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Title: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Reddy on August 14, 2011, 02:19:13 am
I'm going to take a cavalry build next generation so I would like to ask if anyone had some good ideas for a build.

Thanks in advanced for any replies
Mr Red.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Jarlek on August 14, 2011, 02:26:36 am
If you want to be a polearm cav. (would be nice if you pointed what cav you wanted to be btw)
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If you want to be a 1h.
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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Digglez on August 14, 2011, 03:15:48 am
unless you are a pro lancer, a shield is recommended.  I cant count the number of times shield has saved me and also prevented some damage to horse.  even 2-3 skill is helpful, although I would recommend 4 to use the knightly kite shield
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Reddy on August 14, 2011, 03:19:13 am
Thankyou Zapper for the help.

And yes I was thinking the same, any help with a shield/polearm build?
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Jarlek on August 14, 2011, 03:33:28 am
Oh fuck, forgot the shield in my 1h cav xD Sorry about that.

For a polearm shield, well your kinda fucked with the blue slot system, but this one here is actually pretty good.
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And to fix the 1h cav build I made (again sorry) here it is:
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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Reddy on August 14, 2011, 05:04:46 am
Zapper I think you've totally put the idea of a shield polearm guy off for me now. I've decided to go polearm only with a backup incase I get dehorsed, Thanks for the help though.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: BADPLAYERold on August 14, 2011, 01:15:35 pm
I'm polearm cavalry with a heavy lance, elite cavalry shield and a quarterstaff that I use without a shield when i'm dismounted. I use this build and do pretty well with it:

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In my experience I find that WPF for cavalry is useless and not much better for infantry.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: LordRichrich on August 14, 2011, 01:25:06 pm
I'd say go for higher str, so you can one-hit mid-armour enimies from horseback :)
I personally like 15 agi because it lets me use heavy horses, gives a decent amount of wpf and leaves enough str to 1 hit :D
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Digglez on August 14, 2011, 09:25:10 pm
Quote from: LordRichrich on August 14, 2011, 01:25:06 pm
I'd say go for higher str, so you can one-hit mid-armour enimies from horseback :)
I personally like 15 agi because it lets me use heavy horses, gives a decent amount of wpf and leaves enough str to 1 hit :D

5 PS is fine if you are using aheavy lance, that gets greater speed bonus from horse.  So his higher riding means his horse accelerates faster and has higher top speed.  bad player is a beast on heavy horses
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Jarlek on August 14, 2011, 09:31:02 pm
Quote from: Reddy on August 14, 2011, 05:04:46 am
Zapper I think you've totally put the idea of a shield polearm guy off for me now. I've decided to go polearm only with a backup incase I get dehorsed, Thanks for the help though.
oh, Polearm and shield is actually a very good option (but the HARDEST one there is. THIS IS NOT EASYMODE!) but you kinda have to be ON FOOT to use it to it's fullest. Those skillpoints used in riding puts you a bit back but so does those two slots for whatever lance you are using. polearm and shield is a good choice but for horsemen you lose lots of equipment options. Then again you don't NEED a lance. A shield + warpsear/red tassel spear can be used both on foot and horse. You just can't couch and lose some reach.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Sir_Mateusz on August 15, 2011, 06:31:39 am
@@Lancer + Shield + Iron Flash (it saved me many times)
18/18
Converted 2 (once)

Ironflesh 6
Power Strike 6
Shield 2
Athletics 3
Riding 6
Weaapon Mastery 6

HP 65

Polearm 156


@@Lancer + Shield (no Iron Flash but +1 PS)
21/18
Converted 8 (4 times)

Power Strike 7
Shield 2
Athletics 2
Riding 6
Weaapon Mastery 6

HP 56

Polearm 156

I used both and first one is much better.
As you see I dont like athletic because most time i spend on saddle. I dont even use secondary weapon to fight on foot - Heavy Lance - Queen of Weapons FTW !!
Shield is mainly for ranged protection. If it breaks hmmm... sometimes happens - manual blocks are not so bad - they work even from behind LOL (I swear!)

PS.
If you want more power you can also go build number two 24/15 8PS but -1 Riding and -1 WM. Slower but stronger.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Smoothrich on August 15, 2011, 11:19:42 pm
pro build real talk

Strength: 15
Agility: 24
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 3
Athletics: 4
Riding: 8
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
Polearm: 113
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Riddaren on August 17, 2011, 02:29:20 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on August 15, 2011, 11:19:42 pm
pro build real talk

Strength: 15
Agility: 24
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 3
Athletics: 4
Riding: 8
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
Polearm: 113

I assume you are trolling because that build is crap.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 01:23:02 am
Care to elaborate why?  Considering I top the scoreboards of nearly every Battle server match and Strategus battle, I think its pretty decent..
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 18, 2011, 01:25:39 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 01:23:02 am
Care to elaborate why?  Considering I top the scoreboards of nearly every Battle server and Strategus battle, I think its pretty decent..

The man speaks the truth, he does pretty damn well with that build, though I personally use a slightly modified version, remove 4 ATHL and the 3 IF and raise AGIL to 27 and add one riding. I like to go zoom zoom.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 01:30:28 am
If you do 4 PS and 0 shield, you can do 10 riding.  I think that'd be a little too much though, but would be hilarious.

4 athletics I find is good enough to use my heavy lance as a long spear when I'm dismounted and run away when need be, but I usually just fight wherever I land.  In strategus, its enough to get back into friendly lines.  Need at least 3 shield to use most of the shields people buy in Strategus battles.

You don't need Weapon Master for any dedicated build except ranged, and you especially don't need it as a cavalry lancer.

I used to do 0 athletics cav builds, but I enjoy melee combat fighting enough that 0 athletics makes me feel too gimped and I'd get mad at the game.  4 athletics can make you twice as fast as some NA players anyways.

Just throw whatever points you can into Iron Flesh, because I can often survive a full speed light cav lance right to my chest and get away with barely any HP left.  The only problem with the build is the relative weakness of having just 15 STR when it comes to melee fighting, but considering if I'm fighting on the ground I screwed up already, its not a big deal.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 01:32:53 am
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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: gazda on August 18, 2011, 01:41:06 am
If you ask me , best cav build is this

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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Myltinous on August 18, 2011, 02:06:35 am
Keep upkeep in mind, calvary can get very, very expensive  :(
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Classical on August 18, 2011, 02:17:31 am
Quote from: gazda on August 18, 2011, 01:41:06 am
If you ask me , best cav build is this

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Drop the point from either shield or weapon master, rather than a key element such as athletics. Also split your points, you do not need over 130 weapon proficiency in anything that doesn't relate to a crosshair.

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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Dach on August 18, 2011, 02:17:51 am
Quote from: Myltinous on August 18, 2011, 02:06:35 am
Keep upkeep in mind, calvary can get very, very expensive  :(

That's why most people build here are made with a sumpter horse in mind!

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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Torp on August 18, 2011, 04:18:16 am
Quote from: Zapper on August 14, 2011, 03:33:28 am
Yes, you need that much agi because you need that much wpf. The shield slows down you polearm SO MUCH that any wpf you can get is valuable.

wrong - speed is the same with shield as without when you are lancing from a horse - i think it was Walt who proved that, cba to find the topic. The important thing is that tehre is no difference. My suggestion:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 53
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 5
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 77
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 145
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1

You can remove some from shield and put it in IF if you prefer.
This allows you to 1-hit the people while still giving you 6 riding. The 77 1h is to give you a sidearm for when your horse gets killed, which is very important imo, and 1h/shield works betetr than those crappy 1-slot polearms.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 04:28:22 am
0 Weapon Master for life.  You can get another level of power strike or riding in any of these builds if you sacrifice weapon master and some shield/athletics.  We are making cav builds after all, aren't we?  Its only worthwhile if you plan on doing 1 hand melee and polearm lancing.  Then by all means.. get 2 points.  At most, IMO. 

Why so many 5-6 shield skills too?  All you can use is an Elite Cav shield anyways.  All you should care about is getting Riding as stupidly high as you can, with maxed Power Strike.

18/18 is boooorrrrinng
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Torp on August 18, 2011, 05:35:37 am
I want to be capable both on foot and horse with both polearm and shield.

Grinded my way to lvl 32 to have everything a pure lvl 30 cav has and everything a pure lvl 30 inf has.

I'll hit 6 shield skill at lvl 33, allowing me to use steel shield when playing support shielder and for the lulz :)
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Shpongled on August 18, 2011, 05:43:33 am
lvl 32 cav build is 18/21

To get a taste, try

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 18
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 53

    * Skills to attributes: 8

    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 6
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 5
    * Riding: 7
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 5

    * One Handed: 1
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 148
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing:


Key points:

6 PS
7 Riding

ProL33tGodRidingBuild - 35

Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

    * Strength: 21
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 64

    * Skills to attributes: 4

    * Ironflesh: 4
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 7
    * Riding: 7
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 7

    * One Handed: 1
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 148
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 1

^^ is what I am aiming for after reaching gencap, from 18/21 at lvl 32
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Shpongled on August 18, 2011, 05:52:18 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 01:30:28 am
4 athletics I find is good enough to use my heavy lance as a long spear when I'm dismounted and run away when need be, but I usually just fight wherever I land.

Plz note that the scene is very different between NA and EU. On NA, what rich said may be true.

On EU with 4 ath, tho, ppl will dance round you like you aren't moving. If you want to be at all feasible in foot combat, you need at least 6 ath. 7 pref.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Torp on August 18, 2011, 05:52:36 am
Quote from: Shpongled on August 18, 2011, 05:43:33 am
lvl 32 cav build is 18/21

To get a taste, try

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    * Strength: 18
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 53

    * Skills to attributes: 8

    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 6
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 5
    * Riding: 7
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 5

    * One Handed: 1
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 148
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing:


Key points:

6 PS
7 Riding

ProL33tGodRidingBuild - 35

Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

    * Strength: 21
    * Agility: 21
    * Hit points: 64

    * Skills to attributes: 4

    * Ironflesh: 4
    * Power Strike: 7
    * Shield: 0
    * Athletics: 7
    * Riding: 7
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 0
    * Weapon Master: 7

    * One Handed: 1
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 148
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 1

^^ is what I am aiming for after reaching gencap, from 18/21 at lvl 32

i pretty much agree with this... but i figured i'll never hit 35,  so ill just increase my shield and if from now on :) Thats means i'll have maxed shield and if if i ever hit 35 instead of the extra 3 agi
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Shpongled on August 18, 2011, 05:55:38 am
Quote from: Torp on August 18, 2011, 05:52:36 am
i pretty much agree with this... but i figured i'll never hit 35,  so ill just increase my shield and if from now on :) Thats means i'll have maxed shield and if if i ever hit 35 instead of the extra 3 agi

Aye, 35 is a long way away. But who knows. C-rpg has kept me riveted for over a year now. Another year and I'll have it.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Torp on August 18, 2011, 06:18:11 am
Quote from: Shpongled on August 18, 2011, 05:55:38 am
Aye, 35 is a long way away. But who knows. C-rpg has kept me riveted for over a year now. Another year and I'll have it.

true story... ill just get double the exp needed for lvl 35 and then respec xD
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Riddaren on August 19, 2011, 12:10:21 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on August 18, 2011, 01:23:02 am
Care to elaborate why?  Considering I top the scoreboards of nearly every Battle server match and Strategus battle, I think its pretty decent..

Well, you would do even better with a good build. That build is bad.
I just don't see why you would get 24 agility just to get 8 riding. You don't really need more than the requirement for the horse you want to use.
Also, why get IF before maxing athletics or even shield?
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Jarlek on August 19, 2011, 12:47:02 am
Quote from: Torp on August 18, 2011, 04:18:16 am
wrong - speed is the same with shield as without when you are lancing from a horse - i think it was Walt who proved that, cba to find the topic. The important thing is that tehre is no difference. My suggestion:

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Yes, cause that obviously wasn't about using a spear and shield on foot  :rolleyes:
Attack speed isn't important at all when on horse, apart from the 1h cav when they fight other cav.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Torp on August 19, 2011, 06:57:21 am
Quote from: Zapper on August 19, 2011, 12:47:02 am
Yes, cause that obviously wasn't about using a spear and shield on foot  :rolleyes:

Wow, this post is so true

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Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Jarlek on August 19, 2011, 09:20:45 pm
Quote from: Torp on August 19, 2011, 06:57:21 am
Wow, this post is so true

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Sigh. Look at my post again. It was about using it on foot. I was talking about when he became dehorsed he would want a fast shield. Learn to read.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Kafein on August 20, 2011, 01:10:39 pm
If you go for a shield, either stop at 4 or 6 skill. 5 is a terrible choice for a cav because the only 5 dif shields are the huscarl and bucklers. You are better going for the roflsteelshield or being happy with knightly kite/heather or elite cav (fast, good looking cav shields) or heavy kite/heather/norman (better coverage and stats but buggy/retarded look on horse).
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Classical on August 20, 2011, 08:17:23 pm
Quote from: BADPLAYER on August 14, 2011, 01:15:35 pm
I'm polearm cavalry with a heavy lance, elite cavalry shield and a quarterstaff that I use without a shield when i'm dismounted. I use this build and do pretty well with it:

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In my experience I find that WPF for cavalry is useless and not much better for infantry.

This is pretty much one of the best builds I've seen so far that takes into consideration proven elements of the game such as how fucking useless weapon master is, and is a solid, stable build for pure lance cavalry.

Looks like I'm going back to cavalry next generation with this build.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Riddaren on August 21, 2011, 12:29:12 am
Quote from: Classical on August 20, 2011, 08:17:23 pm
This is pretty much one of the best builds I've seen so far that takes into consideration proven elements of the game such as how fucking useless weapon master is, and is a solid, stable build for pure lance cavalry.

Looks like I'm going back to cavalry next generation with this build.

WM is far from useless in general.  However WM is not needed to become the best melee (lance or 1h) cavalry player of crpg.
But if you want to be able to compete with the best of 2H players on foot as well, you really need those extra points in WM, not just athletics.

Also, don't forget that WM adds quite a lot of damage.

Anyway, it all comes down to personal preference and playstyle in the end.
Personally I want to be able to do well both from horseback and dismounted.


OT:
Fraemi seems to run some script that automatically gives me -1 on all posts. Can some admin deal with it? It's kind of annoying.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Jarlek on August 21, 2011, 08:07:41 pm
Quote from: Riddaren on August 21, 2011, 12:29:12 am
WM is far from useless in general.  However WM is not needed to become the best melee (lance or 1h) cavalry player of crpg.
But if you want to be able to compete with the best of 2H players on foot as well, you really need those extra points in WM, not just athletics.

Also, don't forget that WM adds quite a lot of damage.

Anyway, it all comes down to personal preference and playstyle in the end.
Personally I want to be able to do well both from horseback and dismounted.


OT:
Fraemi seems to run some script that automatically gives me -1 on all posts. Can some admin deal with it? It's kind of annoying.
Have a +1 from me :D
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: BADPLAYERold on August 21, 2011, 09:10:38 pm
I think that WPF is almost completely useless even for melee, I changed my build abit (4shield 1WM) and have 87 WPF in polearms and 1handers, I really cannot notice any difference between my swing speed with a bec/steel pick and someone who has 150WPF points swing speed.
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Classical on August 21, 2011, 09:41:43 pm
Quote from: BADPLAYER on August 21, 2011, 09:10:38 pm
I think that WPF is almost completely useless even for melee, I changed my build abit (4shield 1WM) and have 87 WPF in polearms and 1handers, I really cannot notice any difference between my swing speed with a bec/steel pick and someone who has 150WPF points swing speed.

Citation (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2531.0.html)
Title: Re: Need help for a cavalry build
Post by: Mtemtko on August 22, 2011, 03:59:31 am
I went:
1h cav
Lvl31
24/15
+1 IF at 32
8PS
5riding
3ath+2 at 32
5wm
5shield

Going from 7PS to 8PS was massive, now with a swing to face I can onehit almost anyone with MW NCS(the stab is amazing, I can outreach everything but pikes/spears with it) and with 73b armor (L brigande L heavy gauntlets) combined with champ cata I'm extremely hard to bring down (a good danish swing will do 10-20% to me and my horse)
First I thought about going 21/15 or 18/18 but after seeing that I cant do any serious damage I went for 24/15 and im loving it, I'm very slow on ground with the gear I mentioned above i'm screwed when its 2v1 agaisnt me(I'd do 3-5v1 easy with 18/18 and 6ath) but I can manage in 1v1s against pretty much anyone.
I didn't pick lancer because I find it kinda boring.