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cRPG => Scene Editing => Topic started by: Kong Ming on January 22, 2011, 01:25:29 am

Title: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on January 22, 2011, 01:25:29 am

This guide is an attempt to simplify map-making for people who want to try it.  It is still being perfected so please add your input.  I'm trying to avoid using the module system in this guide since it seems to be a big stumbling block for people who are intimidated by the coding involved.  For the complete guide by Turanien which is excellent but involves the module system Click Here. (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,112508.0.html)  Hopefully this new system will avoid errors encountered by many due to the scripts.txt file being uneditable without the python files.  Good luck and let me know if you have problems or successes!  Note:  This method is for v1.143.  If we get a newer version, bug me and I'll update.

Setup:

Note: Though people frequently refer to  the battlefield we play in multiplayer as a "Map", in warband it is called "Scene".  This is to avoid confusion with the Single Player World Map, which can also be edited.  For this reason you will see lots of talk about "scenes" instead of "maps" when you actually edit.  Just to clear up any possible confusion.

1. Navigate to the Modules folder in your Warband game files.  (Mine is at C:\Program Files\Mount&Blade Warband\Modules).

2. Make a copy of the "Native" folder here, and name it something you'll recognize (Mine's Kong_Mod).  This is your new "mod" in which you'll create your maps.

3. In the Warband start-up menu (where you choose which module your playing), select "Configure", go to the "Advanced" tab, and make sure "Enable Edit Mode" is checked.

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Adding the Scenes:

Download this file:

Kong Ming's Easy Multiplayer Scenes (http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2523)

Unzip it and move the enclosed files into your new module's folder, overwriting the old files.  There, I just saved you a huge pain in the @$$.

With these files in your mod, you will now have 20 new essentially blank maps to edit as you please.  Note that 1-15 are set up for Battle/Deathmatch/Duel, and 16-20 are reserved for Siege.  If you need more (good god), simply create another new mod by starting from the beginning of this guide and copy the files again for 20 more scenes.

The Terrain Code and Scenes.txt:

Warband has a nifty device that allows it to very quickly create a random terrain.  It's called the terrain code and it's basically a loooong hexadecimal number that lives in the scenes.txt file and looks something like this:

scn_my_multi_1 my_multi_1 256 none none 0.000000 0.000000 100.000000 100.000000 -100.000000 0x00000001300389800003a4ea000058340000637a0000399b
  0
  0
 outer_terrain_plain

This long number in bold contains all the info the game needs about the physical terrain, the hills and valleys, the climate, the size, plants, rivers, etc.  How do we make one for our map?  Fire up your mod and get a single-player game started.  Once you get to the world map you should see a new button in the lower left corner called "Terrain" (assuming you still have edit mode enabled).  Clicking "Terrain" will bring you to the Terrain Generator.  Play around with it.  You'll see how the game does what I described. 


IMPORTANT ADVICE REGARDING TERRAIN GENERATOR:

-Unless you just want to be quick and lazy, I recommend always having the "Foliage" slider at 0.  Foliage added to the map with the terrain code CANNOT be edited, delete, moved, scaled, nothing.  It's there forever, and usually not where you want it.  You can add all the plants you want manually later as "models" and can then do all sorts of things to them.

-I've heard advice to avoid using the Place River, Deep Water, or Shade Occluder options.  Use them at your own risk.


Once you've created a terrain that looks close to what you want to start with for your scene, simply click copy to save the Terrain Code to your clipboard.  Then in the scenes.txt file, do a search for "my_scene_1".  You should find the long list of scenes we've added, and each entry looks similar to the code excerpt shown above. Simply replace the terrain code on the scene entry of your choice by pasting in place of the old one found near the end of the line (the bold and underlined text in the excerpt above).  Viola, you have a new terrain.

Also, while we're here, notice the fourth line in the code above that says "outer_terrain_plain".  This determines the scenic ring that surrounds the map you're playing on.  By default I've set all the scenes to plains, which will look fairly crappy if you use a different terrain in the map.  You can simply replace this chunk of code with any of the following for different looks.

outer_terrain_plain
outer_terrain_snow
outer_terrain_steppe
outer_terrain_town_thir_1
outer_terrain_castle_9
outer_terrain_desert
outer_terrain_desert_b
outer_terrain_beach
outer_terrain_plain_2
outer_terrain_snow_2
outer_terrain_steppe_2
sea_outer_terrain_1
sea_outer_terrain_2

Now you have a starting terrain.  Time to make it exactly how you want it.

The Scene Editor:

Run your mod and set up a Multiplayer game (click host instead of join).  Here there are lots of options, but all we really care about is the map.  Choose one of the new maps from the list and run the game.  Note that if you want to do a Siege map you'll have to set the game mode to Siege in order for  maps 16-20 to show up on the list.  If it all goes well, you should now see your basic map as it more or less appeared in the terrain generator.  Now, press Alt-Enter to go into windowed mode.  Then, press Ctrl-E to enter "Edit Mode" (again, assuming edit mode is still enabled).  From this edit mode you can change just about everything.  Note, if you aren't in windowed mode you won't be able to see the tool panel in Edit mode so make sure you do both.  Elevation tool to change the hills, Texture tool to paint the ground, Object Tool to add tree, houses, rocks, walls,etc.  The often overlooked "Help" button is very (get this) helpful.  Lots of info about button combinations and so forth.  There's no undo option so get in the habit of exiting and re-entering edit mode with Ctrl-E.  This saves your work each time.

Strings.txt:

If you ever want to change the name of your map in the selection menu, simply open your strings.txt file and do a search for "my_scene_1".  Here are all the added scenes.  An entry looks like this:

str_my_scene_1 My_Scene_#1

Change the part in bold to whatever name you want using underscores ( _ ) for spaces.  Done and done.


I will continue to develop this guide as I have more time, and expand it to provide some helpful advice on the actual creation of your own scenes, but for now these should be the steps you need to at least get started.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 22, 2011, 01:35:25 am

Reserved for an eventual step-by-step guide on map editing.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: zagibu on January 22, 2011, 05:14:05 pm

I've tried to create this same tutorial, but couldn't find a way to define which gamemodes the map can be used in. Apparently, scripts.txt uses numerical identifiers for the maps, and if you don't have your map compiled with the module system, it doesn't have such an id.

I do hope you find a way, though, as a lot of people seem to have problems setting up the module system...

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 23, 2011, 03:54:51 am

I get an error when I try to load my mod.

RGL ERROR
Number of passages for site scn_my_new_multi exceeds 16.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 23, 2011, 07:03:11 pm

Hmmm.  That's a new one.  I'll check it out.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 23, 2011, 08:46:09 pm

Ya not sure what happened. All I did was copy native folders and renamed it to my mod. Then copied the lines you mentioned into scenes and scripts. Tried to play my mod and -error.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Whalen207 on January 23, 2011, 08:56:40 pm

http://notepad-plus-plus.org/  <--- Makes it infinitely easier, reformats the notes in an easier way.

And, as for that 'problem', the .sco file is the raw data of that map's object placement. You might have to clear your map over again and start from the basics.

Kong, I also recommend posting screenshots. They tell more than lines of text.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 23, 2011, 11:50:34 pm

Updated the tutorial to make it both work, AND 10X EASIER!  Let me know how it goes!

Note: @ KungFuJesus- There was a typo in the line I had you copy  :rolleyes:.  Just try it with my new method and you should be fine.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 24, 2011, 02:59:51 am

Everything seems to work correctly. Thanks.

There are a few issues though. Your link is screwed up. Looks like you added an extra http.
When I first click Host to pick my map, there are a lot of wierd things on the left side of the screen that make no sense.

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I don't know if thats how stuff should look but its misplaced and took me a minute to figure out which option I needed to pick my map. Once I got into the map, everything seemed fine, if not completely cumbersome. The editor is not exactly the most user-friendly system. I'll have to play around a while to figure out how to make things look pretty and place things in the right spot and not half into the ground.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 24, 2011, 04:17:47 am

Dear Kung Fu Jesus,
Thank you for always being my guinea pig.  I have fixed the download link, and added more files to the download that seem to fix the problems you encountered.  Apparently the module system edits more than just the three files I originally included to add the maps.  Rather than narrow down which file I was missing (too drunk and lazy), I simply added all of them, which is still less than 2MB.  In the future I may be more precise.  But the important thing is, try one more time and it should all work fine.  Hope hope hope...

Edit:  My next goal is to produce a step by step guide to the editor itself with screenshots which I'll probably do in the next day or two, so play around but fear not, I'll go further.  (farther?)

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 24, 2011, 06:40:49 am

Everything seems to be working right now. I've been playing around within the editor. Now I just need to decide on something.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 24, 2011, 07:35:03 am

Cool glad to hear it's working.  Tomorrow I'll probably start putting up a guide to help with actual editing.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: zagibu on January 24, 2011, 04:17:11 pm

Very good idea with the 20 blank maps! This should help a lot of ppl to get into map making, good work.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 25, 2011, 11:39:07 am

So how do I create spawn points?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 25, 2011, 06:18:31 pm

In object mode, switch from placing scene props to placing entry points.  Place two entry points, one for each team, and point them in the general direction you want players to face when they spawn.  Then select each point and on the left there are two fields, variable 1 and variable 2.  For the first entry point make variable 1 "0" and for the second entry point make variable 1 "32".  This makes them entry points 0 and 32 which are the two entry points the game uses to spawn the teams in Battle.  For deathmatch you need to place entry points 0-63 all over the map.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 25, 2011, 10:55:48 pm

So I made my map. Now I need to know how to use it or compile it or whatever is needed to get it done and workable for crpg.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kafein on January 25, 2011, 11:48:30 pm

Quote from: Kong Ming on January 25, 2011, 06:18:31 pm

In object mode, switch from placing scene props to placing entry points.  Place two entry points, one for each team, and point them in the general direction you want players to face when they spawn.  Then select each point and on the left there are two fields, variable 1 and variable 2.  For the first entry point make variable 1 "0" and for the second entry point make variable 1 "32".  This makes them entry points 0 and 32 which are the two entry points the game uses to spawn the teams in Battle.  For deathmatch you need to place entry points 0-63 all over the map.

For further detail, visit http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,89831.0.html , it includes very good info about entry points and siege towers, portcullis...

When placing entry points for Battle mode, allways test your map with 200+ bots if you can to test the spawns. Only placing two of them forces the game to make players spawn in lines of 20 (or something like that). When a line is complete, the game make other people spawn in a line roughly one step backwards and so on when the current line is finished, so you must make sure there's enough space behind your spawn entry points (this is a common problem with custom maps).

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 25, 2011, 11:50:54 pm

Getting it ready for cRPG really only requires two more steps.  First, I highly recommend you use barrier props to totally enclose the playing area.  cRPG players have a nasty habit of using siege ladders to escape the normal boundaries of the map and piss everyone off :-).  Airith, who manages maps for the NA servers will insist on this step.  Once you have that in place, you simply need to upload your map so others can play it.  I'd post a download link and some screenshots of your map in the map development thread to get feedback.  The download should include the .sco file for your map which you'll find in the "SceneObj" folder in your mod's folder, as well as a text file that has the code excerpt from your scenes.txt file for your map.  The most important thing from that code snippet is the Terrain Code.  If you use the wrong terrain code with the .sco file, the terrain will be all screwed up.  You can upload things to the mount&blade repository once you register with them and get approved, usually takes about an hour for approval and then you can upload all you want from then on.

http://www.mbrepository.com/index.php

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 26, 2011, 01:38:56 am

Don't the natural boundaries of the map itself work? My map is small enough and there aren't any high walls to make an "outside" or "inside" part of the map. Basically if you go outside the map, you are in the sky box at that point or the generic terrain area.

Also do I need to place 3 master of the field flags per that linked tutorial or just 2?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kafein on January 26, 2011, 08:50:00 am

Quote from: Kung Fu Jesus on January 26, 2011, 01:38:56 am

Don't the natural boundaries of the map itself work? My map is small enough and there aren't any high walls to make an "outside" or "inside" part of the map. Basically if you go outside the map, you are in the sky box at that point or the generic terrain area.

Also do I need to place 3 master of the field flags per that linked tutorial or just 2?

The default terrain borders will work for a flat map. But for a map like Arena, without added barriers people can use ladders to go on the walls.

About MotF, I think the 3 entry points are the 3 possible locations of the flags. The game chooses randomly between the possible locations you have set up. But the two faction flags allways spawn next to each other (like one prop).

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 28, 2011, 11:05:08 pm

How do I change the name of the sco file to be the name of the map? The map list shows the right name but the sco file still says my_scene_1.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 29, 2011, 09:07:05 am

It's functional name is defined in the scenes.txt file, whereas the name is displays in game is defined in strings.txt.  Change the two instances of it in scenes.txt to your new name (keeping the scn_ prefix on the first), and then also change the instance in the strings.txt file (again with scn_) as well as the name of the .sco file to match.  That should do it I think.  Let me know if I need to be more specific.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: panderson on January 31, 2011, 04:55:15 am

Hey, can you add to the thread above that you need to be in windowed mode.  Lucius told me you needed to be in windowed mode.

It solved my issue of not being able to see anything.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on January 31, 2011, 06:27:23 am

Quote from: Kong Ming on January 22, 2011, 01:25:29 am

Now, press Alt-Enter to go into windowed mode.  Then, press Ctrl-E to enter "Edit Mode" (again, assuming edit mode is still enabled). 

It's in there at the moment.  Does it need to be more clearly stated?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: panderson on January 31, 2011, 07:19:07 am

 Maybe...or maybe I'm just an idiot.  Either is equally possible. 

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Nasturtium on February 01, 2011, 12:47:02 am

Can this thread get a sticky please?  :lol:

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Castor on February 08, 2011, 08:39:04 am

expect to see some noobish looking maps from me soon  :P

Title: Re: Kong Ming's MUCH IMPROVED Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps.
Post by: Kong Ming on February 08, 2011, 08:56:23 am

What have I done?   :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Modules Required)
Post by: Nasturtium on February 09, 2011, 08:51:43 pm

I wanted to make a gripe list about the editor in hopes that someone has found a work around for one of these. Here goes:

Strange annoying bugs in the editor, can anyone explain these?

1. Sometimes after many hours of editing a map will start to crash after a few minutes of editing :mad: :mad: :mad:. I had luck fixing this once by copying the files into a new mod folder, but that did not work with my latest file.

2. While editing my cave map, I placed a few dungeon passage props, upon reload a third of the map had sunk to 1 meter and was painted straight black, if I tried to raise and recolor it, the terrain would revert back to low and black upon reload.

3. Inverted props (espcially valley_rock_flat) will sometimes disappear entirely
 upon save.

4. Sometimes clicking outside of the minimized editor window will cause the screen to go black and the whole program to seize up for minutes at a time.

5. Random teleporting of players to the top of maps. (I am still unsure at the cause of this)

6. Players popping'  up from under a bridge model instead of hitting their heads on the underside, even when downwards facing blocking is provided.

7. Staircase models (especially the dungeon_tower) causing players to move jerkily up and down them, forcing manual ramp blocking.

8. Patches of ground texture becoming see-through

Wishlist

1. Undo button :!:

2. copy/paste

3.In-editor tweaking of outer_terrain

4.In-editor weather editing or at least preview, and global lighting slider

5.Ability to save modified (I.E stretched or skewed) models in a 'palette'

6.Ability to lighten/darken models

7. instant death barriers, fire damage barriers, and drowning barriers

8. Faster camera panning or camera position hotkeys.

9. Rescaling of multiple items at once.

10.in-editor importing of custom textures and models.

11. More models! Especially Timbers of various lengths and sizes, and well textured squarish stones.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Modules Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on February 10, 2011, 09:47:45 am

1.  Had this issue as well, crashes focused around attempts to place new objects.  Your trick of putting the map into a new module works for now.

2.  I've had a similar problem anytime I've tried to increase the map size with a different terrain code after there's already been an .sco created.

3.  Haven't noticed this one yet, I tend to find inverted props look ugly because of texture seams and so forth hidden on the bottom.

4.  I can actually help you with this one maybe, a similar problem was crashing the editor for me sometimes.  I found lowering in-game resolution to slightly less than your system's resolution before going into windowed mode largely eliminates the problem.

5.  That's just your crazy caverns.   :)

6.  I've always had success using barriers on the underside for this, maybe you just have to barrier them out of the area in general.

7.  dungeon_tower is worthless.  it took me a while to accept this.  most others can be scaled to avoid this.

8.  Haven't figured this one out yet.  Seems to happen much more around extreme elevation changes for me.


As for your wish-list, I have one hint.  Since I tend to add entry points near the end of my process (other than 0 and 32), until then, I just place an entry point anywhere I want to be able to bring the camera back to.  Then just double-click it in the object list once or twice and the camera flies to that position.  Later delete and replace entry points where you actually need them.  Not perfect but it works.

Also, Airith says new models are on the way  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Modules Required)
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on February 10, 2011, 06:53:03 pm

All of your wishes are also my wishes. I just want the editor to act more like the old editors I used for Quake and Halflife.

As for your problems, the only one I have encountered is the crashing. I also gave up trying to make indoor-only maps because they seems to really screw up the terrain and how players move around. For example, your cavern map.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Infamy on February 11, 2011, 03:19:05 am

thanks for the guide :)

btw is there a way to simulate nighttime?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on February 11, 2011, 05:29:02 pm

Unfortunately, time of day and weather conditions are controlled by the server and not the map.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Blondin on February 16, 2011, 01:08:10 pm

Very good work Kong Ming, this tool is very usefull and your tutorial is clear. You give the key to avoid the worst parts : edit, coding, module system...
Thx to you to sharing this with the community, almost everybody can have fun in creating his own map, it's'pretty easy, needs only time to familiarize with all the stuff and long list of object.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on February 16, 2011, 05:05:12 pm

I'm glad it's helpful!  Someday when I'm less lazy, I'll also be adding a short guide to the editor itself with some tips and tricks for map design.  Good luck!

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: zagibu on February 17, 2011, 10:24:49 pm

What we need is a nicely ordered list with all the props grouped by theme (food, furniture, walls, buildings, etc.). I'm using a proptest map, where I placed most of the bigger props, so I can easily find one, if needed, but it takes too much time to always load this special map, then reload the map you were working on...

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Mustikki on February 18, 2011, 03:10:07 pm

Thanks! This is a great guide. :D

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Ronan on February 21, 2011, 11:50:36 pm

Question: How do you make "breakable" doors and Doors that "Open/Close"? Im making a siege map with a castle and a sprawling town that surrounds it. I need doors that break/open/close. thank you and also siege ladders that go up to the wall would be helpful. Yet another question: I have a problem with the flag.. It duplicates its self and only works for nords defending. Any answer would be much appreciated. :P 

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on February 22, 2011, 12:04:00 am

This thread is helpful as far as ladders,

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,89831.0.html

If your siege flag is problematic make sure you are NOT using any of the physical props.  Only entry point 66.  Having the props anywhere in the map make it do crazy things.  Haven't bothered with doors yet, guess I should do that at some point.  I'd search the modding section of the Taleworlds forums, I'm certain there's an answer there.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Professor on February 24, 2011, 06:35:03 am

I'm having problems with invisible walls when trying to build a castle. :-(

Any tips?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on February 24, 2011, 11:48:55 am

I'm afraid I don't understand exactly what you mean.  Can you elaborate on your problem?  Are you running into invisible walls that shouldn't be there, or are you trying to place some, or something else?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: zagibu on February 25, 2011, 12:40:46 am

Maybe you mean only in edit mode? Just leave edit mode and rehost the map, then they will be gone. It can happen when you remove props, that somehow the editor still thinks they are there.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: RipperX on March 21, 2011, 10:28:18 am

Kong Ming,

My goodness man, your guide is basically flawless.  I didn't expect it to be so easy, although I have 1 problem...My map I spent 7 hours on didn't save.  I changed the name of it in scenes and scripts before starting to an awesome custom name, used the "ctrl-e" feature to go in and out of edit mode saving multiple times.  I definitely got the hang of it and thanks to you making Warband maps from now on will be easy, BUT I need to figure out how to save my maps, especially if I'm going to spend all day on one. 

So, please help me on this map not saving issue, other then that, thanks a ton for this guide!

Best,
Ripper X

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: ToxicKilla on March 23, 2011, 08:32:30 pm

I can't get ladders working in a siege map I'm building. When I raise them, they go up, but I just walk straight through them, also some errors appear on map start and when the ladder is fully raised. Please help!

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Darkwulf on April 10, 2011, 08:14:58 am

How do you put your map on native so friends and such can test it while you make changes?

Title: Map Upload
Post by: Muunilinst on April 12, 2011, 05:29:33 pm

Hey first of all i would like to thank you for this awesome guide, it helped me very much.

My question is i have created a Siege map and finished it.  I have a cRPG server were i coould run it, but i dont know how i upload it/ which files shall i copy and where shall i copy then ( in which file) i have the my_scn_16.sco and the scenes.txt uploaded on teamspeak 3 so my friend could upload them but we dont know how.

Sorry for my bad english.  :)

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Baron_Settmour on April 20, 2011, 02:47:24 pm

Thanks for the awesome guide! I might try this now.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: TheSpike on April 21, 2011, 06:57:18 am

This thread really helped me out. Made my own map today, but I don't really know how to make it functional for multiplayer.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on May 07, 2011, 11:24:52 am

Okay, been away from the forums for quite a while.  I'll try to address some questions in case people are still checking in.

RipperX:

Are you running Vista?  I know some other people have had troubles with saving maps on Vista.  If so, try running Warband as an admin when you edit and see if that helps.  Otherwise, I'm not sure how to help you, but check the Taleworlds forum.

ToxicKilla:
I've noticed that ladders won't function properly until you exit edit mode, exit the map, and reload it from the multiplayer host menu.  Have you tried this?  This is generally a good thing to try anytime something you've just added isn't working but should be.

Darkwulf:
If you want friends to try your map, they basically need a copy of your "mod."  Archive your mod folder and send it to them.  When they run the mod they should be able to try the map in multiplayer by hosting a game for themselves.

Vagabond:
I think you can just rename your mod "Native" and swap it in for the Native folder already on the server.  Back-up the old Native folder first to be safe.  Then people running native should in theory be able to join your server and play the custom map.  I'm not positive on this one though since I haven't managed a server in a while.  Find Airith on these forums, he can help you better than I.

Spike:
If you want it on the cRPG server's, post it in the completed maps thread and they can tell you what to do next.  If you want to host it yourself in Native then you should basically follow my advice to Vagabond.


I'm glad the guide is proving helpful to people.  Hang in there and feel free to ask more questions (especially if my answers were too short, it's late).

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Nasturtium on May 07, 2011, 06:44:12 pm

Kong-who? I swear I know you from somewhere, I just cant quite put my finger on it..... :)

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on May 14, 2011, 11:08:51 pm

 :P

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Seabhac on July 14, 2011, 08:24:25 am

Hey Kong thanks for the guide, could you pretty please up date this for 1.142?

edit* took the time to figure out the module_sys and setting up QSC in 1.142 on steam, but it would be great of course if you udated anyways. This is very handy for someone really fresh to it looking to get a taste, I had 1.134 as a separate install and was able to use your files to do so.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Kong Ming on July 26, 2011, 09:26:56 pm

UPDATED FOR 1.143!

Download here:

http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2523

Sorry that took so long, bad at checking forums regularly.  :?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Nasturtium on July 26, 2011, 09:42:22 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyibtJE3fa8&feature=related

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Fuer_Grissa_Ost_Drauka on September 11, 2011, 10:00:25 pm

For some reason, i can't get this link to load " http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2523 " (not sure if it's just the mbrepository or my fault) but everytime I click that link I get a network timeout..  I've tried to load it for about 4-5 hours now and nothing has changed.. maybe the site is down? idk, but i would like to try scene editing, and i can't figure out how to use most of what the other tutorial says (alot of images don't show(and an image is apparently worth 1000 words, lol)) so i was wondering if you could check the link for me, or post a new link from another site (if you can) otherwise I guess I will just keep trying the current one.. lol..

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Jacko on September 11, 2011, 10:41:50 pm

Repository have been down all day. Really, you'll find a lot of useful info in: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,98.0.html
Read through the forum, you'll find most answers here, or if your really shit out of look go look in the official forums.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Fuer_Grissa_Ost_Drauka on September 12, 2011, 08:41:38 pm

Now that i think of it, do i even need these files? i mean, can't i just use the native scene files and still get the same basic outcome? All i want to do is try to use this scene editor, since the last one I tried has blank spots in the tutorial. Couldn't I just use a copy of the native module to edit scenes, even though it has some different scenes, I should still be able to save them and submit them to the servers.. Right?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Jacko on September 12, 2011, 09:11:29 pm

Of course, I would even suggest copying cRPG instead, because of the built in scene chooser and new building textures. What You need to submit a map is simply the proper .sco file (which you can rename, as long as it's the same as the name in scenes.txt) and the terrain info in scenes.txt.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Glyph on January 13, 2012, 10:06:18 pm

i'm making a map(for the first time), but i don't really have an idea how much KB my map will turn out to have. could anyone tell me where you could see that?

thx

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Teeth on January 13, 2012, 10:47:23 pm

Go to the SceneObj map in the copied version of Native you use for mapmaking and search for your scene. If you made it using this guide its probably my_scene 1 or something. The size of the sco file is your map size which shouldn't exceed 600kb.

In my experience 600 kb is quite a lot and you have to go nuts to reach it.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Glyph on January 14, 2012, 09:23:35 am

Quote from: SgtTeeh on January 13, 2012, 10:47:23 pm

Go to the SceneObj map in the copied version of Native you use for mapmaking and search for your scene. If you made it using this guide its probably my_scene 1 or something. The size of the sco file is your map size which shouldn't exceed 600kb.

In my experience 600 kb is quite a lot and you have to go nuts to reach it.

but if you're making a forrest it's going faster then you think!

but thx

it's called scn_my_scene_1.sco btw

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: zagibu on January 14, 2012, 03:00:31 pm

You have to be careful with too many trees, there are still some people using DX7 on ancient machines, and they can't display much more than 300 trees or have serious FPS problems.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Glyph on January 14, 2012, 03:46:18 pm

Quote from: zagibu on January 14, 2012, 03:00:31 pm

You have to be careful with too many trees, there are still some people using DX7 on ancient machines, and they can't display much more than 300 trees or have serious FPS problems.

that sucks, because trees have relative low Kb..., then i'll leave some forest peices of the map out i guess...

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: zagibu on January 14, 2012, 06:41:17 pm

Well, you can always delete some trees if people complain. Just wanted to warn you, not that you waste your time creating a forest with over 9000 trees or something.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Glyph on January 14, 2012, 09:59:57 pm

Quote from: zagibu on January 14, 2012, 06:41:17 pm

Well, you can always delete some trees if people complain. Just wanted to warn you, not that you waste your time creating a forest with over 9000 trees or something.

i still think i've got more than 30, but we'll see.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: zagibu on January 16, 2012, 11:53:37 pm

Not thirty, three hundred. Check the native map battle on ice, it has quite a lot of trees, and is well playable on most machines. It's still far from a forest, but a bit better than thirty, right?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: chompers on February 06, 2012, 04:00:50 pm

Quote from: Kong Ming on May 07, 2011, 11:24:52 am

Are you running Vista?  I know some other people have had troubles with saving maps on Vista.  If so, try running Warband as an admin when you edit and see if that helps.  Otherwise, I'm not sure how to help you, but check the Taleworlds forum.

i had this exact problem and may have fixed it by turning off the UAC box.  yes, turn it all the way off...i believe what is happening is that windows is screening the permanent change to the file when you close M&B, (i believe this is the moment your changes become permanent, as i was reloading maps i had saved w/o closing M&B and getting them back , but when i closed M&B and started again, they were wiped clean) the UAC box instead of notifying you, (no matter what settings it is on concerning notifying you of changes) it just doesn't, stops it, and pats itself on the back.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: oohillac on February 27, 2012, 06:54:32 pm

Quote from: zagibu on January 14, 2012, 03:00:31 pm

You have to be careful with too many trees, there are still some people using DX7 on ancient machines, and they can't display much more than 300 trees or have serious FPS problems.

Also fire. Please, no more fire. There is this one silly map in the NA rotation that has buildings on fire in the distance, slows me right down.

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Dalfador on May 04, 2012, 01:10:02 am

When I click on multiplayer in the main menu it says:

"RGL ERROR

Number of passages for site scn_random_scene_plain exceeds 16."

... help?

Title: Re: Kong Ming's Short Guide to Making Your Own Maps. (No Module System Required)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 10, 2012, 06:02:01 pm

Quote from: Dalfador on May 04, 2012, 01:10:02 am

When I click on multiplayer in the main menu it says:

"RGL ERROR

Number of passages for site scn_random_scene_plain exceeds 16."

... help?

ok...
...Find scene terrain code you editted, realize how you fucked up, and correct it...