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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Duke Daniel Milutin on July 24, 2011, 08:41:38 pm
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Give wooden weapons like hafted blade or club hit points like shields, so people who use them need a secondary weapon like it was IRL
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-1 because of balance issues.
There is only little room for realism in c-rpg.
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Give wooden weapons like hafted blade or club hit points like shields, so people who use them need a secondary weapon like it was IRL
I don't see how this would make the game more enjoyable.
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Make all weapons breakable and disarmable :)
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yea thats cool ur middle of a fight ur wep breaks.
that would fuck this game up
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Make metal weapons bendable like it was irl.
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Make it to where you die once, you can never fight again just like in real life
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Make it to where you die once, you can never fight again just like in real life
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Make it to where you die once, you can never fight again just like in real life
Or just make the game have realistic combat physics and allow players to fight again and again like they are in the Valhalla Matrix.
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Make it so you had to stop every 30 seconds to crap yourself from the dysentery soldiers had like in real life.
Oh ya, if you did some research before you made this suggestion, you would see that polearms, clubs, and other weapons with wood were pretty solid. Swords hacking through polearms were mostly just myths and legends. Your average long sword would not be able to snap a poleaxe in half.
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Make it so you had to stop every 30 seconds to crap yourself from the dysentery soldiers had like in real life.
Oh ya, if you did some research before you made this suggestion, you would see that polearms, clubs, and other weapons with wood were pretty solid. Swords hacking through polearms were mostly just myths and legends. Your average long sword would not be able to snap a poleaxe in half.
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Just watch the duel trailer for Shogun 2 when a samurai breaks a polearm weapon with his sword
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Just watch the duel trailer for Shogun 2
This is best historical source, indeed
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Make it so you had to stop every 30 seconds to crap yourself from the dysentery soldiers had like in real life.
possible application to strategus.
Oh ya, if you did some research before you made this suggestion, you would see that polearms, clubs, and other weapons with wood were pretty solid. Swords hacking through polearms were mostly just myths and legends. Your average long sword would not be able to snap a poleaxe in half.
Cool, then the breakage wouldn't happen too often, but the possibility would still increase the complexity and strategy of the game.
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This is best historical source, indeed
Fuck those sites and real life tests man, Video games are the BEST historical sources and yep its true that japanese people carried a very unbalanced 3x the size of themselfs and were able to use it on one hand, thats true as well, crappy japanese video games told me THAT!
HISTORICAL!
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No. Wooden weapons are under rated. You have to remember that the most famous duel irl was a wooden stick vs. nodachi. The stick won.
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Just watch the duel trailer for Shogun 2 when a samurai breaks a polearm weapon with his sword
Will people on these forums stop using movies from hollywood or video games as historical references. When I went through college I was surprised how many of you god damned idiots apparently went through school and missed this little thing called FICTION IS NOT REAL LIFE. KNOCK IT OFF.
Congratulations, someone made a claim that "Historically in real life you could not do this" and your retort is "dot dot dot um... did you miss this one FICTIONAL MOVIE where it happened? I think it is possible bro..."
This is honestly, no joke, the stupidest thing I have EVER read on the c-RPG forums... Seriously. Calling you out on that...
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This thread made me so happy! Thanks for all the laughs :D
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Swords hacking through polearms were mostly just myths and legends.
Excuse me? You know what the purpose of the zweihänder was? To cut a way into pikewall of the enemy to let their own infantry engage.
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(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/143/finalfantasymegahugeswo.jpg/)
This is an evidence, that steel swords must be breakable too.
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Make it so in the middle of a fight theres a chance you have to shit/piss real bad.
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Make it so in the middle of a fight theres a chance you have to shit/piss real bad.
That would actually be really fun. Could also force those archers who's running away to actually stop. If not they would shit themselves, like the cowards they are, and move REALLY slowly or so the others can come and kill them.
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Oh ya, if you did some research before you made this suggestion, you would see that polearms, clubs, and other weapons with wood were pretty solid. Swords hacking through polearms were mostly just myths and legends. Your average long sword would not be able to snap a poleaxe in half.
lol sure they were big buddy, actually in history many swiss/german/italian mercenaries preferred twohand greatswords, my swiss ancestors did I know that for a fact, and they loved polearms too but the greatsword was a good weapon for attacking pike formations, because guess what IRL that wood is actually pretty worthless vs a cutting edge
I'd be glad to have you hold as strong a piece of wood you can find over your head while I strike it with a axe, lets see how long that lasts
because lumberjacks actually don't cut down trees, they just yell "TIMBERRR" and they fall over
"The Italian humanist historian Paulus Jovius writing in the early 1500s also described the two-hand great sword as being used by Swiss soldiers to chop the shafts of pikes at the battle of Fornovo in 1495"
(taken from http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html, they got it from this thing called history, but don't worry we don't use it here so keep lying to yourself)
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lol sure they were big buddy, actually in history many swiss/german/italian mercenaries preferred twohand greatswords, my swiss ancestors did I know that for a fact, and they loved polearms too but the greatsword was a good weapon for attacking pike formations, because guess what IRL that wood is actually pretty worthless vs a cutting edge
I'd be glad to have you hold as strong a piece of wood you can find over your head while I strike it with a axe, lets see how long that lasts
because lumberjacks actually don't cut down trees, they just yell "TIMBERRR" and they fall over
"The Italian humanist historian Paulus Jovius writing in the early 1500s also described the two-hand great sword as being used by Swiss soldiers to chop the shafts of pikes at the battle of Fornovo in 1495"
(taken from http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html, they got it from this thing called history, but don't worry we don't use it here so keep lying to yourself)
You may end up being surprised how many people parry rather than block in battles. Cutting edges are a lot less effective when they're not hitting a sturdy target dead on. I'd be willing to bet with the sharpest sword you could find, you wouldn't be able to cut through a bostaff of somebody even at my unskilled level of using it
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Excuse me? You know what the purpose of the zweihänder was? To cut a way into pikewall of the enemy to let their own infantry engage.
zweihander (literally: two hander) mostly were not used solely against pikes. I'm familiar with the mercenary squad you are referring to though, but they are known solely for the fact that this kind of tactic/ability was incredibly rare.
lol sure they were big buddy, actually in history many swiss/german/italian mercenaries preferred twohand greatswords, my swiss ancestors did I know that for a fact, and they loved polearms too but the greatsword was a good weapon for attacking pike formations, because guess what IRL that wood is actually pretty worthless vs a cutting edge
First off, not many, groups that could lop off a pike were very few and far between. Secondly: it depends on the wood. Some of you posters are under the impression that wood was as easy to cut as paper. This is treated, very dense wood.
I'd be glad to have you hold as strong a piece of wood you can find over your head while I strike it with a axe, lets see how long that lasts
Again, further ignorance. It was very rare that you would stop a blade dead with your own weapon. This would be absolutely exhausting, and technically very inefficient. A proper block deflected the enemy's blow rather than stop it. This is a concept that martial artists all over the world have all unilaterally discovered and agree upon.
because lumberjacks actually don't cut down trees, they just yell "TIMBERRR" and they fall over
Again, this is untreated wood. Additionally, lumberjacks don't cut down trees with swords.
"The Italian humanist historian Paulus Jovius writing in the early 1500s also described the two-hand great sword as being used by Swiss soldiers to chop the shafts of pikes at the battle of Fornovo in 1495"
As previously mentioned, Paolo Givio makes note of the brigade because the tactic is very unusual.
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thus really real wood hafted weapon blocks were much closer to ingame "chamber blocks" so we should remove blocks from polearms, as the way they are used to block is more akin to a sword block or blocking with a metal weapon
because like seaweed said you couldn't actually just hold a wooden stick over your head and block anything, now maybe a bar mace but definitely not the wooden weapons we do in the game
sounds like a good fix for polearms, remove most blocks as they are unrealistic, chamber like the pro's u are
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you're such a bad trollobyist
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It is debatable whether the zweihanders were actually used in chopping pikes or merely used to push them aside and make way through them. If this was even remotely possible is because the very long pikes had the lightest poles of the polearms - you simply cannot hold forward a 4-5 meter pole if it is heavy. The torque will tire you in minutes if not less. Spears, halberds and long axes had a much thicker pole made of heavier, much harder, treated wood. Even if braced and hit perfectly with an axe these will still be a real challenge to chop in one go. This is not like splitting firewood, it goes against the fibers.
Extended damage did slowly chip away and weaken the wooden poles and it is very likely that they were replaced after the battle way before being in any danger of snapping. On top of everything, many polearms had extended metal bracers to the head that protected the wood from being damaged at all, thus saving the trouble of replacing them after battle.
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Just an added comment:
Zweihanders, like longbows are a stuff of myth more than reality. These were not secret weapons nor of unique technology. The simple fact that they were used by few armies and never got a widespread use should make one careful when considering their true effectiveness. People were not that dumb back then - if they saw an effective weapon and could, they would adopt it.
Care to guess why nobody adopted the Goedendag even though the Flems got good mileage out of it?
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Okay guys, back on topic.
The OPer is a moron.
bam. Back on track.
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Firstly, oak or other strong woods were commonly used to weapon handles, secondly I just want to insert into this terrible topic that a lot of weapons had metal strips on the outside of the pole to reinforce.
Thirdly... People were tought to not block the axe head but to block the axe from it's own handle... This makes sense for wooden weapons and even metal swords (small chips are not cool yo).
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It is debatable whether the zweihanders were actually used in chopping pikes or merely used to push them aside and make way through them. If this was even remotely possible is because the very long pikes had the lightest poles of the polearms - you simply cannot hold forward a 4-5 meter pole if it is heavy. The torque will tire you in minutes if not less. Spears, halberds and long axes had a much thicker pole made of heavier, much harder, treated wood. Even if braced and hit perfectly with an axe these will still be a real challenge to chop in one go. This is not like splitting firewood, it goes against the fibers.
Extended damage did slowly chip away and weaken the wooden poles and it is very likely that they were replaced after the battle way before being in any danger of snapping. On top of everything, many polearms had extended metal bracers to the head that protected the wood from being damaged at all, thus saving the trouble of replacing them after battle.
Additionally, what I believe was probably more likely during the Italian Wars "pike-hewing" brigades was that a soldier knocked a pike tip to the ground, trapping the hastily made weapon, and then used leverage and gravity to snap the tip off the pike. I doubt that the looping of the pike's point was done in a Hollywood-esque fashion that some people are envisioning.
You bring up another good point: weapons were damaged over time... much like our upkeep system now.