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Title: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2011, 11:09:13 pm
So, I always wanted to try out the dark side. I tried to build one but got bored of being a peasant archer early.


Can you suggest me a War/Long build, that can bring people down?

I'm just interested in the new archery, how it plays, also thinking that it needs way more skill of "prediction" now.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: [ptx] on July 16, 2011, 11:29:23 pm
6PD, 8WM is a standard pure archer build. Leftover skill points can be put where you want em, either PS if you want to be able to actually damage people with your hammer, or athl, for easier archery.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Keshian on July 17, 2011, 12:05:33 am
Actuallu with most recent archer nerfs try 24/18 with 14 converted points, 6 wm all into archery, 8 pwrdrw, and 3 athletics.  Using longbow you will actually hit really hard and be reasonably accurate.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2011, 12:06:56 am
Thank you folks.

I shall try it ASAP.  :wink:

Okay, I'm fiddling around with the Calculators ATM.

How much WPF is required to hit something? 160?

I see that the build you suggest, has 156 WPF. Hmm, I'll use that as a starting point. Let's fiddle around.  8-)

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Here's the build I came up with.
Maybe I'm stupid for not doing 6 athl, but as a longtime melee player, I'd hate running away all the time,
so I balanced it out between PS/ATH. So I could do something up close, maybe.

Also, is 7PD Enough, or 8 would be essential?
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 17, 2011, 03:43:07 am
Quote from: Keshian on July 17, 2011, 12:05:33 am
Actuallu with most recent archer nerfs try 24/18 with 14 converted points, 6 wm all into archery, 8 pwrdrw, and 3 athletics.  Using longbow you will actually hit really hard and be reasonably accurate.

This.
Alternatively try a 21/18 with 7PD 6 ATHL 6WM 4IF or PS.

Either build will give great results.

Personally though, 6WM is a minimum for hitting targets, though oddly withn a Rus bow I can score shots with only 5WM due to the new accuracy buff (though to be fair I use a MW Rus Bow).
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2011, 04:36:30 am
Well, I went with the Build Kesh suggested. It works well, especially when I'm not an idiot with tunnel vision.

Also, it's good to see the other side of the coin for once.

Thank you, Skip the fun! (The name is wrong, though.  :mrgreen:)
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Hisagi on July 17, 2011, 07:52:15 am
My build:

    Strength: 24
    Agility: 15
    Hit points: 59

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 0
    Athletics: 5
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 8
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 5

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 148
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1


Went 40/6 on siege with it, so something went right.

I use the Rus(War) bow mostly. But when I'm in scrims or battle with other GK I use the Horn(Strong) bow, Bodkins x2, and a langes messer.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: 22nd_Hawk_Cmdr_Harlequin on July 17, 2011, 01:58:12 pm
Siege is pretty easier than battle due to the presence of cannon fodder players that run straight with no shield up the ladders  :lol:
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Cup1d on July 17, 2011, 03:25:54 pm
Quote from: Hisagi on July 17, 2011, 07:52:15 am
My build:

    Strength: 24
    Agility: 15
    Hit points: 59

    Skills to attributes: 8

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 0
    Athletics: 5
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 8
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 5

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 148
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1


Went 40/6 on siege with it, so something went right.

I use the Rus(War) bow mostly. But when I'm in scrims or battle with other GK I use the Horn(Strong) bow, Bodkins x2, and a langes messer.

Good build for archer, good weapon choosing.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Riddaren on July 17, 2011, 03:30:46 pm
What is the actual damage difference between 6, 7 and 8PD when using a MW long bow?
And how big is the accuracy and shot speed difference between 5, 6 and 7WM?

The 18/18 build looks like the best one to me (if you want to be able to deal good damage in melee too):

18/21 53hp 3ps 7at 6pd 7wm
18/18 63hp 6ps 6at 6pd 6wm 5if
21/18 56hp 4ps 6at 7pd 6wm
24/15 59hp 5ps 5at 8pd 5wm

You could also go 21/21 3at 7pd 7wm but it feels like 3at is way to little... and you can't really kill people in melee when they catch you with 0ps.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Hisagi on July 17, 2011, 06:36:56 pm
1 extra power strike from 5 -> 6 really isnt anything worth losing power draw over.

With 15 agi (5 athletics) you're not going to outrun ninjas and people like Lurk who just hunt archers. But with the light armor you'll out run most of the community.

The only other reasonable build might have 21 str because 7 PD is working for me (Not level 30 yet). However anything less and you'll just be one of those hit once, run, hit once, run, rinse & repeat archers. Maybe killing lower armored targets every now and then but not doing crap against armor. I've had super fast archers shoot my 2hander using a tunic with mail and it just snaps right off. Doing 1/100 dmg at most lol.

So basically what it comes down to as an archer is, WM, Ath, PD, and if you want to not be useless up close, PS. 24/15 has to be my fav build as an archer due to its intense power even after all these nerfs, good accuracy, 1 shots on anything with weakish armor and less than 2-3 IF, speed, and versatility in melee. I'm not the best fighter, but I'm not the worst. And if you click that langes messer into 2hander you're in the same ballpark as most players in public matches.
Title: Re: lolcher build? (For STF alt this week.)
Post by: Okkam on July 17, 2011, 06:40:37 pm
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What is the actual damage difference between 6, 7 and 8PD when using a MW long bow?

Pre-patch it was 5 additional points of raw damage with 7 pd, and 10 points with 8 pd. (with mw bow and mw bodkins) Don't know how it works today.