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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ming on July 11, 2011, 05:51:43 pm
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As a HA today i went on the cheapest horse possible. The higher breaking chance for arrows making the upkeep together from arrows and horses impossible to keep up even with really low cheap armor and the cheaper tadar arrows.
I lost 25k after about 2.5 hours of gameplay as HA.
This higher breaking chance for arrows really need a fix to keep the HAs alive in game. Recently quite a few HAs going other class. I still see 1 HA rarely now on EU1 earlier, but after contacting with Hentzi and Cris i heard that they were also bleeding money. It is now near impossible to not loss money when u play HA.
( for all these lance haters.. guess what? , its the HAs who dehorse those fucking backstab lancers.)
Hope the balance team can see this post.
Thanks in advance.
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Currently wearing 31k and making money but up and down between multipliers.
25k at x1 seems fine. Maybe aim for that?
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Currently wearing 31k and making money but up and down between multipliers.
25k at x1 seems fine. Maybe aim for that?
k ill do that . :) and wtf my arrows break 70% of the time.
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k ill do that . :) and wtf my arrows break 70% of the time.
They deliberately made it where arrows break much more often.
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Upkeep was made to not loose money at 25k. If you're at 38k + playing archer with 2 quiver, then yes, you'll loose money.
Regular arrows are the only one to take now, since there's enough damage already, you just want one quiver with as many arrows as 2 quiver of bodkin ones. And less expensive.
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18k equip, lost 10 k, got scared, didn't played since.
Crossbow (middle one) >800 to repair. Pre-patch I repaired arbalest for 934, lol. Upkeep is WAY too high + now weapons (most expensive what I wear) break almost ALWAYS (xbow got broken 3\4 matches. 145 WPF, IMO that's not "low wpf" mentioned in patch notes)
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I'm riding around on my horse at 21k and making decent money.
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the titles says everything, i lost 15k this morning using 38k equip in 1 hour.
pls change ur avatar first :lol: (just kidding :wink: )
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And bam, upkeep fixed for new patch, 8-10% higher then normal in theory from pre-patch standards.
Rejoice!
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Upkeep is too damn high
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4o-TeMHys0\
Quit playin' the silly game
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I just remembered...
I've been using 70-80 k of equipment. Oh dear... *swallows*
Win moar, my minions. Poppa needs new shoes! :twisted:
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Upkeep was made to not loose money at 25k. If you're at 38k + playing archer with 2 quiver, then yes, you'll loose money.
Regular arrows are the only one to take now, since there's enough damage already, you just want one quiver with as many arrows as 2 quiver of bodkin ones. And less expensive.
Bullshit, i lost 5 k this morning playing for 1 hour with my my old friendcher just to see what changed. And that was with x5 rounds and many x2 etc etc. I was using a tunic, no shoes, no gloves, horn bow .2 quivers and cheap ass meele weapon....Money went up and down like crazy, in the end 5k less.
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Bullshit, i lost 5 k this morning playing for 1 hour with my friendly archer just to see what changed. And that was with x5 rounds and many x2 etc etc. I was using a tunic, no shoes, no gloves, horn bow .2 quivers and cheap ass meele weapon....Money went up and down like crazy, in the end 5k less.
Probably 2 quivers of bodkin arrows, probably a melee weapon with 0 wpf wich broke each round.
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You need to wait a few days, not a few hours to get an reliable estimate of the real upkeep costs...
It's randomized, remember?
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IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY HA THEN!!! what im i gonna do with my heirlooms? 1 arab warhorse is aready 23k....fuck this.
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Probably 2 quivers of bodkin arrows, probably a melee weapon with 0 wpf wich broke each round.
no, actually im not that kind of my old friendcher, i got 90 wpf for 2h and 2 quivers of.. cant remember the name but those arrows that give you +2....
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All I can say is my Cataphract horse had to be repaired 3X in a row how nice those rounds were only 3-4 minutes too. That's over almost 11k just in 10-12 min of game play. I'm not even including the other things that got broke. I just say this because I heard things were supposed to cost more to repair but happen less didn't seem that way. And wtf I thought a glavie was a fairly cheap weapon why is it 900 to repair? If my shit is Masterwork or 3x loomed shouldn't it break less?
I actually lost 70k playing yesterday for just about 2 hours and I was only on a horse 1/2 the time playing the rest and even then only 1/2 the time on the mount was I the Cataphract.
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as long as there is cataphract and plated horses the upkeep isn't high enough
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Upkeep is still high with 0.231. Of course, less, than in 0.230, but still too high.
I'm a focking xbowman, and crossbow (middle one) is around 733 to repair ( pre-0.230 arbalest (top tier) was 934 to repair). Wtf it's basic crossbow, it's not even top-tier weapon. What, I'm supposed to use hunting crossbow if my team fails to cooperate\lacks skill? That's not my fault ffs. Upkeep should be reverted. There wasn't much tincans\heavy horses\other feared shit on the field, upkeep was doing its job ok.
Now I'm seeing lots of naked\almost naked ppl running around farming gold just to play 1 (fucking one) round with med-rier equip. wtf?
And I can't even imagine what new players (with no savings) are going through.
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There are an awful lot of peasants it must be said :shock: Easy kills for me though lol.
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Upkeep is still high with 0.231. Of course, less, than in 0.230, but still too high.
I'm a focking xbowman, and crossbow (middle one) is around 733 to repair ( pre-0.230 arbalest (top tier) was 934 to repair). Wtf it's basic crossbow, it's not even top-tier weapon. What, I'm supposed to use hunting crossbow if my team fails to cooperate\lacks skill? That's not my fault ffs. Upkeep should be reverted. There wasn't much tincans\heavy horses\other feared shit on the field, upkeep was doing its job ok.
Now I'm seeing lots of naked\almost naked ppl running around farming gold just to play 1 (fucking one) round with med-rier equip. wtf?
And I can't even imagine what new players (with no savings) are going through.
Complately agree. Nobody can afford good equipment now. +1
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People in peasant gear are 1 shot kills for me.
Made about 8k gold yesterday, after playing an hour and a half on X5. That's 90 minutes of 250 gold.
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People in peasant gear are 1 shot kills for me.
Made about 8k gold yesterday, after playing an hour and a half on X5. That's 90 minutes of 250 gold.
usually u dont get 1.5hours of x5.
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And I can't even imagine what new players (with no savings) are going through.
I remember the upkeep started when I was still a peasant, hard times, I almost left the game, but it was still viable. I really hope this isn't going to make all the new people go away.
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Now I'm seeing lots of naked\almost naked ppl running around farming gold just to play 1 (fucking one) round with med-rier equip. wtf?
Sounds a bit overstated. Just a bit.
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People in peasant gear are 1 shot kills for me.
Made about 8k gold yesterday, after playing an hour and a half on X5. That's 90 minutes of 250 gold.
1) Not everyone is an archer ( whos equip is averagely cheaper )
2) Not everyone gets to the winning team so often
3) Not all classes can use "low-armor plague" to their advantage so clearly.
At least smb can earn smth... But you got to agree, right now it's even more about pure luck than before patch. Now it's about witch team gets more archers, while pre-patch ranged kills were MUCH more rare. Everything was balanced rather good, devs should've gone with 2 tweaks :
1) 0.231 HA ( 0.230 was ridiculously useless, while pre-patch they were kinda imba (but, tbh, there wasn't so damn mauch of them and they only were a problem at the end of the match, when they'd often be last survivors))
2) 40 degrees lancing tweak. Great stuff
Sounds a bit overstated. Just a bit.
By "naked" I don't men literally naked (seen only about 3-5 of them on siege server yesterday); What I meant was "lightly armored" or "using crap equip", when the very same ppl were rocking in decent (not top) equip pre-patch, going with rags only if on VERY unlucky run.
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1) Not everyone is an archer ( whos equip is averagely cheaper )
2) Not everyone gets to the winning team so often
3) Not all classes can use "low-armor plague" to their advantage so clearly.
At least smb can earn smth... But you got to agree, right now it's even more about pure luck than before patch. Now it's about witch team gets more archers, while pre-patch ranged kills were MUCH more rare. Everything was balanced rather good, devs should've gone with 2 tweaks :
1) 0.231 HA ( 0.230 was ridiculously useless, while pre-patch they were kinda imba (but, tbh, there wasn't so damn mauch of them and they only were a problem at the end of the match, when they'd often be last survivors))
2) 40 degrees lancing tweak. Great stuff
go jump off a cliff
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go jump off a cliff
Lol I know the pain when your class is nerfed to ground (used to quit over it couple of times, lol), but you got to agree lancing as it was pre-patch was:
a) unrealistic (not rly matters to me)
b) unbalanced (slow ppl like newb peasants due to their 3 agi HAD NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE at all)
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everyone is so biased, that one say he pays too much for cav but is happy with ha nerf, other one say he pays too much for armor but is happy with lance nerf... Etc...
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everyone is so biased, that one say he pays too much for cav but is happy with ha nerf, other one say he pays too much for armor but is happy with lance nerf... Etc...
This is called being OBJECTIVE; when ppl don't scream "AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH PATCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHH IS AWFULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL REVERT REVERT" but rather discuss what's good, what's bad, what was nerfed too harsh ( HA in 0.230 ), etc.
Imo, those 2 fantastic quickfixes were possible coz forum population was objective and instead of raising a shitstorm (how it used to be in early cRPG) are trying to help devs fix thing so that this mod is more and more enjoyable.
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I have to pay 1500+ for my little flamberge :( it's quite the amount to pay :S
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Objective?! The forum community is objective?? Thx best joke this day...
Almost everyone in this forum defend is own class or weapon, except some rare smart ppl who understand that all of this is related to strat battles.
Are you objective when you say that cav nerf is ok? This means cav was op i guess??
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Mhh I made 15k yesterday in equipment worth 75k, so it seems fine for me..
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For me ukpeep costs are just fine, I'm still able to make some cash, not as much as before, but at least I'm not loosing money. I prefer to wear light equipment becouse I used to play Native so I like speed.
New upkeep costs are pain in the arse mostly for archers, my mates who plays as archers yesterday were complaining alot on TS. I suppose chadz found a way to get rid of archers :lol:.
I'll try today to play in gear for about 35k-40k and we'll see how it will affect my budget.
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Well you guys are lucky if you made money i lost 20k since the last patch with 45k worth of gears and i had good multipliers bonus.
Before that patch i was able to make money at 70k worth of gears.
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40k total gear and I didn't lose anything. Didn't gain much either, but still.
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the arrow's break chance increase really hurts...i lost another 20k today even if i went on the cheapest horse.
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if some of us were able to make money with 70k of gear then obviously something was wrong (general remark not intended to you Vieuxcrotter).
I guess raising upkeep was needed, but it seems that the problem now is new players, they gain less money, this means they have to wait more longer to wear good gear.
Well it looks like we returned in the same step before big upkeep patch, high tier equip need more works now.
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Archers noticed thingy called upkeep. Oh Noes
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Archers noticed thingy called upkeep. Oh Noes
and PoplePoop can retire that 100k equip now?
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Lol I know the pain when your class is nerfed to ground (used to quit over it couple of times, lol), but you got to agree lancing as it was pre-patch was:
a) unrealistic (not rly matters to me)
b) unbalanced (slow ppl like newb peasants due to their 3 agi HAD NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE at all)
a) lol yea crpg is a realistic game doho
b) pitchforks worked perfectly fine against horses, as do scythes and what ever kind of stuff you think of to stop down horses and preventing them from coming at you.
Just most people can't watch their rears or their back, or press down block and jump away in time.
It's far too obvious how to escape/kill cavalry, it's really damn simple but people don't use common sense too much (or the ~ button in-game)
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the arrow's break chance increase really hurts...i lost another 20k today even if i went on the cheapest horse.
Feel the sting of justice! Bowmen have had a free ride for too long.
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bump for the update
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Use regular arows, they cost only 12 gold to repair.
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+1 Ming. I lose tons of money as HA now.
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I have to pay 1500+ for my little flamberge :( it's quite the amount to pay :S
5.2k repair fee for my plated charger instead of 3.3k pre-patch.
My XL pony with plate frosting isn't getting enough sunlight lately.
[I jest]
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Honestly... I'm not sure why this wasn't done sooner. I mean, 80% of the community hates HA with a passion.
Edit: Yea upkeep is a bit much. I'm wearing peasant clothes and using a danish greatsword. Lost about 3k in 5 minutes.
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the problem for HA is...
the arrows now have higher upkeep (due to higher breaking chance)
the general upkeep also increased :(
resulting in huge money sinks
then soon...all HA will go to other classes, and ...then will be the happy day for all other lancers, 1h cavs and class will be unbalanced again.
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Objective?! The forum community is objective?? Thx best joke this day...
Almost everyone in this forum defend is own class or weapon, except some rare smart ppl who understand that all of this is related to strat battles.
Are you objective when you say that cav nerf is ok? This means cav was op i guess??
If this was true then you would not have had the horde of archers screaming "Archery is completely overpowered" when the patch hit but before the hotfix was released.
Archers noticed thingy called upkeep. Oh Noes
Before the slot system yeah non of us noticed upkeed, but after the slot system when bow price was increased by a third and Bodkins cost 256 gold each to repair, suddenly our average outfit was 30K (more if you were a Strongbow user with a real melee weapon). We noticed upkeep.
Shush now and get with the times.
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Why I feel so devs are trying to make HAing impossible? Accuracy nerfed ( true, just a bit ), my horse die like if it would be from paper, my upkeep is skyhigh, but my hurt is bigger with arrows.
I had 60k when I started to play yesterday, now I have 22k. Something is not fair :(
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they not only increased upkeep but they also increased the breaking chance for arrows. Thats why i said impossible to HA.
HA u need x3 stacks of arrows, horn bow, basic body armors, horse. (optional 1h melee weap)
with this patch all HA is losing lots of money now.
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they not only increased upkeep but they also increased the breaking chance for arrows. Thats why i said impossible to HA.
HA u need x3 stacks of arrows, horn bow, basic body armors, horse. (optional 1h melee weap)
with this patch all HA is losing lots of money now.
I say again, use regular arrows. I have made 15k since release of the patch.
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Lol I know the pain when your class is nerfed to ground (used to quit over it couple of times, lol), but you got to agree lancing as it was pre-patch was:
a) unrealistic (not rly matters to me)
b) unbalanced (slow ppl like newb peasants due to their 3 agi HAD NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE at all)
do you even think before you type?.
Lancing was way more realistic that we got here and peasants are supossed to die yes. You say it doesnt matter to you but you name it, how is that?. So you say nerf the cav coz a peasant gets killed always by it?ahahah. Retarded seriously. Then pls nerf archery coz peasants get killed in a single arrow and cant scape. Nerf polearms also, coz peasant are too slow to get away from range. And nerf stones, a stone can kill a peasant and we dont want that...
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After some short tests 40k gear sounds like a cap, wich is fine I think. Of course I need to play a bit more but after about two hours I get over 400k xp and lost 400g while fighting in eq worth 38,300.
I wouldn't consider upkeep costs as too high, now you just have to learn to manage your equipment.
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And the upkeep is not high only for HA,but for every other class...
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It is true. I played yesterday with medium gear and lost like 30k during 2 hours, although my multiplier was something about 2x in average. This never happened to me before and it looks like I will end up playing in rags soon...