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Title: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Spjut on July 11, 2011, 10:33:51 pm
  :( - Well Everything is just feeling awful. Graphic sux... horse move like a donkey, my bow is a toy for kids, everyone looks small and stupid and when you hit them they squel like pigs without dying... Well I'm out of here! I'll be back when they have fixed this. Can't play a game that is downgraded like this.

GK_Spjut
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:37:20 pm
I agree with my GK friend...

All we needed atm was some 1h shielders spamming whores with throwing spears...wtf
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Ming on July 11, 2011, 10:42:07 pm
more .. MOARR 1 hit arbalest, throwers.... :?

if so i'd prefer the old archer way...
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Jacko on July 11, 2011, 10:43:08 pm
Panos, stop leeching.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Murchad on July 11, 2011, 10:43:14 pm
Quote from: Spjut on July 11, 2011, 10:33:51 pm
  :( - Well Everything is just feeling awful. Graphic sux... horse move like a equus africanus asinus, my bow is a toy for kids, everyone looks small and stupid and when you hit them they squel like pigs without dying... Well I'm out of here! I'll be back when they have fixed this. Can't play a game that is downgraded like this.

GK_Spjut

bow is a toy for kids? bows got huge damage boost. the arrow speed decrease may be a bit too much.
graphics didnt change that much.      horses are still plenty fast.
since you mentioned bows and horses i take it that you are a HA. if that is the case i agree with everything feeling awful.
not being able to shoot the broad side of a barn while moving is more than a nerf.  I thought horse archers were pretty balanced last patch. you could shoot pretty accurate but it would take many arrows to kill someone in decent armor. now arrows do alot of dmg but the accuracy is nonexistant.
I don't have a problem with a HA accuracy nerf but what they did is beyond anything reasonable.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Felagunda on July 11, 2011, 10:43:53 pm
Quote from: Spjut on July 11, 2011, 10:33:51 pm
  :( - Well Everything is just feeling awful. Graphic sux...

Lies those arrows look just like rocks when they come at ya.  That was super upgrade to graphics and it was so necessary to spend the time doing that model / animation change.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:44:34 pm
Quote from: Ming on July 11, 2011, 10:42:07 pm
more .. MOARR 1 hit arbalest, throwers.... :?

if so i'd prefer the old archer way...


tbh i would prefer u and jackie with the old game than the shit that it is now..
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Reinhardt on July 11, 2011, 10:47:14 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)


But... you did release hotfixes... and THEN every said it was better. Before the hotfix people complained much more.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 10:48:30 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)

Hey I liked the last patch from the get-go.
I was only complaining from the start for this one because due to an unforseen glitch that make Bowmen superstars, :/
But now that you fixed that and upkeep, I love you forever!
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:49:07 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)


1h+huscarl shield + 8 throwing spears...do i need to say more?
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:51:03 pm
Quote from: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:49:07 pm

1h+huscarl shield + 8 throwing spears...do i need to say more?

I think so, because I don't have the slightest idea what that means
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Cosmos_Shielder on July 11, 2011, 10:51:49 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)
+1
There is also that after a patch teamplay is temporarly affected , because of every people just "trying" new stuff. We can't see the real changes until 2-3 week pass and people finally decide what they want to be.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: ponyboy on July 11, 2011, 10:53:14 pm
In my opinion this game was more fun to play before the upkeep patch.  I just had more fun playing.  Since then it has slowly gotten less fun to play patch after patch.  Its not that people stop complaining because they decide they like the changes.  They just get used to it in its less fun state.  That doesn't mean the patch was a success and people like it.  Overall its still a fun mod to play, but I feel it has gone down hill.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Cosmos_Shielder on July 11, 2011, 10:53:54 pm
Quote from: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:49:07 pm

1h+huscarl shield + 8 throwing spears...do i need to say more?
I may understand that it is just impossible because huscarl takes 2 slot :D
So that is 5 slots out of 4. Are you cheating lord Penos :D
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:51:03 pm
I think so, because I don't have the slightest idea what that means

4 slots ok?

1 slot the sword
1 slot the huscarl
2 slots the 8 thr.spears...

dont u think that this is too much?
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Digglez on July 11, 2011, 10:57:46 pm
Quote from: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
4 slots ok?

1 slot the sword
1 slot the huscarl
2 slots the 8 thr.spears...

dont u think that this is too much?

game was hotfix/updated, huscarl is 2 slots.  get with the times
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:58:39 pm
Quote from: ponyboy on July 11, 2011, 10:53:14 pm
In my opinion this game was more fun to play before the upkeep patch.  I just had more fun playing. 

Well, but then the dev team, me included, would probably have left.
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Quote from: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
4 slots ok?

1 slot the sword
1 slot the huscarl
2 slots the 8 thr.spears...

dont u think that this is too much?
Probably. Definately too many slots. Seriously, what are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:59:02 pm
^^

Am I speaking chineze?

Or are u trying to troll me??

Either way u are a smart boy (?) figure it out.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Inporylem on July 11, 2011, 11:00:33 pm
Ruined game  :oops:
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Barbas on July 11, 2011, 11:05:00 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

You're neglecting the possibility that the game has in fact been getting progressively worse.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 11:05:55 pm
So why has the active playerbase been constantly increased?
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 11, 2011, 11:06:48 pm
The patch isnt too bad, a lot of bad feedback because its new.

People dont like change, its not comfortable, its not the same, yet change brings benefits, you just need to wait to discover them, that is the joureny of change

QQ more?

Its a patch in time it will be fine everyone will start liking it, rage quitters rreturn happened with the last patch.

Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: okiN on July 11, 2011, 11:08:05 pm
Quote from: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:49:07 pm

1h+huscarl shield + 8 throwing spears...do i need to say more?

You're out of date, husc is 2 slots again.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Gnjus on July 11, 2011, 11:13:35 pm
Quote from: okiN on July 11, 2011, 11:08:05 pm
You're out of date, husc is 2 slots again.

Panos was born out of date, don't mind his blabbing.  :wink:
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: HentziTheHun on July 11, 2011, 11:13:44 pm
I agree with Spjut. This new patch really ruined this great game. :(
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Punisher on July 11, 2011, 11:14:50 pm
Still waiting for DaveUKR to GTX, the tradition must continue.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 11, 2011, 11:15:06 pm
This is coming from the All cav and all Horse archer clan?

Of course you guys dont like it you got nerfed hard dude, sry i guess but hey HA was annoying...
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Vibe on July 11, 2011, 11:15:55 pm
Quote from: Punisher on July 11, 2011, 11:14:50 pm
Still waiting for DaveUKR to GTX, the tradition must continue.

I saw him raging about crossbow aim offset, it just might happen...
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 11:18:39 pm
I think it's a fairly good patch.

Just remember after every patch comes a flood of rage (me over the HA nerf). It dies down and people realise it actually will be ok. Maybe upkeep sucks though :P

Quote from: SirCymro_Crusader on July 11, 2011, 11:15:06 pm
This is coming from the All cav and all Horse archer clan?

Of course you guys dont like it you got nerfed hard dude, sry i guess but hey HA was annoying...

HA got rebuffed  :lol: Albeit with still a bit of an accuracy nerf. But now at least you can only stand a chance as HA as a pure build.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: dreadnok on July 11, 2011, 11:21:12 pm
Quote from: Lord_Panos on July 11, 2011, 10:49:07 pm

1h+huscarl shield + 8 throwing spears...do i need to say more?

 not to mention great hammer crushes right thru them everytime. altho throwing is becoming jokey. when a dude throw a rock 200 yards something isnt right
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 11:21:44 pm
Now that the hotfix is here, I am happy.
My main 2 "the game broke" issues the devs agreed and fixed it (Nuclear warheads for bows and the high upkeep).
*shrugs*

Simple mind simple pleasures.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Blondin on July 11, 2011, 11:22:20 pm
Quote from: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 11:18:39 pm
I think it's a fairly good patch.

Just remember after every patch comes a flood of rage (me over the HA nerf). It dies down and people realise it actually will be ok. Maybe upkeep sucks though :P

+1 because your a HA, good state of mind  :D
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: HentziTheHun on July 11, 2011, 11:26:41 pm
Blondin I can give you the script for the next months:
Lots of HAs go throwers ( cause Throwing is fking overpowered ) they will make noobs players whine and in the new patch throwing will be heavily nerfed again and hopefuly HA will be restored or overpowered.
This circle is going again and again till devs cant make a normal patch what is good for everyone.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Barbas on July 11, 2011, 11:26:57 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 11:05:55 pm
So why has the active playerbase been constantly increased?

Well, when you're the only game in town..   ;)

Really though, the actual playing experience now is virtually no different than it was 8-9 months ago.  All the slight changes in item stats, gold earning, upkeep, retirement.. in the end, these just make a minor impact on on how one would spec and equip a character.  The game was fine enough back then.  It's fine enough now... though fundamentally no different aside from DTV, whenever that is consistently working.

People still whine about archers, or spammers, or tincans, or cavalry, so on, being OP.. and not because the charge is actually true, but merely because they are whiners.  People will never be satisfied no matter what you change, because most just want their own build to be stronger and the others weaker.  Personally, I wouldn't waste my time tweaking any of it.

I just hope the return of Strategus isn't trolling, though :P

Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 11:27:55 pm
Quote from: Barbas on July 11, 2011, 11:26:57 pm
I just hope the return of Strategus isn't trolling, though :P
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,10229.0.html
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 11:29:05 pm
Quote from: HentziTheHun on July 11, 2011, 11:26:41 pm
Blondin I can give you the script for the next months:
Lots of HAs go throwers ( cause Throwing is fking overpowered ) they will make noobs players whine and in the new patch throwing will be heavily nerfed again and hopefuly HA will be restored or overpowered.
This circle is going again and again till devs cant make a normal patch what is good for everyone.

Hentzi...since the hotfix, HA is perfect in my opinion. It benefits pure HA and punishes those who are only putting a couple points in it. That's good for us. Once you get to 4 HA it's about the equivelant of what 3 HA was before. Which is still good. I honestly don't think it's a problem now. The slower arrows don't matter to us either, we ride close and shoot. Riding at speed is possible. I hit 18-4 k/d on one map once I got used to the arrow drop (mostly because of the excess noob archers who really don't pay attention to HA about to head shot them).

Throwing isn't OP. It's normal. It's good to see it back, plus plenty of throwers like holding their shots which means you can shoot them before they release. Lots of fun. Adds a nice challenge + counter for HA.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: HentziTheHun on July 11, 2011, 11:32:19 pm
Overdriven you are right in an aspect, but the best option would be the bringback of old options for us. HA was not an OP class, it was as "OP" as it is now. It comes from it nature that you can runaway while shooting that is why you are  "horse archer". The nerf was / is really not needed, my champion arabian warhorse can be shot with 1 arrow and ye that +1 HA point should count like in former patch did.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Barbas on July 11, 2011, 11:32:22 pm
Quote from: Tears_of_Destiny on July 11, 2011, 11:27:55 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,10229.0.html

Until I'm actually playing Strategus, given the, er.. sense of humor of the devs, it may well be a big 'ol troll. 

Actually.. even once I'm playing it, I'm not sure I can be perfectly confident about it being legit  :lol:
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 11:33:37 pm
Quote from: HentziTheHun on July 11, 2011, 11:32:19 pm
Overdriven you are right in an aspect, but the best option would be the bringback of old options for us. HA was not an OP class, it was as "OP" as it is now. It comes from it nature that you can runaway while shooting that is why you are  "horse archer". The nerf was / is really not needed, my champion arabian warhorse can be shot with 1 arrow and ye that +1 HA point should count like in former patch did.

Ah the horse issue is different. It can be frustarting when my spirited courser goes down to 2 arrows and not even a head shot.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Teeth on July 11, 2011, 11:34:43 pm
Ah, there are the oh my good the patch ruined everything topics. Before you GTX, just wait a while till the dust settles, all the hotfixes have been released and I'm sure it won't be that bad.

Although I think every patch changes the game drastically instead of slowly working towards perfection. So it gets huge changes that requires a balancefest after every patch. Wouldn't it be time  to leave the game as it is and slowly fix minor issues until it hits perfection?
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Tuonela on July 11, 2011, 11:35:01 pm
If you like playing as ha, you can play it even after all the nerfs. This patch merely removes those who played it because they got kills with it. (And those weird ha hybrids)

And Hentzi: HA was OP. I could join a server knowing that I will likely top the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: HentziTheHun on July 11, 2011, 11:35:14 pm
Nah it is not an other issue. It belongs to my class like bow and arrow:)
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Trikipum on July 11, 2011, 11:45:55 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)
That is not true chadz, not everyone. I personally think that the last patch before this one  was the best cprg patch ever made to date... Wasnt perfect that is sure  but it was the closest thing to a balanced game. When you added the upkeep system i was pissed out, not but the system itself  but for knowing all my friends were going to quit  (as they all did, you know, ppl with jobs, sons, wives etc etc). I played it for a while and then just took a rest from crpg. When i came back to play again (few weeks ago), i was really pleased about the patch i missed its released. The upkeep system did the game much better yes that is right, even if the system didnt have the best implementation the first days. Then i realized it was a good move. Ive been enjoying this "new" patch for me until this last one patch. Main problem is horses are turned into shit. The 40 degrees limit is a bad move that doesnt solve any problem. The guys will just take a more "gay" aproach when charging, risking much less (understandable), will bump much more (understandable too, since sometimes is just much less risky to run on that guy who is a treat) and will lead to lame cavarly gameplay. Actually 1h cavalry men rip lancers to pieces, and that is silly and sad. It just makes no sense that a person with a shorter weapon has the advantage in cavalry combat. For the rest is ok i believe. Salute.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Gnjus on July 11, 2011, 11:50:28 pm
Quote from: Trikipum on July 11, 2011, 11:45:55 pm
Actually 1h cavalry men rip lancers to pieces

 :shock:
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Trikipum on July 11, 2011, 11:55:07 pm
You can put all the faces you want gjnus, but you know that with the new system, a 1h has the greaters chances to win in a 1h/horsie vs polearm/horsie. And that is plain silly.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Tennenoth on July 12, 2011, 12:28:09 am
Quote from: Punisher on July 11, 2011, 11:14:50 pm
Still waiting for DaveUKR to GTX, the tradition must continue.

If I remember it was apparently him who said that bows shouldn't be able to shoot further than xbows (not sure if that's true, but if it is, then he wouldn't rage quit over getting his own way!)

But yes, I do feel that this patch has... worsenedthe game again, but then I am an archer, I just sit there and take the nerfs that get thrown at me. I don't believe that increasing accuracy and reducing the arrow speed increased the amount of skill to hit targets, moving the reticle a little bit higher and the direction the enemy is running for less damage, doesn't make sense to me since it would take the same amount of skill to judge how long the arrow will take to land on the target before hand...

On a side note, I think I am going to take some time out from the mod too, it's beginning to bug me.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Bija on July 12, 2011, 04:29:56 am
I'm currently semi-retiring my archer and focusing on my cheesy arbalest sniper. GL HF.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Ming on July 12, 2011, 03:20:35 pm
Quote from: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
Nothing new here. Anytime we release a patch a few people threaten to quit, and the rest rages how the old patch was better.

Let's take a look back.

When we released last patch (the one people currently consider better), everyone cried how awful it is, compared to the previous version.

Same for the version before. And the one before. And the one before.

Also, people that really want to leave ususally don't post a goodbye message - they just leave. Everything else is just a cry for help :)

chadz is smart i told ya....dam...my plan failed.
Title: Re: Lost the feeling of CRPG with new patch
Post by: Polobow on July 12, 2011, 03:28:44 pm
This thread makes me think about a post of a guy from the team who made battlefield heroes. He explained stuff about why they changed the game into pay to win, and how the forum reacted. He showed polls, actual profits/loss information and playerbase data. Can't remember clearly, but he said 80% of the forum users had the picture "ea failed" and all said they would leave. I guess this is a little equal to cRPG.

I'll try to find a link for it, it was really interesting.

EDIT: Found it. http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

EDIT2: If you want a TL;DR of the data, go to

11:58 - 15:40
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