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Title: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 08:19:59 am
Im looking for the best two-handed weapon on the entire list, (i have enough money to buy 1 and a third of a flamberge) so im looking for the best weapon, with the most well rounded damage, reach, and speed. I hear danish is good but im wondering about the highlander claymore.... I also like weapons that break shields easily. So pretty much tell me what weapon you think is best and explain why, and then ile decide.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Punisher on January 16, 2011, 11:13:49 am
Katana is the best atm, if you have 15+ agility all you have to do is spam left-right swings and slice your enemies one after the other.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Ninja_Totoro on January 16, 2011, 11:47:13 am
Katana is the best atm, if you have 15+ agility all you have to do is become great at blocking and ignore all the retards who think that feinting is spam.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Magikarp on January 16, 2011, 11:49:58 am
Katana is only good when you got a lot of athletics to close in on your opponent.

I suggest either going German Greatsword or Highland Claymore.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Babelfish on January 16, 2011, 12:02:06 pm
German Greatsword hands down.

It got good reach, speed and awesome damage.

It was the best sword pre-patch and its still the best sword. (30 pierce is just too good to pass)

(also Great Sword is also a very decent alternative. 1 more speed then GG, but 3 less reach and 1 less swing damage)
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Kalam on January 16, 2011, 12:07:26 pm
Claymore. Animations are faster than they appear on the stats page.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Teeth on January 16, 2011, 12:11:04 pm
I'm really fond of the Nodachi, it does very good damage, has longer range than GG and requires only 11 strength. If you want to go high agi its a very good sword. Of course you miss the thrust attack. I'm not the best manual blocker but I get k/ds of 3 with it, just by overheading people already in a fight with one shot. Can't wat till I get it heirloomed.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 06:20:04 pm
I only have 9 agility, and thats all im gonna put in it. I have 15 str and im gonna build on that, so im not sure if i would like a weapon that needs alot of agility to work properly, Im rather fond of the highlander claymore and german greatsword, now. But what has the best all rounded, reach and speed, but alot of damage? (i think claymore but, maybe the german) Also, should I sell my great long axe (loads of people died because of it), or my elite scimitar and kite shield?
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Grey on January 16, 2011, 06:24:34 pm
FAIL: 2h build is speed build, NOT str. Retire your char and try again, for 2h build, get strengh to the multiple of 3 above your choice sword (eg, for nodachi, get 12 str). And then all other points into agility. If you build strengh, you will die to: Other 2h, throwers, xbows, archers, ninjas, polearms, cav. So, everyone. But you go ahead and build strengh, Im sure you know what your doing  :lol:
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Miley on January 16, 2011, 06:28:04 pm
You can choose between the German Greatsword and the Danish Greatsword depending on which one's stats you like better.

Katana is also a good chioce if you like fast weapons. It's very short, though.

Morningstar is also a good choice; it's fast and has a bonus against shields,  but it's unbalanced.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: EponiCo on January 16, 2011, 06:30:46 pm
BS, don't retire you need 15 str for the swords anyway... 9agi is extremely low though, I think all the good 2h have at least 18.
If you are going for STR what you need most is reach and speed imo, so Claymore isn't the best option.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Diomedes on January 16, 2011, 07:14:39 pm
Unless you're using a crushthrough weapon follow Grey's advice.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Zanthos on January 16, 2011, 07:30:20 pm
FAIL: 2h build is speed build, NOT str. Retire your char and try again, for 2h build, get strengh to the multiple of 3 above your choice sword (eg, for nodachi, get 12 str). And then all other points into agility. If you build strengh, you will die to: Other 2h, throwers, xbows, archers, ninjas, polearms, cav. So, everyone. But you go ahead and build strengh, Im sure you know what your doing  :lol:

You can go pure strength build if you want... but I'm not going to really recommend it to everyone. I have 12 agility and sometimes get frustrated by it, but I think I do pretty well with it. Then again, I also use a weapon that has 90 speed so it cripples the speed even more.

If you use a great maul, you'll be dreadfully slow, but also crush through anyone's block you hit and cause some damage. Just keep in mind, if you go with a much slower swing build, you will have to rely very heavily in situational awareness and manual blocking to keep yourself alive. It is a whole diff ballgame from an AGI or balanced build.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on January 16, 2011, 08:56:10 pm
I don't believe there is one best sword. On paper, the german greatsword seems awesome and does indeed work well. However, there are two issues with how I play that make using that sword less effective. First, I am a fairly slow strength build(mistake!) so if I miss, I am fucked. Second, I always tend to hug my opponents and with the longer swords, you need to take a step back. I have a hard time doing that.

So, I tried different weapons since I got nothing else to spend my cash on and I find a morningstar to be working pretty well for me. Its faster and longer than a great maul, which is so damn short and slow. But its short enough that I can still hug my opponent and be effective with it. Since I have stength and iron flesh, a morningstar works best for my style. Get in their face and smash their shields. You're too slow for much else. I just smash and smash til I get overwhelmed or arrowed to death.

But it all depends on your style of play. If you can step back and dance and are good with manual blocking, get the german sword or whatever is longer and feels right to you.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Visus on January 16, 2011, 09:06:12 pm
I've gone through basically the entire 2h market in my search for a great 2h along with you and found that my favorites happen to be the heavy bastard sword/ bar mace.  The heavy bastard is just so fast with some agility (albeit less than the Katana) but still has the ability to stab which I think is invulnerable. The bar mace is so slow it makes me cry sometimes, but it deals a crapload of damage per hit, and that knockdown is very useful. Both of these weapons are relatively cheap which lets you equip good-great armor and still make money unlike the very expensive high tier swords.
I never really liked the Claymore or 2h Sword or the higher priced and tiered swords, I found them too slow for fighting off 1h or Katanas. Then again, I haven't tried the German or Zwiehander... I'll probably get on that next week. Gotta love making money.  :D
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Casimir on January 16, 2011, 09:09:51 pm
FAIL: 2h build is speed build, NOT str. Retire your char and try again, for 2h build, get strengh to the multiple of 3 above your choice sword (eg, for nodachi, get 12 str). And then all other points into agility. If you build strengh, you will die to: Other 2h, throwers, xbows, archers, ninjas, polearms, cav. So, everyone. But you go ahead and build strengh, Im sure you know what your doing  :lol:

Another completely misinformed post about str builds.


Clearly you are yet to meet Slegg, He's pure Str 2hr using a bar mace and he gets very good K:Ds
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Babelfish on January 16, 2011, 09:16:47 pm
Another completely misinformed post about str builds.


Clearly you are yet to meet Slegg, He's pure Str 2hr using a bar mace and he gets very good K:Ds

Thing is, he wants to use swords. Strength builds generally favors the crush-through weapons :)
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Banok on January 16, 2011, 09:18:44 pm
katana is overated. I have 8 althletics and people with long weapons can still backpeddle dodge my attacks.

people use katana for 2 reasons
1. its cool
2. its good secondary weap if you have low wpf because its fast.
3. duel servers.

best 2h sword is german or danish, hands down now because flamberge only have 152 length on right swings only.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 09:20:38 pm
Thing is, he wants to use swords. Strength builds generally favors the crush-through weapons :)

I said 2-hander  :mrgreen: not 2 hander sword, any 2 hander will do.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Babelfish on January 16, 2011, 09:21:32 pm
I said 2-hander  :mrgreen: not 2 hander sword, any 2 hander will do.

Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)

Make up your mind ;<
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Banok on January 16, 2011, 09:21:49 pm
says in OP "Best 2 handed sword?"

swords are weak vs shield users.

Another completely misinformed post about str builds.


Clearly you are yet to meet Slegg, He's pure Str 2hr using a bar mace and he gets very good K:Ds

think you'll find slegg totally copied me actually :/

I just got bored of owning so hard that I stopped playing that character.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 09:24:23 pm
says in OP "Best 2 handed sword?"

swords are weak vs shield users.



ok, then any good 2-handed weapons?

Here are my stats if you need them-

Strength   16   
Agility   9   


One Handed   89   
Two Handed   92   
Polearm   1   
Archery   1   
Crossbow   1   
Throwing   1   

Ironflesh   5   
Power Strike   5   
Shield   1   
Athletics   3   
Riding   0   
Horse Archery   0   
Power Draw   0   
Power Throw   0   
Weapon master *   3

Sorry for confusion, i ment to say the best 2 handed weapon.

(also i know for a fact a 2 hander strenght build works, ever met WallaceSodemizedyork? he has a 2 handed cleaver and uses pure strenght)
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: SquishMitten on January 16, 2011, 09:30:51 pm
really depends how you like to fight
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 09:32:45 pm
really depends how you like to fight

I like spamming, I dont manuel very well, but im ok at it i usualy block 2/3 the attacks.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed sword? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Cannibal on January 16, 2011, 09:35:53 pm
I only have 9 agility, and thats all im gonna put in it. I have 15 str and im gonna build on that, so im not sure if i would like a weapon that needs alot of agility to work properly, Im rather fond of the highlander claymore and german greatsword, now. But what has the best all rounded, reach and speed, but alot of damage? (i think claymore but, maybe the german) Also, should I sell my great long axe (loads of people died because of it), or my elite scimitar and kite shield?

The first character I made when I first started playing c-rpg was along the same lines. I had the similar idea that for a melee monster you needed high str... boy was I wrong. Sure, I would blast shields and people apart but I was slow as fuck and hence a fairly easy target outside of groups goin solo.

So, I would strongly suggest you don't go over 16 str with that character as that's all you'll need for any armor/weps you're going to wear unless you want a Flamberge which is 18 str.

Every 3 agility points gives you an option of wep master and you want wep master as high as you can get it for the WPF points it grants. Every weapon you choose you're going to need WPF to be effective. Be it 1h 2h/pa archery or throwing.

I generally only get as much STR as I need for my item requirements which isn't too low anyway due to heavy STR req. on 2h weps.


For my set-up, I really enjoy the German Greatsword and Great-Maul. I find I can swing my maul quick enough while side stepping to get enough kills while also still have enough STR to break through parries and knock bitches down.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Grey on January 16, 2011, 10:31:30 pm
I like spamming, I dont manuel very well, but im ok at it i usualy block 2/3 the attacks.

You cant manual block at all New Wind, but you do teamhit a lot.......


I wasnt gonna share the secret, but FAR and AWAY the best of all 2h weapons are: Maul (yes the cheap wooden hammer) and Spiked Mace (Crushthrough, knockdown, superspeed, looks good)

Heavy bastard and longsword are both very good swords:

GREATSWORDS: All swords bigger than longsword are GREAT, if you like being considered an easykill. So many samurais now with nodachi, and loads of greatswords around: TOO SLOW: I kill them with my 50 wpf in 2h on my archer, let alone on my dedicated 2h: Katana, either bastard, longsword, spiked mace: All of these dismantle the greatswords, 2h axe users.

So if you cant be fastest, get crushthrough, its SO hard for someone who blocks by instinc to NOT just put the overhead block up, its just a natural movement.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: zagibu on January 16, 2011, 10:46:52 pm
Grey is so OP, god created the universe just so he could be blown away by Grey's OPness.

I recommend long iron mace. Loom it and love it. Maybe also get a great sword for lightly armored foes.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Braeden on January 16, 2011, 11:01:38 pm
What I would recommend is going to the duel server when it is busy and just picking up weapons off the ground.  Eventually you'll find something you like.

Of course, you should also begin amassing an amazing collection of weapons with new increased income.

Oh, and strength builds are good, but you will need to learn how to block.  Again, duel server it up.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Casimir on January 17, 2011, 12:12:16 am
The fact that Slegg is Templar_Daymun clearly alludes you, all though depending on how long you've been around Mr. original it may affect whether you recognise that name...
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Rubicon on January 17, 2011, 05:36:09 am
Anyway, all 2h are viable once they are heirloomed properly
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 17, 2011, 02:17:15 pm
Im looking for the best two-handed weapon on the entire list, (i have enough money to buy 1 and a third of a flamberge) so im looking for the best weapon, with the most well rounded damage, reach, and speed. I hear danish is good but im wondering about the highlander claymore.... I also like weapons that break shields easily. So pretty much tell me what weapon you think is best and explain why, and then ile decide.

Oh.. Thats a hard one. Depends on many things...
What are you stats / what are you aiming at when you hit lvl 31?
How important is for the weapon to break shields?
Are you good at manual blocking?

I have used every ( almost ) 2 hand weapon, and for my "build" - Heavy Bastard Sword and Long Sword are the ultimate weapons.
I have only 15 Agility, so bigger weapons are waa-a-ay too slow. Besides, I am not a big fan of backpedal spam ( at least i try not to when possible, hehe ), so weapons length is actually a disadvantage for me.
If you want to break shields, and 1-hit kill most of your enemies, while your manual blocking is not exactly perfect - take a Great Bardiche. Awesome weapon.
At this point i have 3-4 weapons in my arsenal ( only use one at a time though ): Heavy Bastard/Longsword, Great Maul, Great Bardiche.
Want to spam? Take Nodachi, spammer's weapon of choice. Swing this bitch from left to right, and feel how everyone hates you.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Lt_Anders on January 17, 2011, 05:40:13 pm
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For 2h weapons, I usually use a Great axe. I hate shield users, period. Otherwise I'd use any sword. The shorter swords have lower damage, but faster speed, while the larger swords are slow, but hit powerfully and have higher range. I also pick up the weapons others drop in game(katana, nodachi claymore, etc...) Each 2h is good, but it all depends on play style. If you are going balanced, I'd say a Longsword or bastard sword(about equal speed v dmg). Higher agility would be katana, or a great sword.(Speed vs Dmg). Heavy str build, Buy a  blunt weapon: Bar Mace or Maul or Morningstar.
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That should give you enough options to figure out what you would like.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: AirPhforce on January 17, 2011, 11:19:26 pm
I hate people that block, shields or manual. So I heirloomed a great maul.

12 agi, weapon master and athletics at 4. Rest into ironflesh and power strike. Wear medium armor (45-50) and a good helm.

I have yet to see anyone successfully block a single attack.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Punisher on January 17, 2011, 11:30:41 pm
With the ridiculous range on the great maul you are useless outside clusterfucks, people can just backpaddle while swinging and there is nothing you can do.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 17, 2011, 11:48:35 pm
I got myself a bar mace, and with the money left over a coat of plates, with 5000 gold to spare!! I got 2nd on my teams list with the bar mace! Thanks for your help.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: AirPhforce on January 18, 2011, 12:05:38 am
With the ridiculous range on the great maul you are useless outside clusterfucks, people can just backpaddle while swinging and there is nothing you can do.

You're right. Forcing 2 or 3 people to back up by simply raising your maul isn't good.

Oh wait
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: zagibu on January 18, 2011, 01:46:11 am
I got myself a bar mace, and with the money left over a coat of plates, with 5000 gold to spare!! I got 2nd on my teams list with the bar mace! Thanks for your help.  :mrgreen:

You had better bought a long iron mace, because the bar mace will certainly be nerfed in the next patch.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: huscarl_johnson on January 18, 2011, 01:59:07 am
OP makes a thread looking for detailed discussion on 2h weapons, people respond in earnest, and then he goes bar mace. Nice.
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Rendar1970 on January 18, 2011, 03:46:22 am
I see people keep suggestions the Heavy Bastard sword.  Any reason for this over the Longsword?

Longsword has same speed, 1 more reach, and bit more dmg, for lower weight.

Seems Longsword is a better choice.  or does it come down to cost?
Title: Re: Best 2 handed weapon? (for me, help me decide)
Post by: Gorath on January 18, 2011, 04:01:04 am
What I would recommend is going to the duel server when it is busy and just picking up weapons off the ground.  Eventually you'll find something you like.

Of course, you should also begin amassing an amazing collection of weapons with new increased income.

Oh, and strength builds are good, but you will need to learn how to block.  Again, duel server it up.

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This.  Hit up the duel servers.  You'll find Braeden and I there often (sometimes just repeat duelling each other to practice chambers and dancing, lol) and we're more than happy to spawn you some weapons if we have em and duel with you for practice.