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Title: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 25, 2011, 10:03:52 pm
Easy solution besides banning all of NA:

Wipe Strategus again (due to the larger map and shoving EU on one side and NA on another side).

Make Calradia bigger to help solve the "crowding issue" since new Strat has significantly more players and clans then old Strat did. EDIT: For clarification I support crowded maps as that causes wars. I do not however support maps that are overcrowded, and currently c-RPG is overcrowded on Strategus.

When joining Strategus ask the player "Are you NA or EU?." Depending on what option the player clicks will determine which side of Calradia he randomly spawns on, this way the middle still has messed up time battles but people can still beat each other up as they please, and one side is just EU and one side is just NA...

 This way "critical mass" is still possible for the game, and it is entirely optional if a clan wants to venture towards the middle where the gigantic NA VS EU timezone clusterfuck is, or just stick on their side of the fence. The best part is, this will 1.) still allow friends to play together, and 2.) naturally set the "clusterfuck neutral zone" without worrying if one side has too small of a population for the continent or not as players will set the "zone."

Problems include making new maps and new names, but names could be easily done in a few days (I could volunteer), enlarging Calradia is a matter of photoshop so there is only a few minutes, and new maps could be solved by using pre-existing villages and slowly making custom maps to slowly get rid of duplicates.


Remember to say why if you disagree with the idea... Otherwise this will keep popping back up to annoy you week after week, month after month.

EDIT:
Quote from: chadz on July 26, 2011, 06:13:10 pm
Actually, this is what is planned, more or less.
Quote from: chadz on July 27, 2011, 07:34:17 am
The difference is that travelling across the border means you have to fight on enemy servers, no matter the attacker/defender.
DISCLAIMER:
In case you have missed the obvious, this is not a 100% original idea and is a result of me thinking about a collection of ideas, picking the best parts of them, putting it all together, modifying it so it fits properly with itself, and added a wee bit of my own ideas to the mix. In other words, for those who need it in extremely simple terms: THIS IS NOT A 100% ORIGINAL IDEA.

PS: If you really needed me to type this out, you are a equus africanus asinus since no other thread has ever needed to type this out as everyone knows almost every single suggestion  thread on these forums draws inspiration or heavily borrows from something else... and by You I mean Jambi.





DISCLAIMER FOR MY DISCLAIMER: The entire disclaimer above was written entirely in jest and should not be taken seriously at all. Period.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Olwen on July 25, 2011, 10:09:04 pm
cool, i'll take Reyvadin, Reyvadin2 and Reyvadin3, gonna be some fun time
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Magikarp on July 25, 2011, 10:17:33 pm
The devs probably already got a solution for this in the new strategus.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Jacko on July 25, 2011, 10:50:53 pm
Quote from: Magikarp on July 25, 2011, 10:17:33 pm
The devs probably already got a solution for this in the new strategus.

Ahaha hahahhaha HAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Miley on July 26, 2011, 05:29:51 am
Also ping!
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Lordark on July 26, 2011, 06:52:34 am
Donkey Balls!
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Wookimonsta on July 26, 2011, 06:01:36 pm
i remember this being suggested before, didnt get accepted though.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: chadz on July 26, 2011, 06:13:10 pm
Actually, this is what is planned, more or less.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 26, 2011, 06:18:16 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 26, 2011, 06:13:10 pm
Actually, this is what is planned, more or less.

Hey Olwen...
 :mrgreen: Sup?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Keshian on July 26, 2011, 07:06:34 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 26, 2011, 06:13:10 pm
Actually, this is what is planned, more or less.

Sounds great!!!,  So when are the new features going to start slowly filtering into strategus?

Wookimonsta - I like your chadz quote, but not as much as Tears' quote on the "who are the best crpgs player" thread under general discussion.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Magikarp on July 26, 2011, 08:01:09 pm
Quote from: Magikarp on July 25, 2011, 10:17:33 pm
The devs probably already got a solution for this in the new strategus.
Quote from: Jacko on July 25, 2011, 10:50:53 pm
Ahaha hahahhaha HAHAHAHA
Quote from: chadz on July 26, 2011, 06:13:10 pm
Actually, this is what is planned, more or less.
Who's laughing now?

@Keshian: They are not going to be filtered in. This reboot of the old strategus is a warm up and will be wiped completely when the new one comes out. There is no update for this one coming at all, maybe a small bugfix if someone exploits, but that's probably it.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: PhantomZero on July 26, 2011, 11:12:15 pm
To be honest, splitting the communities would also solve the overcrowding problem.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Jambi on July 26, 2011, 11:15:17 pm
Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on July 26, 2011, 06:18:16 pm
Hey Olwen...
 :mrgreen: Sup?  :mrgreen:

Woaw, im happy for you man. You got something to feel big about.

But in truth. Its not your idea

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,11609.135.html

Its basicly a sum of idea's people already came up with.

Shouldnt try take credit for it.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 26, 2011, 11:24:44 pm
Quote from: Jambi on July 26, 2011, 11:15:17 pm
Woaw, im happy for you man. You got something to feel big about.

But in truth. Its not your idea

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,11609.135.html

Its basicly a sum of idea's people already came up with.

Shouldnt try take credit for it.

Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on July 26, 2011, 11:14:01 pm
Eh, it was a pick-and-choose of several ideas put into one and small modifications, I agree not that terribly original. I mainly put it together because I was "cherry-picking" what parts I liked and did not like so I could present it all at once, and made it a pretty colour and a new thread for it so people could see it instead of having to trudge through this entire wearysome thread.

Secondly, might I point out that I do not have an ego boosted, as chadz pointed out in his post that (paraphrasing here) something similar was already under consideration. The "somehting similar" shows that the exact "idea" was not taken, and the "already under consideration" bit showed that it had nothing to do with me...

Where did I say I was getting an Ego boost?  :rolleyes: I already feel good about some aspects of myself regardless of what happens on the internet, and I did not do anythign about "An oppertunity to suck chadz is *&^#." as we are most assuredly not butt buddies (to put it in South Park terms). Have you missed perhaps all the times I have antagonized the devs during my two month spree of idiotic over-the-top trolling that occured a bit ago that netted me this shweet custom title?

Good sir, I do believe you have not the faintest clue what is going through my head, what with the assumption that I was under an Ego Boost and feeling good about myself for blah blah blah blah blah  :lol:

What I was feeling when I posted that was just amusement.

Please, pray tell, what else am I thinking or feeling? I would love to know what else you can invent for me  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Complete fail on reading what I said dude...

Strictly speaking the exact details of this "thread" are unique enough that it is my idea in the sense that this is my thread. However, I already Freely pointed out that this was just a summary of the "best" parts of other people's ideas that I liked...
 :rolleyes:

Stop reading so much into what I type. I am not taking credit for anything besides a few-tongue-in-cheek statements that you should be familiar enough with given the time you have spent on these boards with me. This was not 100% original, nor is it meant to be... I started a new topic because I did not take someone's idea wholesale, and instead borrowed and put together a bunch of people's ideas and slightly modified, and then created a new topic WITH A POLL to see how specifically people reacted and thought of it.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: dodnet on July 26, 2011, 11:29:37 pm
I think ToD is smart enough to know it wasnt his idea alone.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 26, 2011, 11:32:33 pm
Quote from: dodnet on July 26, 2011, 11:29:37 pm
I think ToD is smart enough to know it wasnt his idea alone.

I am inclined to agree.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Different on July 27, 2011, 12:06:46 am
Well, actually a little sidenote that others started with ideas and you collected all to one big would be nice :lol:

but meh, everyone that reads forums attentive knows that he collected the ideas and made a possible solution with his opinion
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 27, 2011, 12:10:11 am
I shall include a disclaimer just for Jambi.


EDIT done.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Earthdforce on July 27, 2011, 12:38:40 am
Uhh..who started abbreviating your name, Tears?
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 27, 2011, 12:47:37 am
Quote from: Earthdforce on July 27, 2011, 12:38:40 am
Uhh..who started abbreviating your name, Tears?

I have not the faintest idea who was first :/
cmp was the first on IRC but as for the first ever, I forgot.

Someone on TWC...
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Darkkarma on July 27, 2011, 01:26:57 am
Quote from: PhantomZero on July 26, 2011, 11:12:15 pm
To be honest, splitting the communities would also solve the overcrowding problem.

The Goon masterrace would zerg the NA map into the ground
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Matey on July 27, 2011, 07:28:16 am
i dont see how this fixes it... there is absolutely nothing stopping eu clans running to the other half of the map and na clans doing the same. and if its just a line down the middle for where people spawn in randomly... the middle will be a cluster fuck at the start, but you can bet alliances that formed to protect NA or EU interests will still form and probably try to pick off any weaker factions of the opposite side. if all na had started in the east and all eu in the west of this strat... it would still look EXACTLY the same.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: chadz on July 27, 2011, 07:34:17 am
The difference is that travelling across the border means you have to fight on enemy servers, no matter the attacker/defender.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: tankmen on July 27, 2011, 07:39:57 am
Quote from: chadz on July 27, 2011, 07:34:17 am
The difference is that travelling across the border means you have to fight on enemy servers, no matter the attacker/defender.
thats what i had been hoping
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Matey on July 27, 2011, 07:44:11 am
Quote from: chadz on July 27, 2011, 07:34:17 am
The difference is that travelling across the border means you have to fight on enemy servers, no matter the attacker/defender.

now that, will make a difference.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: [ptx] on July 27, 2011, 09:17:46 am
Banning all of NA would be so much easier  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Darkkarma on July 27, 2011, 10:06:49 am
Quote from: [ptx] on July 27, 2011, 09:17:46 am
Banning all of NA would be so much easier  :rolleyes:

Then Europeans would be divided and not like one another.


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Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Varyag on July 28, 2011, 05:00:46 pm
If the distance between NA and EU halves of the map would be significant, there would be another difference called logistics issues. Like in the old times of New World conquest, it took ages to bring reinforcements from Europe to America, same thing will happen with taking troops from EU side to NA side. I like it.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Sir_Ironlake on July 28, 2011, 07:24:31 pm
This is not the best of ideas and heres why...

it does nothing to solve the actualy issue, just makes it somewhat less common by putting ppl on the other side of  the map. But soon enough, the issue will be back.


Problem isnt in having a disadvantage, its that battles of ~ping 200 v 50 are NOT FUN, their are tedious, unchallanging (no chance in melee) etc. etc.

And in addition, little is gained by having a single strategus, because there are plenty of players (so having more isnt better, its same) AND there is no competition between NA and EU clans cause they simply dont know eachother.

Bottom line: Double the servers, twice the fun
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Magikarp on July 28, 2011, 07:31:04 pm
In real life, theres an ocean keeping the two continents from each other. What the devs are trying to do here, is use up all their resources to build a bridge between them so people can meet up at the middle and get their cookies. Why not just give them a cookie house on each side of the world?

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Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 28, 2011, 08:18:39 pm
Quote from: Magikarp on July 28, 2011, 07:31:04 pm
In real life, theres an ocean keeping the two continents from each other. What the devs are trying to do here, is use up all their resources to build a bridge between them so people can meet up at the middle and get their cookies. Why not just give them a cookie house on each side of the world?

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Because I only have my cookies and not theirs which are harder for me to take, thus their cookies must be better then my cookies, so I want their cookies...

Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Glyph on July 28, 2011, 10:03:01 pm
your a cute bitch and it's a wonderfull idea! can't deside which to choose!!!
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Shpongled on July 29, 2011, 05:52:01 pm
+1. Like it. Would hate for there to be seperate strategi.

edit: Oh Jambi, ah lubs you man.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 29, 2011, 09:57:17 pm
Random names i came up with (im writing a book, so i have a vast imagination)

Villages:
Ragyl
Ukale
Makg
Ioape
Nhaw
Pokil
Bauewd
Nuahve
Hirre

Castles:
Huaroa Castle
Moawde Castle
Eageanea Castle
Poanv Castle
Loapaf Castle

Towns:
Oirakicka
Polvaritge
Feirnate
Loacktae

Just some random ass ideas.
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Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Noctivagant on July 30, 2011, 07:38:46 am
Dunno how I'm gonna let BRD go to NA server, I'm sorta used to them. I hope game doesn't get too boring....wait a sec...nop HRE gonna be there. Sweet.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Cepeshi on July 30, 2011, 07:54:34 am
Quote from: Noctivagant on July 30, 2011, 07:38:46 am
Dunno how I'm gonna let BRD go to NA server, I'm sorta used to them. I hope game doesn't get too boring....wait a sec...nop HRE gonna be there. Sweet.

lol :D you, sir, just made my day
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: chadz on July 31, 2011, 10:17:37 am
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Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Christo on July 31, 2011, 10:25:58 am
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 10:17:37 am
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I laughed.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Bjord on July 31, 2011, 10:59:27 am
Lol @chadz  :lol: Yurop!

If I called the shots I would opt for a separation of the two communities in Strategus. As Ironlake already stated, the current situation will not be resolved by just scooting all NA and EU to different sides of Strat. It might worm temporarily, but the same fundamental problem still remains. When people cross this "border" - and people eventually will, they will be forced to fight under frustrating conditions. Frankly, there are none who enjoys fighting with 200+ ping, not NA not EU. If there is then you're a charmed few.

Also, no one likes fighting 4 AM in the morning. People have work and school, it's just not fair that to successfully establish a faction you have to be up on your toes 24/7. I'm sure there are some who are willing to do this, but majority of people cannot fight at these times. It's alienating Strategus from the majority of players. The most ideal solution would be to limit the time in which battles can take place. 1 AM should be the latest time allowed, weekdays 2 or 3 AM even. 

Granted, this would also hinder the rate at which Strategus progresses, but in my opinion this is a low price to pay to make Strategus more friendly to new players and casual gamers alike. As the lead dev, chadz, it would be advisable to aim for a more friendly and approachable Strategus so that you can get as much feedback as possible and as much spread as possible. At least, this would be my aim. I don't see how it's unreasonable.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Belatu on July 31, 2011, 11:33:43 am
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 10:17:37 am
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bu-bu-bu.... but this is... just.... brilliant!  :shock:
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: tankmen on July 31, 2011, 11:52:46 am
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 10:17:37 am
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wait a tick.... we got all the durka durka land, while you have the rich fertile grass land of the horse lords! bullshit!


on a serious note, i expect a mirror of strategus, so basically we will be flipped, as in if i left from Kulum(NA) and went across the sea id arrive at Kulum(EU).
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Darkkarma on July 31, 2011, 03:34:36 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 10:17:37 am
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Dibs on the only lush green lands in all of NA, Jelkala.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 31, 2011, 05:10:39 pm
From this day forward I shall call it yurop.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Dehitay on July 31, 2011, 07:26:14 pm
Quote from: Sir_Ironlake on July 28, 2011, 07:24:31 pm
This is not the best of ideas and heres why...

it does nothing to solve the actualy issue, just makes it somewhat less common by putting ppl on the other side of  the map. But soon enough, the issue will be back.

Problem isnt in having a disadvantage, its that battles of ~ping 200 v 50 are NOT FUN, their are tedious, unchallanging (no chance in melee) etc. etc.
This gets solved by the border line that determines which server a battle gets hosted on. NA can just stay on their side of the line to fight on NA servers. EU can do the same. All it requires is a little common sense.

Quote from: Sir_Ironlake on July 28, 2011, 07:24:31 pm
there is no competition between NA and EU clans cause they simply dont know eachother.
This is so freaking wrong, I want to jam my hand through the internet and smack you for even writing it
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Earthdforce on July 31, 2011, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 10:17:37 am
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Trololo...I hope.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Keshian on July 31, 2011, 07:35:19 pm
Yeh, that would be funny chadz.  Of course having 200 people per village obviously won't help on the NA side.  we seriously need more room for everyone.  3x as many players as old strat on same map = fail.

Did anyone else notice yurop got 12 cities, NA got 8 cities???  We have almost the same number of players.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: chadz on July 31, 2011, 07:55:45 pm
2680 players have their server set to EU,
772 have their server set to NA.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: ManOfWar on July 31, 2011, 08:11:40 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 07:55:45 pm
2680 players have their server set to EU,
772 have their server set to NA.

aw god dammit
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: ShinySpoons on July 31, 2011, 09:42:55 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 07:55:45 pm
2680 players have their server set to EU,
772 have their server set to NA.

I dont actually know this...but if default server settings is eu it could be just a lot of the newish guys don't know they can change that as an option.

I am of the opinion though that eu has a bigger crpg playerbase and needs more room, just how much more can be debated
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Banok on July 31, 2011, 09:47:21 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 31, 2011, 07:55:45 pm
2680 players have their server set to EU,
772 have their server set to NA.

defaultitis
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Cepeshi on July 31, 2011, 10:31:12 pm
Quote from: Banok on July 31, 2011, 09:47:21 pm
defaultitis

yanks too stupid to check and change or what?

edit: on more serious note, i love ya guys <3
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: okiN on August 01, 2011, 04:27:09 pm
Quote from: Keshian on July 31, 2011, 07:35:19 pm
Did anyone else notice yurop got 12 cities, NA got 8 cities??? 

13 and 9, actually.

Quote from: Keshian on July 31, 2011, 07:35:19 pm
We have almost the same number of players.

Aren't you cute.

Quote from: ShinySpoons on July 31, 2011, 09:42:55 pm
I dont actually know this...but if default server settings is eu it could be just a lot of the newish guys don't know they can change that as an option.

I am of the opinion though that eu has a bigger crpg playerbase and needs more room, just how much more can be debated

Yeah, those numbers might be a little skewed, but there's definitely a pretty big difference. chadz's suggestion actually seems like a pretty good starting point, in terms of ratio; might be a bit too much for NA, but we'll see. Just need a bigger map and more fiefs overall, by maybe 100% and 75%, respectively.
Title: Re: Solution to EU and NA hating each other for goofy battle times
Post by: Glyph on August 01, 2011, 04:34:10 pm
EU needs server 1 to be 150 people