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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Armois on July 15, 2011, 08:51:55 pm
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I've been playing on NA servers with my boys down in LLJK for a few months now and I keep seeing threads on issues that never seem to pop up when you are a newblette such as myself. It seems to me that Euros have to play differently or some such.
A few things I've been wondering that I'd love to have clarified:
1. Is the Bec as big a 'thing' on Euro servers as it in in NA? Becs are extremely common where I've been. Polearms and 2h dominate NA- mostly poles these days.
2. Why is the EU community so in love with the recent archery hellnerf? I want my arrow speed back, shits slow, yo.
3. Why do I see so much raeg against NA in various Strat-oriented threads? We just wanna chill out with a bowl, a beer, and some mountain blade.
I'm sure other Murican types have their own questions for EU. So tell me EU folks- what makes your crpg different from ours?
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Appart from different server locations, nothing? NA drama seems a little ridiculous, but EU has had, it's fair share as well. I don't think I've seen any hate towards NA from Strat, there wasn't much contact between NA and EU appart from some defence treaties that never ammounted to anything, unless you count LLJK getting owned then taking over all the empty IRC villages after their Pub thing.
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We have the bloody french.
Anyway I play on EU and NA servers so whatever, bec de corbin does seem more frequent there...
Now that I think about it, naked grinders are more frequent too.
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1. Is the Bec as big a 'thing' on Euro servers as it in in NA? Becs are extremely common where I've been. Polearms and 2h dominate NA- mostly poles these days.
EU used balanced builds and favors AGIL, where NA has evolved to STR bulds thus it is hard to stay out of reach of that Bec.
2. Why is the EU community so in love with the recent archery hellnerf? I want my arrow speed back, shits slow, yo.
They can't dodge for shit or have shit awareness (maybe because they max at 120 players instead of our 80? More to watch?). I score higher with archery using 184 ping then on my own turf with 50-90 ping more ofte then not and my highest archery scores were on EU.
3. Why do I see so much raeg against NA in various Strat-oriented threads? We just wanna chill out with a bowl, a beer, and some mountain blade.
NA has a bloodfeud right now, like the now-passed Merc VS Admin nonsense a bit ago but dialed up a bit further.
NA also has a lot of americans which is an aggressive loudspoken passionate culture.
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3. Why do I see so much raeg against NA in various Strat-oriented threads? We just wanna chill out with a bowl, a beer, and some mountain blade.
I don't mind NA as long as they stay the hell away from me. I'm not interested in defending my holdings at 4 AM or having to worry about playing on a ping 200 server if I want to attack somebody. Quite simply I don't think EU and NA belong on the same map.
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I'm not interested in defending my holdings at 4 AM .....
You could also use that to your advantage and attack US when it is 4am our time. that blade cuts both ways
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True enough, but I don't want either side of it. I know crap like that is integral to some games, but I believe Strategus should be more civilized. The two-continent solution sounds fine to me, but for now we're still on the same map, so we desperately need a day/night cycle defined by defenders, like server choice, to keep battle times in line.
Discussing that stuff in greater depth is for other threads, though; we're getting a little bit sidetracked here. :)
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EU used balanced builds and favors AGIL, where NA has evolved to STR bulds thus it is hard to stay out of reach of that Bec.
They can't dodge for shit or have shit awareness (maybe because they max at 120 players instead of our 80? More to watch?). I score higher with archery using 184 ping then on my own turf with 50-90 ping more ofte then not and my highest archery scores were on EU.
NA has a bloodfeud right now, like the now-passed Merc VS Admin nonsense a bit ago but dialed up a bit further.
NA also has a lot of americans which is an aggressive loudspoken passionate culture.
rofl a NA player talking about EU builds... the majority of EU builds are balanced 18/18, 21/18, 24/15.
about...
they can't dodge for shit
is false. try to shoot down some pure 2h/polearm without backup shield like shogunate, ninja, risen, grey, str, drz. go in the EU_shogunate or EU_searaiders server to face some skilled people and please don't judge euro gamers from the cannon fodder on EU_1 or the various sieges.
NA also has a lot of americans which is an aggressive loudspoken passionate culture.
we can translate this to: NA player trolling attitude about racism, politics, skill, etc. is unmatched.
ok. now the serious thing.
why you don't see admins on euro servers often? for a simple reason. trolls, glitchers, ,tkers, griefers are very few. the very rare passed ban polls are enough to deal with lamers and such.
the very first strat battle i did was in september 2010. i got banned by ecko in the first 5 minutes of battle for a TK after a lag spike.
after that, i rarely gone play on NA servers. but in the few matches i did on NA, i always found an admin on. common thing there, if an admin trolls you and you troll him back, you get kicked.
another difference. in EU servers, people mostly play and the only chat spam you see is on sieges about "LADDER!! lots at Backdoor!! GATEHOUSE!!". on NA, you can barely see the battle by the tremendous chat troll spam about einstein, the WWII, obama, the muslims, how weaboos should gtfo, and so on.
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I don't mind NA as long as they stay the hell away from me. I'm not interested in defending my holdings at 4 AM or having to worry about playing on a ping 200 server if I want to attack somebody. Quite simply I don't think EU and NA belong on the same map.
i really lost hope about a separated EU/NA strat system... still in the same map as before :(
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rofl a NA player talking about EU builds... the majority of EU builds are balanced 18/18, 21/18, 24/15.
about...
Thank you for proving my point.
Anything that has a deviation of only + or - 3 is still "balanced" as having 15 AGIL instead of 18 is not really tipping the scale that much all things considered.
EU has even a clan dedicated to AGIL (Ninjas) where as NA that is unheard of. Even the guys on irc seem to think that EU has a lot more AGIL builds then the NA players have with the common 27/12 build. The devs/admins said that EU has a lot more AGIL then NA as that is why the Bec is not a massive problem on EU... so... your opinion is outnumbered.... (interesting discussion last night or the night before that me and Tydeus were having with a few offical cRPG guys about the bec disparity).
is false. try to shoot down some pure 2h/polearm without backup shield like shogunate, ninja, risen, grey, str, drz. go in the EU_shogunate or EU_searaiders server to face some skilled people and please don't judge euro gamers from the cannon fodder on EU_1 or the various sieges.
Fine, let me rephrase: Your average players can't dodge as well compared to our average players. I can't count the number of times that I have shot a "cannon fodder" archer and not seen him even bother to side step and just sit there for my next shot on EU. Yes I know you have a lot of top-notch players, but as EU has 4 times the player base, you have 4 times the casual "cannon fodder" troops. And dare I say your "cannon fodder" servers like EU_1 are far far larger then the "skilled" Shogunate or searaiders server when it comes to the amount of people on.
I have faced your skilled players on EU and they are extremely deadly and I would expect no less, but I will be damned if you can offer a satisfactory explenation why the NA cannon fodder servers give me less scores then the 3-4 times higher ping EU cannon fodder servers and expect me to not notice that.
we can translate this to: NA player trolling attitude about racism, politics, skill, etc. is unmatched.
Pretty much replace "NA Player" with "insert random country anywhere on the world" and yup you are pretty much right. Welcome to the internet.
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Thank you for proving my point.
Anything that has a deviation of only + or - 3 is still "balanced" as having 15 AGIL instead of 18 is not really tipping the scale that much all things considered.
EU has even a clan dedicated to AGIL (Ninjas) where as NA that is unheard of. Even the guys on irc seem to think that EU has a lot more AGIL builds then the NA players have with the common 27/12 build. The devs/admins said that EU has a lot more AGIL then NA as that is why the Bec is not a massive problem on EU... so... your opinion is outnumbered.... (interesting discussion last night or the night before that me and Tydeus were having with a few offical cRPG guys about the bec disparity).
Fine, let me rephrase: Your average players can't dodge as well compared to our average players. I can't count the number of times that I have shot a "cannon fodder" archer and not seen him even bother to side step and just sit there for my next shot on EU. Yes I know you have a lot of top-notch players, but as EU has 4 times the player base, you have 4 times the casual "cannon fodder" troops. And dare I say your "cannon fodder" servers like EU_1 are far far larger then the "skilled" Shogunate or searaiders server when it comes to the amount of people on.
I have faced your skilled players on EU and they are extremely deadly and I would expect no less, but I will be damned if you can offer a satisfactory explenation why the NA cannon fodder servers give me less scores then the 3-4 times higher ping EU cannon fodder servers and expect me to not notice that.
Pretty much replace "NA Player" with "insert random country anywhere on the world" and yup you are pretty much right. Welcome to the internet.
well the ninja example is right. but they are 5-8 active players in a 300+ playerbase. my latest 2h builds gone from 21/21, 24/18 and 27/15.
here feint spam is not that common anymore. the top-tier 2h polearm will use some feints but most of the time hold&release attacks, bladecopters, double overheads.
besides the fact that smart players abandoned agi builds because agi don't give swing speed anymore and wpf cost is too high to make sense over WM5. only reason people keep going 15 or 18 agi is for athletics.
you simply do more kills in eu because we're not used to ranged spam and lots of 2h polearms will not carry a backup shield.
no need to insert a random country... on EU servers you don't see those talkshows about chocolate chip cookies etc. in NA servers you do. this is a fact. not an opinion.
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NA players are just generally more skilled than EU and we are jelly.
Also the "problem" with NA is that all at least in theory everyone speaks and understands the same language while it is more limited on EU servers with English not being the native language of the most. This limits the ability and possible reception of trolling decently, although I think the same potential is there.
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We mad, we jelly!
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no need to insert a random country... on EU servers you don't see those talkshows about chocolate chip cookies etc. in NA servers you do. this is a fact. not an opinion.
Well it's kinda boring and true. EU there's no talk at all. Except a couple of trolls and me spamming chat which gets a couple of moralists and mega nerds mad because it covers their precious screen with white text. NA got alot of talk i agree. But does it hurt? No there's a feature called mute. People just think about the principle that he/she is talking so much and should be quiet and just play the game. But use the mute button and boom. Whaddya know? Problem solved.
Also on a side note NA guys are more charismatic than EU. True story.
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EU are jelly.
Also the "problem" with NA is that all at least in theory everyone speaks and understands the same language while it is more limited on EU servers with English not being the native language of the most. This limits the ability and possible reception of trolling decently, although I think the same potential is there.
So true. So much truth. :lol:
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NA players are just generally more skilled than EU and we are jelly.
Also the "problem" with NA is that all at least in theory everyone speaks and understands the same language while it is more limited on EU servers with English not being the native language of the most. This limits the ability and possible reception of trolling decently, although I think the same potential is there.
Now this I agree with.
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Well as a NA player when I was on EU servers a bit before the patch I really noticed how different weapon usage was. I saw far fewer polearms in general and the Danish was still the most popular 2h sword (longsword on NA.) I was also surprised to still see lots of miaodaos which had already gone out of style on NA with notable players like tydeus and rangerbob switching from it to polearms. That's at least the impressions I got from the "cannon fodder" on the official EU battle and siege servers.
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True enough, but I don't want either side of it. I know crap like that is integral to some games, but I believe Strategus should be more civilized. The two-continent solution sounds fine to me, but for now we're still on the same map, so we desperately need a day/night cycle defined by defenders, like server choice, to keep battle times in line.
Discussing that stuff in greater depth is for other threads, though; we're getting a little bit sidetracked here. :)
Two Continents ftw, let's start a petition. Proposition Deuce.
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Hmm.. maybe most of you guys play battle, because I play siege, and most of the time prefer NA because it seems much more friendly.
Often enough on EU, if I accidentally hit a teammate whilst battling an enemy they will later revenge-attack me. And I certainly see quite a lot of intentional team-attacking, along with revenge tks, and endless, endless polling. Accidentally tks seem very often to result in kick/ban polls almost immediately after. I once leech-reporting some naked guy who had been running around spawn punching those attack dummies for quite some time, and he almost immediately put up a ban poll on me for 'abusing QML'. Lots of polls.
It is true that there seems to be less conversation in general, probably as has been mentioned because of far more prevalent language differences. For that I am supremely grateful, because if the playstyle and endless polling is any indication, EU is full of assholes.
Now, I don't think there is any innate difference between EU players and NA players - it's simply that the NA servers are better policed. EU servers need it just as badly; they just don't have it. NA admins don't put up with intentional team-wounding, with revenge tks, and all that nonsense. People who like to do that either know to stay away or have already been banned.
It's unfortunate that fallen for this NA 'badmin' myth, which I have never seen in all my time playing there. What I do see are some cases when one clan-member is kicked/banned for whatever legitimate reason, and then the rest of his clanmates spam chat with heckling and threatening the admin, challenging the rules or the admin's right to enforce the rules or whatever else - often ignoring whatever explanation is given and continuing with the heckling, and often enough coming to complain about it on the forums. (I'm not naming any names, but you can probably guess some of the clans I have in mind.) And if the admin is brave enough to mute or even kick those who refuse to desist in this, as one would expect they make it all that much uglier on the forums.
Effective admining simply isn't feasible if an admin has to justify every ban with an extensive justification and the following arguments via the forum. I'm glad that most NA admins are able, much of the time, to resist the temptation to try. But.. don't be mislead by the trolling morons who claim admin abuse just because their friend got banned for being an ass and breaking the server rules.
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Im an EU player and have been since around new year but i have been living in the US for the past 5 weeks and in that time ive noticed only a few real differences.
-EU tends to use more archery and ranged compared to NA
-More tincans in NA than EU but also more people playing naked or in peasant gear. Most EU tend to run around in medium-ish armour.
Aside from that there doesnt seem to bed too much difference in terms of playstyles or game experiecnce. In general, player skill is about the same and the number and skill of 'heroes' is also about the same. That said, id love to see a duel tournament between the best NA players and the best EU players.
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it is the same... end of pointless discussion.
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it is the same... end of pointless discussion.
Not at all.
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So far this has been quite enlightening. I didn't realize that EU servers tend toward different weapons, for instance.
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Not at all.
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You guys should visit other servers, too.
In China servers, I've seen all those HAs headshotting each other, doing impossible maneuvers and precise assist bumps. Those HAs are truly under the hands of skilled players, you just never see them stop to take a shot. (And those headshots aren't jokes, for the first few times I thought they were just lucky, but later on it occured more frequent than I've seen on NA, mad skills)
In Russian servers, if you see a 1H cav (pre-patch) it's best to stay near a piker, lest you want to get bump slashed to death (I know some may have counterattacks against those, but they are good at countering those counterattacks, too)
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In the larger servers there are millions of more ranged types(Mostly I would think due to the more targets they get to shoot) I once played a match in pecores on Port Assault and standout in the open with my Elite Cavalry Shield up, I would just get pelted and hailed by thousands of projectiles and I'd pussy out and run into cover. This is when I decided to make a macro ''cRPG Battlefield, Better drink my own piss''
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I've been playing on NA servers with my boys down in LLJK for a few months now and I keep seeing threads on issues that never seem to pop up when you are a newblette such as myself. It seems to me that Euros have to play differently or some such.
A few things I've been wondering that I'd love to have clarified:
1. Is the Bec as big a 'thing' on Euro servers as it in in NA? Becs are extremely common where I've been. Polearms and 2h dominate NA- mostly poles these days.
2. Why is the EU community so in love with the recent archery hellnerf? I want my arrow speed back, shits slow, yo.
3. Why do I see so much raeg against NA in various Strat-oriented threads? We just wanna chill out with a bowl, a beer, and some mountain blade.
I'm sure other Murican types have their own questions for EU. So tell me EU folks- what makes your crpg different from ours?
only if you tell me why USAers hate canadians and mexicans. :D
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Hmm.. maybe most of you guys play battle, because I play siege, and most of the time prefer NA because it seems much more friendly.
Often enough on EU, if I accidentally hit a teammate whilst battling an enemy they will later revenge-attack me. And I certainly see quite a lot of intentional team-attacking, along with revenge tks, and endless, endless polling. Accidentally tks seem very often to result in kick/ban polls almost immediately after. I once leech-reporting some naked guy who had been running around spawn punching those attack dummies for quite some time, and he almost immediately put up a ban poll on me for 'abusing QML'. Lots of polls.
It is true that there seems to be less conversation in general, probably as has been mentioned because of far more prevalent language differences. For that I am supremely grateful, because if the playstyle and endless polling is any indication, EU is full of assholes.
Now, I don't think there is any innate difference between EU players and NA players - it's simply that the NA servers are better policed. EU servers need it just as badly; they just don't have it. NA admins don't put up with intentional team-wounding, with revenge tks, and all that nonsense. People who like to do that either know to stay away or have already been banned.
It's unfortunate that fallen for this NA 'badmin' myth, which I have never seen in all my time playing there. What I do see are some cases when one clan-member is kicked/banned for whatever legitimate reason, and then the rest of his clanmates spam chat with heckling and threatening the admin, challenging the rules or the admin's right to enforce the rules or whatever else - often ignoring whatever explanation is given and continuing with the heckling, and often enough coming to complain about it on the forums. (I'm not naming any names, but you can probably guess some of the clans I have in mind.) And if the admin is brave enough to mute or even kick those who refuse to desist in this, as one would expect they make it all that much uglier on the forums.
Effective admining simply isn't feasible if an admin has to justify every ban with an extensive justification and the following arguments via the forum. I'm glad that most NA admins are able, much of the time, to resist the temptation to try. But.. don't be mislead by the trolling morons who claim admin abuse just because their friend got banned for being an ass and breaking the server rules.
instead EU have plenty of capable admins. kurosch, punisher, randomdude just to name few... they all warn before kicking. and the bans are really reserved for recidive conduct.
instead, i got banned by ATS_Ecko for 2 unintentional tks without warning on a strategus fight (an important clan battle. september 2010.) then i got kicked by one another ATS guys for using the word "weaboo" on a NA battle. Then again, i joined a battle with 6 players. 1 of them was an admin. they was making sorta of dueling stuff. i didn't know, i just came and engaged enemies. i got warned by the admin that was enforcing "dueling" rules at his own will.
i don't say NA admins are bad and EU are good. i just say we had different experiences. And yes, NA are more friendly because they are less and thus they play together more often. EU have 4 or 5 full servers at peak time. so it's harder to know all the new players that join cRPG. and i bet it's harded to enforce rules with so much people playing. also we have a lot of rivality between hostile clans (often turning in trolling) and a lot of raging grinders that fortunally NA i hope lacks of.
about the builds, goretooth just opened the way to the STR polearms builds fashion. he's really skilled and people try that route to emulate him.
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In Russian servers, if you see a 1H cav (pre-patch) it's best to stay near a piker, lest you want to get bump slashed to death (I know some may have counterattacks against those, but they are good at countering those counterattacks, too)
Very true now as well.
Also, crossbows there, a lot of them. And ones that don't tend to miss a lot. A lot of deadly horse xbowmen too. Very few 2h/polearmers, at least pure ones.
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EU has even a clan dedicated to AGIL (Ninjas)
False. Most of us just tend to be agi based to be able to catch up to the enemy with our katanas. But we've had a few strength ninjas over the time.
About the thread. My experience with NA servers is that because you have(had? Dunno about the new servers) lower max population on the servers it's easier to flank with my ninja and because I run fairly quickly the archers never seem to expect me and I get a lot of easy kills that way. Then when I get in close combat the fights seem about the same as in EU, except maybe NA people are a little slower due to more str based build, which is nice because my ping on NA servers is 160.
And I believe the topic should be "So someone teach* me...." *insert stereotypical joke about the US educational system*(I apologize if it's not your native tongue :wink: )
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You could also use that to your advantage and attack US when it is 4am our time. that blade cuts both ways
No, it doesn't. Because we're not 12 hours away, but 5-7, so we'd have to play at 10am to have you play at 4am which is the time a lot of people are at work.
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Also on a side note NA guys are more charismatic than EU. True story.
More charismatic, if this isn't solely for trolling purposes then that's a big negative. Charisma isn't a national trait, it's a personal one.
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Often enough on EU, if I accidentally hit a teammate whilst battling an enemy they will later revenge-attack me. And I certainly see quite a lot of intentional team-attacking, along with revenge tks, and endless, endless polling. Accidentally tks seem very often to result in kick/ban polls almost immediately after. I once leech-reporting some naked guy who had been running around spawn punching those attack dummies for quite some time, and he almost immediately put up a ban poll on me for 'abusing QML'. Lots of polls.
It is true that there seems to be less conversation in general, probably as has been mentioned because of far more prevalent language differences. For that I am supremely grateful, because if the playstyle and endless polling is any indication, EU is full of assholes.
Now, I don't think there is any innate difference between EU players and NA players - it's simply that the NA servers are better policed. EU servers need it just as badly; they just don't have it. NA admins don't put up with intentional team-wounding, with revenge tks, and all that nonsense. People who like to do that either know to stay away or have already been banned.
I'm EU and have never noticed any of what you speak of. 99% of the time if you say 'sorry' for a tk, people will accept the apology. Or maybe you just don't apologise? In which case I could see why you would get poll kicked ect. There is a big culture in EU of as long as it's an accident and you apologise, there will be no revenge kills ect. Only occasional trolls will do otherwise. But you get that in both sets of servers.
There is less conversation, probably because of the language barriers, but judging by that comment and the fact that 5 NA rated your post, NA are equal if not more arseholes.
The few times I've played NA servers, have been far less policed than EU. EU there are some very good admins that ban/kick precisely the right people. They don't offer explanations, they don't need to. Usually there will be a warning and then a ban/kick. Few admins don't offer warnings on EU. My experiences with admins on NA (from observations) have been nowhere near so positive. But that's probably more due to the fact I spend most of my time in EU servers.
Also on a side note NA guys are more charismatic than EU. True story.
Judging by you, I wouldn't rate that comment.
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We're all fucking trolls, how can you not when this game makes you rage so FUCKING HARD.
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We're all fucking trolls, how can you not when this game makes you rage so FUCKING HARD.
I don't rage at the game. Irritated sometimes, but never raging.
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I don't rage at the game. Irritated sometimes, but never raging.
but you're an archer, thats the ultimate troll class behind throwers
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I don't rage at the game. Irritated sometimes, but never raging.
I rage,alot,even more when i get shoot by someone,even more when I get tk'd,I like my nick
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only if you tell me why USAers hate canadians and mexicans. :D
oh please, any amount of hate some people have for other nations in NA doesn't even come close to the long history of hatred many nations throughout Europe have with each other that still exist with plenty of people. Ireland and England, Germany and Russia (Those ******* Russian's stole Odin's car), Bosnia and Serbia, and plenty others far exceed the (primarily sports) rivalries in the Americas
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oh please, any amount of hate some people have for other nations in NA doesn't even come close to the long history of hatred many nations throughout Europe have with each other that still exist with plenty of people. Ireland and England, Germany and Russia (Those ******* Russian's stole Odin's car), Bosnia and Serbia, and plenty others far exceed the (primarily sports) rivalries in the Americas
Yeah, the average American loves Canadians. They are a pretty cool bunch, nice people next door. As for Mexico, a popular country for spring break with quite a few important economic deals set up. All in all The New World gets along with itself pretty well. A few states have a "reputation" for xenophobia, but that is a case of a few bad politicians making bad calls that the people even disagree with (like Arizona ).
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oh please, any amount of hate some people have for other nations in NA doesn't even come close to the long history of hatred many nations throughout Europe have with each other that still exist with plenty of people. Ireland and England, Germany and Russia (Those ******* Russian's stole Odin's car), Bosnia and Serbia, and plenty others far exceed the (primarily sports) rivalries in the Americas
yes. USA was so nice and kind to wipe all the natives and ghetto the remaining. oh and 300 years of slavery.
and so nice to have the worst numbers about firearms casualties.
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yes. US is was so nice and kind to wipe all the natives and ghetto the remaining. oh and 300 years of slavery.
*looks at the laundry list of sins for every country in the world*
right... I think you missed his point.
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*looks at the laundry list of sins for every country in the world*
right... I think you missed his point.
after all, who left europe on ships to discover the new world, was prisoners, killers, thieves...
i agree with you but talking about sins, USA is second only to WWII chocolate chip cookie germany.
and the only ONLY country in the world that used the atomic bomb over two cities.
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don't misunderstand me. i did grow up listen to hendrix, stevie ray vaughan, albert king, albert lee, etc... but i really share what michael moore thinks.
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The funny thing is that Decimo actually believes what he wrote and is not just trolling.
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You know, there's a fairly expensive but exciting and interesting way to test all points that have been debated and discussed in this thread.
Someone organizes a huge event, shipping over players from NA and EU to a neutral country. It would make more sense if said country was in EU, since the EU player base outnumbers the NA one so much. Plus, I don't think EU wants to deal with your fucking airport controls and survey-questions like "Are you a terrorist?". :lol:
In this event, we have fun activities to ease tensions with the two communities and build friendships in the process.
After all this pansy ass shit, we have a big ass fucking LAN tournament and beat the crap out of each other. Simple. :mrgreen:
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The funny thing is that Decimo actually believes what he wrote and is not just trolling.
you're right about the fact i'm not trolling. i'm just sharing my thoughts without offending. you're wrong about the fact it's funny. no... isn't funny. is really sad. the NA abuse the words "freedom" and "democracy" too much. incoherence there is a part of the DNA. For instance, "Freedom" while Georgia had slavery and racism attitudes until late sixties. "Democracy" while oil and insurance lobbies control the senate. "Kindness" while bombing around the world since WWII. (CIA in bolivia, Vietnam, operation Desert Storm, operation Enduring Freedom... "Safety" while in the streets people roam around with handguns (kids at second grade school with guns), have guns under the cushion, even banks give you a pump shotgun if you open a bank account.
"Incoherence" since Bush blamed iraq's for weapons of mass destruction while using willypete (white phosphor) to chemically burn civilians in Falluja.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mac_mcki_061116_willy_pete_does_fall.htm
Again incoherence for the subtle japanese pearl harbor attack (3000 casualties), while doing 80.000 civilian casualties by level bombing two cities (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) with the first use of nuclear devices against human (also civilians.. not military) targets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
So no.. is not funny.
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I thought this thread was about ingame behaviour?
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I thought this thread was about ingame behaviour?
yeah sorry for the OT. but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrtNSZh2Tnw (fahrenheit 9/11 michael moore)
look at those acne kids... they just go drive tanks like they would do playing battlefield 2.
this is not history. this still happens. and yes... it's not funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBHtjZmSpw (funny animation in the "Bowling for Columbine" movie by Michael Moore
check out "Super Size Me" too and the Peak Oil Dossier.
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What a fuckin'stupid thread, X is like this, Y is like that and Z is like...
Bullshit, stop making generality (even more about a game).
We are all geeks typing on a keyboard and clicking on a mouse, only difference some have Qwerty other have Azerty, that's'all.
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i agree with you but talking about sins, USA is second only to WWII chocolate chip cookie germany.
and the only ONLY country in the world that used the atomic bomb over two cities.
Failure of an example, if we had invaded, taking massive causalities and having to wipe out huge numbers of Japan's population from every city, or just let Japan continue it's reign of terror over all of the east, then there would be something to blame the US for, dropping a couple nukes when no one else had them in order to force the government to surrender was the best option there. Study history and you'll find there are plenty of better examples like wipe all the natives and ghetto the remaining. oh and 300 years of slavery.
are better examples, yet even there, from the time of this nations creation, there have been many people that have fought to have things changed, and ultimately, the Americans that support the idea that all people are equal are the ones that win in the long run.
You could spend hours
*looking at the laundry list of sins for every country in the world*
but their really isn't any point to it. I have slave owning ancestors, but to assume I have any negative feelings toward black people would be just as ridiculous as to assume someone from France must have a great fondness for using the guillotine on anyone who looks at them the wrong way, or that all Spanish enjoy burning people at the steak and slaughtering Muslims. I certainly don't get the impression that all British people are still obsessed with conquering all the "inferior" people around the world.
Anyway, if you're not in a clan yet, consider joining Fallen, we promote international cooperation for a common evil.
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I've been playing on NA servers with my boys down in LLJK for a few months now and I keep seeing threads on issues that never seem to pop up when you are a newblette such as myself. It seems to me that Euros have to play differently or some such.
A few things I've been wondering that I'd love to have clarified:
1. Is the Bec as big a 'thing' on Euro servers as it in in NA? Becs are extremely common where I've been. Polearms and 2h dominate NA- mostly poles these days.
2. Why is the EU community so in love with the recent archery hellnerf? I want my arrow speed back, shits slow, yo.
3. Why do I see so much raeg against NA in various Strat-oriented threads? We just wanna chill out with a bowl, a beer, and some mountain blade.
I'm sure other Murican types have their own questions for EU. So tell me EU folks- what makes your crpg different from ours?
Armois trolling at its fucking finest. Bravo good sir.
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What a fuckin'stupid thread, X is like this, Y is like that and Z is like...
Bullshit, stop making generality (even more about a game).
We are all geeks typing on a keyboard and clicking on a mouse, only difference some have Qwerty other have Azerty, that's'all.
Fucking Azerty scum...