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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: gazda on August 05, 2011, 08:00:16 pm

Title: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 05, 2011, 08:00:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klw_ydLOvFY&feature=related

what do you think

it could be very usefull against cav in terms of blocking passages and flanks, and it wouldnt mess with the game balance,
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Digglez on August 05, 2011, 08:28:56 pm
would certainly make for more interesting team & tactics play

what happens if you walk into them? can teammates walk thru the shaft away from the point/tip without taking dmg?
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 05, 2011, 10:05:59 pm
honestly dont know, but i think that part would be for our item balancers to decide
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Joelturuz on August 05, 2011, 10:11:29 pm
Would be neat even though it probably wouldn't see much use save for Strategus.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 05, 2011, 10:39:44 pm
well if our beloved dev team could waste time and space for extremely useless voice chat, i think this would be worth to implement
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on August 06, 2011, 10:33:57 pm
hm...the animation is very nice but i think in battle it will be completly unuseful as u will get shot way too easy by snipers if u cant move
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 06, 2011, 10:37:35 pm
yes definitly, but this would be much more usfuell in formations in strategus for guarding spawns from cav etc, rather then battle servers
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Digglez on August 06, 2011, 10:39:11 pm
hm...the animation is very nice but i think in battle it will be completly unuseful as u will get shot way too easy by snipers if u cant move
not when you do it in a chokepoint and have a board/huscarl shielder infront of you and 2h guy beside you
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Jarlek on August 07, 2011, 12:51:22 am
not when you do it in a chokepoint and have a board/huscarl shielder infront of you and 2h guy beside you
I also don't seee how that is a bad thing, considering that a pikewalls worst enemy is incoming arrows. They SHOULD be easy targets from the archer if they are in the defensive.

Also YES introduce this. I WANTS ME PIKES BRACEDS!!
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Jacko on August 07, 2011, 12:38:28 pm
Damn that's a nice animation!

Found another vid:

http://www.wegame.com/watch/mb-warband-papas-spear-bracing-animations/
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 07, 2011, 05:00:13 pm
awsome idea, though if you have a pike, wouldn't the point be 3m high?
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 07, 2011, 05:37:42 pm
awsome idea, though if you have a pike, wouldn't the point be 3m high?

sounds good to me :D
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 07, 2011, 06:10:17 pm
sounds good to me :D
but i mean, would it hit the lower incoming enemies?
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Phalanx300 on August 08, 2011, 01:48:30 pm
I'm all for it! And as it has been said it wouldn't disrupt balance that much as you can't move in that position.

Only thing to figure out is how it should work. Maybe make it so you can't walk past the spear point? And it stops and damages horses?

And for people wondering whether its "accurate", it is:

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Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 08, 2011, 02:52:35 pm
you could make a pikewall with a shieldwall infront of it, than when the cav charges the shieldwall they pull back behind the pikes and bam!
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Vibe on August 08, 2011, 02:59:19 pm
+1, nice animation
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Poetrydog on August 08, 2011, 03:18:21 pm
Yup +1 very cool.

Here when horses hit the wall http://www.wegame.com/watch/spear-bracing-code-wip-1-1/
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 08, 2011, 03:20:39 pm
Yup +1 very cool.

Here when horses hit the wall http://www.wegame.com/watch/spear-bracing-code-wip-1-1/

nice, exactly what is needed, nice video
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Overdriven on August 08, 2011, 03:31:07 pm
I've mentioned such a thing in many posts in the past. Great job on actually finding the animation!
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Phalanx300 on August 08, 2011, 04:39:32 pm
I prefer the animation in OP to the above one.

But still thats the effect on cavalry we need. Maybe it should also be a "barrier" which infantry can't pass. At the end of the spearpoint at least.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Joxer on August 08, 2011, 04:47:20 pm
Animation is ok but bit slow.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on August 08, 2011, 04:50:46 pm
This is amazing i hope it catches the eye of some dev
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Torben on August 08, 2011, 04:57:19 pm
very good.  this should be the only way to actually stop horses.  very good.  yes.  haha.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Peasant_Woman on August 08, 2011, 05:22:31 pm
Amazing, why isn't this in cRPG already?
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Overdriven on August 08, 2011, 05:35:03 pm
Animation is ok but bit slow.

It should be slow. If it was to fast it would become way to OP. It's meant to be for organised formations which would take time to prepare.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 08, 2011, 06:03:11 pm
Amazing, why isn't this in cRPG already?

From the things i saw, this is work in progress, its should be released in new pre battles and deployment mod. From what i see here animations are done so i guess its just waiting for PBOD release.I dont know when is this gonna be but if its before crpg patch then it will be ok for next patch but if its not,devs should  ask creator to give them promision to release it.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Phalanx300 on August 08, 2011, 06:11:55 pm
Yes. The other work of the guy from OP video is also impressive.

Definately need this! :P
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: ToxicKilla on August 08, 2011, 09:16:23 pm
They could just take the one from WFaS, I really like that one. When something hits your braced pike your character reacts and it looks quite epic.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Banok on August 09, 2011, 06:57:22 am
I LIKE
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Jarlek on August 09, 2011, 04:16:41 pm
They could just take the one from WFaS, I really like that one. When something hits your braced pike your character reacts and it looks quite epic.
Yeah the brace from WFaS (and the crouch) is really nice. But the thing is you can't take things from warband and put them in WFaS and vice versa, because of legal issues. Don't remember the exact reason but it was something with them being developed by different teams or something.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 09, 2011, 05:10:09 pm
Yeah the brace from WFaS (and the crouch) is really nice. But the thing is you can't take things from warband and put them in WFaS and vice versa, because of legal issues. Don't remember the exact reason but it was something with them being developed by different teams or something.

true
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 09, 2011, 05:26:17 pm
and WFaS probably has other owners too, qua stocks
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 11, 2011, 12:57:37 pm
any devs want to say something?
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Riddaren on August 11, 2011, 09:46:12 pm
very good.  this should be the only way to actually stop horses.  very good.  yes.  haha.

I agree.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 11, 2011, 09:48:37 pm
I agree.
though they shouldn't be placeable in an alley, that would suck balls
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Phalanx300 on August 13, 2011, 03:22:06 pm
They should be placable everywhere. However it makes you static which is the disadvantage (You should still be able to turn around, just not move).

Only thing to wonder is how it should affect infantry?

And what are the thoughts of the devs about this ability?
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Fartface on August 13, 2011, 04:30:05 pm
just wondering what if an group of people do this with long awlpikes.
and one enemy with an long spear is near them.
hes out of the range of the spear wall
he stabs at them he has longer weapon so he can.
how does this work then?
can the people in spear wall block or what??
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: gazda on August 13, 2011, 04:36:01 pm
just wondering what if an group of people do this with long awlpikes.
and one enemy with an long spear is near them.
hes out of the range of the spear wall
he stabs at them he has longer weapon so he can.
how does this work then?
can the people in spear wall block or what??

well, in this situation you wont use spear bracing  :wink:

p.s
remember its anti cav tactic
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Phalanx300 on August 13, 2011, 05:32:11 pm
Yes then you simply go out of the Spear Brace.

I do think Horses should be damaged by it though, to discourage charging Braced Pikes.
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: Glyph on August 21, 2011, 12:18:51 pm
Yes then you simply go out of the Spear Brace.

I do think Horses should be damaged by it though, to discourage charging Braced Pikes.
ofc it should do damage, if you run into a wall it hurts you too right? than running into a pointy thing would too!
Title: Re: pike braceing
Post by: ToxicKilla on August 21, 2011, 07:14:47 pm
Yeah the brace from WFaS (and the crouch) is really nice. But the thing is you can't take things from warband and put them in WFaS and vice versa, because of legal issues. Don't remember the exact reason but it was something with them being developed by different teams or something.
Aye, then maybe just recreate it pretty much the same. :D