicating your char to it.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 28, 2011, 01:24:52 am
I was there! I saw your team of little yellow men, it was great fun and cool to see 10 guys wearing same clothes and doing the same thing!!
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: rustyspoon on August 28, 2011, 01:28:22 am
With 0 wpf you will have to pay upkeep almost every round though. And you only aim well at close distance with 0 wpf.
I don't think it is unbalanced to be honest.

Cost is the worst way of balancing anything especially since you don't have to worry about it after retiring once and selling an heirloom point.

Also, a regular crossbow with steel bolts does 60(!) pierce damage and being accurate with it doesn't matter much. You can either shoot into a crowd where you'll most likely hit someone; or you can shotgun someone up close. If that doesn't kill them, pull out your sword and hit them once.

Crossbows will always be a problem especially as pewpew is becoming more and more popular. I don't know why people play a game with FANTASTIC melee mechanics and then just want to shoot each other all day.  :rolleyes:

Though back to the original topic, I do find this really funny.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Gorath on August 28, 2011, 07:12:24 pm
Crossbows will always be a problem especially as pewpew is becoming more and more popular. I don't know why people play a game with FANTASTIC melee mechanics and then just want to shoot each other all day.  :rolleyes:

Because it's easier, takes no effort, less learning/skill and the melee guys can't shoot back.  It's like playing an FPS vs people that only carry the knife and have had their movement slowed down to a snails pace.

But anyways, you are now going to be flamed as a whining bundle of sticks for this remark most likely because that seems to be the response in my experience as I've been asking this same fucking question since the damned TW forums and even back in Native when everyone and their brother started pew pewing.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Overdriven on August 28, 2011, 07:21:54 pm
No...it's because it's also one of the only MP games where you can use archery/xbow. Just the same as any other aspect of the period in this game. A lot less people tend to be ranged than melee, so not everyone is doing it. It's just melee bitch and moan a lot about ranged.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: tankmen on August 28, 2011, 07:31:33 pm
No...it's because it's also one of the only MP games where you can use archery/xbow. Just the same as any other aspect of the period in this game. A lot less people tend to be ranged than melee, so not everyone is doing it. It's just melee bitch and moan a lot about ranged and cavalry.
fixed it for you  :wink:.

joking aside most people are two hand or pole arm with no shield not even 0 Difficulty ones. That is why they bitch, but its there own damn fault, if there was a large increase in 1h/w shields then you'd see less range on due to being unable to hit any one aware of them. i have 5 shield skill as two hand, i quit 1 hand because so many things shot around or through my shield but had no other areas to put my points in.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: rustyspoon on August 28, 2011, 08:11:33 pm
i quit 1 hand because so many things shot around or through my shield

Yeah, that is always my response to the "buy a shield" comments. If there is more than one ranged player on and they aren't complete idiots it's easy to shoot around a shield.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Leshma on August 28, 2011, 08:18:19 pm
If a guy is using kite shield, has about 3-5 shield skill and is noobish enough, I being noob archer, will kill him. Most people raise shield to protect their face and that's when I strike at their sneakers.. uhm I mean shoes.

Also 2H guys don't want to use shields because they slow you down significantly.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Kafein on August 28, 2011, 08:54:02 pm
Every1 has an xbow cos 2handers now own the game and shielders are in deep **S. As simple as that.

This. Buff shields. At least maybe we are going to see more than 5 of them each round if the coverage wasn't so fucked up. Actually unless you have 6+ shield any projectile can go through a shield model simply because the actual coverage is smaller than the shield model.

And even if this isn't true, I think that shield coverage should be buffed back to pre-shield nerf. Even if "force fields" aren't realistic, they balance this class, and the whole game because more numberous and more effective shielders leads to less ranged garbage.

Actually, shields are totally fucked up in many melee situations (too many backpedallers mostly). So buff shields back and see the game balancing itself better.


Also 2H guys don't want to use shields because they slow you down significantly.

I forgot that. Shields turn a player into a meatshield ready to be ganked. A shield significantly reduces tactical options because you move slower than everyone else.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Varric on August 28, 2011, 09:00:10 pm
They're almost like muskets!
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Teeth on August 28, 2011, 09:02:21 pm
Cost is the worst way of balancing anything especially since you don't have to worry about it after retiring once and selling an heirloom point.
Sure, flush 70 hours down the drain to use a crossbow with 0 wpf, which has the cost/effectiveness of a equus africanus asinus turd. I thought it was a brilliant idea to start carrying an xbow alongside my 2h. Every round I spent about 3 minutes shooting and reloading my xbow, but my average battle score was way lower than without it. It costs a lot of time and gold without actually granting you much kills, or fun for that matter.

Oh yes and the weight of course!

This. Buff shields. At least maybe we are going to see more than 5 of them each round if the coverage wasn't so fucked up. Actually unless you have 6+ shield any projectile can go
Actually, shields are totally fucked up in many melee situations (too many backpedallers mostly). So buff shields back and see the game balancing itself better.

I forgot that. Shields turn a player into a meatshield ready to be ganked. A shield significantly reduces tactical options because you move slower than everyone else.
Shield has other tactical options, breaking stalemates etc. I really dont see the need to buff shields. I see dozens of super effective shielders and every good shielder is a huge challenge, especially because of the leftslash, which at closerange hits very fast and always hits the face.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: PieParadox on August 29, 2011, 12:01:09 am
Sure, flush 70 hours down the drain to use a crossbow with 0 wpf, which has the cost/effectiveness of a equus africanus asinus turd. I thought it was a brilliant idea to start carrying an xbow alongside my 2h. Every round I spent about 3 minutes shooting and reloading my xbow, but my average battle score was way lower than without it. It costs a lot of time and gold without actually granting you much kills, or fun for that matter.

Oh yes and the weight of course!
Shield has other tactical options, breaking stalemates etc. I really dont see the need to buff shields. I see dozens of super effective shielders and every good shielder is a huge challenge, especially because of the leftslash, which at closerange hits very fast and always hits the face.

How to use the crossbow:

Shoot good/armoured players when they are coming towards you/attacking teammates.

Melee everyone else.

edit: Just like in real life!

"Arbalests were sometimes considered inhumane or unfair weapons, since an inexperienced arbalestier could use one to kill a knight who had a lifetime of training. "

http://www.medievalwarfare.info/weapons.htm#crossbows

Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 29, 2011, 12:20:40 am
The Catholic Church even banned their use on other Christians (not that anyone payed much attention to that law just like the "no bloodshed on Sundays" law).
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Christo on August 29, 2011, 12:23:09 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiTMIgKnVog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiTMIgKnVog)

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Earthdforce on August 29, 2011, 12:23:24 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyE3WJ4AWo
This is why...
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Xant on August 29, 2011, 01:06:13 am
I don't think it's been this bad ever before.... everyone is using an xbow/bow or throwing. It's a rangefest currently, and the icing on the cake is that they all camp on roofs.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Inporylem on August 29, 2011, 01:08:02 am
I don't think it's been this bad ever before.... everyone is using an xbow/bow or throwing. It's a rangefest currently, and the icing on the cake is that they all camp on unreachable roofs.

A little fix, other than that you hit the spot.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Gristle on August 29, 2011, 01:10:26 am
Shields seem OK to me. Battle awareness goes a long way. Once you're aware of the archer behind you, you just have to hope he doesn't have perfect timing with the archer in front of you. If there's 4+ archers all camping an area, I choose to wait for flags if possible.

I don't think it's been this bad ever before.... everyone is using an xbow/bow or throwing. It's a rangefest currently, and the icing on the cake is that they all camp on roofs.

It's always been like this. Even before upkeep when everyone wore full plate with sniper crossbow sidearms and bows didn't come with a super long firing animation.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Xant on August 29, 2011, 02:00:23 am
It's ridiculous how every time an admin isn't on, you get tons of unreachable roof campers. They should just disable ladders.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 29, 2011, 02:01:55 am
It's ridiculous how every time an admin isn't on, you get tons of unreachable roof campers. They should just disable ladders.

It is ridiculous that some people will exploit or cheat if allowed? Good sir I find your faith and expectations in humanity to be rather refreshing.

I say the solution is simply this: More late-time admins.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Christo on August 29, 2011, 02:02:58 am
They should just disable ladders.

This.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Xant on August 29, 2011, 02:10:09 am
I say the solution is simply this: More late-time admins.

You'd need a lot more, and there'd still be times admins aren't on. Plus is it really that fun for anyone to have the ranged camp on an unreachable roof until they're the last ones and drop down? Why do we need ladders?
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Leshma on August 29, 2011, 02:17:27 am
These last few days, man...

I would ban, not warn, ban every time I see some prick with a "funny" name for like a whole week. And I would take notes so next time I ban that prick it would be at least 6 months.

Enough with that goody goody attitude.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 29, 2011, 02:19:10 am
You'd need a lot more, and there'd still be times admins aren't on. Plus is it really that fun for anyone to have the ranged camp on an unreachable roof until they're the last ones and drop down? Why do we need ladders?

If we have tighter map quality control then yes I would support ladders being disabled for standard battle.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Nehvar on August 29, 2011, 02:27:03 am
You'd need a lot more, and there'd still be times admins aren't on. Plus is it really that fun for anyone to have the ranged camp on an unreachable roof until they're the last ones and drop down? Why do we need ladders?

Agreed. Disable ladders on Battle servers.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Siiem on August 29, 2011, 02:32:07 am
This.

Or, invisible wall every fucking roof there is in battle if it can be done. Because there are still roofs that can be reached with enough athletics and some jumping skills.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Adam_Bomb on August 29, 2011, 02:36:00 am
You'd need a lot more, and there'd still be times admins aren't on. Plus is it really that fun for anyone to have the ranged camp on an unreachable roof until they're the last ones and drop down? Why do we need ladders?

I'm not sure what servers you guys are playing on, but ladders are pretty damn rare as far as I've seen on NA 1 at least. The slot patch made it so hardly anyone brings them anymore.  Much ado about nothing if you ask me.  Whiners just looking for the next whine...
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Siiem on August 29, 2011, 03:02:45 am
I'm not sure what servers you guys are playing on, but ladders are pretty damn rare as far as I've seen on NA 1 at least. The slot patch made it so hardly anyone brings them anymore.  Much ado about nothing if you ask me.  Whiners just looking for the next whine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmuPc8_SWQ
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Erasmas on August 29, 2011, 03:09:14 am
Now, that is cool, HRE. I have seen that live, it is even more cool!!!

Xbowman.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Warcat on August 29, 2011, 03:17:26 am
It's ridiculous how every time an admin isn't on, you get tons of unreachable roof campers. They should just disable ladders.

Often whenever I'm on a roof the other side chooses to break the ladder and make it unreachable just so they can whine about people getting in unreachable places.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Christo on August 29, 2011, 04:49:04 am
Hah! Like the archers up there would allow anyone up.

They would destroy the ladder while you try to move up.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Lichen on August 29, 2011, 05:26:38 am
These crossbowers are using team tactics! BAN TACTICS! BAN RANGED!!!:cry: CRY :cry: CRY :cry: CRY :cry:

sarcasm
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Xant on August 29, 2011, 05:36:04 am
Hah! Like the archers up there would allow anyone up.

They would destroy the ladder while you try to move up.

Yes, I've had archers rage at me for destroying a ladder that they had hit a few times so it was 1 hit away from being destroyed... and it was placed so that anyone on it when it got destroyed would die from the fall. "Omg it's your problem that it's unreachable, you destroyed the ladder!"
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Cepeshi on August 29, 2011, 05:38:14 am
Cav players bitching about not being able to pick off all archers one by one, cause they can actually climb on roofs  :shock:

But yeah, on battle maps, if you cannot get to the roof without ladder, you should not be there, let ladders be pure siege/strat stuff. (on the other hand, if you get a roofcampity map, one well placed ladder can turn the tide aswell, but again, if you could not use them, you would not need to counter roofmonkeys  :mrgreen:)
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Christo on August 29, 2011, 05:59:53 am
Yes, I've had archers rage at me for destroying a ladder that they had hit a few times so it was 1 hit away from being destroyed... and it was placed so that anyone on it when it got destroyed would die from the fall. "Omg it's your problem that it's unreachable, you destroyed the ladder!"

Typical ranged douchebaggery.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: OzyTheSage on August 29, 2011, 05:59:34 pm
Lazy, skimmed the thread.

Obviously this means that firebombs should be buffed. I.E. they explode and maybe do a little damage, and if people just camp the spot that exploded they continue to receive damage.

Of course, this doesn't really help if they're all camping on a roof you can't get a bomb up to.

(This would also call for a separate smokebomb weapon, hehehe)
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Fartface on August 30, 2011, 02:51:13 pm
If a guy is using kite shield, has about 3-5 shield skill and is noobish enough, I being noob archer, will kill him. Most people raise shield to protect their face and that's when I strike at their sneakers.. uhm I mean shoes.

Also 2H guys don't want to use shields because they slow you down significantly.
but like if you wanna be fast dont whine about getting shot, there is a solution to it but like with eveyr solution comes an downfall to it the pro is no more archer shot, con is ur slower.
make ur fuckin choice and stop whining.
Title: Re: This is why...
Post by: Kelugarn on August 30, 2011, 08:40:46 pm
Lazy, skimmed the thread.

Obviously this means that firebombs should be buffed. I.E. they explode and maybe do a little damage, and if people just camp the spot that exploded they continue to receive damage.

Of course, this doesn't really help if they're all camping on a roof you can't get a bomb up to.

(This would also call for a separate smokebomb weapon, hehehe)

Finally, a kindred soul who wants to bring firebombs back to their former glory!!