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Title: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 03:44:44 am
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Exact end of round, K/D 4:1
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Christo on July 11, 2011, 03:49:17 am
Of course it won't tell how.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 03:50:54 am
This one is easy to figure out :3
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 03:51:59 am
This one is easy to figure out :3

Shush You!

Don't spoil things...
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Rhaelys on July 11, 2011, 03:54:27 am
SNSD Hwaiting! <3
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Dehitay on July 11, 2011, 03:55:00 am
Judging by the info available, it seems to be skill based. In which case, I'm screwed
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: MrShine on July 11, 2011, 04:07:36 am
Just got it as well.  After 1 round of 4 kills 1 death.   

I don't know yet what it does, but that matches ToD's same situation, so it does sound kill related. 
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 04:11:41 am
..., so it does sound kill related.

I would usually love watching you speculating and guessing around, but it might be dangerous if this rumor spreads: It's not kill related, because that would lead to killhunting And that's the last thing we want.

Now you can keep on speculating.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 04:12:28 am
I would usually love watching you speculating and guessing around, but it might be dangerous if this rumor spreads: It's not kill related, because that would lead to killhunting And that's the last thing we want.

Now you can keep on speculating.

Can't...
Stop...
Laughing...
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Christo on July 11, 2011, 04:27:09 am
Reverse-Psychology?
 :)
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Bulzur on July 11, 2011, 04:29:51 am
Siiem got it with a 2-1 score, i didn't with a 15-1 score. So... maybe not kill related, but you need at least 1 kill to show your valor on thy battlefield, probably.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Overdriven on July 11, 2011, 04:32:25 am
Using inferior weapons? Wpf? PS?

Something attribute related maybe?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: MrShine on July 11, 2011, 04:43:47 am
I would usually love watching you speculating and guessing around, but it might be dangerous if this rumor spreads: It's not kill related, because that would lead to killhunting And that's the last thing we want.

Now you can keep on speculating.

Hey where did these puppet strings come from?  8-)

So... more details that might re-create situation.
-I killed a few people back to back in a very short amount of time
- I was the last one alive
- I got it right after I died according to the screenshot
- Lvl 25, real wpf ~110, ps 7 using MW langes messer, so probably not something having to do with using an inferior weapon
- I don't see anything unusual about my attributes.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Sumofallwars on July 11, 2011, 04:49:19 am
think it gives a multiplyer

that's the going theory

also i found a bug with throwing that allows u to pick up an extra throwing lance. who should i talk to about that?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: KinG_ChriS on July 11, 2011, 04:53:57 am
yEP GIVES MULTI
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: indigocylinder on July 11, 2011, 05:23:48 am
so what did the old one do, and are those bonuses still active?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 07:22:27 am
so what did the old one do, and are those bonuses still active?

Added to crafting heirloomed items for strat, yes still active. I'm sleepy, good night.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Gondemar on July 11, 2011, 07:35:17 am
Both times I got it, I died, after doing a some damage to the enemy, and a few kills.
I think damages are counted, not kills as chadz said, so assists would count too.
Both times, end of the round, I died, and I Think I was the last of my team.
Both times, no upkeep.
Didn't saw the multiplier, but I didn't checked, I would have get it after the first tick as it's server related stuff.

My guess is when you do X time more damages to the enemy than you take (you're fighting, not hiding) and die last, you don't get any upkeep and you keep the multiplier.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: San on July 11, 2011, 07:49:21 am
I got it when I did pretty decent. I had like 7-3 or something at the moment.

I was the last one to die, though.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Oggrinsky on July 11, 2011, 08:21:57 am
I got it when I did pretty decent. I had like 7-3 or something at the moment.

I was the last one to die, though.

I got it in a similar situation. I was like 5-2 and I was the last one to die.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Vibe on July 11, 2011, 08:24:51 am
Perhaps a reward for a last stand in a losing round (giving you a multi), seeing that ToD lost the round when got that message?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Huey Newton on July 11, 2011, 08:26:59 am
SNSD Hwaiting! <3
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: chadz on July 11, 2011, 10:06:06 am
I think damages are counted, not kills as chadz said, so assists would count too.

Again, no damage either :3
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 03:45:52 pm
Odd fun fact, I was level 31 when I recieved this.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Bulzur on July 11, 2011, 04:26:04 pm
Both times I got it, I died, after doing a some damage to the enemy, and a few kills.
I think damages are counted, not kills as chadz said, so assists would count too.
Both times, end of the round, I died, and I Think I was the last of my team.
Both times, no upkeep.
Didn't saw the multiplier, but I didn't checked, I would have get it after the first tick as it's server related stuff.

My guess is when you do X time more damages to the enemy than you take (you're fighting, not hiding) and die last, you don't get any upkeep and you keep the multiplier.

Halass, it is wrong :
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Didn't check for the multiplier. Cause i agree with several things :
-you only get it if you're on the loosing team
-you only get it at the end of the round
-you don't have to be the last man standing to get it : see my screenshot as proof.

-If it's not kill/damage related, it's maybe "staying close to the ennemy" related.  :mrgreen:



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Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Radament on July 11, 2011, 05:14:19 pm
-If it's not kill/damage related, it's maybe "staying close to the ennemy" related.  :mrgreen:

Mmh not very fair for archers or xbowers , shielded players should  have a lot of advantage if this is true.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 11, 2011, 05:17:31 pm
Mmh not very fair for archers or xbowers , shielded players should  have a lot of advantage if this is true.

Maybe for xbowers, but with the new shot speed most archers are very close to the fighting anyways with the latest patch. It does not effect me to stay close to the enemy. *shrugs*
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Radament on July 11, 2011, 05:21:15 pm
yes but....it seems non-sense , just buy 2 huscarls , go in the middle of the combat and stay in parry mode till the shield is broken ---> die without honor and no-teamplay.
I just prefer something related to the teamplay instead something odd like this.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: SkyrayFox on July 11, 2011, 05:25:56 pm
Maybe you get it if you are vastly outnumbered by the enemy (10:1 or more?) but manage to survive for some time. Just speculating.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Bulzur on July 11, 2011, 05:26:55 pm
It's common knowledge that range don't have any "valour". So why not ?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Razzen on July 11, 2011, 05:31:23 pm
I was on my archer when i got it, both of the times i got it was when i was one of the last alive, I was also on the losing team both times.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Gnjus on July 11, 2011, 05:36:40 pm
Hmm....the Alamo syndrome ? Heroic last stands against overwhelming opposition ? X rounds in a row surviving for y amount of time ?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Radament on July 11, 2011, 05:37:06 pm
so :
*losing team
*last alive
...
ppl get ready to hide in a bush and charge as last man standing (spamming QAA)  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Vibe on July 11, 2011, 10:55:09 pm
Just got this, was the second last to die in a losing round, killed 5 guys before I died :) (9-2 total score)
I got x2 multi next round, even though I lost.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: SkyrayFox on July 11, 2011, 11:46:55 pm
Just got this, was the second last to die in a losing round, killed 5 guys before I died :) (9-2 total score)
I got x2 multi next round, even though I lost.

I received this message about 4 times already. From what I observed:

- Only happens when you are on the losing team, also happened once when there was a draw (you could argue both teams lost).
- You don't need to be the last one alive, but definitely one the last few people to die.
- I received it when I had 10:1 K/D ratio, other time I had a score of 1 kill 1 death so it doesn't appear to be related to K/D in any way.
- The opposing team always had a large numerous advantage before I died. (?)

Also another thing to notice: It's always a server message in a form of [SERVER]: Thy valout on the field...
The previous one wasn't a server message, just plain text. It could mean that there is no real bonus from it except for the multiplier.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Panoply on July 11, 2011, 11:59:55 pm
I feel like chadz has been careful in designing incentives such that they do not encourage and cannot be exploited by repeating specific behaviours, such as killhunting, being the last person alive, or staying close to the enemy. I mean, that's why we have the multiplier system, and both weapon breakage and smith text are based on random chance.

I have no idea what the text does yet (aside from the apparent multiplier?), but I would wager that it has more to do with random chance than any particular phenomena.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: hotcobbler on July 12, 2011, 12:07:21 am
C'mon guys, it's obviously related to most oysters shucked per round.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Baldr on July 12, 2011, 12:47:23 am
You don't pay upkeep when you get the text, it says that you do but you dont.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: okiN on July 12, 2011, 12:53:17 am
I've actually had it at least once now without being the last man standing, so that's not a real requirement.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Gondemar on July 12, 2011, 01:21:16 am
OK, got it again. I did not died last (I was in the last five players of my team), killed 3 people, and lost. I was on x5, and got on x4, after a defeat.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: hippy_with_a_scimi on July 12, 2011, 02:14:20 am
i got it twice on the same map in 3 rounds , most of the rounds were pretty epic i finished with 33-3  :D   , its not multi mine was 1x and stayed that way
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: RagnarLodbroke on July 12, 2011, 02:16:27 am
i dont care about chadztext anymore, mostly cuz it annoys me! cant fry my brain while im playing :(
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Spitfire on July 12, 2011, 03:29:09 am
I got this earlier and i found out what it was because i had x5 when i got it then we lost and instead of me having x1 it turns out i had x4 so if you get it you only lose 1 multi instead of them all and i dont know what triggers it but it has something to do with being the last one alive like x amount of time as last one alive
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: MrShine on July 12, 2011, 06:10:33 am
Got it again and confirm it adjusts multi.  Had 1x, lost, got 2x.

Last one alive (or near that) and I got a kill or two when we were greatly outnumbered (maybe 3,4 to 1?).
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 12, 2011, 06:36:24 am
Balbaroth and me have noticed that when we recieve this message and we lose, we only go down one multiplier step instead of all the way back down to X1.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Ashrik on July 12, 2011, 08:48:21 am
It took me down from x5 to x4 after losing a round.  It is about your multiplier.

Most likely is random, or from something too hard/obscure to work out.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Vibe on July 12, 2011, 09:18:13 am
Agree here, could even be a random chance for the last 1-5 survivors to get it.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Nihtgenga on July 12, 2011, 09:21:25 am
I got it today on my low level alt, beeing the last one on my team, with about 1:1 k/d ratio.

aswell I dealt some damage when I was last
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: okiN on July 12, 2011, 09:41:07 am
It took me down from x5 to x4 after losing a round.  It is about your multiplier.

Most likely is random, or from something too hard/obscure to work out.

When I had it on the losing team at x1, I think it actually boosted me to x2. The adjustment must depend on what multi you have; x3 or more probably reduces by one, while x1 or x2 gives a bonus multi. Or maybe x2 or x3 means no adjustment, I dunno. Something like that.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Felix on July 12, 2011, 01:43:13 pm
I was the last survivor as well. So "valour" here means that you survived long enough or something like that.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Polobow on July 12, 2011, 02:59:49 pm
Alright, things that are true and/or happened alot in the chadztext:
-It's not kills related, as chadz stated.
-It's not damage related, as chadz stated.
-It seems it is only for the losing team.
-If you get it, you will not lose your multiplier, or gain a multiplier as okiN said.
-All the people who got it were the last guy alive OR one of the last guys alive.


Now, let's look at the text itself.
"Thy valour on the field of battle hath been rewarded"

What i think, is that you are courageous even when you are outnumbered. You try to even the odds again when you are losing, and your team is almost dead. Succeeding in that will reward your daring action with a multiplier/lesser multiplier penalty.
This makes people still to fight on, instead of to go kiting as an archer.

valour - the qualities of a hero or heroine; exceptional or heroic courage when facing danger (especially in battle); "he showed great heroism in battle"; "he received a medal for valor"
Heroïsm.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Ozin on July 12, 2011, 03:17:12 pm
Perhaps it is a reward that is given by admins on the server? (suggested by rufio on our ts)
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 12, 2011, 04:04:07 pm
Perhaps it is a reward that is given by admins on the server? (suggested by rufio on our ts)

Our Admins were clueless. This would also lead to more Admin Ab00ze! <3
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Siiem on July 12, 2011, 04:07:47 pm
Gotten it quite alot lately and it seems quite random to me :S and once I got it after the last guy died even though I had allready died for like over a minute ago  :|
Title: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: HarunYahya on July 14, 2011, 12:55:18 am
I had x5,i got the chadztext . All guys died i was the last one i fought but i failed .We lost the round sadly :( .On the new round i realized i didn't lose my x5,it became x4 while others in my team had x1 !
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Delro on July 14, 2011, 12:57:33 am
Yup. The real question is how exactly do you get that? People have reported not being last alive and getting it. People have reported varying scores and time left on the clock. I'm thinking it may be something like a random chance for the last 3-5 left alive with less than maybe 2-3 minutes on the clock.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Ming on July 14, 2011, 12:57:39 am
change ur gay pic pls, Koyama.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 14, 2011, 01:00:32 am
I had x5,i got the chadztext . All guys died i was the last one i fought but i failed .We lost the round sadly :( .On the new round i realized i didn't lose my x5,it became x4 while others in my team had x1 !

We, um... NA knows already  :mrgreen:
Also if you get it while at a X1, then you will go to X2 even if you lose. wheeeeeeeeee


Yup. The real question is how exactly do you get that? People have reported not being last alive and getting it. People have reported varying scores and time left on the clock. I'm thinking it may be something like a random chance for the last 3-5 left alive with less than maybe 2-3 minutes on the clock.
Now this is the real question.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Jarlek on July 14, 2011, 01:20:26 am
Wasn't this solved 1 day after it was first discovered? Again, the remaining puzzle is what triggers it, as mentioned above.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Elindor on July 14, 2011, 01:22:03 am
interesting....i had kinda suggested some minor reward for people who did well but whose team still lost.....

be interested to know what the trigger is exactly...but ultimately doesnt matter, just do your best!
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: HarunYahya on July 14, 2011, 01:43:05 am
I think its random chance for last ones alive.
And my gay pic is a famous singer in Bulgaria,his name is Azis do not judge people by their look .
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: San on July 14, 2011, 03:23:44 am
Yesterday, I received this again, but my team didn't exactly lose. The time ran out.

After helping my team make a really nice comeback, we ended up chasing an HA for the last minute and a half. There were 10 seconds left so I tried to charge the HA. At 2 seconds left I jumped and lunged in with my awlpike and was shot at point blank range and died. There were a few others trying to chase this cav, so the game tied and I received it.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: partyboy on July 14, 2011, 04:52:25 am
I got this from tking two people by accident, so cash in on that I guess
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on July 14, 2011, 08:59:14 am
My experience: I've gotten this several times, usually after a kill-streak near the end of the round.  My theory is the text is awarded either a) after a killstreak of X size, or b) if you kill X more players than the next highest person on your team.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: SkyrayFox on July 14, 2011, 10:27:37 am
My experience: I've gotten this several times, usually after a kill-streak near the end of the round.  My theory is the text is awarded either a) after a killstreak of X size, or b) if you kill X more players than the next highest person on your team.

Doubt it.

A) chadz said its not kills related. This is to prevent kill stealing.
B) I received it when I had only 1 kill and 1 death. Maybe you just need at least 1 kill to trigger it, this is to make sure you are not just camping. Or maybe not related to K/D at all (it's just that people who survived that long usually get some kills anyway).
C) I doubt it's easily reproducible, there has to be some chance involved. Otherwise it will just encourage people to camp and not contribute to the team.

Random chance for the last few people alive seems like a good guess.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Siiem on July 14, 2011, 10:59:35 am
A) chadz said its not kills related. This is to prevent kill stealing.

What game have you been playing?? Knock a guy down and see your team mates attention instantly change.
Title: Re: Mystery of the new chadztext solved !
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2011, 11:16:31 am
What game have you been playing?? Knock a guy down and see your team mates attention instantly change.

So true :D
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Arn_Magnusson on July 14, 2011, 02:08:22 pm
I've got it when I was last man standing (:D) and 4 guys raped me with pole and 2h, I died and recevied this.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Apsod on July 14, 2011, 04:00:25 pm
I think it might happen when the enemies are a certain percent more than your team. Like if you are 5 left on your team fighting 25 enemies it would maybe happen.

I do think it only happens sometimes when those requirements are met. Maybe if the enemies are x2 the number of you there is a 10% chance it happens, and if the enemies are x3 there are a 20% chance it happens, and so on.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Polobow on July 17, 2011, 09:50:11 pm
Like i said previously, it's doing something heroïc trying to regain the favour as the end of the battle is closing. Refer to page 4 for my post.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Banok on July 18, 2011, 02:27:21 am
sounds cool but why not have upkeep depend on "valor" instead of win/lose anyway ;P

edit: I guess the game might lose all challenge then.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Miranda on July 18, 2011, 05:35:23 am
I think its when you kill chadz when hes playing one of his alts!  :D

Nah honestly i dont have a clue, but that would be my guess.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Ming on July 18, 2011, 10:21:23 am
I think it might happen when the enemies are a certain percent more than your team. Like if you are 5 left on your team fighting 25 enemies it would maybe happen.

I do think it only happens sometimes when those requirements are met. Maybe if the enemies are x2 the number of you there is a 10% chance it happens, and if the enemies are x3 there are a 20% chance it happens, and so on.

its very logical for them to put something like this, coz then ppl can abuse less about this mechanism.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: dregh94 on July 18, 2011, 06:50:25 pm
I have received this message 100 times and never understand why ?What mean?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 18, 2011, 07:38:31 pm
I have received this message 100 times and never understand why ?What mean?

If you lost then the following happens:
X1 modifier goes to X2

High multipliers only go down one step instead of all the way back down to X1.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Heroin on July 19, 2011, 08:34:32 pm
Maybe it's a random chance based on proximity to a high number of enemies, and low number of allies upon death once 2/3 of your team is gone. Like, charging superior forces alone as a last ditch effort = valor.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdyxF6kIrlg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdyxF6kIrlg)
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on July 20, 2011, 02:05:21 am
Maybe it's a random chance based on proximity to a high number of enemies, and low number of allies upon death once 2/3 of your team is gone. Like, charging superior forces alone as a last ditch effort = valor.

That sounds about right. I got it twice when I was one of the last 2-3 guys alive. I basically got gang raped, killed none of them, died, and got the message.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Heroin on July 20, 2011, 11:43:03 am
It makes me sad that no one has commented on the epic youtube link displaying "magnificent valor".  :cry:
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: BranStark on July 22, 2011, 05:35:14 am
I've never had this new text pop up, and I play every single day. Didn't have that problem with the old text, either.

Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: kongxinga on July 25, 2011, 04:25:16 am
Alright, things that are true and/or happened alot in the chadztext:
-It's not kills related, as chadz stated.
-It's not damage related, as chadz stated.
-It seems it is only for the losing team.
-If you get it, you will not lose your multiplier, or gain a multiplier as okiN said.
-All the people who got it were the last guy alive OR one of the last guys alive.


Now, let's look at the text itself.
"Thy valour on the field of battle hath been rewarded"

What i think, is that you are courageous even when you are outnumbered. You try to even the odds again when you are losing, and your team is almost dead. Succeeding in that will reward your daring action with a multiplier/lesser multiplier penalty.
This makes people still to fight on, instead of to go kiting as an archer.

valour - the qualities of a hero or heroine; exceptional or heroic courage when facing danger (especially in battle); "he showed great heroism in battle"; "he received a medal for valor"
Heroïsm.


Sorry I am not believing it is not kill related.

Life of horse archers is hard, and their work is underappreciated. I consider it a good day when I dehorse 4 players, and pin down a top level cav man by forcing him to react and dodge my shots. I will often hit many and kill none, which is not a surprise given the low damage output of the HA. 0 kills, one extra death, since these dont count on that kill board. But hey, if dehorsing that star enemy cav saved 4-5 tin cans on my team, I am happy.

On bad days I might kill 2 afkers, and a peasant, making it 3 for my death. However, I still consider it a bad day if due to the lack of effective horse archers dehorsing enemy cav, too many tunnel visioners on your team died, causing a loss.

From my experience, I get valour for the bad days (multiple useless kills) especially since the team lost due to the enemy cav arm killing all the tunnel visioning tin cans. I never get valour for good days (dehorsing entire enemy team, last few arrows to pop a few shots from behind at archers, no kills, but team almost, almost got it, but lost for some reason, most likely ghosting).

Why am I being rewarded for NOT helping the team and pursuing my own +1 on the board? The times where I make a few afk and peasant kills and die leaves enemy cav free to roam and pick off tin cans, causing a crippling defeat, I get valour, while the times I dodge multiple lancers trying to trap me and shoot all the horses down, almost letting the team win, I do not get valour.

As a HA I am very sensitive to this. Most of the time when I suppress enemy cav, no valour. But when I go kill grubbing like those people who only care about KD I get valour. I can almost switch the valour message at will by altering my behavior. Kill grub=valour. Help team=sorry sucker.

Can we fix it so that doing the important things get valour, not the kill related things. I play for the team, not for the KD, and I could care less about Kd, mine or anyone elses. Like many statistics, it can be gamed, so I don't pay too much attention to it.

 Now KD defenders might say those 3 peasants might have turned the tide. I say balderdash. If I down a hotshot cav while he is making an attack run, he gets mobbed and dies, thats good, since when I get forced into spec early I often watch these hotshots pick off guy after guy (4-8 kills etc, so people get more situational awareness). Even if he does not get mobbed and starts dueling, he might only get 3 kills without horse, yielding a net lives saved of 1-5 for example. One of these lives saved could be the hot shot tin can duelers, who could net 4 kills before dying. add these up for each cav you dehorse, and it is looking very significant.

In contrast, what could the 2 afkers and the peasant do?
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: ShinySpoons on July 25, 2011, 05:03:20 am
As an archer I was surrounded by 4 guys, last alive, killed one, got message.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Thucydides on July 25, 2011, 12:17:45 pm
i got it twice in a row, saving my X5 twice on a single map. Both times i killed 4-5 people then get couched by this one really good cav. Its definitely kill related.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Sarosu on August 01, 2011, 03:23:40 pm
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Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Dexxtaa on August 01, 2011, 03:29:10 pm
Maybe it's a random chance based on proximity to a high number of enemies, and low number of allies upon death once 2/3 of your team is gone. Like, charging superior forces alone as a last ditch effort = valor.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdyxF6kIrlg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdyxF6kIrlg)

I got valor hiding in a cabbage shed.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Heroin on August 01, 2011, 03:37:11 pm
Yeah, I know what you mean. Having experienced it more frequently, I got it as a peasant who got glitched and stuck in a bucket the whole round.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Polobow on August 01, 2011, 05:23:29 pm

Sorry I am not believing it is not kill related.
I would usually love watching you speculating and guessing around, but it might be dangerous if this rumor spreads: It's not kill related, because that would lead to killhunting And that's the last thing we want.

Now you can keep on speculating.

 I don't think you can fight this :/. If he says it, he is either trolling or saying the truth. Since his other posts were also serious, i think he is saying the truth.



Life of horse archers is hard, and their work is underappreciated. I consider it a good day when I dehorse 4 players, and pin down a top level cav man by forcing him to react and dodge my shots. I will often hit many and kill none, which is not a surprise given the low damage output of the HA. 0 kills, one extra death, since these dont count on that kill board. But hey, if dehorsing that star enemy cav saved 4-5 tin cans on my team, I am happy.

On bad days I might kill 2 afkers, and a peasant, making it 3 for my death. However, I still consider it a bad day if due to the lack of effective horse archers dehorsing enemy cav, too many tunnel visioners on your team died, causing a loss.

From my experience, I get valour for the bad days (multiple useless kills) especially since the team lost due to the enemy cav arm killing all the tunnel visioning tin cans. I never get valour for good days (dehorsing entire enemy team, last few arrows to pop a few shots from behind at archers, no kills, but team almost, almost got it, but lost for some reason, most likely ghosting).

 I have no explanation for your valour-experience. You have never gotten valour when you only dehorsed enemies? Have you dehorsed them when you were one of the last on your teams, or was it at the beginning or in the middle of the battle? You have to be atleast one of the last to be able to receive it. If you were dehorsing them when you were one of the last, maybe this doesn't count for horses. If that is so, they should fix it.



Why am I being rewarded for NOT helping the team and pursuing my own +1 on the board? The times where I make a few afk and peasant kills and die leaves enemy cav free to roam and pick off tin cans, causing a crippling defeat, I get valour, while the times I dodge multiple lancers trying to trap me and shoot all the horses down, almost letting the team win, I do not get valour.

As a HA I am very sensitive to this. Most of the time when I suppress enemy cav, no valour. But when I go kill grubbing like those people who only care about KD I get valour. I can almost switch the valour message at will by altering my behavior. Kill grub=valour. Help team=sorry sucker.

Can we fix it so that doing the important things get valour, not the kill related things. I play for the team, not for the KD, and I could care less about Kd, mine or anyone elses. Like many statistics, it can be gamed, so I don't pay too much attention to it.

 Unless you are just very unlucky and never gotten it when you dehorsed people, i agree, fix it. I still don't think it is kill related because chadz said so, saying it would lead to killhunting, but maybe he forgot horses to influence it?



Now KD defenders might say those 3 peasants might have turned the tide. I say balderdash. If I down a hotshot cav while he is making an attack run, he gets mobbed and dies, thats good, since when I get forced into spec early I often watch these hotshots pick off guy after guy (4-8 kills etc, so people get more situational awareness). Even if he does not get mobbed and starts dueling, he might only get 3 kills without horse, yielding a net lives saved of 1-5 for example. One of these lives saved could be the hot shot tin can duelers, who could net 4 kills before dying. add these up for each cav you dehorse, and it is looking very significant.

 Might i say you are doing a fine job as a HA?

Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: MrShine on August 01, 2011, 05:40:58 pm
Well I think we can all agree that:

1- There is some random % chance factor
2- You typically will receive this towards the end of the round if you are one of the few remaining
3- You only get it when you lose the round

I'm generally getting kills when I'm the last alive or near the last, so when I get this I can't really differentiate.  Are there any instances of people getting this while NOT contributing to their team at the end? ie dying without getting hits in, or being afk and returning to see you got the message, etc?

Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Heroin on August 01, 2011, 06:56:50 pm
Are there any instances of people getting this while NOT contributing to their team at the end? ie dying without getting hits in, or being afk and returning to see you got the message, etc?
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As I said in my previous post, I got this as a peasant, who got stuck in a bucket the entire round, never landed a single hit, and got shot at the end.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: MrShine on August 01, 2011, 07:30:43 pm
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As I said in my previous post, I got this as a peasant, who got stuck in a bucket the entire round, never landed a single hit, and got shot at the end.

oh whoops, well there you go then.

(THAT is the definition of 'magnificent valor'!)
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Casimir on August 02, 2011, 01:15:43 am
this is great, getting it all the time for running in in full plate with a flamberge when there's only a few of us left and defeat is certain. Stand there and get beaten around abit and get my valor rewarded, great!
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Akryn on August 11, 2011, 05:32:11 pm
I was on X3 or X4, lost the round but got valour. Next round I have a X2.

Is this normal? I've read a lot of people saying that they had say a X3, got valour and then had a X4.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Dunecat on August 11, 2011, 05:36:12 pm

Is this normal?
Yes it is.
Increased modifier to next round value, regardless of victory or defeat, it seems.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on August 14, 2011, 04:18:09 pm
Yes it is.
Increased modifier to next round value, regardless of victory or defeat, it seems.

cool, i like that.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: ShinySpoons on August 14, 2011, 09:02:50 pm
I was on X3 or X4, lost the round but got valour. Next round I have a X2.

Is this normal? I've read a lot of people saying that they had say a X3, got valour and then had a X4.

Also, the modifier doesn't show that it's changed until the first tick. So you'll start the round with a x2 or x1 or whatever and at the tick it'll show the correct value. You will also get the adjusted exp, not a x1.
Title: Re: New chadz Text found!
Post by: Banok on August 14, 2011, 09:20:15 pm
been getting this a fair bit but once I got and all I did was kill a horse and then run through the mob and make them hit each other, dont think I even did any damage to players but maybe I remember wrong.