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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Keshian on August 17, 2011, 07:48:08 pm

Title: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 17, 2011, 07:48:08 pm
What happened to the war between Risen, Legio Italica, Union, and Bashabazouk v. Shogunate, Pillagers, and Caravan Guards???  (the only EU v EU war to date) I remember there was like 3-4 abttles 2 weeks ago or more and then nothing since, not even skirmishes?   Was it a fake war or is that how they do it across the ocean (fight a little and give up and instead just sit around grinding to take a city)?
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 17, 2011, 08:16:14 pm
The spawn bug pretty much ground that to a stalemate. It's still ongoing though.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 17, 2011, 08:17:02 pm
Strat bugs, account hacking and general lazyness.

We attacked them and it failed. They dont seem to want to fight back towards our way either which makes it a stalemate atm.

Plus reconstruction of shogonute into byz probably slowed them down abit.

No trolling intended just general over view? Comments please.

Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 17, 2011, 08:21:33 pm
Also

The derpness of the american war is far more interesting, we are watching that unfold and waiting to see its next move.

It will probably get to the main point and strat will be wiped....

Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 17, 2011, 08:49:16 pm
Also

The derpness of the american war is far more interesting, we are watching that unfold and waiting to see its next move.

It will probably get to the main point and strat will be wiped....

Thats why I asked, the NA war is practically over and we are still waiting for an actual EU war to take place.  The spawn points were still available in the battles we fight on NA side, but it didnt stop us from fighting and if people are hacking chadz can ban them.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Matey on August 17, 2011, 08:50:49 pm
I wouldnt say our war has been all that interesting, only Hospitallers have been fighting since the 2 rebache fights.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 17, 2011, 08:54:34 pm
When Risen attacked buvran the shogo village, crojo's account got hacked and every single person was removed from the roster causing us to lose instantly.

We held onto our troops but 300k worth of gear was lost, when that happens your enthusiasm for trying again kind of leaves you.

I doubt your going to see much anytime soon from our point of view. We are waiting for movement on the opposite side.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Lordark on August 17, 2011, 08:58:44 pm
Geeeez.. That is phukin crazy  :shock:
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 17, 2011, 09:03:57 pm
Yeah lots of hacking going on down here in the south. Kinda sucks.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 17, 2011, 09:06:02 pm
What is chadz and company doing about it???
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 17, 2011, 09:11:56 pm
What is chadz and company doing about it???

He said he fixed it. That was a month ago and the hackings have kept on coming.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: vinnytk on August 17, 2011, 09:25:24 pm
Yeah lots of hacking going on down here in the south. Kinda sucks.

Yea, seems to benefit only one clan too.  Kinda makes having a war impossible
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 17, 2011, 09:56:27 pm
What is chadz and company doing about it???

Im sure theres lots of other things on there to do list. But im sure the objective was to fuck us up and it did we havnt attacked since and wont be either.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Thovex on August 17, 2011, 11:55:59 pm
What is chadz and company doing about it???

Basically we declared war after the first attacks and they had a shit load of nothing, first legio got fucked over and the spawn was way bigger in buvran so we thought we could take it, but this time it was not really a spawn glitch but more a hack, I asked cmpx several times if they gonna do anything, answer is : I told it to chadz, he's working on it.

I also asked if we could get our stuff back, but he never responds to it.

The hacker got in trough GTX's account and fucked over the entire roster 10 minutes after the battle started (Union fight was still rolling)

So what are you gonna do about a faction that has a 700k gold bonus within a day and continuing to grow, and a ton of villages that have atk spawn-def spawn like 15 seconds away from eachother?
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 12:19:57 am
Basically we declared war after the first attacks and they had a shit load of nothing, first legio got fucked over and the spawn was way bigger in buvran so we thought we could take it, but this time it was not really a spawn glitch but more a hack, I asked cmpx several times if they gonna do anything, answer is : I told it to chadz, he's working on it.

I also asked if we could get our stuff back, but he never responds to it.

The hacker got in trough GTX's account and fucked over the entire roster 10 minutes after the battle started (Union fight was still rolling)

So what are you gonna do about a faction that has a 700k gold bonus within a day and continuing to grow, and a ton of villages that have atk spawn-def spawn like 15 seconds away from eachother?

And so everyone heres the smallest violin playing just for me and thovex! lol

I WANT VVAR!
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Jarlek on August 18, 2011, 12:23:05 am
I want war, but the hacking kinda made all of us go "fuck this". Didn't help that the hacker wasn't caught, we never got anything back and we never got any information about what they are/have done about it.

The annoying spawns (very, VERY close last time I checked) are also a thing that makes us not really want to attack either.

Also it was GTX's account not Crojo. VVar is just too busy with his sheep to check the names xD
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: WSC_Falcon on August 18, 2011, 12:36:50 am
Thovex you real funny, you have half continent behind your back and still wait our atack :D
We returned our lands this will be enough for this situation i guess.
VVarlord thanks for trying be impartial :)

Guys and stop please this bullshit about hacks and spawns. Remember presumption of innocence and only few villages have close spawns.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Jarlek on August 18, 2011, 12:41:51 am
Thovex you real funny, you have half continent behind your back and still wait our atack :D
We returned our lands this will be enough for this situation i guess.
VVarlord thanks for trying be impartial :)

Guys and stop please this bullshit about hacks and spawns. Remember presumption of innocence and only few villages have close spawns.
Wut? We were hacked. That's a fact, confirmed by the devs and all, so why are you saying it's bullshit?

And how can you return to your lands when a) you had none and b) strat was wiped?

We know that not all villages have close attacker-defender spawns, but some of the villages we would be attacking does. That's one of the reasons, not the main one, for why we don't. Then again, why aren't you guys attacking?
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Thovex on August 18, 2011, 12:42:23 am
We have half the continent? Holy crap I wish.

and please do some research Mr. Falcon that there indeed have been hackings?

Who is is this WSC falcon, a pillager, a shogunate or a random derp who has no idea what is going on, my bet is on #3.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 12:45:16 am
Well theres been lots of distractions on both sides since so we'll have to see what happens.

A strat wipe cant be to far away? Then its back to square one and we see how everything goes again.

Lets keep it civil unlike the other diplomacy threads guys.



For once.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Jarlek on August 18, 2011, 12:47:20 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoZ1bsILF8
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: WSC_Falcon on August 18, 2011, 01:06:00 am
I think only 1 village by this war was retaken by his owner..yeap this difficult logical sequence. I dont love and i dont wanna participate in this talk and my food complitely done 8-)
last more thing so many times in life i saw when people doing obvious bullshit dont wanna take thing that they make mistake so gl on the path to the THRUTH :!:
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 01:07:29 am
I think only 1 village by this war was retaken by his owner..yeap this difficult logical sequence. I dont love and i dont wanna participate in this talk and my food complitely done 8-)
last more thing so many times in life i saw when people doing obvious bullshit dont wanna take thing that they make mistake so gl on the path to the THRUTH :!:

dear lord falcon... i dont even...
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 18, 2011, 01:09:00 am
I think you should all resolve your differences with a new war.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 01:11:40 am
I think you should all resolve your differences with a new war.

HAZZAH HAZZAH!!!
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 01:33:40 am
I think you should all resolve your differences with a new war.

Only way to ever reach an agreement.  Stick the other side's head in a toilet.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 01:36:11 am
Only way to ever reach an agreement.  Stick the other side's head in a toilet.

Your hair smells like piss and diarrhea.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SquishMitten on August 18, 2011, 01:39:00 am
I think only 1 village by this war was retaken by his owner..yeap this difficult logical sequence. I dont love and i dont wanna participate in this talk and my food complitely done 8-)
last more thing so many times in life i saw when people doing obvious bullshit dont wanna take thing that they make mistake so gl on the path to the THRUTH :!:
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Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Classical on August 18, 2011, 02:25:22 am
Only way to ever reach an agreement.  Stick the other side's head in a toilet.

I think the clans taking all the Northern Empire clans should wage war for dominance in the North, oh I'm sorry, am I butting my ever so public nose in a dispute where it clearly doesn't belong? /sarcasm

How stupid of me.

Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 18, 2011, 02:27:06 am
I think the clans taking all the Northern Empire clans should wage war for dominance in the North, oh I'm sorry, am I butting my ever so public nose in a dispute where it clearly doesn't belong?

How stupid of me.

Viva la Total Transparency!

Everyone's nose belongs everywhere.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: HarunYahya on August 18, 2011, 05:02:45 am
Well according to ridiculous spawn bugs, aggresor side has a huge handicap.
So it's like a cold war on south, both sides assembling huge armies to wave each other from borders  :twisted:.No one intends to attack as far as i know.Enjoying summer > Having buggy battles of disappointment.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 05:23:57 am
Well according to ridiculous spawn bugs, aggresor side has a huge handicap.
So it's like a cold war on south, both sides assembling huge armies to wave each other from borders  :twisted:.No one intends to attack as far as i know.Enjoying summer > Having buggy battles of disappointment.

Now if people are actually hacking your accounts and rosters - thats another story, I wouldnt fight either, but it sounds like thats been fixed.  Either way the new spawn system could stay this way forever so lets get some more fun battles to fight on the battle list.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Kapikulu_Ersah_Han on August 18, 2011, 05:30:56 am
We have had the same spawns in the North, just push out from your spawn using heavy cav and heavy infantry in your first wave - problem solved.  We havent had any issues up here, we did take a spawn halfway through one abttle, but thats not a bug.  We were fighting the mercs around the same time as your battles and it was a lot of village fights and the spawn thing is really not a big issue and not a reason to call off a war.

Now if people are actually hacking your accounts and rosters - thats another story, I wouldnt fight either, but it sounds like thats been fixed.  But dealying because of how the new sapwn works is silly, we just countered by using cav and infantry pushing hard out from spawn in the first minute instead of grouping up around the spawn and making it an easy capture asa ttackers with 1 spawn.

And Classical - very very subtle, i think I might have almost missed it with how deeply subtle that was.  Either way the new spawn system could stay this way forever so lets get some more fun battles to fight on the battle list.  I dont really care who fights as long as not everyone just sits around and does nothing for the next  month, like many have done for the last month.
Legio battle was only 2 minutes : 1 minute for attackers to spawn after defenders  and then it was only 1 minute that they got our spawn.61 men were in legio team and only 20 of them spawned so dont take as an offense but its making me sick that u are talking like genius as a tactician which seems u dont know anything about it =)
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 01:11:01 pm
Kesh what they are trying to say is the legio attacked at the same time as the risen.

The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.

Making it a massacre at the enemy spawn.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Chasey on August 18, 2011, 01:33:56 pm
i seen people putting consturction sites over the spawn flags at the start,which seemed to stop most attempts at capping spawns in the first 5 minutes, could try that.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 18, 2011, 02:24:22 pm
The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.


i seen people putting consturction sites over the spawn flags at the start,which seemed to stop most attempts at capping spawns in the first 5 minutes, could try that.

The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.

The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.

The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.

The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.

The defenders spawned first getting to the attackers spawn before the other team spawned.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Chasey on August 18, 2011, 02:39:39 pm
i played in about 6 battles where the spawn bug was abused and never did the enemy team get to the flag before atleast 1 attacker spawned even with cav rushes,there was atleast 15 guys spawned even with the closest of spawns, and all it takes is 1 guy to put down a construction site
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Blondin on August 18, 2011, 02:42:45 pm
You forgot something Kesh, for you Strategus is a new thing, you enjoy finding new game mechanics, like attacking from fief or trying to reinforce AI fief (all of this have been done in last strat) or you enjoy managing your memebers and troops, organizing attacks, etc.

But all of this is pretty old for majority of clan, ppl only take their claims, trying to find (or waiting for) new things, but now ppl realize that there is no new things (this is only old strat without larger armies).
Majority of clan already tested if their member and which member are reactive and used to strat

So once again, ppl are waiting for the wind of change.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 03:08:58 pm
Actually Blondin, I was around for old strat.  Still find it fun, just a little too crowded and yet seems like fewer battles and wars then before even though more crowded and huge mega-alliances of 30% of the player base seem to be happening much faster than before.

They have fixed it so defenders get teleported back to their spawn after first minute that fixed that issue with defenders atking spawn before all atatckers spawn.

The fact is chadz is probably not going to change it anytime soon, if at all, and it would suck that we have no more cool battles simply because most clans are worried about the spawn system.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 18, 2011, 03:11:43 pm
If the european clans are too cowardly to prompt war, should we not do them the favor then? Once the squabble over Northern Empire lands is through, let some NA clan with the balls for it invade the territory of any European clan and show them what real spawn rape is like!

All NA clans would then follow suit, and we'd have WWIII, and broken spawn points be damned! It's not like we need to spawn to win.

Also damn the ridiculous pings. I like 300ish ping, it makes for a unique playing experience.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 03:14:05 pm
Also damn the ridiculous pings. I like 300ish ping, it makes for a unique playing experience.

lol, you live in Fiji???  Many NA players on East Coast actually get about 100 ping, Midwest 150, and West Coast 200.

Either way people of course can do what they want, I just dont want to see 2 months of nothing simply because everyone keeps waiting for a change in the spawn system that is never going to happen.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Oberyn on August 18, 2011, 05:04:31 pm
Kesh, you failed in all your little wars to date, maybe you shouldn't speak as if you're some all knowing authority (then again, par for the course for you, you were making these stupid "I know better than everyone else" speeches pulled from your ass when you had just started playing). 30+ battles? Leading your 6 man clan in old Strat? You're a fucking Strat noob, stop fostering hatred and smack talk between NA and EU then have your butt buddies cry like little bitches about anti-American "racism".
Funny how seriously you take other people's wars, but when you've been obviously outplayed and fucked over "lolol, it's just a game man". Mind your own fail business.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 18, 2011, 05:23:40 pm
Diplomacy>war
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 05:25:08 pm
Kesh, you failed in all your little wars to date, maybe you shouldn't speak as if you're some all knowing authority (then again, par for the course for you, you were making these stupid "I know better than everyone else" speeches pulled from your ass when you had just started playing). 30+ battles? Leading your 6 man clan in old Strat? You're a fucking Strat noob, stop fostering hatred and smack talk between NA and EU then have your butt buddies cry like little bitches about anti-American "racism".
Funny how seriously you take other people's wars, but when you've been obviously outplayed and fucked over "lolol, it's just a game man". Mind your own fail business.

Lol, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed (you do realize I have been playing just as long and probably more often than you oberyn?).  And you are right we have actually had 44 battles to date in new strategus.

There were 2 days where the defenders were not teleported back to their spawn and there was some glitches where if you died without killing anyone you didnt respawn and I cant remember if many of those battles down south occurred at that time, but right now its been fixed where the defenders being teleported back prevents a spawn rape unless you group up on your spawn as you first start instead of immediately pushing out.  And its most obvious if you do a field battle instead of atatcking a fief.

Strategus' main benefit is to create a daily list of battles that are actually entertaining and tests of skill and tactics instead of the usual battle/siege servers.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 18, 2011, 05:37:50 pm
Another issue with the Shogunate war is that their land is in Rhodok territory so its pretty mountainous. This often means the attackers spawning in the shadow of a bunch of hills, so that even if you manage to keep them from taking your spawn, they still have the high ground all around you due to their headstart. Which means trying to fight uphill as they rain arrows on you from every direction.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 05:40:35 pm
Another issue with the Shogunate war is that their land is in Rhodok territory so its pretty mountainous. This often means the attackers spawning in the shadow of a bunch of hills, so that even if you manage to keep them from taking your spawn, they still have the high ground all around you due to their headstart. Which means trying to fight uphill as they rain arrows on you from every direction.

Yeh, that sounds kind of screwed up.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 18, 2011, 05:44:04 pm
So basically if you attack in our war:

You may be hacked.

But if you aren't your spawn will probably be captured.

And even if you avoid that you end up fighting up a mountain.

So fighting up the side of a mountain in the best case scenario.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Flawless on August 18, 2011, 06:05:02 pm
I like those odds........
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Keshian on August 18, 2011, 06:07:06 pm
I like those odds........

Warmongerer!!

P.S. I like those odds too.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Jarlek on August 18, 2011, 08:01:40 pm
Personally I want to wait till we find out who the hacker was, then track him down, cut off his balls, dip them in soya sauce, force feed it to his kids/parents/dog, laugh, pour salt in the wound... *continues on with a long and horrible*
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Elindor on August 19, 2011, 04:45:49 pm
I wouldnt say our war has been all that interesting, only Hospitallers have been fighting since the 2 rebache fights.

God willed it :)  Someone had to.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: HarunYahya on August 19, 2011, 05:54:44 pm
So basically if you attack in our war:

You may be hacked.

But if you aren't your spawn will probably be captured.

And even if you avoid that you end up fighting up a mountain.

So fighting up the side of a mountain in the best case scenario.

Sad but true  :rolleyes:
I hope chadz will solve this ridiculous spawn "feature" soon.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 20, 2011, 04:52:18 pm
Personally I want to wait till we find out who the hacker was, then track him down, cut off his balls, dip them in soya sauce, force feed it to his kids/parents/dog, laugh, pour salt in the wound... *continues on with a long and horrible*

that
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 23, 2011, 09:49:31 am
So basically if you attack in our war:

You may be hacked.

But if you aren't your spawn will probably be captured.

And even if you avoid that you end up fighting up a mountain.

So fighting up the side of a mountain in the best case scenario.

And I shall embrace it with smile
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 23, 2011, 12:21:37 pm
Nobody forces you to play strategus.

It was pretty clear since the beginning that this is a beta version and that we are tester, if you don't want to be a tester (meaning playing with bug and fail game mechanics) you don't have to play.

You are trolling devs team as if they were professional devs with a salary or just like if you pay something to play this free mod, speaking about your rights and giving lesson on how a community should be managed, and noone of you could be able to do 1/10 of what did this team... you're such a joke.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 23, 2011, 05:12:15 pm
Who are you talking to
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 23, 2011, 05:47:22 pm
Himself.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Damug on August 23, 2011, 06:05:19 pm
Nobody forces you to play strategus.
Nobody plays strategus, strategus plays you.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 23, 2011, 06:08:26 pm
Nobody plays strategus, strategus plays you.

well played.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: caki on August 24, 2011, 10:21:19 am
Nobody forces you to play strategus.

It was pretty clear since the beginning that this is a beta version and that we are tester, if you don't want to be a tester (meaning playing with bug and fail game mechanics) you don't have to play.

You are trolling devs team as if they were professional devs with a salary or just like if you pay something to play this free mod, speaking about your rights and giving lesson on how a community should be managed, and noone of you could be able to do 1/10 of what did this team... you're such a joke.
Respect!
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 24, 2011, 12:29:45 pm
Who are you talking to

To all this bunch of whiners, if you feel to be one then i talk to you.

You can add my post to this thread :
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14183.msg0/topicseen.html#new

such a joke...
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 24, 2011, 06:16:54 pm
I'm pretty sure you're just trolling but let me get this straight:

We're all just beta testers here. But under no circumstances should we make suggestions or report problems with the game?
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Jarlek on August 24, 2011, 06:27:52 pm
I'm pretty sure you're just trolling but let me get this straight:

We're all just beta testers here. But under no circumstances should we make suggestions or report problems with the game?
Dude, you don't get what he is saying. We are allowed to do those things, it is reporting hackings we aren't allowed to do. That's whining. Seriously, didn't you get what Vibe said?

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Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 24, 2011, 06:31:35 pm
I'm pretty sure you're just trolling but let me get this straight:

We're all just beta testers here. But under no circumstances should we make suggestions or report problems with the game?

I was trolling in some way but with a bit of weariness...

Sure, you're right but there is some manners to do it, and with a certain state of mind, which first is tolerance and humbleness, and i'm sorry but i don't like how some of us express (i don't speak of you or a clan in particular even if Korea was the cause of my weariness), i don't like how some are over-reactive each time a patch is released. There is a big difference between make suggestion/report problem and critisize/denigrate the work of another (who did it for free on his free time).

Edit : Zapper thx for your rewarding input, commensurate with what you are.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 24, 2011, 07:57:29 pm
I was trolling in some way but with a bit of weariness...

Sure, you're right but there is some manners to do it, and with a certain state of mind, which first is tolerance and humbleness, and i'm sorry but i don't like how some of us express (i don't speak of you or a clan in particular even if Korea was the cause of my weariness), i don't like how some are over-reactive each time a patch is released. There is a big difference between make suggestion/report problem and critisize/denigrate the work of another (who did it for free on his free time).

Edit : Zapper thx for your rewarding input, commensurate with what you are.

The problem I have with this position is that it completely dismisses the work and effort the players put in to beta testing the game and discovering problems. Yes chadz is creating the game for free, but we are also beta testing the game for free too. Ideally an attitude of mutual respect would be afforded to each, however that has not been the case. Us, the beta testers, are often treated with at best a dismissive, and often contemptuous, attitude by the developers and in response the testers are rude back.

Take the spawn flag issue for example. When the bug was first reported the response by the development team was to mock those who reported it and call them disorganized noobs. Of course once the problem was proven to be wide-spread the playerbase immediately began to shove it in the developers face as much as possible.

So basically an adversarial relationship has been formed between the development staff and a large portion of the players, which is unfortunate because both need each other.

That being said, the devs response to issues with the latest patch have been much more prompt and professional than before and I think if that kind of support continues we might see some repair in player/dev relations.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 24, 2011, 08:06:31 pm
Battles up : )
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Ujin on August 24, 2011, 08:58:45 pm
We realised the obvious fact that our enemies greatly outnumber us long time ago and we had numerous opportunities to move away and save our armies and resources. However, we've decided to stay, you won't get an inch of our lands without a fight. Let there be blood and let's have some fun.

Regards,


Basileos Ujin.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: PhantomZero on August 24, 2011, 09:17:40 pm
Why did you drop the samurai thing?
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Ujin on August 24, 2011, 09:32:50 pm
Why did you drop the samurai thing?
It got abit repetitive after a year of playing with the same theme. This one was approved by all clan members and so far it's going great, a breath of fresh air .
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on August 24, 2011, 09:44:51 pm
It got abit repetitive after a year of playing with the same theme. This one was approved by all clan members and so far it's going great, a breath of fresh air .

i will kill every single of eastern romans for oppressing the jews!!!! maximum role playing hurr durr :mad:
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Jarlek on August 24, 2011, 10:04:50 pm
i will kill every single of eastern romans for oppressing the jews!!!! maximum role playing hurr durr :mad:
They killed Jesus, Muhammad AND Ghandi! Let's get those Weeaboos in disguise!
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: SPQR on August 24, 2011, 10:06:51 pm
I guess it makes more sense since you are besieged on all sides by barbarians, Italians and Turks.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Ujin on August 24, 2011, 10:10:34 pm
I guess it makes more sense since you are besieged on all sides by barbarians, Italians and Turks.
Hahaha true =).
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 24, 2011, 10:19:47 pm
Hahaha true =).

: )
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Thovex on August 24, 2011, 10:22:46 pm
We realised the obvious fact that our enemies greatly outnumber us long time ago and we had numerous opportunities to move away and save our armies and resources. However, we've decided to stay, you won't get an inch of our lands without a fight. Let there be blood and let's have some fun.

Regards,


Basileos Ujin.

Ok, good fights will be fun, good luck.  :)
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Shogunate_Subotai_III on August 24, 2011, 11:51:12 pm
Yeah Good Luck to all!

Important that we get some really good fights.

Also i say this to my fellow Turkish Retards (Translation of the BashiBouzouks):

No Jihad from you Infidels without Abdest! a Real Muslim doesnt make War in holy Ramadan!

Er Meydaninda Görüsürüz Beyler! ;-)
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 25, 2011, 12:01:28 am
Till the last weeboo!
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Classical on August 25, 2011, 11:16:26 am
We realised the obvious fact that our enemies greatly outnumber us long time ago and we had numerous opportunities to move away and save our armies and resources. However, we've decided to stay, you won't get an inch of our lands without a fight. Let there be blood and let's have some fun.

Regards,


Basileos Ujin.

I respect this.

Although it doesn't make much of a difference considering you did try and form a coalition to take us out, and you still failed.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 25, 2011, 12:20:38 pm
The problem I have with this position is that it completely dismisses the work and effort the players put in to beta testing the game and discovering problems. Yes chadz is creating the game for free, but we are also beta testing the game for free too. Ideally an attitude of mutual respect would be afforded to each, however that has not been the case. Us, the beta testers, are often treated with at best a dismissive, and often contemptuous, attitude by the developers and in response the testers are rude back.

Take the spawn flag issue for example. When the bug was first reported the response by the development team was to mock those who reported it and call them disorganized noobs. Of course once the problem was proven to be wide-spread the playerbase immediately began to shove it in the developers face as much as possible.

So basically an adversarial relationship has been formed between the development staff and a large portion of the players, which is unfortunate because both need each other.

That being said, the devs response to issues with the latest patch have been much more prompt and professional than before and I think if that kind of support continues we might see some repair in player/dev relations.

First of all, thank you for your sincere answer, actually, you raise a good point, respect must be mutual, and it's true that devs team are the best troll of this community. I think it's an old tradition, when there was still little player, but this players was insiders (no need for devs to explain how the system and the mod work), now we have many many players and many many noobs, who understand a shit of this mod, but devs didn't understand that the community have changed and continue to troll...
Beside that, this new players are for some of them over-reactive when you touch to their precious uber-weapons or uber tactic to pwn noobs. Thus leading to many bullshit post each time a patch is released, and voice of reasonable ppl is stifled due to the noise.
Tbh, if i were a dev, i will rage quit or i would like to punish this stupid kids who spitt on my work.

Just a small nuance, when we test we are not working, we play for fun, you could say devs are coding for fun, which could be true but when we play, we play for ourself, when devs code it's for us and our fun (look at stronghold mod :D).


On topic : looking forward for this war in the south, the desert is dry and need blood...
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: okiN on August 25, 2011, 12:32:39 pm
when devs code it's for us and our fun (look at stronghold mod :D).

Actually, the devs code for themselves as well. It's always clear how people can lose sight of that fact when you have some asshat complaining about devs spending their modding time on something they're interested in, rather than focusing all their attention on the pet issues that particular player has been whining about. The devs listen to the community, take feedback, etc. because they want to improve the mod, but ultimately I think all of them are making cRPG because they want to play it.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 25, 2011, 12:37:11 pm
Yea sure you want to improve it and all, but SPQR's point still stands, well at least parts of it do.

I'm glad that I see more changelogs these days and all that, devs are really coming towards players so it's easier for players to do Q&A for them. Though the flag&timer thing was a fiasco, it is plugged now somehow and strategus works(Though whole flag thing is still stupid, imo) and that's all that matters.


e: It takes some character to filter out all that shit and focus on real issues, though.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Chasey on August 25, 2011, 11:59:54 pm
really  epic battle guys good job :D
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Shogunate_Subotai_III on August 26, 2011, 12:11:11 am
really  epic battle guys good job :D

agree with that!

awesome battle, both sides 0-0 tickets in the end.

from my archer view big respect to your xbow men....they were really annoying and i think we can say that xbow men are the new counter on archers in strategus.

Ps: who will give you such fight if we got wiped out of the map.....really think about it :-P
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: VVarlord on August 26, 2011, 12:22:01 am
Fucking amazing battle...

Really thank you Byz for an awesome battle you put up one help of a fight!
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: HarunYahya on August 26, 2011, 04:54:27 am
Yeah Good Luck to all!

Important that we get some really good fights.

Also i say this to my fellow Turkish Retards (Translation of the BashiBouzouks):

No Jihad from you Infidels without Abdest! a Real Muslim doesnt make War in holy Ramadan!

Er Meydaninda Görüsürüz Beyler! ;-)
Real muslim takes all opportunities to kill infidels .
Afterall im sure you had fun also.
These battles were really good .
Mashallah Allah will prevail again.
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: mustg on August 26, 2011, 10:27:10 am
risen & byzantium battle was fucking epic i ve really felt the adrenaline at 0 ticket when i was sneaking back.... it was awesome thanks guys
Title: Re: Whatever happened to Risen, Bashabazouk, Union, and Legio Italica v. Shogunate,
Post by: Thovex on August 26, 2011, 08:03:24 pm
that battle was soooooo goddamn close. !