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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Olwen on July 11, 2011, 07:11:24 pm

Title: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Olwen on July 11, 2011, 07:11:24 pm
Cavalry everywhere, HELP

just take a look at eu1, feels like native khergit vs khergit except that there's 10 plated horses each round
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 07:13:48 pm
/In before "grab a pike n00b!" statements/

More one handed cavalry is to be expected considering dodging long range shots is easier.

However, due to throwing being viable again, it may be more tricksy for them to survive contact  :twisted:
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Bulzur on July 11, 2011, 07:14:27 pm
Don't worry, you're a "lone hero".

Thanks to archers shotgun being disabled, we can kill archers again, so of course we're back.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Classical on July 11, 2011, 07:16:30 pm
Cavalry was nerfed because Kesh has a single opinion that apparently holds standing above the entire communities, and basic logic.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: PhantomZero on July 11, 2011, 07:17:29 pm
1H Cav is surging because Lancer Cav is less effective against other cav.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 07:18:12 pm
Cavalry was nerfed because Kesh has a single opinion that apparently holds standing above the entire communities, and basic logic.

With this logic, archery would not have had the shoot speed reduced :/

Both me and Kesh were fighting hard against it :/

Now we have the effective range that throwers do... psh psh psh

Also, the below is true:
1H Cav is surging because Lancer Cav is less effective against other cav.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: okiN on July 11, 2011, 07:21:18 pm
Now we have the effective range that throwers do... psh psh psh

You keep saying that, but it's completely untrue. Bow projectile speed is still about double that of throwing, and accuracy is on an entirely different level.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 07:22:44 pm
You keep saying that, but it's completely untrue. Bow projectile speed is still about double that of throwing, and accuracy is on an entirely different level.

My Level 32 character died and I lost all of my Looms!
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Gnjus on July 11, 2011, 07:25:48 pm
I don't know what you people are talking about. 1h cav is here as it always was, there is no sudden invasion or something. Were we so invisible before this patch or what ? Ironlake, Lizard Man, SkyrayFox, Gazda, me, Chlor and a bunch of other people who's names i can't recall atm played it before the patch and we are obviously still playing it. I don't think there will be THAT many new-formed 1h cavalry guys, if anything started to crawl out of their maggot lairs its definitely the throwers.

Edit: Dado, Idzo, X4, Executive Outcomes, feel free to continue the list.....
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Digglez on July 11, 2011, 09:20:08 pm
I don't know what you people are talking about. 1h cav is here as it always was, there is no sudden invasion or something. Were we so invisible before this patch or what ? Ironlake, Lizard Man, SkyrayFox, Gazda, me, Chlor and a bunch of other people who's names i can't recall atm played it before the patch and we are obviously still playing it. I don't think there will be THAT many new-formed 1h cavalry guys, if anything started to crawl out of their maggot lairs its definitely the throwers.

Edit: Dado, Idzo, X4, Executive Outcomes, feel free to continue the list.....

I can only name 3 1H cav for NA, and I'm one of them.  Really if you werent triple teamed or more, lancers really werent much of a problem, coursers cant hang with a good 1h horse like destrier...even more so now that the lolracecar lost speed and maneuvering
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 09:22:45 pm
You all asked for lancers to be nerfed. Of course other cav is now going to come in and rape instead seeing as one of the best cav killers got nerfed :lol: Cav vs cav doesn't really exist properly any more...so instead you'll get bump slashed constantly instead because they don't want to fight each other pointlessly.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Kafein on July 11, 2011, 09:23:41 pm
I don't know what you people are talking about. 1h cav is here as it always was, there is no sudden invasion or something. Were we so invisible before this patch or what ? Ironlake, Lizard Man, SkyrayFox, Gazda, me, Chlor and a bunch of other people who's names i can't recall atm played it before the patch and we are obviously still playing it. I don't think there will be THAT many new-formed 1h cavalry guys, if anything started to crawl out of their maggot lairs its definitely the throwers.

Edit: Dado, Idzo, X4, Executive Outcomes, feel free to continue the list.....

The thing is, 1h cav was just plain horrible compared to lance cav. 1h need tankhorses and lancers don't. Now that lancers got nerfed, we will see more dedicated 1h cav hopefully.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Nihtgenga on July 11, 2011, 09:25:29 pm
You all asked for lancers to be nerfed.

who and where?
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Punisher on July 11, 2011, 09:28:30 pm
Lancers are fine, played a bit on EU1 earlier and on Field by the River top players on each team were lancers, one had 40-5 k/d, which would be impossible if it would be as bad as people claim on the forums. It just takes some skill now with the narrower lance angle then it did before. Also don't forget Heavy Lance got +7 speed as compensation.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 09:29:10 pm
who and where?


Countless, lost amongst the horde asking for nerfs to one handed, 2 handed, shields, polearms, horses, arrows, throwing, crossbows, rocks, fists, skill... etc
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 09:29:41 pm
who and where?

Game balance/suggestions forum? For the past couple of months the main complaints in there have been about OP lancers  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Nihtgenga on July 11, 2011, 11:28:01 pm
Game balance/suggestions forum? For the past couple of months the main complaints in there have been about OP lancers  :rolleyes:

if whining would have had an impact, all classes would have been nerfed, see below


Countless, lost amongst the horde asking for nerfs to one handed, 2 handed, shields, polearms, horses, arrows, throwing, crossbows, rocks, fists, skill... etc
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 11:44:18 pm
if whining would have had an impact, all classes would have been nerfed, see below

Yes but the burf/nerf horse threads had 20 some pages and were top of the forums for a long long time. None of the other threads got that much attention except buff throwing. O and look those are the two big things that the patch changed  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Felix on July 12, 2011, 08:32:55 pm
Yes but the burf/nerf horse threads had 20 some pages and were top of the forums for a long long time. None of the other threads got that much attention except buff throwing. O and look those are the two big things that the patch changed  :rolleyes:

And with throwing buffed, we, cav, didn't get our hp/armor horse buff. This patch is really hitting us hard. My rate of survivability has harshly dwindled - horse is harder to control now and has less speed.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: bonekuukkeli on July 12, 2011, 08:38:30 pm
When you nerf everything that actually kills cavalry... .Archers, HA, lancers....  this is what happens.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Cyclopsided on July 12, 2011, 09:29:45 pm
WHAT IS THIS THREAD ANYWAYS

--->Way more cav present in all forms on battle servers, not just lancers but 1h and 2h cav. All viable now.
--> Cav saying they are nerfed -- but now they are way more diverse and there are much more of them
->Stuff that counters cav was nerfed -- except throwing, pikes, etc which are more effective now...?
>All the heavy horse users are about to run out of money due to increased repairs, just you watch. No need ot complain. They saved up for a rainy day.

IDK guys, cavalry looks good to me.
I don't think any of the cav can complain right now.
Title: Re: Cavalry everywhere, HELP
Post by: Gortha on July 12, 2011, 09:46:53 pm
1H Cav is surging because Lancer Cav is less effective against other cav.

As it sould.
Sword-Cav is for hunting lancecav...