Islam, religion of peace!
You stupid, nothing about Islam, just about terrorrismOh yes, total coincidence of course, nothing at all to do with Islam, you retarded kafir.
It has nothing to do with Islam!!!! The fact that all Arab Muslim countries are fucked up is just a COINCIDENCE!!!!
People are too scared to call a spade a spade. There's no excuse for the politicians who knew this was coming and still put their own countrymen at risk for cheap labor and votes, it's worse than treason.Yeah, but we'll see now. Especially if it turns out these guys were migrants, or some of them were. Going to be hard to weasel out of this one for the politicians.
Islam, religion of peace!
It has nothing to do with Islam!!!! The fact that all Arab Muslim countries are fucked up is just a COINCIDENCE!!!!
USA is muslim ?I have no idea how your 50 IQ brain got that out of what I said.
USA is muslim ?usa black prisoners maybe.
Islam, religion of peace!
Christianity, a religion that killed 10 mio jews. Dude, saying that is like saying that all christians are chocolate chip cookies.
Christianity, a religion that killed 10 mio jews. Dude, saying that is like saying that all christians are chocolate chip cookies.What?
Christianity, a religion that killed 10 mio jews. Dude, saying that is like saying that all christians are chocolate chip cookies.
i dont think na.zis were praising the lord when they were sending jews to concentration camps... but i'm sure as hell those fucktards in france were calling for allah while shooting the people.
Those were nationalists not religious fanatics. Do millions of Germans continue to support Fascism today? Were they all held accountable for supporting directly or indirectly the chocolate chip cookies?
That shit wasn't lasting long enough to be called a religion but it had the all elements. Leader who is also a savior, whose will is ultimate. Iconography, rituals, they had everything. They were nationalists but also fanatics.
I would definately call both, chocolate chip cookies and isis or whoever did that, a religion, but I would never say that both are only a bit compareable to Christianity and islamDo you even know what a religion is?
You stupid, nothing about Islam, just about terrorrism
http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/video/2015/03/23/attentats-au-yemen-des-images-d-amateur-montrent-l-explosion-a-l-interieur-d-une-des-mosquees_4599520_3218.html
Look video, mulsims put bombs into mosques to kill other muslims
The proof that muslims are as stupid as other pple...
Islam as a religion has nothing to do with it. It's just a tool for controlling mass (zealots) and showing illusion of cause for such actions to the world while having real goals hidden.
Dang, American shooters have to up their game. 140 dead is crazy!
You already see how the extreme leftist-indoctrination has worked out, many people in local social media networks and groups are convinced the attacks were done by facists or the government itself, and they were shouting allah akbar just to make muslims look bad.
Omg, I can't eat as much as I want to vomit, how can people be so dumb.
Quote from a woman: "The attackers are fanatics, extremists, terrorists, and chocolate chip cookies are fanatics., extremists and terrorists too. It must have been chocolate chip cookies."
WHAT THE FUCK?
And in case you missed the forest, let me help you see it.
Turkey and the US armed and trained isis to overthrow the bad Assad, they failed and bred a snake they can'n control, and europpe is paying the price with blood. And the Turks have the audacity to blackmail eu for money and membership, such cunts they are.
Im glad and sad at the same time, sad because europeans died and glad because the europeans will wake the fuck up and realize that the goatfuckers not only must gtfo of europe, but they must be annihilated aswell.
Its time for actions, if we fail now to act, we may bend for the goatfuckers aswell.
USA is muslim ?
Those are some harsh accusations to make without any proof, seems like you vastly oversimplified things to fit your own narrative, especially since the US has been fighting them for over 10 years, different name, same people. The last time I asked someone to show some kind of proof of this they posted call of duty screenshots.
By the way ISIS has been steadily losing territory for the last few years now, alot of those people running to Europe are probably from their former controlled areas.
Im glad and sad at the same time, sad because europeans died and glad because the europeans will wake the fuck up and realize that the goatfuckers not only must gtfo of europe, but they must be annihilated aswell.
Of course, this is utterly false, there are countless of examples of religions being functional and secularized in the west, Islam as well.
Bad business, anyone affected have my sympathies.A reasonable start would be by making it so it's another kind of Islam being preached in mosques other than the ultra-conservative orthodox Salafi variant and stop giving the Saudi and Qatari regimes that spread it across the world a carte blanche.
In case people didn't know, ISIS have taken responsibility for this horrible act.
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions in this thread, especially when it comes to ISIS and their intent. They [ISIS] have very clearly stated that their aim is to create black and white narrative, where Muslims are forced to choice their faith or the western world, and that these two things cannot co-exist.
Of course, this is utterly false, there are countless of examples of religions being functional and secularized in the west, Islam as well.
If the intent is to defeat ISIS, then force alone will not work. The west needs to find it's own counter-narrative that it can spin. Cracking down in Islam will only benefit ISIS and other fanatics.
Islam works like this: To be a Muslim you believe God's omnipotent, knows everything and is basically the best. Therefore if God says that a robber's punishment should be crucifixion as an example in the Quran and you would disagree saying that the punishment is wrong, then you are basically saying you know better than God and are therefore committing one of the greatest sins in Islam.
God says -> you believe it is the best. No questions asked.
A reasonable start would be by making it so it's another kind of Islam being preached in mosques other than the ultra-conservative orthodox Salafi variant and stop giving the Saudi and Qatari regimes that spread it across the world a carte blanche.
Bad business, anyone affected have my sympathies.Force alone will certainly work, it's just a question of whether the western public can stomach it yet. That point will come after enough of these attacks.
In case people didn't know, ISIS have taken responsibility for this horrible act.
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions in this thread, especially when it comes to ISIS and their intent. They [ISIS] have very clearly stated that their aim is to create black and white narrative, where Muslims are forced to choice their faith or the western world, and that these two things cannot co-exist.
Of course, this is utterly false, there are countless of examples of religions being functional and secularized in the west, Islam as well.
If the intent is to defeat ISIS, then force alone will not work. The west needs to find it's own counter-narrative that it can spin. Cracking down in Islam will only benefit ISIS and other fanatics.
I actually agree with this. The Wahhabi movement has corrupted Islam so far from the Quran it's unbelievable. Which is odd because it's supposed to do the opposite but they have only made themselves extremists and through fear and heavy backing in Saudi have forced much of the Muslim world to accept it's views. Particularly in areas where it's impossible to question them.A way to do it in Western countries could be to demand that Sunni imams be trained at public universities, just like Christian priests (at least that's how it works here), and simply just ban Wahhabism as incompatible with Western values. I'd of course much rather see religion be banned altogether in the West, but that remains a pipe dream for now.
If you read about Islamic cultures all around the world before the rise of the Wahhabi's the contrast is stark.
A way to do it in Western countries could be to demand that Sunni imams be trained at public universities, just like Christian priests (at least that's how it works here), and simply just ban Wahhabism as incompatible with Western values. I'd of course much rather see religion be banned altogether in the West, but that remains a pipe dream for now.
Then politically and economically isolate the Gulf States and their oil wealth that is currently funding and building Wahhabi-influenced mosques all over the Western world.
aha-ha AHAHAHAH
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I'm not 100% sure on how it works in the UK but I know the Imam of our local mosque was trained at a special school for it. Fortunately it seems he was taught well as he is particularly opposed to extremist views and often gives very sensible and educated lectures on Islam. Perhaps if those schools were regulated it would make sense.Saddam used to have a lot of US support aswell, diplomatic aswell as being offered advanced weaponry just like the Gulf States are now. Eventually the relationship will come to an abrupt end.
Problem is that's never going to happen. The gulf nations have too much support from the US and other western nations.
The punishment for theft isn't crucifiction.
Get your facts straight.
'As for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off the hand of either of them in requital for what they have wrought, as a deterrent ordained by God: for God is almighty, wise(5:38). But as for him who repents after having thus done wrong, and makes amends, behold, God will accept his repentance: verily, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.(5:39)'
If you are sorry for your crime you cannot be punished.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter
The report narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them both), who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made a peace treaty with Abu Barzah Hilaal ibn ‘Awaymir al-Aslami. Some people came, wanting to embrace Islam, and they were ambushed by the companions of Abu Barzah. Then Jibreel (peace be upon him) brought to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the revelation of the punishment for killing and stealing property, which is to be killed and crucified, and the punishment for killing without stealing, which is to be killed… Whoever steals property but does not kill should have his hand and foot from opposite sides cut off. Whoever becomes Muslim, Islam cancels out whatever deeds came before it at the time of shirk.” (Tafseer al-Tabari, 10/260-261).
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.
Force alone will certainly work, it's just a question of whether the western public can stomach it yet. That point will come after enough of these attacks.
..What? For a starters did I ever say theft? I said robbery.
The context of this verse is when some strangers came to Muhammed and converted. They were ill so Muhammed sent them to a local sheepherd who they murdered and robbed. These robbers were brutally punished by the Muslims. Crucifixion is common amongst muslims, as a punishment against apostates, robbers and murders etc.
How about you get your facts straight?
Lol the West is filled with stupid fucking cunts like Heskey and Overdriven who were bloviating before the bodies were even cold that ultimately this is all the fault of the West and we should just accept our commeupance stoically. Oh yes and keep importing more people from this collective that has no allegiance, respect or attachment to any Western values or identities. We owe it to them to make our entire identities and countries catalysts to change their barbaric and backwards views to a more "modern" perspective. The occasional bloodbath of kaffir facing the righteous wrath of Allah's fanboys is merely growing pains of the beautiful future of multicultural peace and understanding that lies before us. Give it a few more generations of exposure to our superior way of life and all the violent fanatics will melt away like morning dew before the sun.
The West is filled with stupid cunts like you who decided who was behind this attack and why before the bodies were even cold, and before you had any evidence.Because it's obvious to anyone with even half a brain?
Poor muslim people, they just have no agency or will, literally like children on the world stage, all martyrs opressed by random powerful influences. They become murderous fanatics through no fault of their own, of course. To suggest that Islam is responsible on any level would be blasphemy. The West and all the people therein are collectively guilty, and general retribution is expected and understood, because muslims are understood to be like children who can't control themselves, they merely react to external stimuli. But muslims are also individuals, you can't just blame the tens of thousands of murderous muslim fanatics all over the planet on their whole collective! Any generalized attribution to Islam as a whole is merely irrational racist biggotry.
Stupid fucking hypocritical muslim asshole, every single only of your responses to this event has been about how ultimately the real victims, are, drumroll, the poor opressed muslims. Fucking bored of these idiot cunts living in first world countries, literally the most tolerant and permissive places on the entire planet, pretending they're living under some sort of totalitarian colonialist racist regime that "opresses" them.
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Your a prime example of how this works. Fed bullshit by the media and politicians for a decade since 9/11 about the evil of Islam. And it's worked wonders. You are 100% on the side of those who preach just as much hate against Islam as many Muslims do against the West. You are part of the problem.
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Nowhere in the Quran is stoning mentioned as a punishment either. That came later a result of the Hadiths and as a result for many Muslims is entirely unacceptable as a punishment. Unfortunately it is upheld by the more conservative followers of Islam as they pay far too much attention to the Hadiths.
The West is filled with stupid cunts like you who decided who was behind this attack and why before the bodies were even cold, and before you had any evidence.
Karasu drops pithy condescending one liner and locks thread. Classic. How about expanding on your views in this thread Karasu? Or do you do it only when you can be certain no one will respond?
What I do not understand is why a person would call himself a follower of a religion, which includes faith in a God that is omnipotent and has eternal knowledge, and then handpicks parts of the religion making it suitable to secular ideals that aren't even derived from that religion. And just to be clear, there are still messed up things in the Quran too, e.g. permission to marry a child before puberty (which the Prophet himself did in the hadith).
Karasu drops pithy condescending one liner and locks thread. Classic. How about expanding on your views in this thread Karasu? Or do you do it only when you can be certain no one will respond?
No, the West is filled with stupid politicians who knew there was a high probability of this happening and let them come in anyways not giving a fuck about their own people, people like you elected them. Thousands of Muslims are celebrating the attack openly on twitter and other social media outlets. People are sick of the crocodile tears, even a Turk on here said the truth, alot of Muslims condone this and celebrate it whether it's openly or behind closed doors.
Moderators closed his thread and muted him???
What was their reasoning for that?
I would imagine he locked the thread to have only one thread for this subject. Since merging two 7-8 page long threads would have probably looked just as confusing as Syrian battlefront right now.
The "moderate" muslims wouldn't be considered "moderate" if it wasn't for the sizeable complement of useful idiot dhimmis constantly apologizing for all the blatant social and political transgressions in which muslims are disproportionately represented.
We didn't love muslims hard enough. We didn't clap hard enough when refugees got off the train. We didn't make our daughters give enough hugs and kisses to refugees. Why didn't we listen?
Overdriven it's one of the inherent contradictions I see in islam. Supposedly Mohammed forbade graven images of himself because he did not want to be worshipped as an idol. He kind of failed if that was his purpose, because there are so, so many ways Mohammed is worshipped as an idol by muslims, to the point, as you mention, that mere criticism of anything he may ever have done or thought is considered heresy. For most muslims he was clearly more than just a "morally excellent" man (a fucking bullshit, biased, facile interpretation in the first place, but you're a brainwashed cunt so I'll let it slide), and this isn't a somehow new interpretation. Seriously, you're barely a fucking muslim bro. You and people like you are non-existent in the grand scheme of things. You're the worst kind of Buffet-Muslim Basnak describes, because you choose to ignore 99% of what your religion truly entails for the vast majority of it's practitioners.
That old fart is a moron overall (not saying that Islam isn't a derpy religion though). I thought we wouldn't see more of those vids here when Wayyyne got banned from the forums.Who cares what he's like "overall"?
I'd love it if Islam underwent a generalized reformation and the gates of ijtihad were reopened. I don't have any illusions though, and given what's been happening since the end of the Cold War I don't see how you can say with a straight face that Islam is heading in the right direction. It's more like the exact opposite. The interconnectedness of the world has been a boon to the fanatics organizing in vast international organizations. Islam is becoming more violent and reactionary, overtaking even supposedly "secular" nations like Turkey. There's a literal cold war between two theocratic sides ruling over the heartlands of the old Islamic empire, each calling on God and religion has their ultimate source of authority, over regional control of the middle east, and you talk of fucking youtube philosophers.
In any case, none of that is Europe's fucking problem. I don't want to sacrifice my culture and country in the service of some demented, delusional dream of a "westernized" Islam. Who decided that our countries would be the catalyst, exactly? Why MUST we continue to accept these people who so blatantly hate us in the hope that, over time, with exposure, maybe they'll finally love us, like we're a fucking retarded battered housewife making excuses for her husband beating the shit out of her?
On "lock down", you mean the same immigration policies followed by the vast majority of the rest of the world? Literally every non-western country? Yes, it would be unthinkable to have a rational immigration policy, it's a fait accompli that we are powerless to stop hordes of poor vagrants for just crossing our borders.
And is that a bad thing? On one hand you slate Islam as a religion and the people who practice it. But on the other you slate my outlook because it doesn't conform to the rest? And there are a lot of Muslims like me, particularly in Western countries and a large part of it is education and critical thinking. It's not only Western countries as well, I've had these discussions with Muslims in India too. There are more and more books on the subject and countless Islamic lecturers on youtube as well who are raising these points. Really from your aspect that should be a good thing because it's a change in thinking and one that I think is sorely needed as it counteracts all the bullshit that's taken hold around the religion.
Viewing him as more than a morally excellent man is brainwashing in itself. More Muslims need to learn about their beliefs. There are too many I've spoken to who have never read the Quran but simply are just doing as they have been taught to do and they've never thought to question it. But when you sit down, open it up and go through it step by step. You come across things that are questionable and you discuss them then you understand the message far more than those who simply obey their Imam.
It's the same reason Muslim women in the West aren't covering their heads (something that wasn't even required in the middle-east until the rise of the Wahabbis) as much any more among a whole list of other things. Because once you delve into and critically examine the Quran you can see, hold on, it doesn't actually say do any of these things.
I just edited my post to add a bit to that. There are Westerners working in every other country all over the world. No non-western country is on lock down.Oh yes, westerners causing so much trouble overseas...
With such an easily manipulated religion Islam should be regulated and treated like guns, drugs, prostitution or any other problem that is out of control that needs state or government intervention and attention. In Muslim majority countries the state has to regulate the religion because it is too dangerous not to. European governments need to do the same or it is nothing more than an open membership club to preach and manipulate the ideology and twist facts anyway they want to recruit would be terrorists and murderers.
Oh yes, westerners causing so much trouble overseas...
I just edited my post to add a bit to that. There are Westerners working in every other country all over the world. No non-western country is on lock down.
Other way around. The regulation of Islam in Islamic countries is precisely the problem. People aren't allowed to question is because the state enforces what their vision of Islam is.
Nice bait attempt but that wasn't the point at all so good luck with that.
Welp, there's our answer then, we just need to treat muslim immigrants to our countries the same way we are treated in muslim countries. I'm sure it's just so onerous for poor Qatar to be subjected to these hordes of poor british expat chavs settling in their countries and magically obtaining citizenship and government benefits, they totally feel our pain, exactly the same situation after all.
Expats aren't treated as second class citizens in law or in practice, subject to whatever xenophobic bullshit any actual citizen feels like perpetrating. And those indonesian/malay/bangladeshi slaves they important by the thousands and treat like literal cattle, exactly the same situation as in the west. What a salient and appropriate comparison Overdriven, I feel priviledged having been exposed to it.
I would imagine he locked the thread to have only one thread for this subject. Since merging two 7-8 page long threads would have probably looked just as confusing as Syrian battlefront right now.
Other way around. The regulation of Islam in Islamic countries is precisely the problem. People aren't allowed to question it because the state enforces what their vision of Islam is.
Really, so if France implemented an immigration program and laws treating immigrants similar to those of Qatar, you wouldn't call it a "lock down"? You dishonest hypocrite.
Oh really, are you sure it's not so they can exhort their power over other religions and minorities. Religious freedom is something Europeans and Americans earned through great sacrafice, I can't say any country in the Muslim world can say the same.
Saudi Arabia’s highest religious body condemned on Saturday a coordinated assault by gunmen and bombers that killed 127 people across Paris as contrary to Islamic values.http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/11/14/Saudi-Arabia-s-top-clerics-condemn-Paris-attack.html
“Terrorists are not sanctioned by Islam and these acts are contrary to values of mercy it brought to the world,” said a statement by the Council of Senior Scholars carried by the Saudi Press Agency.
The statement by the council, the only body in the country authorized to issue fatwas or Islamic legal opinions, said that eliminating terrorism worldwide would require a “concerted effort” from a “unified moral stance”.
Oh really, are you sure it's not so they can exhort their power over other religions and minorities. Religious freedom is something Europeans and Americans earned through great sacrafice, I can't say any country in the Muslim world can say the same.
To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?
It would make a good sense if he didn't write what he did :) when closing it down:
You guys are really fucked in the head beyond repair.
*sigh*
1 out of all of them? Fuck, let's kill them all.Way to completely miss the point. Not that I'm surprised you did. I would've been extremely surprised if you hadn't.
Or, you could grow a brain.
Lol imagine westerners making demands to build churches or have muslim governments recognize christian holidays in muslim countries. Recently Algeria banned the building of any new churches in the country, and withdrew government funding for the maintenance of those that exist. A "secular" (hahahahaha) country.
I'm not anti Islam, I'm anti religion.
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visitors can't see pics , please register or loginThe special ops personnel mainly responsible for hunting down terrorists only make up about 0.1% of the military, so the rest of the military is peaceful!!!
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Priez pour nous, Pray for Paris... I was here in the middle of all this shit, i cry...
Breda
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Ok so if only 0.003% of the muslim population are extremists... Why are so many refugees fleeing their country??? You think they would be able to take over the country and turn it into something better if 99.997% of the population were good people. How does 0.003% of a countries population take over the country to such an extent that anyone with money in the country is willing to spend thousands to flee?
And only 2% of all terror attacks were taken out in the name of muslims??? Maybe all throughout history??? But look at the last year... 2014. You really think only 2% of all the terror attacks in 2014 were connected to islamic extremism? Completely ridiculous.
These statistics were pulled out of thin air, I would love to see any research that supports these statements.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
Great website source. Dedicated to spouting bullshit.
Ok so if only 0.003% of the muslim population are extremists... Why are so many refugees fleeing their country??? You think they would be able to take over the country and turn it into something better if 99.997% of the population were good people. How does 0.003% of a countries population take over the country to such an extent that anyone with money in the country is willing to spend thousands to flee?
Great website source. Dedicated to spouting bullshit.As opposed to your picture with zero sources... :lol:
Oh wow Finnish Security Intelligence Service is already taking a piss on the graves and using the fear in attempt to gain legal rights to start spying us. The tabloid website commenters can't wait to bend over and give up their privacy and freedom for security... Why does this keep happening? Have we not learned anything?And it'll probably happen, because fear works and people want the government to be responsible for their security, like children, instead of taking responsibility themselves. It'd be better to re-introduce CCW in limited quantities if people are scared, such as only making it available to people who've passed RUK/AUK.
(I dont like the stats, but since we are using those as a basis)
0.003% of the worldwide muslim population, but if you focus only the hot spots (where boko haram, ISIS, etc, is wrecking havoc), and count the muslim population of the countries/provinces/rebel zones they are controlling, of course the % would increase to way more than that.
Anyway, even a very small % of men can completely turn the tables... "The inaction of good men is why evil prevails" kinda proverb.
And it'll probably happen, because fear works and people want the government to be responsible for their security, like children, instead of taking responsibility themselves. It'd be better to re-introduce CCW in limited quantities if people are scared, such as only making it available to people who've passed RUK/AUK.
Allahu Trapbar
I haven't cringed this much in a while.
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I haven't cringed this much in a while.
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'You see, France has a very particular set of skills, skills they have acquired over a very long career in war. Skills that make them a nightmare for people like you.They will find you. And they will kill you.'
Oh wow Finnish Security Intelligence Service is already taking a piss on the graves and using the fear in attempt to gain legal rights to start spying us. The tabloid website commenters can't wait to bend over and give up their privacy and freedom for security... Why does this keep happening? Have we not learned anything?
reminds me of this crap:
gorilla warfare
Priez pour nous, Pray for Paris... I was here in the middle of all this shit, i cry...
Breda
PRAY ???
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR RELIGIONS !!!!
These aren't small "hot spots" it's like every islamic nation in the world that have people fleeing from them. The islamic populations in western countries, those are more like small isolated pockets (hot spots)
Yeah a very small % of men can completely turn the tables... You think it would be easier to find an effective force of of a very small number of men among the 99.997% non extremists muslims than it would be for terrorists to recruit an effective force of very small men among the remaining 0.003%??? Apparently not though.
Writes this, upvotes every single post defending islam and muslims, downvotes any post pointing out the obvious fucking influence of islam. What's wrong pepe, is your moronic "political" compass spinning around? Are you sad you can't blame this on christians? Stupid fucking bundle of sticks piece of shit goes ballistic at the first sign of "pray", clearly because it doesn't come from one of the dusky muslims whose dicks he can't stop sucking. No, just someone who was there and witnessed the carnage firsthand and is offering well wishes. Yes, that is totally the appropriate person to shout "FUCK OFF WITH YOUR RELIGION" to. Couldn't ask for a better example of the regressive self-loathing of the dhimmi leftist. Well, I don't think pepe even identifies as french anyways, his family has only been here for like, 3 generations anyways, clearly they are italian, because french is a made ethnicity and means nothing, right?
T'est qu'une sale merde, pepe. J'espère que ta famille sera la prochaine a subir les conséquences de l'altruisme pathologique que les sale connards comme toi prêchent, sale traître.
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I haven't cringed this much in a while.Best comment:
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If England and France are brothers... Doesn't that mean Canada was born from incest?:lol:
He's a stupid confused bundle of sticks who has no logical train of thought regarding any of this. Religion is bad, but logic is racist, so muslims are collectively innocent, how dare you insult their religion, but look at this guy daring to offer prayers for the victims, he's religious and religion is bad, therefore I am going to proudly tell him to fuck off. I seriously want to punch his stupid fucking irrational face.
In all fairness, I think Pepe was trying to be sarcastic with that fuck religions post. In his mind, he was trying to imitate, what he considers, the main voice of this thread. Unfortunately, he didnt do it good enough and he made an ass of himself.
Cuz this was a real false flag attack.
Coincidentally, people seem to have forgotten about the NSA scandal.
I was just talking about Paris in a thread of Mano’s and how nice I found the people there. Terrorism shouldn’t have to be denounced, so I feel conflicted about making a gratuitous statement of denunciation, but I have so little to offer, knowing so few people in the area, and being out of contact with those I do know for so long.
Horrific as this is, my first reaction was “only 100? What a low number! I’m pretty sure the U.S. has had more deaths from mass shootings alone this year.” (And I was apparently right; The Gun Violence Archive says 288 right now, with a month and a half to go.) So, is it more appalling that I am desensitized to this degree, or that the U.S. is so filled with guns that major disasters in other countries would barely be noticeable here? I’m torn.
The only thing going through my mind at this is “Well so much for Europe accepting Syrian refugees now”. And the non-stop right wing bullshit about this being ALL MOOSLEEMS and shit and I just can’t anymore.
This is going to turn into a new rallying cry by racists for even more hard-right movement against any and all Islamic countries or people. Or those who look like it.
Which is exactly what the fuckers who orchestrated this while massacre want.
I’m just going to curl up somewhere, Watch Hercules Poirot on Netflix, and ignore the world for the rest of the year
The Republicans, naturally, are leaping on this as a chance to sell more guns, and advocate more horrific policies for forcing Syrians to continue living in terror of ISIS. (Who may not be responsible … )
Saw Brian Williams interview a woman who has been studying extremism in France. She made the point that the rightwing politicians have been pumping hate speech into an already volatile situation. The far right politicians now have about 25% of the population behind them.
New immigrants, and second generation immigrants, still do not feel like they are part of France. Those populations have been subjected to hate crimes.
The economy in Europe is not great. Young people have a hard time getting a job.
Lynna is not saying that murder is justified by economics and/or employment and/or past hate crimes against someone with whom you share the experience of being an immigrant.
Lynna is saying that we know empirically that when these factors come together that murder is more common. I believe that Lynna is asserting this in order to bolster a claim of recklessness by the rightwing politicians who engage in hate speech (i.e. “they should have know it was a tinder keg into which they tossed their fiery words).
i think when put baldly like that, Lynna would probably also like it clarified that such hate speech also does not justify murder.
I think what’s being articulated is that even if the murders are unjustifiable, the speech was hurtful, stupid, and unwise.
Having done all that to defend Lynna, I will say, however, that I’m with Ophelia Benson on the general principle that discussing bad speech in the aftermath of these attacks carries the appearance of victim blaming and may tend to shut down free speech. The principle has limits, of course, but maybe we could save analysis of stupid shit for a later thread
Yet they don't know what 9/11, Patriot act, NSA, surveillance and violation of privacy have in common.
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Muslims fanatics? No, of course, the true masterminds are, yet again, the evil western governments. Look at these totalitarian dystopias, trying to defend their people from bloodthirsty lunatics. Oh my god such opression, if only I could live in another country where such horrible violations of muh freedoms didn't exist. We have to literally change our laws to accomodate the reality of living with even a small minority of sunni muslims, but good job, point at the real culprits. It is unthinkable to cast any sort of collective guilt on muslims as a whole, despite all the evidence.
Why are so many of you dumb fucking bundle of stickss dancing around the obvious issue?
You need to go to the root of the problem aka why this particular religion has came back and took such terrible shape.retarded people = retarded religion
Bloberyn is obviously alive and kicking but I can't see Lolwen.......his sword shall be missed. :cry:
The Center for Security Policy released a poll Tuesday that should give all Americans pause. The results show that a startling number of American Muslims, our fellow citizens, agree that violence is a legitimate response to those who insult Islam. A full majority of 51% “agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”
According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%). …
Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”
A full 25% of those polled agreed that “violence against Americans here in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad.”
Why the fuck are you talking about all religions? What other religion is responsable for this sort of thing? It's the second mass terrorist attack from muslim terrorists in a year, not counting the many that were stopped before they suceeded, who did you think I was worried about, fucking buddhists? Chinese confucians? Orthodox greeks? What other religion has tried consistently to hurt and kill and kidnap and attack as many french people as possible, for years? Can we stop pretending this issue is a "religion" issue and start realizing it's one, very specific religion? What fucking more do you need? Why are so many of you dumb fucking bundle of stickss dancing around the obvious issue?
Best comment: :lol:
QuoteGood luck killing an ideology with your guns. Let me know how that goes.
Hang on, I'll call Hitler and ask how his ideology is doing.
Of course bodies aren't enough for these traitorous cunts. They have no sense of collective identity, they've been consistently brainwashed into thinking a collective identity is racist (unless it's "foreign", in which case it is merely their beautiful culture), they don't see it as an attack on themselves and their families and their country when lunatics murder hundreds of their countrymen indiscriminately, the idea of nation is badwrong racism in the first place, we are merely a territory in which humans live. I wish these stupid pieces of shit were in that concert hall that night, and tried to reason calmly and say "hey, I'm not like those other evil westerners, I loooove you and all humans equally!", and see what the reaction would be.
What is the name of the documentary?
https://www.facebook.com/Vorsicht.Schwarzer.Humor/photos/a.292883294154448.64248.292882190821225/813774175398688/?type=3&__mref=message_bubble
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Alot of Muslims idolize and love albert, many of them fought in the SS in the past, so to them probably. What better way to terrorize and kick the jews out of Germany in 2015, bring in the Muslims.Just look at this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0Yes, because it's a popularity contest. Give us attention! Attention will bring the dead back! Attention will heal wounds! 130 dead and 350 wounded in Paris, the attack had many more casualties, it was better planned, it happened in a city in Europe where attacks like that aren't common, etc., etc. Why would the West care as much about a terrorist attack that didn't take place in West, that had less casualties, and a place that has been a warzone for ages?
Yes, because it's a popularity contest. Give us attention! Attention will bring the dead back! Attention will heal wounds! 130 dead and 350 wounded in Paris, the attack had many more casualties, it was better planned, it happened in a city in Europe where attacks like that aren't common, etc., etc. Why would the West care as much about a terrorist attack that didn't take place in West, that had less casualties, and a place that has been a warzone for ages?
“When my people died, no country bothered to light up its landmarks in the colors of their flag,” Elie Fares, a Lebanese doctor, wrote on his blog. “When my people died, they did not send the world into mourning. Their death was but an irrelevant fleck along the international news cycle, something that happens in THOSE parts of the world.”
The implication, numerous Lebanese commentators complained, was that Arab lives mattered less. Either that, or that their country — relatively calm despite the war next door — was perceived a place where carnage is the norm, an undifferentiated corner of a basket-case region.
The consecutive rampages, both claimed by the Islamic State, inspired feelings of shared, even global vulnerability — especially in Lebanon, where many expressed shock that such chaos had reached France, a country they regarded as far safer than their own.
Don't think you read the article...
'In fact, while Beirut was once synonymous with violence, when it went through a grinding civil war a generation ago, it has not had a bombing this deadly since that conflict ended in 1990.
(A reminder of the muddled perceptions came last week, when Jeb Bush, the Republican presidential candidate, declared that “if you’re a Christian, increasingly in Lebanon, or Iraq or Syria, you’re gonna be beheaded.” That was news to Lebanon’s Christians, who hold significant political power.)'
Lebanon is not exactly a war zone.
It's nothing to do with a popularity contest. But these people are in the same situation as those in the West. In fact far worse as it's right on their doorstep.
And for those who complain about Muslim countries not taking on refugees:
'There are a million Syrians in Lebanon, a country of four million; some have become desperate enough to contemplate joining the accelerating flow of those taking smugglers’ boats to Europe.'
Yes, same situation, after all France also has a massive terrorist group holding on to a massive chunk of our soil, just like Hezbollah. Absolutely not a war zone at all. These sorts of attacks aren't a common occurence in Lebanon. Holy shit every one of your comparisons and equivocations are more brain damaged than the last.
By your statements since the attack you certainly would think so. You know, all Muslims must support this and therefore ultimately must be terrorists. France has 5 million terrorists running rampant in the country!In any military, paramilitary or terrorist organization the vast majority of people involved aren't blowing shit up or pulling triggers. Does that make only the ones pulling triggers and blowing shit up guilty?
Well yes, there are only 4 extremists in the whole of the UK, and they're already dead and caught. We can rest easy now knowing that, in the future, when this inevitably happens again (and again, and again), it will still only be a small and insignificant minority of muslims.And again, the majority of these attacks are prevented in the planning stages, but those either never make the headlines or only do so shortly, and cause no panic because nothing happened.
https://www.facebook.com/dnevnadozalepog/photos/a.226259357542464.1073741832.225402614294805/449081031926961/?type=3Did this happen in the west? Did some white Christians from France travel over there and plan the attack?
147 studies are massacred. we didnt read much about that?!
its normal to feel shoched when that shit happends in europe but this shit is sadly "normal" in middle east or in africa/asia/.......
imo religion and nationalism is cancer of human species
Cunt with gun is more dangerous than simple cunt. Doesn't matter his religion.I had no idea it was legal to carry AK-47s in Paris, who knew? Retard.
GUNS MAKE CUNTS MORE DANGEROUS !
WE CAN'T STOP CUNTS...STOP GUNS !
Don't think you read the article...
'In fact, while Beirut was once synonymous with violence, when it went through a grinding civil war a generation ago, it has not had a bombing this deadly since that conflict ended in 1990.
(A reminder of the muddled perceptions came last week, when Jeb Bush, the Republican presidential candidate, declared that “if you’re a Christian, increasingly in Lebanon, or Iraq or Syria, you’re gonna be beheaded.” That was news to Lebanon’s Christians, who hold significant political power.)'
Lebanon is not exactly a war zone.
It's nothing to do with a popularity contest. But these people are in the same situation as those in the West. In fact far worse as it's right on their doorstep.
And for those who complain about Muslim countries not taking on refugees:
'There are a million Syrians in Lebanon, a country of four million; some have become desperate enough to contemplate joining the accelerating flow of those taking smugglers’ boats to Europe.'
Cunt with gun is more dangerous than simple cunt. Doesn't matter his religion.
GUNS MAKE CUNTS MORE DANGEROUS !
WE CAN'T STOP CUNTS...STOP GUNS !
https://www.facebook.com/dnevnadozalepog/photos/a.226259357542464.1073741832.225402614294805/449081031926961/?type=3
147 studies are massacred. we didnt read much about that?!
its normal to feel shoched when that shit happends in europe but this shit is sadly "normal" in middle east or in africa/asia/.......
imo religion and nationalism is cancer of human species
Cunt with gun is more dangerous than simple cunt. Doesn't matter his religion.
GUNS MAKE CUNTS MORE DANGEROUS !
WE CAN'T STOP CUNTS...STOP GUNS !
And what the fuck Odin? Nomore Supernatural gifs? :lol:
Did this happen in the west? Did some white Christians from France travel over there and plan the attack?
It's funny how people like you think that by default the west should be super concerned about the rest of the world's self-created problems. As concerned, if not more so, than about the things that happen in the west... oh, and not to forget the burden of the white man, to take in all of the goat fuckers that want to come over and give them free stuff because, well, just because. Doesn't matter if they turn to rape, murder and terror once here, no, no, they must be welcomed.
Gee, I fucking wonder why shit like that is "sadly normal" in the Middle East and Africa...
Damn communist retard
please go shoot your self!
imo religion and nationalism is cancer of human species
According to you Christians and Buddhists are terrorists, I think you should go shoot yourself. I'm glad you are mad though. Or is religion coward-speak for Islam in whatever country you come from?as i said go shoot your self! tnx!
as i said go shoot your self! tnx!
Aren't you like... a Turk though?
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Aren't you like... a Turk though?
Dont start arguing with Perverz pls. Nobody needs it. He is...a really wierd dude. There is literally no possible way you could gain anything from this. :lol:same as you :*
im sorry for your mom chimp if you can please read my coments again!
tnx!
See? What do you even do with an awnser like that? ...yo...you cant even make fun of it . Its just......wierd.
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While I was in prison I sucked big black dicks, it was absolutely Haram!
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Please tell me how you were a chocolate chip cookie you big tough guy you, that story sounds cute. Did the local 15 year old retards recruit you into their secret chocolate chip cookieii gang and all wear suspenders and shave their heads ? Did you draw little cute puppies on your arm because you were too poor to get a tattoo?
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After his return to prison, Manson's rhetoric and hippie speeches held little sway. Though he found temporary acceptance from the gorilla Brotherhood, his role was submissive to a sexually aggressive member of the group, at San Quentin.[74]
Ever wondered where Manson got that Hakenkreuz on his forehead?
It's from wiki, but I'm just guessing at the correlation.
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"Pray for a world that is falling apart in all corners". When was the last time when the world wasn't falling apart?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0Here are some top voted comments from imgur when a retard posted this
And imgur tends to be very "shitlib", yet even they realize these things.
They indeed "realise" why we focus on things, still not making it less stupid, which is the point you so dearly miss.
All muslims are terrorists! Kill them all!
Sorry, we're not turks. We're not going to genocide anyone. All the whining muslim cunts wasted no time in painting themselves as the poor victims, as they always do. Oh yeah, the awful "backlash" against the poor innocent muslims, they're just getting killed left and right by angry french people.
Who do you think is more "opressed", a muslim living in France, like the piece of shit that was born here, that lived and was raised as middle class in a fucking house, in a good, peaceful neighborhood, whose family received government benefits and was treated no differently before the law than any other french citizen, and then carried out a mass murder against his compatriots? Or a kurd in Turkey, surrounded by the open and encouraged ethnic loathing that is practically government policy, and has been for almost a hundred years? Please stay in your shit country that is turning more and more into the same backwards bullshit as the rest of the middle-east. Don't come to Europe, don't even fucking visit. Your endless, hypocritical, belligerent self-pity is not wanted here. Just keep killing kurds and masturbating about turkish superiority in every single matter. Your cunt countrymen don't want to become french, they don't want to integrate, they have no respect for our country or our laws, and it is encouraged by your bundle of sticks Sultan. And then you stupid retarded cunts have the nerve to whine that Europe isn't tolerant enough of your barbarism? Fuck you.
They indeed "realise" why we focus on things, still not making it less stupid, which is the point you so dearly miss.So how exactly is it "stupid", retard?
Well yes, that's just common sense.
The law is the law. Abuse is abuse. Breaking the law is bad. Isn't that normal?
And if isolated communities are responsible for such acts then they should be broken up.
What do you have in mind when you say 'cherry pick your immigrants'?
Adequate background checks, maybe some psychological tests and such.
EleGiggle
Sorry, we're not turks. We're not going to genocide anyone. All the whining muslim cunts wasted no time in painting themselves as the poor victims, as they always do. Oh yeah, the awful "backlash" against the poor innocent muslims, they're just getting killed left and right by angry french people.lol calm down champion . I am being sarcastic on how all of you are looking at muslims. I was mimicking you :)
Who do you think is more "opressed", a muslim living in France, like the piece of shit that was born here, that lived and was raised as middle class in a fucking house, in a good, peaceful neighborhood, whose family received government benefits and was treated no differently before the law than any other french citizen, and then carried out a mass murder against his compatriots? Or a kurd in Turkey, surrounded by the open and encouraged ethnic loathing that is practically government policy, and has been for almost a hundred years? Please stay in your shit country that is turning more and more into the same backwards bullshit as the rest of the middle-east. Don't come to Europe, don't even fucking visit. Your endless, hypocritical, belligerent self-pity is not wanted here. Just keep killing kurds and masturbating about turkish superiority in every single matter. Your cunt countrymen don't want to become french, they don't want to integrate, they have no respect for our country or our laws, and it is encouraged by your bundle of sticks Sultan. And then you stupid retarded cunts have the nerve to whine that Europe isn't tolerant enough of your barbarism? Fuck you.
lol calm down champion . I am being sarcastic on how all of you are looking at muslims. I was mimicking you :)
I think he got that part already. I don't think he thought your sarcasm was funny
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I think he got that part already. I don't think he thought your sarcasm was funnyno shit
European leaders fucked up big time with this one. You don't open the floodgates when it's widely known that the Islamic State controls an area the size of England with over 8 million inhabitants and inducts the entire population in chocolate chip cookie style Islamic indoctrination camps and classes where they teach children as young as 10 to hate and kill Westerners/Jews, behead, create bombs and shoot rifles."You guys"?
There is absolutely no way to tell the difference between a peaceful refugee and someone who is entering from this large area who is intent to go on a killing spree. You guys are going to be playing whack-a-mole for the next 20 years unless something drastically changes.
"You guys"?
http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-us-accept-85-000-refugees-2016-100-160512384.html
STOP PRAYING STUPID BELIEVERS !!!Guns don't kill people. Islam kills people.
HUMAN LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR FUCKING IMAGINARY FRIEND IN THE SKY !!!!
Guns don't kill people. Islam kills people.
Religions kill people.... Guns kill people....
Atheism and love kill nobody.
Wash your brains to remove stupid beliefs about Jeovah, Jesus, Allah, Mohammad, Abraham and other ghosts who don't exist !
Vishnou, Quetzalcoatl, Thor, Belenos, amon-râ, toutatis and Buddah are polluting your mind !
Remove this shit in your brain. Just love humans.. all humans.
OOODDIIINVALHALLAAAAAAA on the 20th of April 2011: What I know is that... heh, eh ja how can I explain? ...deh feeling to believe in Odin is right, dat is what I say, ja?!
That would all sound great if it wasn't for the fact that European humanitarian compassion is what these terrorists are exploiting. It's clearly not in your politicians interests to protect their own constituents, whether they are Muslim or not, if they keep preaching this outdated and dangerous message of blind tolerance.Just change your Facebook profile picture and everything will be alright again! And don't hate on Islam because Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Apparently Islam has nothing to do with anything and is just awesome, really...
Just change your Facebook profile picture and everything will be alright again! And don't hate on Islam because Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Apparently Islam has nothing to do with anything and is just awesome, really...
Yes, me and Xant are coprophags!
All those Facebook "support gays/France/the national hockey team" picture things are a great way of seeing which of your friends are retarded.
It actually takes it one step further. My feed is filled with these tards liking atleast 30 other random tards for doing the same tard thing. I dont understand wtf is wrong with these people. I mean, I know that they are smart people, than wtf are they doing following this idiotic internetfad.
It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.
It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:
"We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it."
"No you didn't."
"Wait, what? Yes we did..."
"No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."
"WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."
"No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."
"Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."
"Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."
"What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"
"Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."
"Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."
"No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."
"OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"
Wash your brains to remove stupid beliefs about Jeovah, Jesus, Allah, Mohammad, Abraham and other ghosts who don't exist !
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I'm no Muslim so correct me if i'm wrong. But it's like you have created a list of names there :|
I'm no Muslim so correct me if i'm wrong.
Pepe, Allah is just the Arabic word for God, i assume it's not the name of who they worship.
I'm no Muslim so correct me if i'm wrong. But it's like you have created a list of names there :|
first, my condolences to all the families that got hit by this attack.
second, so a guy blows himself to bits but his Syrian passport and one fingerprint remain intact and he is traced back to Greece where he entered few months ago along with thousands of migrants... that's one tough passport. I'd like one
first, my condolences to all the families that got hit by this attack.
second, so a guy blows himself to bits but his Syrian passport and one fingerprint remain intact and he is traced back to Greece where he entered few months ago along with thousands of migrants... that's one tough passport. I'd like one
They found the car they used and raided their apartments. They were already on a watchlist of suspects.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-15/false-flag-link-passport-found-next-suicide-bomber-was-fake-claim-us-french-sources
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don't tell me you wouldn't want one tho, all blinged out and bomb proof ;)
xDDD
Why The Gun is Civilization? (Kloos, 2007)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
People that think the word Allah is a name too some Islamic Jesus just because the word for god sounds like a name to some higher entity when pronounced in Arabic. Which is just total ignorance, i see it all the time. Mostly on facebook.
About Xant though,
Many people on my news feed are like Xant, people that just drip through life like pieces of shit. No one pays attention to them, no ones talks to them or respects them, and they have this self respect which they live off, thinking that they're intelligent and whatever they say is the be all and end all. But in reality they have no friends and no one wants to be around them, they choose to spend their worthless life on pointless forums and subreddits all day everyday preaching about how intelligent they're which in doing that can be seen as an unintelligent way to spend one's life. Yes real smart you are sir.
Every time i see Xant's name on here i just picture this disgusting life form that has been exiled from society, a recluse deprived of sunlight, tragic.
Jesus still probably loves you, Xant.
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Just responding to this quickly and I'm not looking up the things I'm about to say. I think the Arabic word for God is Illah, and Allah means The God, meaning the only god. The definitions of what god is differs drastically between Muslims and Christians.
Step aside I got this.
Allah = God . Its just in Arabic. i.e. God means Tanrı in Turkish coming from Tengri it can always be used as Allah ( Muslims wouldn't like that tho )
It is "la ilahe illallah" which means Allah is the only one.
also p.s. : the word Allah was used to refer to the God before Islam aswell.
and Illah means Divine
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?457253-Please-STOP-pretending-to-care-about-Muslim-women-getting-attacked!
Why, are you too retarded to read them for yourself and form your own opinion? Why does anyone on this forum think I'm trying to convince them of anything? What stupid fucking cunts such as yourself think is the least of my priorities. I've been exposed to too much painfully wilfull ignorance from the trisomics here. Bunch of moronic idiots who think reality is a Disney movie. Just spout the usual empty platitudes about tolerance and love and understanding and pulling together for a better future and everything will be a-ok.
I don't even have any idea how to respond to that. Yes, it's the exact same situation but in reverse. What fantastic analytical prowess. Because I'm living in a muslim majority country right after a terrorist attack committed by westerners, whining about the horrible expected "backlash" against my people. I'm the one justifying lunatics and fanatics murdering their own countrymen because of the "opression" they feel. I'm the one saying that if we perpetrate violence on muslims collectively it is merely their just deserts. I wholeheartedly support an organization devoted to murdering civilianss (many of the people on those forums are self-admitted daesh supporters).
Oh well, at least you've proved to your own satisfaction that their religion is absolutely blameless and they are just normal people, completely normal reactions.
You have no idea the pain I feel for the muslims who get slaughtered every day, night and day, hour after hour, women or man for over a decade now. Any attacks who happens against the kafirs, I feel no sympathy because all that goes towards the members of our ummah.
May Allah grant swift victory to the Muslims.
Stop blaming ISIS
the hate of the kuffar existed long before there was an isis
the father of ibrahim
pharaoh
the jews & romans during Isa
the people of the ditch
the quraysh
there was no isis, yet the kuffar still attacked innocent muslims
If you happen to be referring to me; I have whined, scream, cried, and much more on these forums (and in person) about the evil being suffered by Muslims all around the world, ever since I Joined UF many many years ago. Ask anyone on here that knows me... Edit: and who told you to take off niqaab and hijaab ?
Excuse me, what are you talking about?
They've been doing awful things to us ever since I remember.
They are the ones who started this whole mess.
Just because it's not yet happening to your "family" doesn't mean you should ignore it.
What silence are you talking about?
Muslims are the ones silent.
And no, Muslims are the ones not awake.
Did you miss the part where I talked about Muslims getting murdered elsewhere?
Please, don't be naive.
Be careful writing such nonsense. None of these worthless 'good' deeds hold any value to Allah if you disbelieve in him. Why would Allah care about your petty deeds when you have disbelieved in him and his messenger ?
If Muslims cared about not being tortured and bombed then there would be no Islam. If people were more scared of kuffar than Allah then Islam would've died out in the time of the Prophet :SAW:
We persevere for Allah and we wait for our reward with Him. Whether you're in the East or West people will hate you for putting Allah first and foremost (these people can be kuffar or worldly Muslims...the struggle is real).
May Allah increase all Muslim in their emaan, keep them steadfast on the straight path and give us all husn al khatimah - ameen.
Whenever anyone comes across hardship in dunya we need to remember Allahu Akbar waa Adhaam and that all these people put together will not change our qadr. We should pray for Jannah and mercy from Allah - this life is a short journey indeed.
Reminder - Allah will not burden a soul with more than it can bear - alhamdhulilah.
i feel we have a tahir ul qadri mureed here.
ur blaming isis and not the people who attacked u? ....
we somehow like to believe that somehow all the burden rests on out glorious shoulders so we shouldn't dismay non muslims by our actions even if it means resorting to means which can be classified as unislamic.
9/11 , 7/7 . and all the others are actually something normal from people at war with other people.... why don't the resident non muslims here have the same notion of being 'representatives' and how it effects them when they drone bomb muslims , maybe its cause they don't have this guilt by association based on religion or even nationality which muslims have.
well i have to refute people who tell lies.Quotemuslim or not? ... really ? ... so u believe non muslims are going to heaven?
muslim or not? ...
thats enough to know ur lying.
Allah(swt) can forgive anything but shirk.
Is that enough an answer or is tahir ul qadri the only person u listen to?
Wait, so now people who reject the Messenger of Allah are going to Jannah ?
http://islamqa.info/en/13350: "You should note that all the kaafirs who hear the message of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and do not enter Islam will go to Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures”[al-Bayyinah 98:6] "
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, no one of this nation, Jew or Christian, hears of me then dies without having believed in that with which I was sent, but he will be one of the people of the Fire.” Narrated by Muslim, 153.
Don't ask me, it's not my fatwa. use common sense.
I'm still not forced to feel any sympathy for the kuffar, they will end up in hell anyways, what's going to change if you shed a tear?
Know your history please...there was a time when Muslims ruled half of the world and there was PEACE.
I'm talking about the passport found on scene.US govt found one a passport of one of they guys who flew a plane into the world trade center too :lol:
It has come out definitively that the 200+ dead people from the russian airplane crash were also due to a terrorist attack. Western governments had reported as much but now russians themselves have confirmed it. Despite the obvious cultural and political differences between westerners and russians, I am deeply ashamed of the way the western media has hypocritically treated the attack. Russians are our brothers in this war. I can only hope the russian people as a collective can forgive us, and that we can overcome our political differences and obliterate these barbarians together. I would not be surprised if the general russian reaction is one of indifference given the way we treated their own recent tragedy.Russians were the one denying the attack on their plane, I don't think they would have admit it wasn't a malfunction if it wasn't for western media and official statement. Still yeah quite sad and strange to see the lack of empathy for russians civilian death.
It's called the Old Testament in Christianity, all the Abrahamic faiths have it in common. The behaviour and attributes of God is consistent between Christianity, Judaism and Islam in the Old Testament.Beside the denomination, it's always funny to hear the same god saying so many different things, one of the three religion by its own is sufficient to have many gods...
Christianity branches off cos it has a new testament where we're forced to believe that either God got replaced by a calmer God somewhere between testaments, or he really mellowed with age and stopped smiting people/wiping out their first-borns and started talking about loving one another and treating others as you would wish to be treated.
It's the same God, 'Allah' is literally just their word for God and they have the Old Testament in common. It's kinda like saying 'These French Christians are weird, they all worship some guy called 'Dieu' instead of God. Such sacrilege!'. Think of the spectrum of different Christian denominations that all see and worship God in different ways, they aren't different 'Gods'.
What does that video have to do with anything? You should stick to sharing your insight about Allah and neck-breaking kicks.Thoughts?
Saxon, could you please show on a puppet, where exactly did uncle Xant touch you?
It's called the Old Testament in Christianity, all the Abrahamic faiths have it in common. The behaviour and attributes of God is consistent between Christianity, Judaism and Islam in the Old Testament.
Christianity branches off cos it has a new testament where we're forced to believe that either God got replaced by a calmer God somewhere between testaments, or he really mellowed with age and stopped smiting people/wiping out their first-borns and started talking about loving one another and treating others as you would wish to be treated.
It's the same God, 'Allah' is literally just their word for God and they have the Old Testament in common. It's kinda like saying 'These French Christians are weird, they all worship some guy called 'Dieu' instead of God. Such sacrilege!'. Think of the spectrum of different Christian denominations that all see and worship God in different ways, they aren't different 'Gods'.
"We have mobilised 115,000 police, gendarmes and military over the whole of our national territory to insure the protection of French people."
Bit overkill isn't it?
'Meanwhile France has evoked a previously unused clause in the Treaty on European Union obliging other member states to provide it with "aid and assistance by all means in their power".'
Also wut? Serious overkill.
The fact they share the common origins is just useless trivia. Mohammed took an older religion because it was easy, claimed himself a prophet, and twisted it into something completely different.
Just saw this on imgur, I could imagine Oberyn frothing at the mouth watching this :lol:
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The behaviour and attributes of God is consistent between Christianity, Judaism and Islam in the Old Testament.
Christianity branches off cos it has a new testament where we're forced to believe that either God got replaced by a calmer God somewhere between testaments, or he really mellowed with age and stopped smiting people/wiping out their first-borns and started talking about loving one another and treating others as you would wish to be treated.And then you also happen to know that Christians believe that Jesus is God, and he is also a spirit a father. Which both Islam and Judaism deny, and then at the same time you claim in the first quotation i made that the attributes of God is consistent in the three faiths. So no they are quite different, which you also say in the second quote. And the stories in the bible are different in the Quran, where god acts differently.
The Jews and Christians are both kaafirs and mushrikeen. They are kaafirs because they deny the truth and reject it. And they are mushrikeen because they worship someone other than Allaah.
Just saw this on imgur, I could imagine Oberyn frothing at the mouth watching this :lol:This is a good example of how to raise kids that will get bullied in school.
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From Hannover. Police advise citizens from Hannover to stay indoors. Reports suggest 3 planned attacks, dealt with by police.
All 3 religions see parts of the Old Testament as being divine.
Basnak trying to convert young CRPGers to Islam.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?457253-Please-STOP-pretending-to-care-about-Muslim-women-getting-attacked!
Yawn.... It's always about fighting/war with some people on here, isn't it? Anything to incite to the fight (or the 'jihad?') against the big, fat, evil 'kuffar'. How ridiculous! Always the exaggeration, always the demonization, always the minimization of the kuffar deaths. Always blaming the 'kuffars' for all the woes of the muslim world. We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't....
Juvenille. All of this posturing is.
"The Kuffar don't care about us".
Yes/no. They care like they care about wars in African countries. They see African people as different and they have difficulty empathising. In the same way they see us as different or to use Zizeks phrase we are 'the other' and they react the same way. The reason we are seen as different is because we do not and have not ever reached out in fact we reject them. We are in every country in the world and by and large we reject our neighbours. Is it any surprise they act like they do?
Why do you think the Sikh Hindu's and Jews don't face the issues we face? Ah yes because while they might not marry the kuffar they still treat them as brothers
You're all going to say well that's not the Muslim way. Well... perhaps it's time to change.
The personal is political. If everyone focused on their own immediate neighbours and stopped blaming everything on Zionists in x country and Shia's in Z country then or the nebulous "Americans" then we could start to clean up this unholy mess bit by bit. Yes I care about people other countries but there is not a lot I can do about them. I certainly wouldn't be so nieve as to sign myself up for a war thousands of miles away in a country who's socioeconomic situation, language and culture I barely understand. That to me is immature, shortsighted and arrogant.
I can do something about the lady sitting opposite me on the bus, I can do something about my behaviour towards the family who live in the house opposite. I can do something about the lady I work with who is upset about my collegue wearing a hijab.
Muslims seem to do nothing but blaming others for their problems. This is very unhealthy. How about we start at home?
This guy though:What's the one thing in common with those people? Join date: November 2015, less than 65 posts.
Or these ones:
That forum is strangely less hugbox-ish than SRS. Yeah, I voluntarily made a prudent claim.
Why do you kill yourselves to help others? Why do you kill yourselves to help people that kill you? Even if it is .01% of the refugees, thats still thousands. And its not like your people are armed anyway so you all might as well put your necks on the chopping block and get it over with if you aren't going to change.
also pepe you may see europeans as french, english, german, italian, swedish, austrian and such but do you really think the immigrants care? Do you think they care if you are catholic or athiest? No they do not because you are not muslim. You are not one of them so they will kill you just the same.
This is absolutely not true. Muslims believe that the bible is heavily fabricated and modified, and all the stories about old prophets such as Abraham, Moses and so on are quite different and so is Gods behaviour in them, if you compare the quran and bible. The bible stories tend to be mega fucked up, while the quran stories are more refined, but not as fucked up.
Just saw this on imgur, I could imagine Oberyn frothing at the mouth watching this :lol:
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I'll just leave this here:
http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/episode-79/
pras maddox
That said, of the 50 or so Muslim countries in the world, only roughly 6 are dealing with terrorism, and all 6 happen to be among the poorest. Poverty and lack of access to good education usually go hand-in-hand. Sources below.
Listen to the podcast too. Valid points. Like the fact that Osama bin Laden was not poor. On the other hand he wasn't one of the people who flew the planes into WTC. He just used religious extremism to get power for himself.
This you Oberyn?
http://tribune.com.pk/story/991322/man-pushes-muslim-woman-into-oncoming-underground-train-in-london/
This you Oberyn?
http://tribune.com.pk/story/991322/man-pushes-muslim-woman-into-oncoming-underground-train-in-london/
Most of the top terrorists have always beeen college educated in western schools, usually with engineering degrees. How else do youl earn to make bombs? just remember dumb people would never have gotten this farYou certainly wouldn't... -.-
Being worst than pple you hate is the racist first amendment... Can't smartly talk with them.
I'm pretty sure he believed in what he was doing. Not for power but what he thought to be the "Greater Good". He could have had an easy life in luxury but he choose the cave. Idealists are the most dangerous.
Clearly, National Socialism as an ideology had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. Only a very small minority of chocolate chip cookies were responsible, probably less than 99.97%. How could we possibly cast collective blame on an entire people for the actions of only a few? Only vile, racist anti-chocolate chip cookie biggots would do such a thing. chocolate chip cookies were individuals too.
Same thing with totalitarian Communism, the tenets of the ideology are completely blameless! Wasn't even "real" Communism anyways, real Communism is about universal peace and love and understanding.
I'm pretty sure he believed in what he was doing. Not for power but what he thought to be the "Greater Good". He could have had an easy life in luxury but he choose the cave.IdealistsExtremists are the most dangerous.
The Buffet-Religious are so blinded by their irrationality they cannot accept that the "peaceful" versions of their religions were made that way DESPITE their teachings, not because of them, that it took hundreds of years of social and political upheavals before these modern forms were considered the norm.Here you making the point that social and political actions manage to turn down the most extreme view of a religion and that events can on the opposite turn up the most extreme part of religion.
You may think it's selfish, but I have no idea why the west is somehow responsable for Islam's reform.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Shiite Muslim cleric who had worked for years to overthrow the Shah, was still in exile in Paris, but vowing to return and form an Islamic government.
He was named Man of the Year in 1979 by American news magazine TIME for his international influence,[15] and has been described as the "virtual face of Islam in Western popular culture"
http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/upfront/features/index.asp?article=f091806_TP_Iranlmao we were the reason he lost his country and our magazines give him man of the year, and then when he takes back power he takes americans captive and starts murdering people in the streets and throw human wave attacks at Iraqi tanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
Because christianity's reform came from within the cultures that housed it, it was not imposed from outside. Muslims in the west are more "peaceful"? Really, that's what you're going with? Muslims in the west aren't becoming increasingly radicalized as their proportion of the population grows? Did you miss the past decade of history? Even if that was true (it isn't), if you hadn't noticed the vast majority of the muslim population in the world is not in the west. Muslims living here becoming slightly more accepting of western mores will not do shit to reform islam. The rest of the muslim world is in a vastly different course, and it is dragging the muslims of the west with it.It was not triggered by massive suffering and civil wars, the civil wars were caused due to the dissociation of the population believes than went more progressist opposing to the still conservativ religious power in place in Europe. Now that in Europe, the gouvernement are secular, there won't be this issue.
And the reform of christianity was not a peaceful, gradual process, it was triggered by massive suffering and civil wars. You may think it's selfish, but I have no idea why the west is somehow responsable for Islam's reform. Their religion has absolutely nothing to do with our cultures, in fact throughout history has ALWAYS been antagonistic to it.
http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/upfront/features/index.asp?article=f091806_TP_IranKhomeini didn't reform the islam in Iran, he was democratically elected there because he was expressing the views of the people there. France was right to protect him for the autoritarian regime in Iran, as his only culpability at that time was his political opposition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
Tbh I've been overwhelmingly surprised by how un-shitty the responses have been that I've seen on FB and from my fellow countrymen on this forum. Sure the usual people on cRPG.net are in their usual angry state, but a differing opinion about class balance is enough to set them off so that's no great achievement.
I was going to post some lengthy response after staying away from this thread for a while, however I can sum up this thread (and some of the opinions/thoughts) in here in two simple words.I feel offended by your post.
Uneducated Bigots - I'm sure now however I will receive some lengthy tirade, fueled by the incessant insults and hatred that seems to dominate some posts
I was going to post some lengthy response after staying away from this thread for a while, however I can sum up this thread (and some of the opinions/thoughts) in here in two simple words.
Uneducated Bigots - I'm sure now however I will receive some lengthy tirade, fueled by the incessant insults and hatred that seems to dominate some posts
Love me forever haha
Molly, feeling on the interwebs? pfft
Oh i've seen it countless times haha, same with the 'America's not so great anymore' - some feels but then I have to be cynical, especially regarding my studies because theres so much bias and blah blah blah. My dissertation is on the refugee crisis so these thread(s) have been eye-opening into varying 'public' opinion.
I agree with some points here, even though its very hard to see real opinions through all the sarcasm.
Where I dont get it is you seem to blame the buffet-religious as much as the ones going by the book. The cherry-pickers didnt wait for Islam to reform itself from all the over-the-top agressive expansionism surats, isnt that good?
Should be in this thread too:
But nah... nothing to do with Islam. Just a few radical terrorists with no support from the rest of the Muslims. :rolleyes:
disgusting
Who says "it is for supporting ISIS" ? Just because it is written under the video you belive it ?Yes, Pepe, they are shouting "allah akbar" during a minute of silence for Paris victims to support their team, while their team is staying silent out of respect.... you fucking moron. Not to mention the booing in the beginning...
Maybe the just say that to support their team....
PS :https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/13/watch-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-minute-of-silence-for-ankara-terror-victims/
1st : they didnt say allahu akbar
2nd : they protested why people care about france's bombing and not every other damn bombing in all of the middle east.... for example a bombs detonated in a subway station in ankara and killed 80 civilian and no one cared)
3rd: turkish people absolutely hate ISIS
Just verify information before sharing stpuid false things... morons !
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/13/watch-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-minute-of-silence-for-ankara-terror-victims/
How fucking stupid are you, you're claiming to speak for 40,000 people and why they "protested", and then speak about verifying information? You've got to be utterly retarded for that, but good news, you are. Where's your fucking source for "no one caring", retard? And did you happen to perhaps read the thread about the Ankara bombing here? No?
What they shout at 0:46 sure sounds like "Allahu akbar."
Look at the Youtube comments. He just reposted some random guys words from the commentsection into this thread.Of course. That's what Pepe calls "verifying information."
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Moderates do not want to kill anyone in the name of God, but they want us to keep using the word “God” as though we knew what we were talking about. And they do not want anything too critical said about people who really believe in the God of their fathers, because tolerance, perhaps above all else, is sacred. To speak plainly and truthfully about the state of our world – to say, for instance, that the Bible and Koran both contain mountains of life-destroying gibberish – is antithetical to tolerance as moderates currently conceive it. But we can no longer afford the luxury of such political correctness. We must finally recognize the price we paying to maintain the iconography of our ignorance.
There is, of course, much that is wise and consoling and beautiful in our religious books. But words of wisdom and consolation and beauty abound in the pages of Shakespeare, Virgil, and Homer as well, and no one ever murdered strangers by the thousands because of the inspiration he found there. The belief that certain books were written by God (who, for reasons difficult to fathom, made Shakespeare a far better writer than himself) leaves us powerless to address the most potent source of human conflict, past and present. How is it that the absurdity of this idea does not bring us, hourly, to our knees? It is safe to say that few of us would have thought so many people could believe such a thing, if they did not actually believe it. Imagine a world in which generations of human beings come to believe that certain films were made by God or that specific software was coded by him. Imagine a future in which millions of our descendants murder each other over rival interpretations of Star Wars or Windows 98. Could anything – anything – be more ridiculous? And yet, this would be no more ridiculous than the world we are living in.
Khomeini didn't reform the islam in Iran, he was democratically elected there because he was expressing the views of the people there. France was right to protect him for the autoritarian regime in Iran, as his only culpability at that time was his political opposition.
The enormous absurdity of the "religious situation" is mindblowing.
Yes, if people must be killed, then it's better to do it over resources than over imaginary sky creatures.
Cant agree more. Here's to a world devoid of religion. At least we will kill each other for things that we have tangible proof, like resources and stupidity :lol:
If you want to bring down totalitarian regime, you better make suresomething even worse does not replace it.you kill them all
After all, for USA this is just business.
Look at the Youtube comments. He just reposted some random guys words from the commentsection into this thread.
Though it's not entirely wrong...Shouting that is even worse than shouting "Allahu akbar."
They shoutet "Şehi.tler ölmez, vatan bölünmez", it means something like"Martyrs never die, our land/nation will not be divided".
This is a frequently used slogan in remembrance for the fallen soldiers in turkey. You might hear this in almost every football match.
It has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in Paris, but with the bombings and terrorist attacks happening in Turkey(mostly committed by Pkk Terrorists).
It was also a protest against the hypocrisy on how some tragic events get so much attention, while others are totally ignored.
Without a doubt, this was disrespectful...
West was right to support rebel groups in Syria (now part of ISIS) because they were expressing the view of people there. West was right to protect them from the authoritarian regime in Syria (Bashar al-Assad). And here we are today. Should I dig though posts when Assad was the bad guy supported by Putin and good old West was trying to help rebels thus bringing them freedom and democracy from a bloody tyrant?Yet Iranian muslims are not planning bombing in the west (unless we shoot down their civil plane). And there's a difference between "supporting" (read give weapons) and give political refuge. As long as we impose by force our view to an entire region, there will be no peace. Why were there such a massive upheaval in Syria if it's not because of the population discontent? But might aswell have muslim population angry about the islamic governement they asked for than against the West that "protect" them against their will
Of course secularism and cherry picking in religions is preferable to people following violent parts of their faith. But the thing I don't understand is how people can still believe in a religion they have to cherry pick and say "but its metaphorical" and "God works in mysterious ways". I prefer argumenting religion with fundementalists because it is clear what they follow and they truely believe in their religion. People that cherry pick their religions on the other hand just make up shit as time goes and are slippery as fuck and will twist and interpret their holy scriptures in anyway just to make excuses to believe in their religion.Fundementalists are ignoring part of the text too. What did Isis do of those parts?
Do the members of ISIS believe, literally, “Wheresoever you turn, there is the face of God?” Of course not. Nor would they interpret literally, “God is the light of the heavens and the earth,” or any number of other passages from the Quran that the so-called “literalists” are compelled to either ignore or read as some kind of metaphor or allegory. I’d like to see ISIS offer a “literal” interpretation of the ḥadīth that says that when God loves a person, He “becomes the ear with which he hears, the eye with which he sees, the hand with which he grasps, and the foot with which he walks.”http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/what-muslims-really-want-isis-atlantic/386156/?utm_source=SFFB (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/what-muslims-really-want-isis-atlantic/386156/?utm_source=SFFB)
There's a simple explanation that takes history into account. The Renaissance and the Reformation never hit the Islamic world and never influenced their political states, most Islamic countries have been consistently authoritarian states for 100's or 1000's of years. The Turks continue to be the only secular Muslim majority state because they had closer ties to Europe, and of course their conquest states, Bosnia and Kosovo.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism)
Which ones? All of them?
Though it's not entirely wrong...
They shoutet "Şehi.tler ölmez, vatan bölünmez", it means something like"Martyrs never die, our land/nation will not be divided".
This is a frequently used slogan in remembrance for the fallen soldiers in turkey. You might hear this in almost every football match.
It has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in Paris, but with the bombings and terrorist attacks happening in Turkey(mostly committed by Pkk Terrorists).
It was also a protest against the hypocrisy on how some tragic events get so much attention, while others are totally ignored.
Without a doubt, this was disrespectful...
Wait, is he saying the Suruc and Ankara bombings were commited by PKK terrorists? Or that the victims were PKK terrorists? It's hard to keep the completely irrational justifications of retards straight.
Actually it might be both. Government media has been claiming that the victims were PKK sympathizers, i.e. terrorists after all. Likewise, they also claim the attacks were committed by PKK. In the meantime, it has been already proven that the Suruç bombing was the doing of a young maggot that was an IS member. And, brace yourself, the Ankara bombing was the doing of his elder brother, also an IS maggot who wasn't even looked for after the Suruç incident despite all warnings.
It's a joy going around turkish forums and youtube comments. Apparently they were all a bunch of kurdish communist scum who deserved death. And it's payback for PKK terrorism. How would this be used as a reason for war when the people it's supposed to galvanize are totally ok with it? A lot of turks don't even see it as an attack on themselves. Because it wasn't.
And of course the usual it's a zionist conspiracy arguement, because it's just soooo unbelievable that an islamic fanatic could ever do such a thing. It must've been a CIA/Mossad operation, designed to make muslims look bad and foment chaos in Turkey.
Apparently it's a false-flag attack the kurds launched against themselves to seem like martyrs and undermine Erdogan's authority. Yup. Just like all the other suicide bombings and terrorist attacks against kurds, always some vague and unexplained reason why the real targets and victims are, ultimately, the sunni turks.
Hey Brokar, why only show the map of states with islamic religion in their constitution? Why not show the entire planet? It's only "half" of total majority muslim countries after all. Not a uniquely islamic thing at all, no sir.Because anyway it doesn't mean much, Uganda is not an official christian country, it doesn't prevent them to persecute gay for religious reasons. And on the opposite, what does it really mean for the UK to be officially christian?
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And Baathism was a gigantic success, Iraq and Syria were, after all, super "secular", not sectarian shitholes where religious and tribal denomination completely determined the distribution of government power and resources. No massacres of shia by sunnis, no massacre of kurds, no massacres of sunnis by alawites and druze, no opression or government sponsored violence against the few assyrians and jews that were still around, all those were mere mirages before the islamic "renaissance".
As soon as the islamists in government castrated the army, secularism in Turkey was dead in the water. It always was the only thing standing against that takeover, ever since Ataturk's era.
I guess that illusion has already been shattered for those who had truly secular mindsets. Yet there are still extremely naive Muslims who are clueless, preaching about how secularity is still there and the fundamentals of democracy are intact and unharmed.
Pretty much everyone in this thread:That must be one of the most meaningless gifs I've ever seen.
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visitors can't see pics , please register or loginThe oldest dank meme of its sort and often used as a mad comeback to end all comebacks, yet never is anyone able to explain how the claim makes any kind of sense.
hmmm...
That must be one of the most meaningless gifs I've ever seen.
When you're arguing on the internet, you're typing. Ok.
Also, the whole "lol it's so stupid and low status to argue ON THE INTERNET :) :) :)" is so 1995. There is literally nothing making real life arguing "better" or "superior"; and nothing making arguing on the internet worse. On the contrary, there are tons of positives to arguing on the internet, such as being able to check sources immediately.
Just an easy meme for people without arguments to use.
Holy shit, the second half of this guys video is actually reasonable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoxVkGHzI0
It doesn't matter whether you debate on the internet or RL. If you think winning is the main purpose, you're the retard.If you think winning isn't the main purpose, you're the retard.
karasu is just smarter and high above anyone to even argue, thats all :)
in other words: they made internet forum, but people on the forum started to argue.
The "main purpose" is whatever you want it to be.
Not at all, I'm pretty average compared to the most astonishingly brilliant thinkers in this forum.
My post simple served it's testing purpose after such brilliant replies. :D
Please, carry on!
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Holy shit, the second half of this guys video is actually reasonable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoxVkGHzI0
I guess it can be whatever you want, but if the intention is not to learn better understanding of the subject through discussion I don't see much sense in it.
If you're only doing it for winning you can't change your opinion. You most likely ignore everything that doesn't support your theories, pull up some convenient stats and end up just feeding your ego.
Russians aren't known for being subtle. They smack down everything in their path.
The main benefit, even if you do not accept this as a benefit, is that you formulate your position in a social context, not only intellectual self-reinforcement(thinking about it). It also makes it easier for yourself to identify/realize where you really stand in relation to others.
The secondary benefit is that the onlookers, the silent observers, sees the exchange and can make up their own mind about which position they would take... or as Karasu seems to imply: They can judge if this "posturing" is worth spending a single second of their mortal lives on.
Also, the whole "lol it's so stupid and low status to argue ON THE INTERNET :) :) :)" is so 1995. There is literally nothing making real life arguing "better" or "superior"; and nothing making arguing on the internet worse. On the contrary, there are tons of positives to arguing on the internet, such as being able to check sources immediately.
How extremely surprising that you defend this line of thought, since your only purpose in life is arguing on the internet.How extremely surprising that you're unable to provide any reasoning to the contrary, since your only purpose in life is being a moron.
Ah the internet yeah... the place for nerds and meaningless discussions.. if only it was used for something useful for once...
:DHuehuehue You thought being serious and clever would be enough to stop this back and forth?
Thanks, man. I just felt the need to go 105% serious since you guys seemed to get into a one sentence back and forth needlessly.
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Ah the internet yeah... the place for nerds and meaningless discussions.. if only it was used for something useful for once...
Shouting that is even worse than shouting "Allahu akbar."
Respecting the dead was hypocrisy? The game isn't going to start for one minute anyhow, the least you could do is shut up for the duration.
They can't even respect symbolic gestures for their own dead by terrorist attacks, what makes you think they would for french people?
Anyways, this is like the perfect microcosm. Stupid fucking ignorant dhimmi leftists like pepe and "moderate" muslims like Dede making endless excuses for barbaric islamists. Really Dede, it was a "protest"? And when they did the same thing after the Ankara bombings, what was that in protest of? Disengenuous piece of shit. You're either an idiot or a liar.
Good effort Oberyn.
That response is precisely what I meant. Thanks for living up to my expectations :D
I actually more meant about the scholars part.
You are describing the whole thing as if the martyrdom motto has any tangible meaning anymore. These dogs nowadays always shout either "Allah Akbar" or the line about martyrs whenever anti-government people are brutally murdered. These two are used in the same context. It really doesn't have to involve a Turkish soldier being killed by a terrorist. It has become an oxymoron.
Really, I don't want to disrespect you like I did in our latest argument, but I think you have been away for too long from Turkey that you don't have a sound idea about what kind of hellhole it has become. I'd advise you to at least drop the whole terrorist-martyr talk. Today, if you are a Muslim belonging to a sect other than the Sunni or if you are an atheist worst of all, someone who opposes war, an enivorenmental activist, a worker that is a member of an independent union (not one of the government handled ones, which we call a "yellow union"), god forbid a Christian or Jew, an Armenian, somebody who doesn't like Tardogan (as if you absolutely have to); if you don't believe in all the false inflation figures bullshit etc. spewed on your face on TV all day long; if you don't worship asphalt and double-lane highways; if you question instead of blindly accepting just anything; or if you don't like Islam being shoved down children's throats at school starting from primary school; you are a fucking terrorist. That is that and it won't change.
In that case, even crowds of mobs that are in favor of lynching you will shout out the same lines. And no, you don't hear that in almost all football matches. That is again something you don't seem to know. By the way, you previously claimed that you prefer to question things, not jump to conclusions. But the fact that you are explicitly calling victims of Suruç and Ankara bombings terrorists tells me otherwise.
.. But the fact that you are explicitly calling victims of Suruç and Ankara bombings terrorists tells me otherwise.
... And no, you don't hear that in almost all football matches. That is again something you don't seem to know...Well, I watched many football matches and I know what I'm talking about.
They shoutet "Şehi.tler ölmez, vatan bölünmez", it means something like"Martyrs never die, our land/nation will not be divided".
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If I selective quote anything, I can make whatever message I want.
Good job selective quoting that bible text.
If I selective quote anything, I can make whatever message I want.
Turkey the most secular muslim country, Oberyn? What about Senegal? 94% of population is muslim but no terrorism in sight, a catholic president democratically elected and a good stability for several years... Maybe it could calm your nerves Oberyn (altough I have some doubt)
http://www.courrierinternational.com/article/vu-du-senegal-une-societe-ouverte-lantidote-contre-daech (http://www.courrierinternational.com/article/vu-du-senegal-une-societe-ouverte-lantidote-contre-daech) (sorry to non-frog-eater)
Actually a lot of the western/subsaharan muslims are completely fine as well. I like senegalese people a lot, for example. Never had any problems with them, never seen a senagalese jihadist filled with loathing and hatred for France and the french people, fantasizing constantly about killing the kuffar.The salafist/wahhabist theologic empire built by Saudi Arabia hasn't penetrated the ancient sufi traditions of subsaharan Africa (the Hausa-Fulani from the interior are a different story) to the point it has in say, Pakistan, a country that went from being dominated by sufi thought to being dominated by deobandi fanatics calling all the ancient traditions shirk and haram, accomplished thanks to the bottomless oil money from SA making sure all the mosques and governments preached a version of Islam closer to their own. They've given up funding the deobandis now though, and are just funding the salafist/wahhabist outright.
Shia Islam is also in every way a better fit for the modern western world than sunni Islam, largely because it was not affected by the backwards looking Asha'rite theology that closed the gates of Ijtihad. Shia terrorism is negligeable compared to sunni, and not just because there are much less of them overall.
It's no coincidence that the vast majority of attacks in France are from morrocans and algerians. No senegalese cutting off heads in the streets, no malians shooting up trains, no vietnamese planning out "retribution" for claims of oppression, racism, and imperialism, even though all these groups would have as much legitimate claim to it if not more than the morrocans and algerians. There have been various waves of immigrants to France already, and there were never russian orthodox zealots trying to kill native french out of a practically racial hatred and loathing, there were never italian extremists, there were never armenian cells planning out bombings and terror attacks. I don't think you realize the ammount of terrorist attacks that are stopped on a yearly basis, we only ever hear the ones that manage to set it in motion. The common link and source is obviously sunni extremism, and I don't see how willingly accepting more and more and more of them is in any way rational.
I can imagine Oberyn writhing as he reads this:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/19/glenn_greenwald_on_submissive_medias_drumbeat
'It’s the weirdest part of the war on terror, which is that there’s one country basically most identified with the 9/11 attacks and the ideology that drove it, and that happens to be the second-closest ally of the United States in that region, which is Saudi Arabia. They not only were responsible for lots of parts of al-Qaeda, but are funding, in lots of different ways, ISIS, as well. And yet we continue to hug them while waging war on countries that have never had anything to do with attacks on our country.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3326708/Jihadists-gunmen-launch-grenade-shooting-rampage-hotel-Mali.html
Not daesh, AQMI. The same group of jihadists that coopted the touareg rebellion for the "liberation of Azawad" (which was already mostly based on religious extremism and blatant racism against the bambara and other subsaharan africans, but they did have some legitimate claims) and turned it into the same islamist shitshow present in the rest of the sunni muslim world. It's largely algerians, lately bolstered by tunisians and lybians, along with a few moroccans and mauritanians thrown in for good measure. These cunts have been wandering the impossible to guard borders of the Sahara for decades now, fed by drug money and the usual "charitable" islamic organizations that serve as monetary fronts for islamic extremism.
Should be in this thread too:
But nah... nothing to do with Islam. Just a few radical terrorists with no support from the rest of the Muslims. :rolleyes:
So you understand turkish? Next time check you facts before you start spewing shit smartass. Seeinstein Ulmez vatan BolunmezMaybe you should read the thread next time before trying to be a smartass, so you wouldn't be spewing shit yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ockN9182LmM
Maybe you should read the thread next time before trying to be a smartass, so you wouldn't be spewing shit yourself.
Yeah nice comeback broI wish I could say the same about yours.
in the Russian defence ministry video soldiers can be seen writing messages on the bombs before loading them onto the aircraft - phrases like: "This is revenge for our dead" and "This is for Paris".
So far, they have helped who they originally intended to help. I don't see anything wrong with the lack of subtlety here.
Meanwhile, Turkey has warned Russia that it must immediately stop bombing "civilian Turkmen villages" in Syria, close to the Turkish border.
Meanwhile, Turkey has warned Russia that it must immediately stop bombing "civilian Turkmen villages" in Syria, close to the Turkish border.
bombing Irak made Al Qaida
bombing Al Qaida made ISIS
Now bombing ISIS will create bigger monster...
stupid warlovers, unable to learn from their mistakes.
bombing Irak made Al Qaidavisitors can't see pics , please register or login
bombing Al Qaida made ISIS
Now bombing ISIS will create bigger monster...
stupid warlovers, unable to learn from their mistakes.
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Turns out there is a black-and-white solution to this problem, well i'll be...
You cant bomb an idea! You can only bomb everyone who believes in that idea.
On a related note I hear that Paris is a really violent and scary place right about now full of terrorists, and there's only really one way to be certain we've contained this recent outbreak of terrorists... Sorry Paris.
Wait, so ideas are bulletproof? So if guns don't kill people, and they cant even hurt an idea, what exactly are guns good for?
France cant get attacked any more if we nuke it, I'm done playing soft with these terrorists! We already have google maps so the rest of the world can remember how France used to look.
I'd be cool with nuclear war.
I'm a big fan of tinned food if I get to live.
"Kill them all" is exactly the same way as terrorrists do.
Thinking like terrorists makes you as bad as they are...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/571468/UK-terror-warning-1600-Brits-join-ISIS-terrorists-and-500-are-back-on-our-streets
Sorry Europe, but you've got to go. I think you fgts have sent more people to fight for ISIS than against them. Your feeble attempts at trying to bring the United States into the Islamic Europa Caliphate have failed. Once Barack Hussein Obama is out of office all non-Slavs must perish.
You didnt even watch the video do you? He's part of the syrian rebels.
Every westerners going there are not joining ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
There is 4 major sides in the Syrian civil war: government, rebel, ISIS, and kurds (and various minor factions). There is tension/friendship between those 4 groups, but certainly not everyone participating in this war is a terrorist or even a muslim.
Some people that went to Syria are actively helping defeat the governmental army of Syria, led by Bashar al-Assad. I hope that you want him to be dethroned as much as you want ISIS to be defeated.
Now back to our dear Yilmaz. He's there to oppose Assad, because his hero Erdogan says Assad is the devil. What he's doing there beside participating in war himself. Teaching young people. Many of those are children born there and they will grow to become ISIL soldiers, simply because at this point they have no better option. He may not be ISIL soldier, but right difference between rebels and ISIL is almost non existent and what Yilmaz is doing will strengthen ISIL forces.
You didnt even watch the video do you? He's part of the syrian rebels.
Every westerners going there are not joining ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
There is 4 major sides in the Syrian civil war: government, rebel, ISIS, and kurds (and various minor factions). There is tension/friendship between those 4 groups, but certainly not everyone participating in this war is a terrorist or even a muslim.
Some people that went to Syria are actively helping defeat the governmental army of Syria, led by Bashar al-Assad. I hope that you want him to be dethroned as much as you want ISIS to be defeated.
You have wisdom, yet you cannot blame the man named Yilmaz (if he does not lie about his involvement in the war) for the consequence of his teaching. Whether the men he train and fight with will help ISIL in the long run is not something that he can control. It cannot be used as a reason to not try to help a cause that you deem just. To do no evil is good, to intend none better.
It is the same guilty rationalism problem we have about attacking ISIL directly: will it leave the country at peace or will we only sow the seeds of a new war? As the man said, he doesnt want to sit at home and do nothing, I respect a man of action, even if he has olive skin and big beard.
We might be derailing this thread but I would like to know more about why you think he needs Erdogan to paint Bashar as an evil man. Every westerner thinks the same.
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginHowso? You squeeze the mosquito instead of slapping it. Problem solved with precision violence.
Howso? You squeeze the mosquito instead of slapping it. Problem solved with precision violence.
How often do you squeeze a mosquito? You slap the fuckers. You don't want blood mixed with insect juice on your balls bro.
Just use the electric fly swatter :lol:
How often do you squeeze a mosquito? You slap the fuckers. You don't want blood mixed with insect juice on your balls bro.Well, since a mosquito has never been on my balls, the answer to your question is: never.
You pick a hell-of-a-time to do a trial run then, squeezing your first ever mosquito whilst it's on your balls?https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/17.4_kHz_sound.ogg
At least do a practice run and try squeezing some that aren't on your balls first.
Xant has balls? :shock:
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But there's a question here that has gotten me, how the hell wasn't the crowd being protected by a shitton of military personnel and policemen ?
how the hell wasn't the crowd being protected by a shitton of military personnel and policemen ?
Muslims again?
Population of France = ~70m
Police/Military/Security = ~500k
No way a well-made surprise attack of any kind can be stopped before happening, only intelligence can and it cannot always. The modus operandi of the terrorists is the perfect kind of surprise attack: doesnt care to die, explosives, guns, etc... They will always win, we cant stop them before they are dead, and they often die after killing lots of us. We have to be ready for that and just keep living, or fighting for those who are in the police/military/security or gun carrying :)
I watch television news for one thing and one thing only: entertainment. That's all I want from the news; entertainment. You know my favorite thing on television? Bad news. Bad news and disasters and accidents and catastrophes. I want to see some explosions and fires, I want to see shit blowing up and bodies flying around!
I'm not interested in the budget. I don't care about tax negotiations. I don't want to know what country the fucking pope is in. But you show me a hospital that's on fire and people on crutches are jumping off the roof and I'm a happy guy! I'm a happy guy!
I'm a happy guy! I want to see a paint factory blowing up. I want to see an oil refinery explode. I want to see a tornado hit a church on Sunday. I want to see people... I want to know there's some guy running through the K-Mart with an automatic weapon firing at the clerks. I want to see thousands of people in the street killing policemen. I want to hear about a nuclear meltdown. I want to know the stock market dropped two thousand points in one day. I want to see people under pressure. Sirens, flames, smoke, bodies, graves being filled, parents weeping. Exciting shit. My kind of TV. I just want some entertainment. It's just the kind of guy I am. It's the kind of guy I am. You know what I love the most? When big chunks of concrete and fiery wood are falling out of the sky and people are running around trying to get out of the way. Exciting shit. That's why I watch auto racing. That's the only reason I watch auto racing. I'm waiting for some accidents, man! I want to see some cars on fire. I don't care about a bunch of redneck jackoffs driving five hundred miles in a circle. Five hundred miles in a circle. Children can do that, for Christ's sakes. Doesn't impress me. I want to see some schmuck with his hair on fire running around punching his own head trying to put it out. I want to see the pits explode! I want to see a car doing a two hundred mile an hour cartwheel. Hey, where else besides auto racing am I gonna see a twenty-three car collision and not be in the son of a bitch?
And if a car flies out of control, lands in the stands and kills fifty spectators, fine. Fuck 'em! Serves 'em right. They paid to get in, let 'em take their chances with everybody else. Just means more fun for me. More fun for me!
Radical islamists aka jihadists. Muslims are fine peoples...
Thing is, the truck was driven through 2 kms. And why hasn't there been checkpoints/limits for vehicules to stop 200 meters before the crowd, considering it's the goddamn national day ? Because whenever there's an event, there has to be policemen+military personnel inside the crowd and beside it to prevent such massacres. I wonder aswell if the intel agencies did their job, and if the guy was known as a radicalized person. Whenever such things happen, it's more than legitimate to learn from what was missing or what could've been done better to avoid such tragic events to happen again.
eye for an eye- radical opinion inside
Makes me wonder why won't they just drop a nuke into jihadists' hive. Sure, some innocent muslims would die as well, but it's a fair trade for preventing the deaths of lots more victims of future attacks. The nuke would be doing muslims a favour too - technically they'd die fighting infidels, so they get their virgins in heaven and everything. Here's an idea: build some gas chambers in the shape of a corridor with a christian priest at the end, in an isolated suit and oxygen supply. Invite muslims to fight the infidel, except they wouldn't make it to the priest. They die fighting the infidel, we get rid of terrorists. It's a win-win situation.
Are you muslim, perhaps?nah I'm an irish Pollock but do you want it to stop?
he ordered an entire tribe of jews beheaded in Medina ( one of Islams holy sites) Muhammad would be considered a terrorist in 2016.
I wonder when will they actually do something against ISIS. Y'know, military campaign and shit, air strikes on empty fields is a lie they've been telling us for years on PKK, so I'm not buying that. What is the reason that ISIS can survive this long I need an explanation.
ISIS have lost a lot of ground this year so far. But it's slow. I guess because they have so many supporters and are quite well organised/equipped.
what's the point they can just drop their guns and cross the Turkish border and go to Europe as refugees thanks to Merkel
I wonder when will they actually do something against ISIS. Y'know, military campaign and shit, air strikes on empty fields is a lie they've been telling us for years on PKK, so I'm not buying that. What is the reason that ISIS can survive this long I need an explanation.
Ye but its basically Syrians, Kurds and Russians actually doing smth, why are the so called great powers actually doing something, because there is no gain?
Ye lol and now they will give citizenship to 5 million Syrians expect me to migrate too.
I feel so jealous for the modern multiculturalistic France. They are having so much fun, while we have none. How can it be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France
Meanwhile in my backwards racist islamophobic homphobic antisemitic and nationalistic country noone dies like that, women do not get raped, and in general crimes are not commited by all of these peace seeking mostly males in their 20 and 30, travelling more than half of the EUrope to live off of the benefits, poor refugees... there are NONE here!
I hope my country, will one day become modern, as the EU wants it, and we will be having all these things happening on our soil! Thats so modern, and good for the people here. I want to feel so called "cultural enrichment", most of the people in the EU say it is the best option for me, would they dare to be lying? I do not think so. For all these year of us being in the EU, they had shown us they are the people we can trust, and that they want the best for us.
Weather it is a bomb, or a bullet to the head. I am ready for cultural enrichment.
If you agree with my point of view, please do copy and paste below # all over the internet. That is one of the tactics used by liberals to fight the "bad guys".
#Proudtobelesbiangaybitransqueerkilleveryonethatdisagreewithmeonlyliberallifesmattersaynotoracismislamophobicantisemiticnationalisticcountriesprepareforculturalenrichmentcrayonepowersavemorerefugees
Thing is, the truck was driven through 2 kms. And why hasn't there been checkpoints/limits for vehicules to stop 200 meters before the crowd, considering it's the goddamn national day ? Because whenever there's an event, there has to be policemen+military personnel inside the crowd and beside it to prevent such massacres. I wonder aswell if the intel agencies did their job, and if the guy was known as a radicalized person. Whenever such things happen, it's more than legitimate to learn from what was missing or what could've been done better to avoid such tragic events to happen again.
So, where are the shouts to ban guns? If guns were illegal, this wouldn't have happened!!!!!! I mean trucks. Ban assault trucks.
nah I'm an irish Pollock but do you want it to stop?
disclaimer this is just the opinion of a drunken idiot
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-california-idUSKCN0PV21020150721LOL, this fucking story again. Retards thinking someone owning 1200 guns is more dangerous than them owning a 1 gun. Protip, you can only shoot 1 at a time, the 1199 other guns don't increase the danger level in the slightest. In fact, someone owning that many just means they're a collector, not someone who's out to buy a tool for their human-killing, so someone like that is actually much safer than someone with 1 gun.
All purchased legally, didn't raise any flags, ATF didn't even bother with him, LA must be the safest place on earth.
women do not get raped,
70 people dies killed by muslim terroristis just a prank bro
:shock: :shock: :shock:
PS. 70 people dies killed by muslim terrorist and we've got barely a dozen of posts... How more dead this forum could be?
PS. 70 people dies killed by muslim terrorist and we've got barely a dozen of posts... How more dead this forum could be?
LOL, this fucking story again. Retards thinking someone owning 1200 guns is more dangerous than them owning a 1 gun. Protip, you can only shoot 1 at a time, the 1199 other guns don't increase the danger level in the slightest. In fact, someone owning that many just means they're a collector, not someone who's out to buy a tool for their human-killing, so someone like that is actually much safer than someone with 1 gun.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
PS. 70 people dies killed by muslim terrorist and we've got barely a dozen of posts... How more dead this forum could be?
ISIS have lost a lot of ground this year so far. But it's slow. I guess because they have so many supporters and are quite well organised/equipped.
They could back Assad instead of rebels. There would be civil casualties, blatant disregard of international laws, all kinds of nasty shit. But majority of Syrians would stay in Syria and ISIL would be probably be a lot weaker. History shows that Soviet controlled middle east is mostly peaceful (at expense of civil liberties and what not) and that American influence in there created mayhem and havoc.
Of course, this has nothing to do with people and their well being. It is all about resource control, like in every decent RTS :D
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but what else they can do.
There are numerous claims that European countries arepillaging Syrian oilbuying IS oil just like our shithole of a country. Maybe because of that?
All I know is that a real western alliance could more than easily shred them to bits, if they really wanted to. Sadly all that anti-IS alliance story is bullshit. So far Russia has been the only nation to have actually done something to stop the goatfuckers to the West's dismay.
Yeah, they bombed everyone except ISIS.
A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week, that the killers in the Bataclan appear to have tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.
The chief police witness in Parliament testified that on the night of the attacks, an investigating officer, tears streaming down his face, rushed out of the Bataclan and vomited in front of him just after seeing the disfigured bodies.
The 14-hour testimony about the November attacks took place March 21st.
According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers reportedly gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were reportedly stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.
But prosecutors at the hearing claimed these reports of torture were “a rumor” on the grounds that sharp knives were not found at the scene. They also claimed that maybe shrapnel had caused the injuries.
You can tell that to the burnt-down smuggled oil trucks and the jihadist Turkmen goatfuckers, who were the most acclaimed "civilians" supposedly hit by Russia. You murricans should seriously start pulling your heads out of your asses with the entire anti-Russian propaganda. At least they aren't destroying every single stable ME state on every possible occasion, like the united states of terrorism does.
The end solution is possibly worse than what is happening now. Do you want 12 million Islamic State civilians crossing Turkey and then into Europe? What will Turkey do when an independent Kurdish state is formed on Turkey's border? Do you think Russia was joking when they said they will defend Assad's claim to every inch of territory, do you want to see a chance of WW3 started over a some desert shithole territorial dispute?
Russia and the Syrian Arab Army are the only realistic ones to end that war, airstrikes alone aren't going to completely defeat ISIS when they are able to recruit from a pool of 12 million civilians, Russia and the Syrian government will not agree to any concessions so ground intervention is impossible there on the west's behalf for the most part.
You seriously think that 100% of the population under IS control would just emigrate if it blew up, or that they are all willing to fight in the IS army?
And the WW3 is more likely to happen if, you know, US bombs someone the Russian supports, and keep supporting someone Russian bombs rightfully? Thats the worse case scenario right here in terms of diplomacy.
What will Turkey do when an independent Kurdish state is formed on Turkey's border?
Turkey has helped vilify Assad as much as the rest of the west and allowed itself to be a doormat for T's travelling there, so who's really to blame here?
Some people seem to have developed a cringing reaction against that. So I am not doing it.
Please do go on, I can take it! :mrgreen:
The instability in the region is increased, by this two-sided proxy war; I would even say that the state of war is artificially sustained. There is already thousands of thousands of refugees because the big powers of our world cant sit around a table and decide who will die first. There will be more and more terrorism and a bigger migration crisis because the issue is not solved, so basically we are already doing what you fear Grytviken.
It's not about "one guy", it's about what you can legally own in the states, this is just an example of how retarded the law is, imagine he was a vet who went mad and got his few pals together so shoot those lovely snipers at cops, oh wait...Oh no, you can legally be a collector, what a disaster, what horror. So what if he was a vet who "got mad", how do his 1200 guns come into it? Why couldn't his pals get their own guns? And I heard recently someone ran over a ton of people with a truck, did you hear about that? Man, you should lobby to make it impossible for people to own multiple trucks, imagine what devastation someone would cause if they owned TWELVE HUNDRED TRUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you arguing about fucking gun control YET AGAIN in a thread about a muslim terrorist attack? Just ignore the idiot regressive apologists going for their usual completely irrelevant pet causes in their classic attempts to draw attention away from the obvious.Because that's just it, this attack proves it's not about guns, like the apologists have been trying to say the other times.
So I'm a braindead cultist bundle of sticks because I responded to Xants moronic "ban guns" like it's totally related to this terrorist attack. Ok, thx for the compliments.
No problem you apologist piece of shit. I look forward to you complaining about anything at all but muslim terrorism the next time another muslim terrorist attack inevitably happens in my country, like you usually do.
scary shit (mature content) (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b81_1468627473)
The perpetrator was shot, so it was guns that stopped the attack. He came out of the truck shooting, some of the dead and wounded were shot as he sprayed into the crowd, it wasn't all from the truck. The death poll could've been even higher. GJ on focusing on the important things though, truly essential that this can be used for an anti-gun platform. I swear to god people are literally fucking retarded.Are you sure? What's the official word on it now? Heard so many conflicting reports, some say he only had a revolver and was firing but hit no one, and that the perpetrator was the ONLY death from gunfire, and that he had some fake assault rifle... or something.
The perpetrator was shot, so it was guns that stopped the attack. He came out of the truck shooting, some of the dead and wounded were shot as he sprayed into the crowd, it wasn't all from the truck. The death poll could've been even higher. GJ on focusing on the important things though, truly essential that this can be used for an anti-gun platform. I swear to god people are literally fucking retarded.
No problem you apologist piece of shit. I look forward to you complaining about anything at all but muslim terrorism the next time another muslim terrorist attack inevitably happens in my country, like you usually do.
Pour tous les français qui lisent encore ce forum: le ministre de l'Intérieur a appelé samedi soir "tous les Français patriotes qui le souhaitent" à rejoindre la réserve opérationnelle de la police et de la gendarmerie nationale.Hahahaha merde....moi qui ait rejoins l'armée française pour échapper à mon service en Suisse.... :rolleyes: :lol:
Perso je conseillerai plutôt de rejoindre la réserve de l'armée de terre.