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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Beothed on August 11, 2011, 05:38:16 am
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I've been tempted to go heavy cav 1h with shield. I may at my next generation, but is it a good play style? I love the horses and would like to get a warhorse or charger, but I also want to be able to do ok on foot and in sieges? What do you all think about 1 handed heavy cav? Here is the build I was considering:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
* Strength: 21
* Agility: 15
* Hit points: 60
* Skills to attributes: 2
* Ironflesh: 2
* Power Strike: 7
* Shield: 5
* Athletics: 5
* Riding: 5
* Horse Archery: 0
* Power Draw: 0
* Power Throw: 0
* Weapon Master: 5
* One Handed: 134
* Two Handed: 1
* Polearm: 80
* Archery: 1
* Crossbow: 1
* Throwing: 1
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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
* Strength: 18
* Agility: 18
* Skills to attributes: 2
* Ironflesh: 6
* Power Strike: 6
* Shield: 6
* Athletics: 5
* Riding: 6
* One Handed: 113
you can't be heavy cav without plated charger
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18/18 is the most versatile spec, not good, not bad, jsut meh...
imho not powerful enuff to bumslashonehit guys even....21/15 is quite fine, even tho i would drop the points in poles, you can do quite well without them aswell (if you wanna go lance cav, just go pure pole cav), if you wanna ocassionally lance but primarily used onehand, id say you dont need any points
you can't be heavy cav without plated charger
i disagree here, heavy cav can be pretty much anything from warhorse up :twisted:
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18/18 is the most versatile spec, not good, not bad, jsut meh...
imho not powerful enuff to bumslashonehit guys even....21/15 is quite fine, even tho i would drop the points in poles, you can do quite well without them aswell (if you wanna go lance cav, just go pure pole cav), if you wanna ocassionally lance but primarily used onehand, id say you dont need any points
i disagree here, heavy cav can be pretty much anything from warhorse up :twisted:
yeah you can pretent to be heavy cav with something less than a plated charger, but you might as well use a wooden shield and something other than full plate.
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yeah you can pretent to be heavy cav with something less than a plated charger, but you might as well use a wooden shield and something other than full plate.
well, in that case i have not met a single heavy cav for ages, as i either see plated people on mail horses (warhorse and such) or almost naked guy on plated charger
Anyways the horses for 5 riding are perfectly fit for 1h cav.
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I consider myself one of the top5 1h cav in NA. I would say dont bother putting the points in polearm at all, it doesnt serve any purpose. You'll do as much dmg with a good sword or morningstar. Build looks good besides that. you can drop a point from shield, wm and athletics to get more ironflesh, as cav you will get hit in the body plenty and IF is extremely useful.
The purpose of 1h heavy cav is close infantry support. Bumping heavily armored enemies for your teammates, fending off/body blocking enemy cav and killing unware and stragglers.
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I consider myself one of the top5 1h cav in NA. I would say dont bother putting the points in polearm at all, it doesnt serve any purpose. You'll do as much dmg with a good sword or morningstar. Build looks good besides that. you can drop a point from shield, wm and athletics to get more ironflesh, as cav you will get hit in the body plenty and IF is extremely useful.
The purpose of 1h heavy cav is close infantry support. Bumping heavily armored enemies for your teammates, fending off/body blocking enemy cav and killing unware and stragglers.
lol
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i prefer the charger, though even at champion (which mine is) you expected it to survive against anything, but ive had it 1-2 shot before, pretty annoying(not regarding couched lanced).
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i prefer the charger, though even at champion (which mine is) you expected it to survive against anything, but ive had it 1-2 shot before, pretty annoying(not regarding couched lanced).
but the charger is so expensive!!! mehhhhh
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Ah I remember when I was 1h cav. It hurt me on a deep, personal level. I did far better when I picked up a lance, despite my 0 wpf in polearms.
Effective heavy cav, the kind that does close infantry support, requires a metal horse of some kind, or a destrier. Regardless, its amazingly expensive if you actually desire to play your role, and its not easy. Do not expect to stand up to people one on one and actually win, for they'll just kill your horse. Or they'll stand infront of it, blocking it, so that you cannot move, despite the 500 pound animal being entirely at your command. Or they'll waggle a polearm infront of its face, bringing your movement to a dead halt.
In other words, have fun being 1h cav.
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Ah I remember when I was 1h cav. It hurt me on a deep, personal level. I did far better when I picked up a lance, despite my 0 wpf in polearms.
Effective heavy cav, the kind that does close infantry support, requires a metal horse of some kind, or a destrier. Regardless, its amazingly expensive if you actually desire to play your role, and its not easy. Do not expect to stand up to people one on one and actually win, for they'll just kill your horse. Or they'll stand infront of it, blocking it, so that you cannot move, despite the 500 pound animal being entirely at your command. Or they'll waggle a polearm infront of its face, bringing your movement to a dead halt.
In other words, have fun being 1h cav.
i am really, i actually do way better as 1handed cav than lancer, not because you can kill easier,(becasue that's not true) but because when i'm lancer, i go for other cavalry, and die a lot because of that, and when i'm 1handed cav, i don't.
but yeah, i disire to be able to ride a heavy horse all the time. it would save my horse a lot.
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Fake-charge, slow down/stop, block, bump/slash.
Try to turn the head of your horse away from your opponent when you slow down and stop to stay on your horse a little longer.
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lmao, 5 riding? Where is your plated charger girly man?
GO BIG OR GTFO
Last gen I ran 18/18. 6 PS, 6 riding, 5 shield, 6 IF (i thing), 6 WM, 0 athletics. All wpf was in 1 hander. If I ran a courser I used a great lance and couched dudes with a shashka as a side arm. When I went heavy I rode a plated charger (like a BOSS) and used a heavy heater shield and morning star.
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lmao, 5 riding? Where is your plated charger girly man?
GO BIG OR GTFO
Last gen I ran 18/18. 6 PS, 6 riding, 5 shield, 6 IF (i thing), 6 WM, 0 athletics. All wpf was in 1 hander. If I ran a courser I used a great lance and couched dudes with a shashka as a side arm. When I went heavy I rode a plated charger (like a BOSS) and used a heavy heater shield and morning star.
Ironflesh over athletics? Thats the only thing I have against this build. I went 18/18 as onehander cav, 5 shield, 5 athletics, 5 weaponmaster, 6 riding, 6 powerstrike, maybe I missed something thoug.
6 riding doesn't only give you access to the heaviest horses, but it boosts your manouverability and speed, which are very important.
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Ironflesh over athletics? Thats the only thing I have against this build. I went 18/18 as onehander cav, 5 shield, 5 athletics, 5 weaponmaster, 6 riding, 6 powerstrike, maybe I missed something thoug.
6 riding doesn't only give you access to the heaviest horses, but it boosts your manouverability and speed, which are very important.
you can have 6wm,ps,ath,riding and 5 shield, so you were even better(atleast at lvl 30 build)
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Besides the fact you have to grind for gold 4/5 rounds with equipment other than the equipment you actually want to use, 1h/shield heavy cav is a very fun and good playstyle.
This is a build I have had in mind for some weeks now.
Level 35 1H/shield heavy cavarly
21/18 70hp
7if
7ps
6sh
6at
6ri
6wm
wpf 50 polearm (you can play with light horse, light armour and heavy lance with pretty good efficiency with only 50wpf)
wpf 157 one hand
- If you play on foot without a shield you can use the long espada eslavona which is really good for dueling.
- Using 1H (arabian cavalry sword is the best) with courser and arabian warhorse is pretty nice too.
I would say dont bother putting the points in polearm at all, it doesnt serve any purpose.
The purpose it serves is that it prevents the heavy lance from breaking almost EVERY ROUND.
It is also a big difference between 0 and 50 WPF. Not really much difference between ~141 and 148 onehanded, and even less if you get more WM.
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Besides the fact you have to grind for gold 4/5 rounds with equipment other than the equipment you actually want to use, 1h/shield heavy cav is a very fun and good playstyle.
This is a build I have had in mind for some weeks now.
Level 35 1H/shield heavy cavarly
21/18 70hp
7if
7ps
6sh
6at
6ri
6wm
wpf 50 polearm (you can play with light horse, light armour and heavy lance with pretty good efficiency with only 50wpf)
wpf 157 one hand
- If you play on foot without a shield you can use the long espada eslavona which is really good for dueling.
Some people may be surprised when they see it has the highest thrusting damage of all 1H/2H weapons in the game.
- Using 1H (arabian cavalry sword is the best) with courser and arabian warhorse is pretty nice too.
The purpose it serves is that it prevents the heavy lance from breaking almost EVERY ROUND.
It is also a bif difference between 0 and 50 WPF.
the normal espada eslavona has a better thrust :wink: but sucks
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The purpose it serves is that it prevents the heavy lance from breaking almost EVERY ROUND
Heavy cav dont need lances and infact do better with 1H. You dont need a lance to run people over and its alot easier to hit people when running them over with a 1H weapon. lance is just a distraction that interferes with the role of of heavy support
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Heavy cav dont need lances and infact do better with 1H. You dont need a lance to run people over and its alot easier to hit people when running them over with a 1H weapon. lance is just a distraction that interferes with the role of of heavy support
I agree.
Just meant it's a not a total waste to get 50wpf in polearm as it is cheap and really makes a difference compared to 0.
Can be nice to be able to get some variation and go light lance cav from time to time. But yeah, don't get it too lance from a heavy horse. That is a waste.
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I agree.
Just meant it's a not a total waste to get 50wpf in polearm as it is cheap and really makes a difference compared to 0.
Can be nice to be able to get some variation and go light lance cav from time to time. But yeah, don't get it too lance from a heavy horse. That is a waste.
and, 1handed cav is a better way to rage people by bumpslashing them!
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ok, so i m reading a lot about cav, lance no lance, 1hand cav and so on...
i am playing a cav main and every time i hit lvl 25 i respec down to 21 so i don t pay upkeep...
i play 15 / 15 and i am full plate but i wnat to buy a horse with 5 riding.
right now i am full polearm ( around 140 ) but for my next respec i am thinking of 1hand shield , but i m not sure that with 5 ps i will be able to kill anything....
right now my ratio is around 1-1 ( k/d ) and i m not a very good player...average i would say....
Could you pls help me with a build on lvl 21 and its possible evolution up to lvl 25 and give me some advice on choices between polearms / 1 hand, etc... AT THIS LVL WITH MY PS and RIDING LIMITATION ( i dont really mind about ATH as i have to make choices and I KNOW I AM A DEAD MAN AS SOON AS I HIT THE GROUND ) - which in a rp point of view is quite realistic is you think about heavy knights in medieval times...-
tks in advance!!!! ( forgot to say, most of my kills are with couching right now... with heavy lance )
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heh, i tried 1h cav with 0 prof (with my mace) it was too slow so i switched to 2h (also mace, no shield). The speed and damage loss was only noticeable to me in that i had to hit people several times at full speed to kill.
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ok, so i m reading a lot about cav, lance no lance, 1hand cav and so on...
i am playing a cav main and every time i hit lvl 25 i respec down to 21 so i don t pay upkeep...
i play 15 / 15 and i am full plate but i wnat to buy a horse with 5 riding.
right now i am full polearm ( around 140 ) but for my next respec i am thinking of 1hand shield , but i m not sure that with 5 ps i will be able to kill anything....
right now my ratio is around 1-1 ( k/d ) and i m not a very good player...average i would say....
Could you pls help me with a build on lvl 21 and its possible evolution up to lvl 25 and give me some advice on choices between polearms / 1 hand, etc... AT THIS LVL WITH MY PS and RIDING LIMITATION ( i dont really mind about ATH as i have to make choices and I KNOW I AM A DEAD MAN AS SOON AS I HIT THE GROUND ) - which in a rp point of view is quite realistic is you think about heavy knights in medieval times...-
tks in advance!!!! ( forgot to say, most of my kills are with couching right now... with heavy lance )
Level 21 (762 569 xp)
Strength: 13
Agility: 15
Hit points: 48
Skills to attributes: 4
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 4
Athletics: 0
Riding: 5
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 137
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
try this, it wont do a shitload of damage, but if you take the arab cav sword, then you can kill enough to have fun. take best armor you can wear, plate covered round shield, sick helmet, charger and you're good to go as an uber cool heavy cavalry, you can also take a pick and axe if you want to(and have money left) axe for shieldbreaking and pick for heavy armored guys.
i updated it because of the requirment for the arab cav sword! look at the B letters!
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tks a lot for your advice, but i d like a 15 stregnth one... because i already have bought my whole armure with a 15 dificulty lol...
i need 15 str, 15 agi ( for 5 riding ) and i dont know if i will be able to get my shield up to 4 with all that requisites.... if i cant: i don t see anybody with a 2 hander on horse, why is that? and does it use the 1h wpf or the 2h wpf if im on horse?
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tks a lot for your advice, but i d like a 15 stregnth one... because i already have bought my whole armure with a 15 dificulty lol...
i need 15 str, 15 agi ( for 5 riding ) and i dont know if i will be able to get my shield up to 4 with all that requisites.... if i cant: i don t see anybody with a 2 hander on horse, why is that? and does it use the 1h wpf or the 2h wpf if im on horse?
trust me, with 15/15, you wont have enough points to make your build effective to kill and survive, and with 13 str you can't take plate, but a coat of plates is possible.