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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Punisher on August 02, 2011, 09:25:52 pm

Title: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Punisher on August 02, 2011, 09:25:52 pm

Gnjus and Gazda started a project a while back, aiming to improve and balance the native village maps. They set the spawns for both teams outside the villages at equal distances, removed the buggy map ladders so roofs access is done only by player ladders, leveled some of the silly steep hills, blocked some exploitable places and other minor adjustements that I have yet to discover.

For now, only the first 60 native villages are ready. I set them up on the official EU battle servers, looking forward to your feedback in case they need further adjustement.

The new maps are:
 

(click to show/hide)

  Blank_90 village_1   Yaragar
  Blank_91 village_2   Burglen
  Blank_92 village_3   Azgad
  Blank_93 village_4   Nomar
  Blank_94 village_5   Kulum
  Blank_95 village_6   Emirin
  Blank_96 village_7   Amere
  Blank_97 village_8   Haen
  Blank_98 village_9   Buvran
  Blank_99 village_10   Mechin
  Blank_100 village_11   Dusturil
  Blank_101 village_12   Emer
  Blank_102 village_13   Nemeja
  Blank_103 village_14   Sumbuja
  Blank_104 village_15   Ryibelet
  Blank_105 village_16   Shapeshte
  Blank_106  village_17   Mazen
  Blank_107 village_18   Ulburban
  Blank_108 village_19   Hanun
  Blank_109 village_20   Uslum
  Blank_110 village_21   Bazeck
  Blank_111 village_22   Shulus
  Blank_112 village_23   Ilvia
  Blank_113 village_24   Ruldi
  Blank_114 village_25   Dashbigha
  Blank_115 village_26   Pagundur
  Blank_116 village_27   Glunmar
  Blank_117 village_28   Tash_Kulun
  Blank_118 village_29   Buillin
  Blank_119 village_30   Ruvar
  Blank_120 village_31   Ambean
  Blank_121 village_32   Tosdhar
  Blank_122 village_33   Ruluns
  Blank_123 village_34   Ehlerdah
  Blank_124 village_35   Fearichen
  Blank_125 village_36   Jayek
  Blank_126 village_37   Ada_Kulun
  Blank_127 village_38   Ibiran
  Blank_128 village_39   Reveran
  Blank_129 village_40   Saren
  Blank_130 village_41   Dugan
  Blank_131 village_42   Dirigh_Aban
  Blank_132 village_43   Zagush
  Blank_133 village_44   Peshmi
  Blank_134 village_45   Bulugur
  Blank_135 village_46   Fedner
  Blank_136 village_47   Epeshe
  Blank_137 village_48   Veidar
  Blank_138 village_49   Tismirr
  Blank_139 village_50   Karindi
  Blank_140 village_51   Jelbegi
  Blank_141 village_52   Amashke
  Blank_142 village_53   Balanli
  Blank_143 village_54   Chide
  Blank_144 village_55   Tadsamesh
  Blank_145 village_56   Fenada
  Blank_146 village_57   Ushkuru
  Blank_147 village_58   Vezin
  Blank_148 village_59   Dumar
  Blank_149 village_60   Tahlberl

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Keshian on August 02, 2011, 09:28:30 pm

Just to let you know, you just have  alist of village names.  There is no hyper link showing what they look like under the new changes.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Punisher on August 02, 2011, 09:31:02 pm

Quote from: Keshian on August 02, 2011, 09:28:30 pm

Just to let you know, you just have  alist of village names.  There is no hyper link showing what they look like under the new changes.

The point of the list is that people know which maps have been altered so they can report eventual problems. You have to ask Gnjus for the detailed changelog.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: gazda on August 03, 2011, 12:23:14 am

it is good to note that first map has lot of flying trees and other scene props, but others dont.So only the first map, which had its premier tonight has those floating props. It is a bad first impression but there are 59 other maps without bugs, which is by itself enough for around 23h of non repeating maps, so if we count those native + player created there is more then enough to have pleasure of not repating map in a whole day.

As punisher said spawns are placed equally away from the center of village and hills are flattened, in theory that should prove as a balanced map. Tonight the first map pointed that it is probably true, finall score was 4-3 and all the rounds were ended by most of the winning team dead, so no rounds like 90%of winning team left alive. That ofcourse doesnt prove anything but it points in the direction of map being balanced.

Enjoy exploring rest of the maps!!

P.S
If you hate it blame it on gnjus, if you like it thank me  :wink:

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Silicium on August 03, 2011, 12:41:36 am

To be honest the first map is very good gazda im quite impresed about it, the fleing object are just a minor problem that can be fixed easely can't wait to play the other maps tomorow

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Punisher on August 05, 2011, 09:34:22 pm

I expected more feedback on this, it's a pretty big change. Guess I should take the lack of whining as a good sign.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Mouse on August 05, 2011, 10:28:01 pm

No feedback from the internet is always positive feedback. :wink: I say this being a map maker myself.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Casimir on August 05, 2011, 10:57:28 pm

great improvement to village maps, well done.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Lizard_man on August 06, 2011, 12:08:34 am

the maps are definitly alot better, although some i did like were changed, now all the maps are pretty much the same, i also hope that someone fixes the floating trees and other floating objects, but other than that, nice work, now someone needs to work on the rotation of maps... :P

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on August 06, 2011, 12:37:36 am

Oh yes. Definately a lot better. All the hills and cliffsides must've been too steep for the poor horsemen. Now they can finally dominate every inch of the map.

Wouldn't want variety in our maps. That would be silly.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: gazda on August 06, 2011, 12:48:29 am

Quote from: Lizard_man on August 06, 2011, 12:08:34 am

, i also hope that someone fixes the floating trees and other floating objects, but other than that, nice work, now someone needs to work on the rotation of maps... :P

yes this is curently being worked on

Quote from: Ninja_Khorin on August 06, 2011, 12:37:36 am

Oh yes. Definately a lot better. All the hills and cliffsides must've been too steep for the poor horsemen. Now they can finally dominate every inch of the map.

Wouldn't want variety in our maps. That would be silly.

You can hide it all you want, but to be honest, infantry preforms better on flat terrain too, for protecting agaisnt cav you have village if necesary. But ofcourse we cant hide the fact that cavalry does profit from this the most, aswell as the fact that flat maps are way more fun to play then unrealistic native cliffs and hills with 80% slopes everywhere.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on August 06, 2011, 03:06:06 am

I used to be able to move on sides of some maps. Nowadays I get killed by cav if I go there, because I'm even easier to spot and I can no longer use the ground to my advantage.

Now I'm forced to follow the group in nearly all the maps.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Gafgarion on August 06, 2011, 03:08:12 am

Quote from: Ninja_Khorin on August 06, 2011, 03:06:06 am

I used to be able to move on sides of some maps. Nowadays I get killed by cav if I go there, because I'm even easier to spot and I can no longer use the ground to my advantage.

Now I'm forced to follow the group in nearly all the maps.

I agree with this, but only because I find that the spawns for the village maps are a bit close. For that reason it may be harder to flank edge-wise before being overrun by infantry or cav.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: IceManX on August 06, 2011, 03:57:10 pm

I like the new maps more than the old ones.
Even if I havent played all of the new maps.

Keep up the good work.



Perhaps with the next version of crpg: SP should be enable and a possibility to play the MP maps by hosting them by myself for testing.

Quote from: Gafgarion on August 06, 2011, 03:08:12 am

I agree with this, but only because I find that the spawns for the village maps are a bit close. For that reason it may be harder to flank edge-wise before being overrun by infantry or cav.

Yeah spawns should be a little more away from each other. To give a little bit more time (we are talking about few seconds difference) to form up and stay strategic.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Arked on August 08, 2011, 06:00:06 pm

Total cavfest, all the did was removing hills (not speaking of removing stuff that grows on them - floating grass, trees etc looks totally retarded and out of place). Remove modified maps, bring back native maps. I know Gnjus wants to have fun on his new cav character, but this is nonsense. This has nathing to do with "balance".

Also, no hills to hide behind, archer fest x100.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Baggy on August 08, 2011, 06:11:05 pm

We need moar open plains.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Phazey on August 08, 2011, 06:11:36 pm

Quote from: Baggy on August 08, 2011, 06:11:05 pm

We need moar open plains.

+1

Moar plainz!  :D

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Lizard_man on August 08, 2011, 07:20:14 pm

Quote from: Baggy on August 08, 2011, 06:11:05 pm

We need moar open plains.

indeed we do... :)

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Riddaren on August 09, 2011, 01:25:51 am

Great job with the new spawning points. Some maps changed from being kind of bad to really good actually.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Zotte on August 09, 2011, 12:21:37 pm

Well they did a good job making every map a cav map and removing any cover from ranged. Spawn points seem decent though

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: Riddaren on August 09, 2011, 07:43:25 pm

There is a huge difference between melee cavalry and horse archers.

The best possible map for horse archers would be a plain open map which is also really good for foot archers and crossbowmen.
But for melee cavalry a completely open flat map is not good at all as they will get owned by all ranged enemies.

If an archer needs a mountain or roof to camp on to stay alive or get kills he is simply a very bad archer.

Title: Re: New EU village battle maps feedback
Post by: MadeForFighting on August 09, 2011, 07:55:42 pm

Quote from: Arked on August 08, 2011, 06:00:06 pm

Total cavfest, all the did was removing hills (not speaking of removing stuff that grows on them - floating grass, trees etc looks totally retarded and out of place). Remove modified maps, bring back native maps. I know Gnjus wants to have fun on his new cav character, but this is nonsense. This has nathing to do with "balance".

Also, no hills to hide behind, archer fest x100.

This.
The maps look and are completly retarded. Maby I would be able to live with the maps being flat if not all the floating shit that proves that you guys didnt even try to make something good. Really, bring back the native stuff, work on ur maps a little more and come back with them in the future. In 6 months, maby.   :wink: