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Title: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 27, 2014, 06:43:01 pm
lets stand united against ban-happy admins in our game of rapidly dwindling population

i think i can sum up my point of this post by sharing with u the PM i sent to ganner this morning

"I dont even like Allers at ALL but you're a fucking shitty admin"

#fireganner
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: karasu on June 27, 2014, 06:44:51 pm
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Lemon_ on June 27, 2014, 06:54:32 pm
#(B)anner
#(B)anary
#Tyd(ouche)
#(B)annPappy
#firebadmins
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on June 27, 2014, 07:11:15 pm
Reminder that based Churchill completely shrekt Allers the madbad autistic feeder

P.S. fuck the goblin king
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Dexxtaa on June 27, 2014, 07:22:28 pm
I don't even care what this cause is for, but I saw this video and thought I'd post it somewhere.

So let's call it "When Admins make us do unban essays"


Also, Ganner's cool.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Mae. on June 27, 2014, 07:28:28 pm
pretty sure you can only get banned for suicide leeching or no weapon.. he said he didnt feel like blocking and any admin that doesnt like him hopped all over that. if the admin(s) that banned him played enough they'd know blocking really IS over rated and footwork prevails over that shit any day. banned for not being a brown nosing fa ggot, gf allers i see you..

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 27, 2014, 07:46:29 pm
allers
one not blocking allers is still better then 100 try hard ganners
Which is not off by much in truth lol
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 27, 2014, 07:52:58 pm
i mean for real there are tons of players that don't even try to block and dont get banned

for fuck sake look at axeman of acre i havent seen that guy block once since he started playing, but HES NOT BANNED

come on admins you have to be fucking fair you shitheads
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DrTaco on June 27, 2014, 08:20:17 pm
Oh shit, I better start wearing better armor or I might get banned for leeching.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 27, 2014, 08:29:44 pm
Quote from: Mae. on June 27, 2014, 07:28:28 pm
pretty sure you can only get banned for suicide leeching or no weapon..


Pretty sure you can get banned for literally any reason, largely dependent on the collective mood of the admins.


Anywho, banning someone for not blocking is completely infantile, as the famous legendary mighty Ivan has blocked less then five times in his entire c-RPG career...


On the other hand, I wasn't there and I would not be surprised if he was banned for some other reason, considering our community's love of spin threads, and the particular social circle that posted this thread...

#FreeAllers2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 27, 2014, 08:30:46 pm
Why do we idolize people that have obviously been banned many times, are abusers of the rules, and should know better since they've been playing for 3+ years?

I like Allers as an individual, he's pleasant when he's not being a troll, as are most of you "Rallying behind him". But this is bullshit, and a bad standard for our community "Someone got banned, for the Xth time, let's just support him!" So stupid. Let's act like adults here, even though most of us aren't, and realize that the Admins and Devs have a Community Standard to uphold--and someone who has blatantly been a thorn in their side for a long time is obviously going to receive harsher punishments for a lesser "crime". It's like being on Parole, you fuck up once during that time--you're going back in a cell with Bubba.

Quote from Allers "Not really leaching, I run into the battle with equipment i choose to die by them hitting me  I need money so i go with cheap gear and i dont feel like trying so i choose to not block? I dont feel like trying when im not well equipped and since I need money i need to go with cheap gear?"  He said it himself, and we all know it's against the rules. Doesn't matter how you try to sugarcoat it, it is.
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 27, 2014, 08:32:03 pm
Looks like someone is forgetting the existence of the Cool Kids Club.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DrTaco on June 27, 2014, 08:37:28 pm
I wouldn't call this rallying behind allers. I prefer to call this "He was banned for not trying - which is bullshit." In my brain (which in the next few posts I suspect someone to say isn't working correctly because I dare to fucking disagree), I deduce that i'd rather not have just anyone banned on very shaky reasoning just because he's been banned before.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 27, 2014, 08:52:05 pm
see tanken your first mistake was not reading the OP clearly enough

i do not like allers

in fact i would say i probably actively dislike him, i mean fuck him what a cunt

but i believe that banning him was a step in the direction of shitidiocy and a step too far at that

so i stand up for whats right
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 27, 2014, 08:53:05 pm
Quote from: DrTaco on June 27, 2014, 08:37:28 pm
I wouldn't call this rallying behind allers. I prefer to call this "He was banned for not trying - which is bullshit." In my brain (which in the next few posts I suspect someone to say isn't working correctly because I dare to fucking disagree), I deduce that i'd rather not have just anyone banned on very shaky reasoning just because he's been banned before.

I'm not saying I particularly agree with the level of harshness in which he was banned for the offense, but c'mon, it's a very thin line that he's walking there between right and wrong. Anyone can be banned or warned for what he was doing, however, Admins see this as "It -is- Allers, he has a record."

I'm not sure what I would have done in Ganner's position, so I don't want to pass judgement necessarily on that. Besides, everyone in c-rpg knows we only hand out Temporary Permabans (in most cases).

Edit: Damn it Daruvian, you literally posted 2 seconds before me while I was trying to clarify my stance lol.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Novamere on June 27, 2014, 09:04:34 pm
Allers should learn from all my previous mistakes like i have. Its like TANKEN said you go on parole if u get a new CD-Key or come off a lengthy ban and the community/devs/admins do not forgive or forget!

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 27, 2014, 09:07:13 pm
Like I said in the other thread, I think Allers is a phenomenal cunt at times, but the man is innocent. Allers din' do nuffin'!

Although I still think it's fucking hilarious that he got wrongfully banned. If he gets unbanned, justice has been served. If he does not, I can still chuckle about it. I'm stoked that I have a small nerd-victory either way.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Nightingale on June 27, 2014, 09:12:08 pm
I don't really know what happened; but I can say his chances of being unbanned on this account is slim to none... I mean this is like what his 5th or 6th account? He should just buy warband while its on sale; really couldn't have chose a better time to be perma banned.

Allers I highly recommend you stop trying to work through loop holes because you are bound to get caught just follow the general guide line and rules set by the website and this whole thing could have been avoided ;BEST way to avoid abusive admins is to not try to bend the rules/break them.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Chilled_SWF on June 27, 2014, 09:40:24 pm
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on June 27, 2014, 08:32:03 pm
Looks like someone is forgetting the existence of the Cool Kids Club.

SURE TEARS WILL COME ON THIS FORUM BUT HE WONT COME ON TS

Sobs in corner waiting for more unban essays to read
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 27, 2014, 09:45:15 pm
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Congrats tank burner
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on June 27, 2014, 09:55:26 pm
So Allers doesn't try sometimes. What kind of cunt fucking shitsock would think that's a ban worthy offense?

Ganner you're an old, inactive cunt who probably shouldn't be an admin anymore anyway. If this is the type of adminning we're alright with, we might as well put smoothrich and goretooth back on the team.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on June 27, 2014, 10:36:55 pm
My only thing is the elitism nutcupping that occurs between non friends of the admin team.

I believe i only have one ban on record, and it was some bullshit blatent lie. But I think that was back with NA_Community and their band of lame-ass badmins. As far as the current team, my only ever issue was with Mae, and the baby squad at the time, who were all using throwing lances, and TK'd me at the start of each round for almost an entire map (3-4 rounds) after I accidently tk'd a baby.

I made a post, had screenshots of the remnant scrubs typing in chat which countered their forum responses to my ban post, basically pointing out the fact that they are caught red handed lying, and all of them got off with a "warning" due to fanboism. I don't care though because its a game..

But its frustrating for me, being a no-name non-forum trolling community member, if someone would post a screenshot of a random TK I would be instantly banned no questions asked.

I just want it to be fair across the board, if this was anyone other than Allers, im sure the same sentence would not be given.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Bronto on June 27, 2014, 10:39:12 pm
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 27, 2014, 11:25:44 pm
Quote from: HardRice on June 27, 2014, 09:55:26 pm
So Allers doesn't try sometimes. What kind of cunt fucking shitsock would think that's a ban worthy offense?

Ganner you're an old, inactive cunt who probably shouldn't be an admin anymore anyway. If this is the type of adminning we're alright with, we might as well put smoothrich and goretooth back on the team.

I'm not alright with this type of adminning, but I still genuinely want Smoothrich as head admin.

SMOOTHRICH FOR HEAD ADMIN
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HEAD ADMIN 2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 28, 2014, 12:49:57 am
It's okay to wear cheap items. I do it frequently, I even have loomed +3 peasant gear. It's okay to play very aggressively and charge early into the round. Even if the player "could do better" they aren't obligated to give it 100% effort every round they play.

Not sure I have had to do this with one of Allers's characters, but almost every time I've played in the past month I see someone straight up suiciding. Running into the enemy spawn without swinging or blocking. When I warn or kick them they usually reply "I have more than zero points I'm not leeching!" or something like that. I might express distaste in allchat if you are almost-suiciding and contributing little to your team, but if you cross the line and don't even try I will warn and/or kick you. Don't lie when you rejoin the server. If I saw you make a beeline straight to the meatgrinder without even pretending to attack or defend I will kick you. Haven't had to hand out a ban for this yet- even if I get called a badmin shithead noob pissfucker who doesn't even know the server rules kill you'are self bitch, the player stops leeching and at least gives 1% effort. It's really not that hard of a rule to follow. Play the game, or don't.

I can't believe people are crying about "we lost another player we only have 70 on the server!!!" If that player is alive for 15 seconds every round and their only goal is to die as fast as possible then are you really going to miss them? They are practically not there already.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: StonedSteel on June 28, 2014, 12:55:01 am
Holy fuck man, I remember when i first started playing this shit, getting ridiculous bans, I named this mod "thee most bannable game ever made" in a forum post a long while back...meh, when your right your right.

Ganners, im saying it, your a fucking cunt, and if chaos members wont overturn this bullshit, i have no repsect for them either. fuck is wrong with you? clearly a personal vendetta, no fucking way you havent noticed all the YYY chinese players ACTUALLY suicide leeching. Like, they dont even swing or nothing. Go on, tell me you didnt know about them, everyone does, certainly power abusing fgt admins have noticed.

Your gonna ban him for that...ban everyone else loser, like noone else here has ever been low on cash \ just feel like fucking around?
Noone else was just bored of trying hard, but had a goal to reach cash\xp wise...ive done what Allers did, TONS of times, your gonna tell  me plenty others havent? pff, you banned him cuz you dont like him, you gonna ban me too now?

And your "evidence" of leeching, get fucked, I have plenty of SS of Allers using that char in gear doing great, i have some just a lil while ago of him and me DOMINATING conquest with kingsloth...this was just a lil bit ago.

Fire Tydeus
Fire Chaos

^ They dont know how to make this game fun, only ruin how fun it used to be

#FREEALLERSBANGANNER2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on June 28, 2014, 02:53:21 am
If you are not part of the cRPG inner circle of cool brehs, ya mid aswell craft up a shit sandwich.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Kaoklai on June 28, 2014, 03:00:25 am
Quote from: PieceOfShit on June 28, 2014, 12:49:57 am
I can't believe people are crying about "we lost another player we only have 70 on the server!!!" If that player is alive for 15 seconds every round and their only goal is to die as fast as possible then are you really going to miss them? They are practically not there already.

Are admins pretending now that that's how Allers usually plays? 

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Christo on June 28, 2014, 03:01:28 am
Looks like it is drama season for a while now.

Good. Good.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on June 28, 2014, 03:54:48 am
Maybe they should make a NA9_Competetive server if people really want to get this fucking serious about it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on June 28, 2014, 05:32:09 am
I love these threads.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 28, 2014, 05:37:49 am
Quote from: Kaoklai on June 28, 2014, 03:00:25 am
Quote from: PieceOfShit on Today at 12:49:57 am

fucking lol'd

its the little details like this that make the difference between [posting and funposting

also tanken seriously youre letting your neckbeard get too deep into this, its a fucking video game, the guy doesnt deserve to be banned for not trying hard enough at the video game
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Dionysus on June 28, 2014, 06:10:08 am
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 27, 2014, 06:43:01 pm
"I dont even like INSERT C-RPG PLAYER at ALL but you're a fucking shitty admin"

But support. #occupyNA1
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Mae. on June 28, 2014, 06:20:22 am
Quote from: kooktar on June 27, 2014, 10:36:55 pm
lol who the fuck am i

 :wink:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HarryCrumb on June 28, 2014, 06:24:29 am
#freeSRELLA
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 28, 2014, 06:55:29 am
Quote from: Chilled_SWF on June 27, 2014, 09:40:24 pm
SURE TEARS WILL COME ON THIS FORUM BUT HE WONT COME ON TS

Sobs in corner waiting for more unban essays to read


I went on earlier but nobody (As in BC) was on :(


I'll try and swing by tomorrow night!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on June 28, 2014, 07:03:34 am
I find it hypocritical that some users here that are complaining the most made some nonsensical ban threads themselves. Should have manned up back then instead of getting mad enough to make a ban thread and foster such a community.

Many times there is some hidden agenda in ban threads, but someone made it due to some kind of frustration (or so believed). I don't want to see anyone banned (kicks on the other hand...  :twisted:) but shit happens, especially at night/drunk. No one backed him up in the ban thread that was up for 10 days and allers' own defense only hurt him in the end. He had a much better case without his post validating what the thread creator stated, since there were only pictures of him bottoming the scoreboard.

It can be argued whether or not such a final straw was needed from a "small" act, but you also have to take into consideration how many bans/extra chances he received in the past.. That's something I have no clue about. I think permabanning is more annoying than a normal ban most of the time on all levels.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Kaoklai on June 28, 2014, 08:28:47 am
Good job moving the goalposts, San.  You're shaping up to be an excellent shitmin.  People didn't post in the original thread because it was a total non-issue posted by a shitty "troll" (being generous here).  And when the admin team demonstrated their extreme incompetence by permabanning Allers, plenty of people posted in the unban thread until it was locked by...Ganner. 

Instead of hemming and hawing like the bitchmade fåggot your post makes you out to be, why don't you just answer a question straight up: do you think Allers should have been permanently banned for this? 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 28, 2014, 08:48:02 am
Quote from: San on June 28, 2014, 07:03:34 am
I find it hypocritical that some users here that are complaining the most made some nonsensical ban threads themselves. Should have manned up back then instead of getting mad enough to make a ban thread and foster such a community.

Many times there is some hidden agenda in ban threads, but someone made it due to some kind of frustration (or so believed). I don't want to see anyone banned (kicks on the other hand...  :twisted:) but shit happens, especially at night/drunk. No one backed him up in the ban thread that was up for 10 days and allers' own defense only hurt him in the end. He had a much better case without his post validating what the thread creator stated, since there were only pictures of him bottoming the scoreboard.

It can be argued whether or not such a final straw was needed from a "small" act, but you also have to take into consideration how many bans/extra chances he received in the past.. That's something I have no clue about. I think permabanning is more annoying than a normal ban most of the time on all levels.

I supported Allers in his ban thread, as did most people that posted in it. I think you're a good admin, but to say that nobody supported him in his ban thread isn't true.

EDIT: Actually I was completely wrong, wow nobody posted in his unban thread besides two people, only one of which somewhat supported him. Rofl, that sucks.

Still a shit ban, imo.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on June 28, 2014, 08:56:16 am
Motherfucker shouldn't need to have a bunch of people defending him over something as stupid as him not giving a fuck about performing.

And I think I've made one or two ban threads years ago.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on June 28, 2014, 08:56:57 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on June 28, 2014, 08:48:02 am
I supported Allers in his ban thread, as did most people that posted in it. I think you're a good admin, but to say that nobody supported him in his ban thread isn't true.

EDIT: Actually I was completely wrong, wow nobody posted in his unban thread besides two people, only one of which somewhat supported him. Rofl, that sucks.

Still a shit ban, imo.

This is coming from a user that NEVER EVER overly protests admin decisions about anything!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on June 28, 2014, 09:10:26 am
Quote from: EyeBeat on June 28, 2014, 08:56:57 am
This is coming from a user that NEVER EVER overly protests admin decisions about anything!
Riveting argument.

Seriously dude, I've always supported the admins in banning some shithead for being a shithead repeatedly (most recently, lemon) but this is a bullshit ban.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on June 28, 2014, 09:17:08 am
Quote from: HardRice on June 28, 2014, 09:10:26 am
Riveting argument.

Seriously dude, I've always supported the admins in banning some shithead for being a shithead repeatedly (most recently, lemon) but this is a bullshit ban.

But sir, I didn't quote you.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on June 28, 2014, 09:18:10 am
Reminder
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on June 28, 2014, 09:22:29 am
Quote from: EyeBeat on June 28, 2014, 09:17:08 am
But sir, I didn't quote you.
I know, but you're acting like it's just Sandy stirring shit because he doesn't approve of admins when really it's due to this ban actually being unjustified.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Ganner on June 28, 2014, 10:11:46 am
This all seems familiar.

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762 (http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762)
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/)

Oh yea, those are 2 perma bans already. Not counting the rest in the past. 14 bans not counting global bans, across 3 accounts that I know of and we know he has more.  He knowingly skirted around the rules and has been abusive to multiple people including admins. You are all acting like allers wont still be on the server, when hes got more accounts and mount and blade is on sale on steam. Hes probably been playing since he found out he got banned. He has told me in the past it doesn't matter how many accounts we perma ban he will just keep on playing. So he gets to keep playing without his looms (which probably wont even be a punishment if he had them in his armory).

Im sure this will be locked or moved to the chamber of tears soon so heres a link to my feedback thread to keep the drama going http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/ (http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/)
Title: ITT: angry mad nerds getting angry and mad over video games
Post by: Chosen1 on June 28, 2014, 10:16:31 am
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 28, 2014, 10:58:48 am
Quote from: Ganner on June 28, 2014, 10:11:46 am
This all seems familiar.

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762 (http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762)
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/)

Oh yea, those are 2 perma bans already. Not counting the rest in the past. 14 bans not counting global bans, across 3 accounts that I know of and we know he has more.  He knowingly skirted around the rules and has been abusive to multiple people including admins. You are all acting like allers wont still be on the server, when hes got more accounts and mount and blade is on sale on steam. Hes probably been playing since he found out he got banned. He has told me in the past it doesn't matter how many accounts we perma ban he will just keep on playing. So he gets to keep playing without his looms (which probably wont even be a punishment if he had them in his armory).

Im sure this will be locked or moved to the chamber of tears soon so heres a link to my feedback thread to keep the drama going http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/ (http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/)
How come people that don't even like each other are agreeing you are a bad admin?
Quote from: Kaoklai on June 28, 2014, 08:28:47 am
Good job moving the goalposts, San.  You're shaping up to be an excellent shitmin.  People didn't post in the original thread because it was a total non-issue posted by a shitty "troll" (being generous here).  And when the admin team demonstrated their extreme incompetence by permabanning Allers, plenty of people posted in the unban thread until it was locked by...Ganner. 

Instead of hemming and hawing like the bitchmade fåggot your post makes you out to be, why don't you just answer a question straight up: do you think Allers should have been permanently banned for this? 
Don't think I have ever agreed with this person on anything until now.
Yet I keep seeing posts that say they don't like allers but they dislike ganner even more to post they don't think you are a good admin and this ban proves you do hold grudges and just come out of the woodworks to ban those you want. Before this nobody seen you do much of anything besides go into the servers to recruit for your own strat battles using pink chat.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on June 28, 2014, 11:24:24 am
Just read Aller's unban post, unceremonously locked by Ganner after saying "If I ever discover you playing this mod I have contributed nothing to for several years, if anything only making it worse, I will instantly permaban you with Extreme Admin Executive Authority." Just nerdy powertripping shit that has nothing to do with dev policy or the implied intent of the admin team, which is to stop intentional griefing and teamkilling on servers and be unliked, unwanted, and very unappreciated ban request forum jockeys that placate with temp bans and thread closes while everyone laughs at the autistic chatlogs and blatant manipulation of "evidence."

Ganner, your "job" isn't to hurl Permabans like a limp dicked Zeus on Mount Ospergpus at kids playing a videogame, that you don't play, in a way you don't like. Some fat fake fucking campus cop shit up in here writing tickets for students being a few minutes late to class. Just making some asshole waste money to play a niche mod with new CD keys and losing time investment of XP gold w/e, on top of a threat to immediately ban all further accounts, which directly contradicts anything I learned from talking to cmp in the dev channel of IRC, which I regularly did as admin on anything involving player account security or "permaban" removal from the community, cuz you know they make the fucking game and probably appreciate the players more than anyone else since its their hobby and soon business.

Considering the NA admin hierarchy, the only people who could, would, but probably won't, intervene in any way is Tydeus or Canary, but at least Tydeus only suffers from mild "computer programmer" autism on the spectrum and could have a thought for himself, informed by others and reality. Canary is an insular introverted psycopathic "Kesh-Titan level Autist" dinging criticals on the Autism reader who will probably refuse to contradict anyone in his own clan over an admin thing, because then he might have one less fake friend out of half a dozen nerds in a Teamspeak channel to give him just enough excuse to not kill himself.

Also admin nazel gazing empty bleating posting here going "yeah well you know Allers he's a troll, if not for this prob deserves it for something else made some posts, no one seemed to disagree, not looking good lol" are a bunch of miscreant shitheads who mistake misappropriated empty videogame authority for righteousness or responsiblity. Way to handle a small, shrinking community and future (probably not lol) install base/viral marketing volunteers for Melee: Gaming.

Fuck if I had my way I would just give Allers level 50 and all +3 plate then film him in youtube montages as "Kan U Kompare to these KillS?" promotion for how great Warband/cRPG/Melee gaming can be, cuz he's a beast, a consistently amazing player, probably one of the best Warband players in North America, but its just a videogame and he's a teenager who fucks around in game or curses off admins (his last essay ban was because he told Canary he hopes Canary's family dies, so Canary permabanned him for over 3-4 months, over a summer, just to "Teach him a Lesson"). I had to bug Canary personally, repeatedly, while chatting with Allers who just wanted to play a game he likes after his 4 month ban by a 30 year old wield al spergovich.

But nope I'm a fat faced fuck shit admin that no one remembered exists showing up to permaban your account cuz you wanted to make gold by running out and fighting in low gear until you died, something that people do every day on every server, because of how this shit game is designed, over a vaguely worded rule that no one cares about.

Ganner, you are an asshole. I, and assuredly the vast majority of the NA Warband community, request that you humbly resign your position in disgrace and shame, to stop posting here between your hypoglycemic dizzy spells and delete cRPG.exe, but also remember to uncheck the "ban" box on your browser before you tab into another japanese schoolgirl hentai on your overnight shift at the cupcake factory.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 28, 2014, 02:25:10 pm
Four years is a short time span, a fraction of a single person's life - barely a second in the life of a whole people. And yet the past four years somehow seem longer than many decades of all of our past. A very important event is contained within them: the birth of a gaming mod that is now threatened by extinction. It is an incredibly eventful time, and seems barely comprehensive sometimes to us, who have not just had the opportunity to witness but also to actually create a small part of it.

Democratically elected admins are a big topic of discussion right now, maybe not for EU scrub players but We in America know the wisdom of democratic ideals; if the rest of the world doesn't know these ideals, we can only answer that the American people have the chance to live within the purest form of this ideal, and we ourselves are reaping the benefits of freedom and democracy in real life.

And yet to speak today of the NA cRPG community having democracy, is nothing but an illusion. There are many reasons for this so I will begin with the developer situation first. North America, in spite of it's large playerbase is perhaps the most ignored community in the mod. Ignored by developers who are orientated entirely in the interests of a comparatively small and thin upper stratum of players and the European clique of autists with which it is allied. The interests of the NA masses are of no weight in determining the orientation of these developers.

One developer speaks about this being a free mod, one speaks about doing it in their spare time, one speaks about the achievements of their current developers, but of course in reality this is meaningless drivel, the only things the current developers do is contribute to the stabilization of the dictator regime of the elite of society, whom, thanks to their positions, are able to get hold of the forums, to organize and direct the topics how they will, and to create public opinion from that. Thus, in a mod with a declining community, one which many people admit is worse than it has ever been, in a community with altogether hardly one good poster per hundred, in a mod so blessed by being built on a good base game, dozens are being banned for no reason, and if they rereg, live in greater fear of being banned than the real rulebreakers do. The mod which is a paradise for a few, is nothing but continuous misery for many, that is, for the masses. Misery in posting, misery in playing, misery in practicing; misery even in pwning, and of course, misery directed at the entire administrative and developer team.

This is not the game that God created for us. He did not produce developers to devour the hope of cRPG players. He did not create admins to harness and harass us, like vile autists, whom show extraordinary amounts of, pride, perfidy, avarice, debauchery, and falsehood. He created cRPG to proclaim "this is a pro game". He created us players with a power to help each other, to love each other mutually, and to attain to happiness by the way of virtue.

In the name of democracy, let us use that power. Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new game, a decent game that will give men a chance to play, that will give youth a future with security of not being permabanned.  Let us fight to free the world! To do away with intercontinental barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a game of reason, a world where good balance and non-shit game mechanics will lead to all men's happiness. Players, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 28, 2014, 02:36:37 pm
SMOOTHRICH FOR HEAD ADMIN 2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GiuseppeBlackRose on June 28, 2014, 03:05:42 pm
I Am a gentleman who does not like to interfere in the life of the commmunity of crpg. chadz and His moderation team genereally do a good job EIGHTY!!! percent of the time.

This MY friends is the 20%

What has happened to Allers is not Just an attack on him, But a attack on the whole ccommunity as a together. IF this ban stays in place then we have All lost something.
What is that something?

Humanity In Crpg

Deep Down we are all humans and just wanting to have a good time. But some People of this community arent true Crpg Players.

Firstly, I Am a gamer. I Game. THat is what I CHOOSE to do with my time and that is what YOU Choose to do. WE GAME.
What we DONT do is RUIN otherp eoples video game time. Thats Wrong and I think deep down even in ' Ganner ' s heart, HE knows that it is not right
As a successful Two time clan leader, I have seen manmy injustices but this honestly Is up there in the top three "Worst Mod Decisions" by the CRPG Mod Team.

When we all first installed MOUNT AND BLADE WARBAND CRPG, What did we all firts think when we were watching the DLing Bar go to One Hundred??

I Like to game and i Am going to have fun with this game

And WE DID,. Sure things changed and How we got the funn changed but in the end THat IS all Any of us want.

SOME people in this community (GANer, Canary, ETC) want to restrict our fun. To Stop us gamers having fun. IT is our duty asd a community to make sure that these 'People' Do not get their wish:

to see our fun not be happening.  :|

These 'mods' Care more about their so called 'Position' in the community than actually being real thinking human beings. Do not bother speaking to them. Why?
Because theyDONT CARE ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!! Only their own greedy want
Lets stop this bullSHIT and get this so called "Mods" Removed. If this shit continues: I will be contacting Chad personally.


'Smoothrich' For head admin

 2014




Game On



Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Dan lol on June 28, 2014, 03:22:48 pm
these wall of text guys are pretty fucking lame but that sounds like a silly reason for a permaban, even for allers who will just get a new cd key anyway
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Dexxtaa on June 28, 2014, 04:22:46 pm
Quote from: Dan lol on June 28, 2014, 03:22:48 pm
these wall of text guys are pretty fucking lame but that sounds like a silly reason for a permaban, even for allers who will just get a new cd key anyway

All I can ever see from your posts is your stupid fucking avatar and quote, Dan.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 28, 2014, 05:02:16 pm
Ty brtohers 4 ur support against the admin scum, u r truely inspiring posters.

I have added a poll 2 judge the communitys opinion, pls get ur friends to vote on it
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: KaleLord on June 28, 2014, 05:14:02 pm
Quote from: Ganner on June 28, 2014, 10:11:46 am
This all seems familiar.

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762 (http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762)
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/)

Oh yea, those are 2 perma bans already. Not counting the rest in the past. 14 bans not counting global bans, across 3 accounts that I know of and we know he has more.  He knowingly skirted around the rules and has been abusive to multiple people including admins. You are all acting like allers wont still be on the server, when hes got more accounts and mount and blade is on sale on steam. Hes probably been playing since he found out he got banned. He has told me in the past it doesn't matter how many accounts we perma ban he will just keep on playing. So he gets to keep playing without his looms (which probably wont even be a punishment if he had them in his armory).

Im sure this will be locked or moved to the chamber of tears soon so heres a link to my feedback thread to keep the drama going http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/ (http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/)

1st ban thread is allers second is ricky ( a different player)
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on June 28, 2014, 05:16:28 pm
So what you're saying is that allers should have run in with a weapon that he couldn't have blocked with, then he wouldn't have been penalized for not blocking?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on June 28, 2014, 05:56:28 pm
Quote from: Ganner on June 28, 2014, 10:11:46 am
This all seems familiar.

http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762 (http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/unban-request-chivalry_allers/msg531762/#msg531762)
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/a-fue-named-ricky-%28apology-letter%29/)

Oh yea, those are 2 perma bans already. Not counting the rest in the past. 14 bans not counting global bans, across 3 accounts that I know of and we know he has more.  He knowingly skirted around the rules and has been abusive to multiple people including admins. You are all acting like allers wont still be on the server, when hes got more accounts and mount and blade is on sale on steam. Hes probably been playing since he found out he got banned. He has told me in the past it doesn't matter how many accounts we perma ban he will just keep on playing. So he gets to keep playing without his looms (which probably wont even be a punishment if he had them in his armory).

Im sure this will be locked or moved to the chamber of tears soon so heres a link to my feedback thread to keep the drama going http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/ (http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/%28na%29-ganner/)

"Knowingly skirted the rules"

Since when the fuck is there a rule for not trying goddammit? I'd get it if allers went and teamkillec  a person or 10 but all he did was NOT TRY. The motherfucker wasn't sitting leaching in the back, the motherfucker wasn't auto running and dying immediately, fuck his ban history. I don't care if allers has called you a dickless princess and written a homoerotic story about him ramming your ass with his long maul, THE MOTHERFUCKER DIDNT BREAK THE GODDAMN RULES.

And then there's the fact that the ban thread poster is arguably using the banforum to be a troll and get someone perma ban for something that is so ridiculous that myself, Daruvian, kaoklai, SMOOTHRICH, dan, fucking goretooth, Sanderson, havelle, plumbo, MURDER, Mae and  drtaco all agree on something for once.

Christ.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Working_Class on June 28, 2014, 06:27:55 pm
SMOOTHRICH 4 ADMIN 2014
CRUCIFY GANNER 2014
#FREESPOOK
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on June 28, 2014, 07:10:43 pm
I believe that there are three major problems with the admin team that lead to events happening like this.

1. The bulk of the admins are on mid-day leaving only an occasional admin on in the later hours. These are the times that most of the players are online and active leading to most of the admins not having a first had accounts of what is actually happening and subsequently not allowing the proper calls to be made in ban/unban threads.

2. The admin team is comprised of people whom are from the same niche. By this I mean they are the quiet people, the ones whom do not talk in servers much nor wander to different groups or clans teamspeaks to have a chat or talk. They do not understand what some people call "fun" and some people call "harassment" except by what they put it from their own standards. Problems like allers being banned are happening from just that. Ganner/the admin team did not look at it from the other points of views. Most of the people that would have disagreed with the ban request didn't do so because they either don't go on the forums that much or deemed it too dumb to even waste their time on. Then when he ended up getting banned I was told about it, looked it up, and saw that allers indeed did get banned for what I would call "not trying hard enough".

3. The current admins rarely have the "laid back" play style that some people have fun with. I know san did the donkey punch thing a while back. He is also a goodmin(Edit: also witchcraft, artyem and desire). It's the admins that do not kick back once in a while that make the seemingly blinded calls that upset the community.

Sugjestions:

1. Unban allers, seriously.

2. Get a more diverse niche of players as admins. Examples: dynamike or mae, jona, mango.

3.  How long has it been since allers' last ban? People can change and allers had not had anything that he did wrong for the longest time, except, as you say, abusing people and admins in chat. To that I say what most people, including some admins, say to people in game having a hard time. There is a mute button.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 28, 2014, 07:13:56 pm
replacing ganner with jona sounds good
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on June 28, 2014, 07:16:05 pm
Delete the ban request forum and get more active admins.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Allers on June 28, 2014, 07:22:25 pm
Quote from: Ganner on June 28, 2014, 10:11:46 am
You are all acting like allers wont still be on the server, when hes got more accounts and mount and blade is on sale on steam. Hes probably been playing since he found out he got banned. He has told me in the past it doesn't matter how many accounts we perma ban he will just keep on playing. 
Ive been playing since I got banned? Youre an admin go check to see if ive been playing on a  different CD key? I havent because I was NOT breaking any rule and Im waiting on an unban because I was banned for NO ReASON

Quote from: Allers on June 28, 2014, 06:24:36 am
Basically the admins take whatever is beneficial and convenient to them and use it and throw out the rest. Writing posts when youre mad makes you write things you dont mean, you know
also to clarify, i blocked some times and tried my best the others, i STILL wasnt leaching nor was I meaning to, but of course the admins wont take my word on that because they all want me banned even though ive caused no trouble ever since my unban
So why don't you guys take my word that I WAS NOT LEACHING? No of course you wont because what I said earlier is more convenient to you guys to get me banned, even though what I said did not define LEACHING. I was running in with a weapon and attacking people still but not blocking sometimes because I couldnt care if I died. Some rounds I went in and tried my best other times I didnt. Nevertheless, I was STILL FIGHTING and NOT leaching
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miracle on June 28, 2014, 07:31:21 pm
Quote from: a_bear_irl on July 04, 2012, 05:27:39 am
also free allers, permaban digglez ganner imo
is there anyone (NH chaos members excluded) that would have an issue with that? basically allers is big pun and digglez ganner is fat joe, nobody would say no to that trade
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Admiral Ballsack on June 28, 2014, 07:51:14 pm
I'm gay
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Havoco on June 28, 2014, 07:58:41 pm
 Gef me admin
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: StonedSteel on June 28, 2014, 08:00:27 pm
Quote from: MURDERTRON on June 28, 2014, 05:16:28 pm
So what you're saying is that allers should have run in with a weapon that he couldn't have blocked with, then he wouldn't have been penalized for not blocking?

ROFL Hahaha...oh shit, we all gotta warn "Life_Assassin", the scrub wears only peasant armor and runs around the map with nothing but a dagger, surly Ganners will ban him also.

I mean Life will go 10-0 with that setup, but by Ganners logic, hes clearly leeching \ not helping his team?

This ban is one of thee most laughable dumb mistakes you admins have made.

chadz, get a hold of your fucking mod, the people you intrusted it to, are killing it. Not a good look for M:BG, the only reference people will have for it is CRPG, and the things happening in CRPG, are ridiculous.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Mae. on June 28, 2014, 08:39:56 pm
that awkward moment you 'like' a post from goretooth, kaoklai, smoothrich, and daruvian all in the same thread.. holy fuck

 :shock:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Novamere on June 28, 2014, 08:47:03 pm
Quote from: StonedSteel on June 28, 2014, 08:00:27 pm
chadz, get a hold of your fucking mod, the people you intrusted it to, are killing it. Not a good look for M:BG, the only reference people will have for it is CRPG, and the things happening in CRPG, are ridiculous.

God that is so true
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 28, 2014, 08:48:11 pm
Dunno if ganner wears sandals but this pretty spot on
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Bronto on June 28, 2014, 09:22:40 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on June 27, 2014, 10:38:38 am
Unfortunately it is not just Canary and Ganner.  Most of the admins agreed on it.  I know you guys are trying to pin it on one person or one clan.  Instead blame all the of the admin team.

Reading is hard. So many tears in this thread.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Horns_Archive on June 28, 2014, 09:29:29 pm
God this nerd rage is giving me such a hard on, I haven't seen this many complaints about admins since goretooth and poophammer were both admins hnnggg.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: AntiBlitz on June 28, 2014, 10:10:53 pm
good, one less fuck in the community, now lets see who else we can get rid of, we have a few other bottom feeders in our cesspit.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 28, 2014, 10:17:47 pm
Quote from: Mae. on June 28, 2014, 08:39:56 pm
that awkward moment you 'like' a post from goretooth, kaoklai, smoothrich, and daruvian all in the same thread.. holy fuck

 :shock:

feel good thread of the year
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 28, 2014, 10:43:47 pm
observe the following video:


smoothrich= based god

most of the current admin team= bitches getting mad because he looks like jesus christ
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Admiral Ballsack on June 28, 2014, 10:44:13 pm
No leeching
OK: Being a bad player and getting no kills

NOT OK: Running around without no weapon.

I don't understand how you can justify not blocking = leeching. No where in the rules does it say not blocking is leeching, if he is actively trying to swing at the enemy I don't see any issues. Have you watched King James of acre fight, give him a stick and lower tier armor and he'll play just like allers did. I even asked him once why he doesn't try he said "I don't care enough". The point is JAMES knows how to BLOCK (Maybe not well but he can do better than he does on battle) so why isn't he banned for leaching? Have you seen Miley ride around with a stick on horseback going directly to the enemy spawn? I have, why isn't she banned that is LEACHING. Oh, right nobody made a ban thread on him yet. I could go on and on about players like this, but the fact of the matter is they all do what Aller's did a few times, all the time.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Dionysus on June 28, 2014, 10:56:17 pm
Quote from: StonedSteel on June 28, 2014, 08:00:27 pm
chadz, get a hold of your fucking mod, the people you intrusted it to, are killing it. Not a good look for M:BG, the only reference people will have for it is CRPG, and the things happening in CRPG, are ridiculous.

This is exactly why I have not invested in their new game. I think they are capable of really great things, but I always ask myself, would I want to pay for a game that will be managed like cRPG has been?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Gmnotutoo on June 29, 2014, 02:38:24 am
Admin Team, honestly please do not give out global bans unless someone is caught auto-blocking or committing extreme acts of grief. Suicide yolo charges are pretty harmless overall and Allers is a skilled enough player to be able to be effective doing that.

Tactically its a great strategy. One harmless peasant charges directly into a mob of people who are all going to be overcome by kdr blood-lust which begins the festival of team-wounding. Since it is Allers he might even be able to take someone out too in the process.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Horns_Archive on June 29, 2014, 02:55:20 am
The admin team right now
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: bilwit on June 29, 2014, 03:39:49 am
#freespook2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on June 29, 2014, 03:42:52 am
I love how an idiot power-hungry admin like Ganner who doesn't even play this game bans one of the oldest players on this POPULATION STRUGGLING MOD on minimal evidence, and how he still holds his admin powers and plays probably 1 hour every few months.

I also love how a lot of you take admins words 100% as if they're always right.

Let's take a step back. Why are admins here? To make sure the population of the game is not unhappy due to players breaking rules. I mean who was so offended by what Allers did that they don't want Allers back ever again. except the idiot who posted the thread?

And isn't the point of the ban/kick to make people learn not to do the same rule-breaking again? I'm 100% sure if Allers was unbanned this situation would not happen again. Lesson learned, what is the point of the ban honestly?

"OH, HAS BEEN BANNED MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE!!" And what?

Quote
if somebody goes to jail ten times and gets convicted an eleventh because they refuse to give him a fair chance in a trial, does that mean that he deserves his sentence for an eleventh?


"Ganner: Fine.  Post, as of this moment my job is over, if tried to make everyone happy, neither peson is happy, ive tried to keep this out of the forum so the drama would stop"

Didn't work this time either idiot
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 29, 2014, 04:54:12 am
Quote from: Miley on June 29, 2014, 03:42:52 am
And isn't the point of the ban/kick to make people learn not to do the same rule-breaking again? I'm 100% sure if Allers was unbanned this situation would not happen again. Lesson learned, what is the point of the ban honestly?

"OH, HAS BEEN BANNED MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE!!" And what?

No you see, this time it will be different because
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GiuseppeBlackRose on June 29, 2014, 05:41:01 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on June 29, 2014, 04:54:12 am
No you see, this time it will be different because
Because it shouldnt have happened in the first place
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 05:42:43 am
Just unban him so the trolls can go back under their bridge admins.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DrTaco on June 29, 2014, 05:49:10 am
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 05:42:43 am
Just unban him so the trolls can go back under their bridge admins.

notice me senpai.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jona on June 29, 2014, 07:19:13 am
Shit... you know something is up when I'm in agreement with Daruvian and Kaoklai. Permabans are complete shit and should not exist in this mod at all. I understand that they are pretty much in place only to make the admin's job easier, which I respect, but still... fucking bad idea. We are lucky to get what, 70 players each night during primetime? Lol... 70 people... in the entire North American continent, and surrounding areas (read: the world) play this game on NA_1 each night. That's like 0.000000001% of the population. And you want to kick out one of us, forever? Well now you just removed 1.4% our population. Any friends he might have had may lose interest over time, and well, there goes a few more. I know I would up and leave if certain people left this mod forever, I can't be the only one. Soon enough we will have lost 10% of our already-too-small playerbase. Should he have been punished for not being such a tryhard as we are all apparently expected to be? In my opinion, hell no, but I realize you may see fit to punish him... so give him a ban. Maybe you recall he has a ban history, okay, up the duration a little... but hell, anything over a week for being a non-tryhard is absolutely disgusting. So glad I barely play this anymore.


Quote from: Dionysus on June 28, 2014, 10:56:17 pm
This is exactly why I have not invested in their new game. I think they are capable of really great things, but I always ask myself, would I want to pay for a game that will be managed like cRPG has been?

^ My thoughts exactly. The Donkey crew will forever be judged by the standards they set with crpg. First impressions are everything, and unfortunately the crpg players, the only people who even know M:BG is being made (let's face it, no one but us watches any of the youtube videos or follows chadz on twitter), have a pretty bad first impression on their management structure. Sure, they have moved on to bigger and better things, we all understand the situation well, but they simply left this mod to rot in the hands of some careless individuals, which reflects poorly on them in the end.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on June 29, 2014, 07:40:00 am
I'm going to try and put pictures to my feelings, so that we don't have to read anymore.

(click to show/hide)

(click to show/hide)

let us bring back members to the community

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Lord_Derpington on June 29, 2014, 07:55:03 am
If you are going to ban allers why don't you ban james of acre? He runs in all the time and does not block.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 08:16:40 am
honestly derp you're understating it, we need to permaban somewhere between 85 and 95% of acre if you include their 60% playerbase of shielders that straight up shit their pants and have an aneurysm when their shields break

(all due respect, acre)
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on June 29, 2014, 08:25:12 am
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 29, 2014, 08:16:40 am
honestly derp you're understating it, we need to permaban somewhere between 85 and 95% of acre if you include their 60% playerbase of shielders that straight up shit their pants and have an aneurysm when their shields break

(all due respect, acre)

das rood mane
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sir_Wonka on June 29, 2014, 08:27:27 am
If we are going to toss around bans on shit for evidence, let's ban Eyebeat for auto blocking with that Frisbee he calls a shield
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on June 29, 2014, 09:22:05 am
Quote from: Miley on June 29, 2014, 03:42:52 am
I mean who was so offended by what Allers did that they don't want Allers back ever again. except the idiot who posted the thread?

mirey pls no bully
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on June 29, 2014, 09:25:21 am
Quote from: Lord_Derpington on June 29, 2014, 07:55:03 am
If you are going to ban allers why don't you ban james of acre? He runs in all the time and does not block.

This is honestly my preferred playstyle in many Strategus battles because you get so many kills and cause tons of chaos, and time spent blocking isn't time spent swinging. Then get to respawn and do it again, because there is no value to a meaningless internet respawn ticket life. Unless you are currently an NA cRPG admin, who all apparently are in unanimous agreement over the permaban with no objections. Then there is no life more valuable to them than that precious precious ticket, probably because they don't have a life of their own.

So you better hold on to that ticket with all you got. Cuz even for a single round you think "oh who cares if I die early? I'm going to fuck some enemies up first! Videogames are awesome!" the fat man Gan will ban you. And every other cd key you ever buy for the rest of his expectedly short life. Why? I don't know. Probably because he is, if going by voice alone, the second or third fattest player in cRPG history, a close runner up to Kesh and Kesh's "girlfriend." The decision making aptitude behind this and any other of Ganner's admin decisions is the same level of mental clarity and virtue that leads to any man thinking its a good idea to shove so much food in his mouth on a daily basis that he turns into an amorphous, androgynous blob of grease and oils, spilling over his magic cards and My Little Pony dvd collection with each keyboard stroke in the NA Admin Forums going "heh.. i made all the tweens and noobs and trolls so mad after permabanning Dracul superstar/junior prom king Allers.. that'll teach them for calling me Fat Man Gan all through junior high!" which immediately receives rapturous unanimous praise from every active NA cRPG Admin as the ban is finalized, and now the community is much better off. One less worthless Highest Elo Bracket leecher trying to make gold in MY "Turn a good game into some washed up derelict Christian-gaming server that anyone who talks in chat without saying SIR YES SIR to the admins is immediately banned" styled circlejerk Simulator.

At this point, the official servers are run worse than ATS servers ever were. Its not even close. At least ATS people were blatant abusing trolls who congratulated each other over their reign of terror. The really sad thing is that all of these "Official NA Admins" think anyone complaining in this thread is just trolling and cannot even comprehend how or why the crap they did and are defending it with sounds like outright insane autism to any regular player of any videogame. Like, it actually sucks that you can get permanently banned from this unique and still sometimes fun game that all of us have been playing for years, because some insane cabal of inactive autists have consolidated all admin power, a coup that was complete once Canary manipulated stupid internet events to get Shik (a normal person) kicked out of the cRPG dev club and take his position as Head Admin. Seriously, when I was admin almost all I did was argue with other admins who wanted to permaban dozens of people they didn't like, for no reason, because "they will just cause trouble again, and called me a my old friend once."  The circle jerking over having to teach people lessons for disrespecting "the rules" (aka the admins ego) was insane and pathetic.

And now that all admins that were actually pretty chill and reasonable and just wanted teamkilling or racist chat spam off the servers were removed or quit one by one, the videogame world that these limited-functioning aspergers drones want to imagine themselves living in will come to life. And trust me. Not one of you want to live in that world. Or even play a videogame for 10 minutes a day in it. Because if you do, you will be permabanned. If you complain, you too will be permabanned. And those of you who kept silent? Well good job, you'll just be the last ones to be permabanned for playing in the wrong way. Then their medieval roleplaying fantasy cyber fucking sex server domain or whatever the fuck they think we should be doing will be complete.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on June 29, 2014, 10:36:39 am
Quote from: Kaoklai on June 28, 2014, 08:28:47 am
Good job moving the goalposts, San.  You're shaping up to be an excellent shitmin.  People didn't post in the original thread because it was a total non-issue posted by a shitty "troll" (being generous here).  And when the admin team demonstrated their extreme incompetence by permabanning Allers, plenty of people posted in the unban thread until it was locked by...Ganner. 

Instead of hemming and hawing like the bitchmade fåggot your post makes you out to be, why don't you just answer a question straight up: do you think Allers should have been permanently banned for this? 

I don't like permabans personally, so no. I prefer ban times separated by type with variability based on how many/what kind of bans they had in recent months. I pretty much posted what happened, and Allers' post was quoted multiple times with mentions of previous warnings. The ban thread didn't have much damning evidence imo until Allers incriminated himself, validating what the OP suggested. My post in the admin thread is similar to the sentiments displayed previously:

Quote from: San on June 16, 2014, 09:21:50 pm
And here I was just going to give him a normal ban but too lazy to do it at that moment. Do what you must.

Edit: Personally, I think the camel has a few more straws before the back is broken, but I'm not really aware of everything he has done in the past.

That was in regards to the thread not being handled yet and a response to other admins. Edit was made 13 mins later. Suicide leeching is a touchy subject in general that I didn't want to deal with, but since nothing was being done and did feel a line was crossed at some point, would've just ended it with a normal timed ban. Was thinking about what to do until those posts came and acquiesced since I didn't really know much about the previous bans and how much trouble they caused.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on June 29, 2014, 10:50:41 am
If you ban Allers for running it, not bothering to block then spectate a Druzhina Strategus battle once please.

My theory is that Putin does not allow mice with two buttons because they are too capitalistic or something so all Druzhina players can do is spam left mouse button (In their case the only button they have)

Nah in all seriousness, they have some very skilled players, but if you really wanna perm ban someone for doing that then you have to ban maaany more players form almost every clan.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on June 29, 2014, 12:29:37 pm
San you seem reasonable enough.  His previous long term ban was from insulting Canary on steam.  So Canary banned him for five months while refusing to reply to any admin or Allers about it because he's too withdrawn of a person to handle any conflict.  Every admin on the board wanted Allers permabanned because he doesn't take the game seriously enough for their bizarre irrational sperg code and has probably called them shit players and admins in the past.

Any weird theory crafting of stretching rules to justify a permaban is people literally being insane with self justification neuroses with no one reasonable stepping up.  You saw it as all wrong and rushed and that you weren't knowledgeable enough to contribute because it was wrong and extremely biased petty abuse by admins in an out of touch self reinforcing circle jerk that has systemically wiped out reason or dissent over the years.

You aren't lacking information you are lacking years of becoming mad and corrupt with Internet power that leaves small mod servers like ours abandoned wastelands but for a few disturbed admins and players who think the 'community' is theirs alone. Their precious.

Quote from: Switchtense on June 29, 2014, 10:50:41 am
If you ban Allers for running it, not bothering to block then spectate a Druzhina Strategus battle once please.

The "rule" was a cherry picked excuse and opportunity Ganner saw, and immediately grabbed, to make someone on the internet's life a little worse in order to make him feel a little better about himself. Nothing else.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on June 29, 2014, 04:55:30 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on June 29, 2014, 09:22:05 am
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: mrrdhardy on June 29, 2014, 05:21:06 pm
CRPG old rules was as long as you have a weapon in your hands it is not leeching and there for you can not be banned for it so this is admin abuse to the max but since chadz has left to make melee battlegrounds admins seem to be getting worse. also this is a message for chadz or anyone who is apart of the Melee Battleground dev team, how do you expect us to support your new game and maybe even buy it if your admins cant keep a mod running right. if you want to make a game of your own stand alone game you need more rules for you admins to follow and make them follow it. my ramble is over  :wink:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Swaggart on June 29, 2014, 06:19:27 pm
Man, I wonder how many new players will get banned because they just don't know any better than to run in and swing away, not even realizing that blocking is apparently mandatory.

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Kaoklai on June 29, 2014, 06:42:03 pm
Quote from: San on June 29, 2014, 10:36:39 am
I don't like permabans personally, so no.

So at least one Admin, and I'd guess a few more, actually think Allers shouldn't have been permanently banned.  So does it just come down to luck of the draw?  I mean if someone besides Ganner saw the banthread first and decided to act upon it right then and issue a 5 day ban or whatever, this wouldn't even be an issue.  It's ridiculous and that there can be such a huge discrepancy between admin opinions and the determining factor be chance. 

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Novamere on June 29, 2014, 06:43:02 pm
Honestly someone should get CMP or chadz to actually read this thread if anyone can do that and then see what comes of it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on June 29, 2014, 07:15:29 pm
Whatever your bait is, I trust the decisions of the multiple people who understood the situation better than me. An admin that has to ban someone many times over 3 years would have a different opinion than dealing with someone for the first time. If the guy had so many second chances, it's understandable that a person who was banned so many times let alone permabanned like 3 times knows that he's pretty much on thin ice. I was clear with my own stance.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 29, 2014, 07:25:45 pm
Quote from: Kaoklai on June 29, 2014, 06:42:03 pm
So at least one Admin, and I'd guess a few more, actually think Allers shouldn't have been permanently banned.  So does it just come down to luck of the draw?

It came down to the majority of admins agreeing that the ban was justified. Bans aren't a first come first served ticket to Powertrip Abuseland Fun Park. The ban thread for Allers remained open for a while as the situation was discussed.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 07:30:26 pm
Quote from: San on June 29, 2014, 07:15:29 pm
Whatever your bait is, I trust the decisions of the multiple people who misunderstood the situation better than me.

ftfy

Besides, since when the fuck did cRPG have an x-strikes and you're out legal system? Which doesn't fucking work and is moronic IRL. Only our shitty commercialized legal/prison system in America really has touted that idiocy.

The only way of looking at this scenario logically is to boil it down to its simplest most concise thoughts. All this conflation is just confounding, irrelevant misinformation.

Does Allers deserve to have his account permanently banned for this specific action in question? Were his actions even illegal? Would I be banned if I did that? Would Tydeus, San, Canary, or any generally well-regarded player be banned for this (not to imply each of those three players is well regarded)? Finally, even if we assume this action really is a minor offense how the fuck do you pathetically stretch it this far as a justification to PERMANENTLY BAN someone?

It's utter fucking nonsense, San.

edit: the typos were out of control
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 29, 2014, 07:43:34 pm
Whenever someone brings up things like "track record" it is 100% of the time just an excuse to abuse your powers on someone who didn't break any rules at this point but has done before.

The admins in cRPG are actually atrocious and hugely biased, which I know from personal experience of at one point being friends with 80%+ of the NA admins. When I was, I was literally never banned by an admin, even when committing offences in front of them which we would just laugh about instead of me being banned. The only admin who ever banned me was Smoothrich, because he is just and unbiased. Purge all admins that are currently in NA cRPG and promote Smoothrich to Head Admin, and give him the pick of who to appoint as his fellow admins.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on June 29, 2014, 07:44:59 pm
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on June 29, 2014, 07:25:45 pm
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 29, 2014, 07:45:53 pm
http://forum.melee.org/closed-requests/(ban)-smoothrich/

What other Admin would be so unostentatious as to admit his own mistakes? and proceed to punish himself for those?

Everybody makes mistakes, but what truly separates good men from others is the ability to own up to your mistakes, and live with the consequences.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Kaoklai on June 29, 2014, 07:54:05 pm
So San positively thinks one thing, but when someone does something that directly contradicts his view, he just lie down and accepts it because reasons.  #bitchmade #spineless

Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on June 29, 2014, 07:25:45 pm
It came down to the majority of admins agreeing that the ban was justified. Bans aren't a first come first served ticket to Powertrip Abuseland Fun Park. The ban thread for Allers remained open for a while as the situation was discussed.

So every ban gets a "debate?"  An admin couldn't see the thread and just issued a 5 day ban right then and nipped it in the bud?  Also lol @ the idea of a debate between the like 5 active admins who were all appointed by the same person meaning anything.  Especially when the chief prosecutor is a fat piece of shit star wars nerd who's had a hardon to ban Allers forever. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on June 29, 2014, 08:14:42 pm
There is no current consensus on the X-strikes and you're out policy.  I've seen new admins get very heavy handed about 3rd time bans, for players who have played for 3 years, threatening essay bans next.  I've also seen admins who are part of this conglomerate of clans super pact, who have gone very lenient on people on their 7th bans and give them 12 or 24 hour bans.  In all honesty its complete bullshit, and the "use common sense" rule needs to go.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on June 29, 2014, 08:31:07 pm
Quote from: MURDERTRON on June 29, 2014, 08:14:42 pm
There is no current consensus on the X-strikes and you're out policy.  I've seen new admins get very heavy handed about 3rd time bans, for players who have played for 3 years, threatening essay bans next.  I've also seen admins who are part of this conglomerate of clans super pact, who have gone very lenient on people on their 7th bans and give them 12 or 24 hour bans.  In all honesty its complete bullshit, and the "use common sense" rule needs to go.

No. The admins need to go. All of them. Replaced with a new system, one free from the failures of the whimsy of spergs.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 08:39:13 pm
Nothing but stupid, mouth breathing, troglodyte, nasal nerds in this game pretty much.

Cunt deserved to get banned. There's a fine line between having fun and fucking around, as apposed to being a stupid dork troll, that day in and day out is just a little annoying wierdo. It's not about admins being biased or abusing power (which I'm not saying there isn't some of those out there), but it's also about people just acting like an ass in this game 24/7. People just push it too far by breaking/bending rules and trying to find some stupid loophole and think it's ok to do it. If for maybe one day you would just stop acting like a fucking 15 year old 4chan member, maybe admins wouldn't have to put up with so much shit and be forced to do things like this.


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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 29, 2014, 08:50:13 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on June 29, 2014, 08:31:07 pm
No. The admins need to go. All of them. Replaced with a new system, one free from the failures of the whimsy of spergs.

Poll Ban: The Reckoning. Coming to theaters summer 2014.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: bilwit on June 29, 2014, 09:12:43 pm
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 08:39:13 pm
Nothing but stupid, mouth breathing, troglodyte, nasal nerds in this game pretty much.

Cunt deserved to get banned. There's a fine line between having fun and fucking around, as apposed to being a stupid dork troll, that day in and day out is just a little annoying wierdo...

You mean the ones who get butthurt about this kind of stuff and take this game way too seriously? Might wanna take a good long look in the mirror, buddy. Banning a long time member for essentially "well he's also been annoying for a while" is bullshit and this isn't the first time this has happened to someone here.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 09:24:19 pm
Quote from: bilwit on June 29, 2014, 09:12:43 pm
You mean the ones who get butthurt about this kind of stuff and take this game way too seriously? Might wanna take a good long look in the mirror, buddy. Banning a long time member for essentially "well he's also been annoying for a while" is bullshit and this isn't the first time this has happened to someone here.

If you think I take this game seriously, or any game at that, then you can just stop now lol. This long time member you are talking about has been banned multiple times, and nothing has changed. Walking into a fight and not doing a thing (suicide leeching) is not just "annoying" but is breaking the rules. It's leeching. That's the real bullshit, when you try and make an excuse that it's not leeching. Leeching doesn't mean you are just standing still afk at spawn. If you have done nothing in the round, or don't contribute to anything, or running in and dying on purpose, that is leeching. It's different if you are doing some stupid or ridiculous build for fun and can't get many kills, for example a lot of riding and shield skill with no power strike or anything, running around on a plated charger just dieseling people over, that is funny. Even if you don't get a lot of points or kills. At least you are doing something, whether it's carrying the team or just that charger bullshit, it's doing something. Running in and dying is pointless.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 29, 2014, 09:28:24 pm
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 09:24:19 pm
If you think I take this game seriously, or any game at that, then you can just stop now lol. This long time member you are talking about has been banned multiple times, and nothing has changed. Walking into a fight and not doing a thing (suicide leeching) is not just "annoying" but is breaking the rules. It's leeching. That's the real bullshit, when you try and make an excuse that it's not leeching. Leeching doesn't mean you are just standing still afk at spawn. If you have done nothing in the round, or don't contribute to anything, or running in and dying on purpose, that is leeching. It's different if you are doing some stupid or ridiculous build for fun and can't get many kills, for example a lot of riding and shield skill with no power strike or anything, running around on a plated charger just dieseling people over, that is funny. Even if you don't get a lot of points or kills. At least you are doing something, whether it's carrying the team or just that charger bullshit, it's doing something. Running in and dying is pointless.

But he didn't suicide leech. He ran in and swung wildly, often hitting 1 or more people and causing a teamwound or two. He didn't go straight chinaman hold W and open the chatbox or program a small script/macro to run in and die.

Playing recklessly with wild abandon is not against the rules. His intent was to die quickly, yes. His intent was not to die quickly while accomplishing absolutely nothing. I saw what he was doing many times, and he'd frequently take me down to 3/4 HP with a stick or dagger, me being in full plate with heaps of strength.

He was banned simply because he has been banned before and has caused grief for the admins in the past, which is unjust.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 09:34:27 pm
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on June 29, 2014, 09:28:24 pm
He didn't go straight chinaman hold W and open the chatbox o




.....I hereby stand down from this trial. Mercy please.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sauce on June 29, 2014, 09:48:00 pm
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 08:39:13 pm
Nothing but stupid, mouth breathing, troglodyte, nasal nerds in this game pretty much.

Cunt deserved to get banned. There's a fine line between having fun and fucking around, as apposed to being a stupid dork troll, that day in and day out is just a little annoying wierdo. It's not about admins being biased or abusing power (which I'm not saying there isn't some of those out there), but it's also about people just acting like an ass in this game 24/7. People just push it too far by breaking/bending rules and trying to find some stupid loophole and think it's ok to do it. If for maybe one day you would just stop acting like a fucking 15 year old 4chan member, maybe admins wouldn't have to put up with so much shit and be forced to do things like this.


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These type of people share the same teamspeak with the admins. It's like they've been getting admin-ear-fucked for so long the autistic DNA is spilling onto their keyboards.

By your words someone like Testi is a "cunt stupid dork troll" who should be perma-banned (if he ever decides to play after his military service a). Is this how admins and a certain part of the community stand? Ditch this horseshit.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 09:49:42 pm
Quote from: Sauce on June 29, 2014, 09:48:00 pm
These type of people share the same teamspeak with the admins. It's like they've been getting admin-ear-fucked for so long the autistic DNA is spilling onto their keyboards.

By your words someone like Testi is a "cunt stupid dork troll" who should be perma-banned (if he ever decides to play after his military service a). Is this how admins and a certain part of the community stand? Ditch this horseshit.

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 09:56:35 pm
Quote from: Sauce on June 29, 2014, 09:48:00 pm
These type of people share the same teamspeak with the admins. It's like they've been getting admin-ear-fucked for so long the autistic DNA is spilling onto their keyboards.

By your words someone like Testi is a "cunt stupid dork troll" who should be perma-banned (if he ever decides to play after his military service a). Is this how admins and a certain part of the community stand? Ditch this horseshit.

Lol most of the admins chill in their own corner of ts, and ironically dislike a lot of people in the same ts. Just because we are in the same ts doesn't mean it's some giant Illuminati conspiracy stone masons bullshit. For example. Dracul is in the same ts. They are pretty much by themselves everyday. They don't really venture out of their channel and nobody really goes in there. Why? I couldn't tell you, but regardless they share the same ts. The same goes for every other community in the ts. Everyone for a good part keeps to their own clan/group of friends. Yes Testi has leeched a number of times, but he still does something. Like I said with even if it's a stupid build and gear, at least he's doing something. I've seen him wreck a numerous people with a high STR/PS build with his stick or a practice sword or something ridiculous. He has been kicked and punished plenty of times for whatever action he makes of leeching or teamwounding, even if it's for fun, and he accepts it, because he knew he might have been in the wrong. It's not like he is getting a get out of jail and pass go card.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:07:02 pm
It doesn't matter what you, or I, or anyone says Tom. It's quite obvious that players will band together to defend someone, even though it's extremely clear the player was in the wrong. The question really isn't whether or not Allers deserved punishment--because he did. The severity of the punishment is what I, and others do not understand--though the means to find out why it was so severe have been very crude.

You can't have an opinion in this thread that doesn't share popular opinion, or you get accused of being a tool, brown-noser, douchebag, or whatnot. Well pardon the fuck out of me. "Stand United with Allers" is a title that suggests Allers was in the right. He wasn't. Revisit the ban threads and see what was said, and what he said, you honestly can't sit here and skirt around the issue to make it sound like he wasn't doing -something- wrong.

Now, was he unfairly punished? Possibly. But that's not for me, or this community to decide--admins weighed in, and admins gave their verdict. I'm so tired of seeing people I respect such as Daruvian, Havelle, Sauce, and a lot of you others just fall prey to this issue. Much the same as people blindly defending Huey back in the day (though Huey was much cooler than Allers), it just doesn't make sense.


Bring on more down votes, by all means. Simply expressing my opinion, and NOT standing united with you fucking dimwits.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Swaggart on June 29, 2014, 10:09:34 pm
What is utterly missing from this conversation is the explaination as to why his actions were considered leaching. And no, running in and swinging wildly is not good enough as I see plenty of people doing that.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Carthan on June 29, 2014, 10:10:43 pm
Quote from: HardRice on June 27, 2014, 09:55:26 pm
So Allers doesn't try sometimes. What kind of cunt fucking shitsock would think that's a ban worthy offense?

Ganner you're an old, inactive cunt who probably shouldn't be an admin anymore anyway. If this is the type of adminning we're alright with, we might as well put smoothrich and goretooth back on the team.

#ThaxForAdmin2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:12:51 pm
Quote from: Swaggart on June 29, 2014, 10:09:34 pm
What is utterly missing from this conversation is the explaination as to why his actions were considered leaching. And no, running in and swinging wildly is not good enough as I see plenty of people doing that.

Allers defense basically spilled out exactly what the admins needed to hear to make a ruling in their case. Visit my first post in this thread, you'll see the quote, or just visit his original ban thread.

I'm not particularly even agreeing with the severity of the punishment for something so minuscule (in my opinion) of an offense. It is somewhat of a gray-area, which is why I mentioned to unban him (though the way I said it obviously buttgurped a lot of people). The rule is somewhat unclear, but how he spelled out what he was doing makes it sound, at least in someway that he was intentionally leaching and hurting his team.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Swaggart on June 29, 2014, 10:13:36 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:07:02 pm
...Now, was he unfairly punished? Possibly. But that's not for me, or this community to decide--admins weighed in, and admins gave their verdict.

If that's the case then every admin that lost their power because of their decisions should be reinstated. For fucks sake, Dex lost his because he changed the map. Is that also not for this community to decide?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:19:22 pm
Quote from: Swaggart on June 29, 2014, 10:13:36 pm
If that's the case then every admin that lost their power because of their decisions should be reinstated. For fucks sake, Dex lost his because he changed the map. Is that also not for this community to decide?

Canary is the head admin of the NA admins, he should be the one ultimately deciding, if not cmp or chadz. He's been awfully quiet about this whole ordeal, it would be interesting to see what he, or any other "higher-ups" have to say about this.

But until then, this thread will just continue to harbor everyone's opinions, and hurled insults around at one another simply because opinions differ.

I don't like Allers, at all. But I do agree we should at least hear something in the way of a FINAL DECISION from Canary or someone else, because right now it stands on shaky grounds. I can see why he was banned, and I understand (at least to a point) why Ganner decided to make it permanent...but obviously the outcome was so shady in a sense that it has split everyone into two sides; those who agree he should have been banned, and those who don't (or at least, those that don't agree he should have been -permabanned-).
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:22:54 pm
Tanken the way you say things makes it sound like theres a 50-50 split and its up in the air, except the poll right at the top of your page shows that 70%+ of people disagree with the ban. Less than 30% agree with it. That's not a split m8.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 29, 2014, 10:23:09 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:07:02 pm
The question really isn't whether or not Allers deserved punishment--because he did. The severity of the punishment is what I, and others do not understand--though the means to find out why it was so severe have been very crude.


But he didn't break any rules. I watched him nearly every day, and he did not suicide leech without swinging his weapon nor refusing to block. He played recklessly with little armour, still getting more points than the bottom 1/5 of the scoreboard each map.

I dislike Allers a lot. Really, I do. I'm not sticking up for him because I want to do the trendy thing, or because I want to be contrary. I think its fucking hilarious that he got banned. Still, it was an unjust ban meant to teach him a lesson that the admin crew has power over him.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:26:12 pm
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:22:54 pm
Tanken the way you say things makes it sound like theres a 50-50 split and its up in the air, except the poll right at the top of your page shows that 70%+ of people disagree with the ban. Less than 30% agree with it. That's not a split m8.

Yeah, perhaps, but I would also wager that 70% of this forum is full of trolls and asshats. If you're polling a majority of cum babies, then you're going to see a poll result in the favor of the popular cum baby opinion.

Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on June 29, 2014, 10:23:09 pm
But he didn't break any rules. I watched him nearly every day, and he did not suicide leech without swinging his weapon nor refusing to block. He played recklessly with little armour, still getting more points than the bottom 1/5 of the scoreboard each map.

I dislike Allers a lot. Really, I do. I'm not sticking up for him because I want to do the trendy thing, or because I want to be contrary. I think its fucking hilarious that he got banned. Still, it was an unjust ban meant to teach him a lesson that the admin crew has power over him.

I never saw him play, or at least, I didn't know I was watching Allers. I'm positive Ganner didn't either, and Ganner's primary point-of-interest to ban him was what he said in his defense. Now, whether Allers just misspoke or not could be the hidden key as to whether or not he would have been banned. Judging purely from what he said in his ban thread and not from his actions in game (because I didn't see them), it sounds like a form of leaching. A lot of us can agree on that at least. Now, depending on how Ganner interpreted it was obviously the reason the punishment was dealt.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:29:18 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:26:12 pm
the majority opinion doesn't matter if i disagree with it because they must just be trying to make people upset, i mean why wouldnt they just agree with me

ftfy
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 10:32:44 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:07:02 pm
It doesn't matter what you, or I, or anyone says Tom. It's quite obvious that players will band together to defend someone, even though it's extremely clear the player was in the wrong. The question really isn't whether or not Allers deserved punishment--because he did. The severity of the punishment is what I, and others do not understand--though the means to find out why it was so severe have been very crude.

You can't have an opinion in this thread that doesn't share popular opinion, or you get accused of being a tool, brown-noser, douchebag, or whatnot. Well pardon the fuck out of me. "Stand United with Allers" is a title that suggests Allers was in the right. He wasn't. Revisit the ban threads and see what was said, and what he said, you honestly can't sit here and skirt around the issue to make it sound like he wasn't doing -something- wrong.

Now, was he unfairly punished? Possibly. But that's not for me, or this community to decide--admins weighed in, and admins gave their verdict. I'm so tired of seeing people I respect such as Daruvian, Havelle, Sauce, and a lot of you others just fall prey to this issue. Much the same as people blindly defending Huey back in the day (though Huey was much cooler than Allers), it just doesn't make sense.


Bring on more down votes, by all means. Simply expressing my opinion, and NOT standing united with you fucking dimwits.

I'm not trying to take sides. It goes both ways. I already said there was bad admins, but that goes for players double imo. I just hate it when people shit on the admins (all of them) most of the time for something stupid or no reason at all, because they have nothing better to do. Also track record is a perfect excuse, especially for one like Allers. That's a fair point to bring up in any ones case.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:34:40 pm
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:29:18 pm
ftfy

You're so clever Daruvian. Wow.

Just basically proving my point.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: chesterotab on June 29, 2014, 10:35:06 pm
I have thoroughly reviewed all of the evidence against Allers and can say, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Allers should be freed immediately.

Since when was not blocking considering leaching? I never saw him afk in spawn, delaying rounds, spawning without a weapon, or hiding in a corner. The worst he is guilty of is charging into battle in a peasant frenzy usually bashing people in the process, and causing general disruption for the opposing team. Allers even spawns with armor! On my ALT all I spawned with is a dagger or a short sword completely naked level 1-31 and I was never even warned. Even with his history of bans NO ONE should be PERMA banned over something "leaching" related, that is insane. (and he wasn't even leaching)

Please admin team, reconsider your stance on this because from an outsider's perspective it looks like spergy power tripping from holier than thou internet white knights hurting the community for little to no reason other than a dislike of Allers. Sure, you all "agreed" on it, but that ALWAYS happens which i suspect is because it is easier to just go along with whatever Canary says rather than argue. Can you really see San telling Canary and Ganner to fuck off because there is no legit reason for a perma ban here? Of course not, which is why he just agreed to back their opinion on the matter. We need more goodmins from different non Chaos related social circles. The papasmurf.bounceme.net conspiracy brother Elijah Keshian foretold about is very real and very scary.

North America needs more admins that really understand that they are moderating a niche video game mod consisting primarily of adults. We need an admin with a sense of fairness. An admin that represents and communicates openly with the average player. An admin that has the courage to make his opinions known even if they conflict with others. An admin with a long history of standing up for what he believes in...
 

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on June 29, 2014, 10:39:20 pm
I'm not at the point to writing paragraphs to show what I really think, but here's my two cents:

Stop and think about the way we gain XP. Does this system pertain to some of the things we're seeing here?

Fix the mod and most of our problems will go away.

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Novamere on June 29, 2014, 10:46:32 pm
If any of you think CMP or chadz cares about the admins running the mod in NA then your dreaming they havent cared since the Shik/Smoothrich conflict.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:48:42 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:34:40 pm
You're so clever Daruvian. Wow.

Just basically proving my point.

Seriously though that is the idea behind what you said--"the people disagreeing with me have no credibility because I say so. I have credibility. Therefore regardless of them having a large majority, I am right because of assumed credibility."

Thats exactly fucking it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:52:44 pm
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:48:42 pm
Seriously though that is the idea behind what you said--"the people disagreeing with me have no credibility because I say so. I have credibility. Therefore regardless of them having a large majority, I am right because of assumed credibility."

Thats exactly fucking it.

Have you even read any of what I have said, Daruvian? I have simply said that I understand why Ganner banned him and given Allers record, it was deserving of SOME sort of punishment. I have time and time again in this thread said that permaban probably wasn't be best option and I have also made mention to unban him.

Is that not enough of a neutral side while still maintaining my opinion? You can't honestly sit here and say you disagree with me on the fact that this forum is riddled with trolls. Just look at everyone, including you, that downvoted my original post in regards to my opinion on the matter. There's the problem with your little poll, not to mention that you added it way late in the thread and most people that would have voted on it as a passerby gave up because of the shit-storm it's dissolved into.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:57:56 pm
Naw man my comments right now have NOTHING to do with your earlier posts. All I'm saying is that you trying to discredit the majority opinion because "they're just trolls" is neckbeard bullshit. It doesn't matter what you think they are, that's bullshit. That's some fucking Jim Crow ideal bullshit, seriously, just discrediting people because you don't like them. A vote is a fucking vote, Tanken. Enough of that elitist BS.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 10:58:57 pm
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 29, 2014, 10:57:56 pm
Naw man my comments right now have NOTHING to do with your earlier posts. All I'm saying is that you trying to discredit the majority opinion because "they're just trolls" is neckbeard bullshit. It doesn't matter what you think they are, that's bullshit. That's some fucking Jim Crow ideal bullshit, seriously, just discrediting people because you don't like them. A vote is a fucking vote, Tanken. Enough of that elitist BS.

I'm not even acting Elitist. This forum is riddled with autism, you know that, I know that. You added the poll late in to the thread--which my point still stands on that.


Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on June 28, 2014, 05:02:16 pm
I have added a poll 2 judge the communitys opinion, pls get ur friends to vote on it

4th page in. Anyone still actively engaged in this thread by this point was exposed to-- wait a second. Are we fucking arguing over the legitimacy of a poll and its gathered results. Holy shit I have autism and need to go outside.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 29, 2014, 11:03:47 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:58:57 pm
I'm not even acting Elitist. This forum is riddled with autism, you know that, I know that. You added the poll late in to the thread--which my point still stands on that.


4th page in. Anyone still actively engaged in this thread by this point was exposed to-- wait a second. Are we fucking arguing over the legitimacy of a poll and its gathered results. Holy shit I have autism and need to go outside.
Brownnoser extreme Tanken strikes back
You already got the award what more do you want Tanken?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 11:05:59 pm
I just don't understand why people can't just play the game and have fun. No trolling, no abusing, no shitalking, just have fun and play  :D

Every day I play I just wanna.....
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 11:07:14 pm
Quote from: Goretooth on June 29, 2014, 11:03:47 pm
Brownnoser extreme Tanken strikes back
You already got the award what more do you want Tanken?

I want your voice, Goretooth.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 29, 2014, 11:08:49 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 11:07:14 pm
I want your voice, Goretooth.
I want you to buy one of these
visitors can't see pics , please register or login

and use it
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 11:09:55 pm
Was a mean thing to say.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 29, 2014, 11:12:50 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 11:09:55 pm
Way ahead of you, down 80 lbs.

I would like you to get one of these though,

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lol my voice is pretty normal unlike your belt size.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
C'mon Goretooth. Look at what we're dissolving into. My original statement about your voice was in regards to your deep voice, not the other side of it. I apologize for it seeming different and meant to harm.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 29, 2014, 11:15:09 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
C'mon Goretooth. Look at what we're dissolving into. My original statement about your voice was in regards to your deep voice, not the other side of it. I apologize for it seeming different and meant to harm.
Stop brownnosing for fuck sakes kid
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 29, 2014, 11:21:01 pm
truly i am fostering greatness in this community, bringing out the best in everyone

but its all for a purpose

04/07/2014
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sauce on June 29, 2014, 11:23:35 pm
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 09:56:35 pm
Lol most of the admins chill in their own corner of ts, and ironically dislike a lot of people in the same ts.

The Head NA admins dislike the community so much they have also alienated the people in their own teamspeak? chadz, this should be your first red flag.

Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 09:56:35 pm
Yes Testi has leeched a number of times, but he still does something. Like I said with even if it's a stupid build and gear, at least he's doing something. I've seen him wreck a numerous people with a high STR/PS build with his stick or a practice sword or something ridiculous

Now replace "Testi" with "Allers" and this semi-coherent statement is still a decent description of both players. The only thing contrasting here is a latent bias from yourself and part of the community (Also, Testi was banned? Show me the ban request).


Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 10:12:51 pm
Allers defense basically spilled out exactly what the admins needed to hear to make a ruling in their case. Visit my first post in this thread, you'll see the quote, or just visit his original ban thread.

Allers is a young adult, not a fucking defense litigator (not yet maybe!). Seems like there's an increasing number of "Neckbeards, Internet Attorney at Law" in the cRPG community.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Kaoklai on June 29, 2014, 11:27:50 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
C'mon Goretooth. Look at what we're dissolving into.

I like how this bitch acts above it all and he's barely literate. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 11:33:41 pm
Kaoklai. Don't be rude. You're a grown ass man.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 29, 2014, 11:42:29 pm
insert tanken.png here (you know the one)
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 11:47:03 pm
Quote from: Sauce on June 29, 2014, 11:23:35 pm
The Head NA admins dislike the community so much they have also alienated the people in their own teamspeak? chadz, this should be your first red flag.

Now replace "Testi" with "Allers" and this semi-coherent statement is still a decent description of both players. The only thing contrasting here is a latent bias from yourself and part of the community (Also, Testi was banned? Show me the ban request).


It's not the admins ts, it's papasmurfs, they reside in it. Everyone is welcome to come in and make use of it. Just because some people disagree sometimes or don't like each other doesn't mean they condemn the entire clan or group of people they are with. Which is the same situation with the admins. Because one or two admins has abused their powers and gone off the hinge a few times or with someone specifically, that doesn't mean you shit on the entirety of the admins.

As for Allers I never said the perma ban was just, he deserves a ban still (a fairly lengthy one, but not too long), but not necessarily a perma. With his track record, it doesn't help his case at all. If you give him a simple ban with a short length then you will never learn. People would abuse it over and over again. When it gets to the banned when you have been banned so many times, for some times being something more serious, or something as simple as double spawning, it doesn't matter. It gets to the point where it's just ridiculous.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2014, 11:47:37 pm
I honestly deserve it at this point.

Look, to everyone, especially Goretooth I am sorry. I'm letting my emotions get the best of me on the internet. I'm very sorry, to anyone I offended and upset. I know this won't rectify every issue, but I owe it to myself and everyone to at least stop a moment and apologize.

I lashed out, we're all guilty of doing that. I am sorry to target you Goretooth in particular, and others as well in not-so-direct ways. I made a mistake, and I deeply regret it. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, but I would just appreciate if the personal attacks on me (and others) would stop at this point and we get back on topic. I moved this thread in the wrong direction, and I am entirely at fault for that.

I'm sorry.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on June 30, 2014, 12:12:43 am
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 11:47:03 pm
Just because some people disagree sometimes or don't like each other doesn't mean they condemn the entire clan or group of people they are with. Which is the same situation with the admins. Because one or two admins has abused their powers and gone off the hinge a few times or with someone specifically, that doesn't mean you shit on the entirety of the admins.

People were just upset with ganner until other admins said it was the bulk of the admins that agreed with this decision, thus, they are not angry with ganner, they are angry with the bulk of the admins.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 30, 2014, 12:13:53 am
Quote from: Jack1 on June 30, 2014, 12:12:43 am
People were just upset with ganner until other admins said it was the bulk of the admins that agreed with this decision, thus, they are not angry with ganner, they are angry with the bulk of the admins.

Jack I swear to christ....


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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 30, 2014, 12:47:21 am
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 11:47:03 pm
As for Allers I never said the perma ban was just, he deserves a ban still (a fairly lengthy one, but not too long), but not necessarily a perma. With his track record, it doesn't help his case at all. If you give him a simple ban with a short length then you will never learn. People would abuse it over and over again. When it gets to the banned when you have been banned so many times, for some times being something more serious, or something as simple as double spawning, it doesn't matter. It gets to the point where it's just ridiculous.

Its pretty clear to any actual witnesses besides the esteemed Winstona Churchhill that Allers was not blatantly chinaman gold-farmer mode running in and dying. He played without much regard for his own virtual life, but was still more useful to his team than several players each map that were legitimately trying.

Is it against the rules to do that because he has been previously banned? I don't give two shits about how heinous his e-crimes were, unless he like got someone fired from their job or autoblocked a bunch or something. I'm not familiar with many of them, either. They were from a time where I was a blissfully unaware sperg-to-be that didn't visit the forums or do anything like that. Still, it doesn't matter.

Would I be allowed to wear cloth armour and wield a rondel dagger, running into the enemy and attempting to shank them round after round? I think that I would. I've received a 15 minute ban from Partyboy (well done btw on that Shik, 10/10) from saying "I am a gigantic bundle of sticks please rape my face" in all-chat for homophobia, and a 2-hour ban from Artyem for drunkenly murdering Sparvico at 3am one time after he told me to kill him. I think I may have received a ban from Granpappy for spamming I-chat with vaguely racist things on a skip the fun character, but he unbanned me right after when I apologized to him on steam, and we had a very nice conversation for over an hour afterwards.

Point is, I have a very short "rap sheet" and I feel I'd be immune to being banned for the exact same behavior that Allers demonstrated, and that is wrong. Testi bro-coded damn near every round he played with naught but a wooden stick and a loving smile until flags came up, and I never saw anything happen to him (nor should it have, Testi=Besti etc).

The standards can be justifiably different for repeated offenses such as teamkilling, blatant continued harrassment, or exploiting, but not when an offense has not been technically committed, even if prior offenses have been committed.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 30, 2014, 01:21:22 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on June 30, 2014, 12:47:21 am
Its pretty clear to any actual witnesses besides the esteemed Winstona Churchhill that Allers was not blatantly chinaman gold-farmer mode running in and dying. He played without much regard for his own virtual life, but was still more useful to his team than several players each map that were legitimately trying.

Is it against the rules to do that because he has been previously banned? I don't give two shits about how heinous his e-crimes were, unless he like got someone fired from their job or autoblocked a bunch or something. I'm not familiar with many of them, either. They were from a time where I was a blissfully unaware sperg-to-be that didn't visit the forums or do anything like that. Still, it doesn't matter.

Would I be allowed to wear cloth armour and wield a rondel dagger, running into the enemy and attempting to shank them round after round? I think that I would. I've received a 15 minute ban from Partyboy (well done btw on that Shik, 10/10) from saying "I am a gigantic bundle of sticks please rape my face" in all-chat for homophobia, and a 2-hour ban from Artyem for drunkenly murdering Sparvico at 3am one time after he told me to kill him. I think I may have received a ban from Granpappy for spamming I-chat with vaguely racist things on a skip the fun character, but he unbanned me right after when I apologized to him on steam, and we had a very nice conversation for over an hour afterwards.

Point is, I have a very short "rap sheet" and I feel I'd be immune to being banned for the exact same behavior that Allers demonstrated, and that is wrong. Testi bro-coded damn near every round he played with naught but a wooden stick and a loving smile until flags came up, and I never saw anything happen to him (nor should it have, Testi=Besti etc).

The standards can be justifiably different for repeated offenses such as teamkilling, blatant continued harrassment, or exploiting, but not when an offense has not been technically committed, even if prior offenses have been committed.

I really don't care what he does. I'm just trying to find a balance between someone being an idiot and someone trying to bend and twist the rules around. I've been banned before for bullshit before, or something I didn't think was fair, but I was ok with it, because I don't really care lol. I also can admit when I was in the wrong, and would take the ban.

Allers also didn't really help his case at all when he kind of blew up with his retorts and on Ganners feedback thread.

I know Testi bro codes a ton, which I don't really care for, for anyone. I kill everyone on site (most of the time). I wasn't trying to defend him or justify him in anyway, or making him seem immune to kicks/bans when he wasn't/shouldn't be, as opposed to someone else. It's just that when only certain people are kicked or banned that other people jump to his/her rescue, regardless if they were in the right or wrong. It would always just seem to be a matter of if you like or don't like that person. It just seems (at least most of the times I see) that the community is normally the biased ones.

Like I said earlier. I'd just prefer if everyone would stop being shit stains and have fun with game. No abusing, no mega spergs. Just have fun, get drunk, and all that other bullshit.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on June 30, 2014, 01:24:37 am
Quote from: Sauce on June 29, 2014, 09:48:00 pm
These type of people share the same teamspeak with the admins. It's like they've been getting admin-ear-fucked for so long the autistic DNA is spilling onto their keyboards.

By your words someone like Testi is a "cunt stupid dork troll" who should be perma-banned (if he ever decides to play after his military service a). Is this how admins and a certain part of the community stand? Ditch this horseshit.

To add to this, I did think it was a bit strange that all these grown ass men were idolizing a 16 year old.   But I guess it just reminded me of the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 30, 2014, 01:34:24 am
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 30, 2014, 01:21:22 am
==It's just that when only certain people are kicked or banned that other people jump to his/her rescue, regardless if they were in the right or wrong. It would always just seem to be a matter of if you like or don't like that person. It just seems (at least most of the times I see) that the community is normally the biased ones.

But I really heavily dislike Allers. I think that although he's very good at the game, he treats other players like garbage, has a poor attitude, and is a general cunt. Daruvian feels the same way. Plenty of the people posting in his defense do actively dislike him.

I would make the exact same arguments for anyone wrongfully banned. I'd even defend Jason the Great or Vebb or Kesh (ok maybe not kesh, rofl) or any of the other like three people that I actually dislike in the community if it was under the exact same circumstances. Allers broke no rule, save for perhaps the completely open to any interpretation "common sense rule", which should be removed. That rule essentially means "you're banned because you're banned lol".
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 30, 2014, 01:39:01 am
Seriously neither do I, Allers is an unfunny asshole who I have never once spoken to.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on June 30, 2014, 01:39:11 am
Quote from: Tank Burner on June 29, 2014, 11:33:41 pm
Kaoklai. Don't be rude. You're a grown ass man.

Not as grown as you lol
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Novamere on June 30, 2014, 01:52:52 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on June 30, 2014, 01:39:11 am
Not as grown as you lol

hahahaha i see what you did there o man this thread is funny!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on June 30, 2014, 02:11:23 am
So where's this intense, week-long admin discussion about allers' ban?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Chosen1 on June 30, 2014, 02:17:18 am
All the admins are fugging assholes and smell like shit IRL probably, and it's all a chaos admen conspiracy1!!1!

They are truly the worst, I mean, how could they ban the Saint that goes by the name Allers, a truely virtuous individual we should all strive to model ourselves after?

We should remove all the corrupt chocolate chip cookie communist admin dictators immediately, right guys?

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 30, 2014, 02:47:16 am
Quote from: Novamere on June 30, 2014, 01:52:52 am
hahahaha i see what you did there o man this thread is funny!

reading it is turning me into a "groan-ass man"
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on June 30, 2014, 03:25:00 am
Quote from: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2014, 11:47:03 pm
It's not the admins ts, it's papasmurfs, they reside in it. Everyone is welcome to come in and make use of it. Just because some people disagree sometimes or don't like each other doesn't mean they condemn the entire clan or group of people they are with. Which is the same situation with the admins. Because one or two admins has abused their powers and gone off the hinge a few times or with someone specifically, that doesn't mean you shit on the entirety of the admins.

As for Allers I never said the perma ban was just, he deserves a ban still (a fairly lengthy one, but not too long), but not necessarily a perma. With his track record, it doesn't help his case at all. If you give him a simple ban with a short length then you will never learn. People would abuse it over and over again. When it gets to the banned when you have been banned so many times, for some times being something more serious, or something as simple as double spawning, it doesn't matter. It gets to the point where it's just ridiculous.

Considering I live with Allers, I know 100% this "leeching" won't happen again

The ban is honestly not doing anything except removing a player from the struggling community
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on June 30, 2014, 03:36:57 am
rip testi

save allers before he
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Ledrion on June 30, 2014, 04:03:06 am
I will be only plating with a dagger or maybe my axe but I will not block until allers is unbanned or I guess I get banned
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 30, 2014, 04:15:09 am
I'd like to see Allers duel the current NA admins without blocking, and any admin who loses to him gets permabanned along with Allers.
I mean if you can't beat someone 'leeching' aren't you effectively doing the same thing?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 30, 2014, 04:16:59 am
Quote from: imisshotmail on June 30, 2014, 04:15:09 am
I'd like to see Allers duel the current NA admins without blocking, and any admin who loses to him gets permabanned along with Allers.
I mean if you can't beat someone 'leeching' aren't you effectively doing the same thing?

as long as he "chooses to let us hit him"
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on June 30, 2014, 04:17:50 am
Quote from: imisshotmail on June 30, 2014, 04:15:09 am
I'd like to see Allers duel the current NA admins without blocking, and any admin who loses to him gets permabanned along with Allers.
I mean if you can't beat someone 'leeching' aren't you effectively doing the same thing?

Except all the admins suck except like Canary
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on June 30, 2014, 04:32:27 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on June 30, 2014, 04:16:59 am
as long as he "chooses to let us hit him"

If that's the reason Allers was banned here, ban all the cavalry players who charge into groups of enemies couching only to be dehorsed and killed instantly. Which of course is 90%+ of them.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Porkthegreat on June 30, 2014, 07:10:51 am
This troll has many many bans on multiple accounts....You make your bed you should have to lie in it.   Ban should stand.  stop riding allers dick (if he has one )
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on June 30, 2014, 10:38:36 am
Quote from: Miley on June 30, 2014, 04:17:50 am
Except all the admins suck except like San
fixed it for you.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 30, 2014, 11:40:47 am
Quote from: Porkthegreat on June 30, 2014, 07:10:51 am
This troll has many many bans on multiple accounts....You make your bed you should have to lie in it.   Ban should stand.  stop riding allers dick (if he has one )

Your argument is based upon this:

"He has been banned in the past, so he should be banned again."

Like others in this thread, you fail to realize multiple advocates of his unban actively despise him, including myself. I do not wish to see anyone banned unfairly, even if I think they are scum. The only real person riding his dick here is Miley, which is understandable since he's related by blood to Allers, and blood goes far deeper than internet loyalties to most folk.

Allers broke no rules; he should not be banned for what he has done.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: woody on June 30, 2014, 11:55:28 am
I think most of the admins are pretty good. Theres maybe the odd power mad idiot with delusions of grandeur but thats about it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on June 30, 2014, 01:49:54 pm
Quote from: Goretooth on June 30, 2014, 10:38:36 am
fixed it for you.

Goretooth I get no love from you?  I am upset.

Let me cheer you up.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on June 30, 2014, 06:33:49 pm
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on June 30, 2014, 07:37:15 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on June 30, 2014, 01:49:54 pm
Goretooth I get no love from you?  I am upset.

Let me cheer you up.


Well actually you suck and you're really easy to beat so....

And yes I forgot San, I probably forgot others but most admins are 2 ez
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on June 30, 2014, 10:27:10 pm
Quote from: Miley on June 30, 2014, 07:37:15 pm
Well actually you suck and you're really easy to beat so....

And yes I forgot San, I probably forgot others but most admins are 2 ez
Miley you are a great player and hard to beat.

Especially when you double spawn.  Sometimes I get lucky and kill Miley 1v1.  It is really hard to kill him twice in one round though.   :wink:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on July 01, 2014, 03:41:51 am
Quote from: EyeBeat on June 30, 2014, 10:27:10 pm
Miley you are a great player and hard to beat.

Especially when you double spawn.  Sometimes I get lucky and kill Miley 1v1.  It is really hard to kill him twice in one round though.   :wink:

You're really easy. Like 10/10 easy
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 02, 2014, 06:20:35 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on June 30, 2014, 06:33:49 pm
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:rolleyes:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on July 02, 2014, 06:27:30 pm
and here we have it folks, allers still banned even though EIGHTY people have said its bullshit, like wha in the fuck badmins, the fuck is wrong with you
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 02, 2014, 06:28:06 pm
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on July 02, 2014, 06:27:30 pm
and here we have it folks, allers still banned even though EIGHTY people have said its bullshit, like wha in the fuck badmins, the fuck is wrong with you

81, I can't vote but I would vote No
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on July 02, 2014, 06:46:16 pm
why is allers still banned

ffs bendak uses a dagger and he isn't banned

i.e. he can't block
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 08:20:23 pm
Quote from: GOBBLIN KING GREAT LEADER on July 02, 2014, 06:27:30 pm
and here we have it folks, allers still banned even though EIGHTY people have said its bullshit, like wha in the fuck badmins, the fuck is wrong with you

Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy. Let's look at the facts:

1. If you break a rule, you get punished

2. He broke a rule

3. Therefore, he was punished
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on July 02, 2014, 08:29:14 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 08:20:23 pm
Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy. Let's look at the facts:

1. If you break a rule, you get punished

2. He broke a rule

3. Therefore, he was punished

please just stop typing, just stop

just take that can of mt dew code red  next 2 u and pour it in your computer right now
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Noodlenrice on July 02, 2014, 08:53:40 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 02, 2014, 08:43:03 pm
A no name has his 15 minutes and he just continues bad, base "trolling".
he is Kim Jong Un
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jona on July 02, 2014, 09:19:47 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 08:20:23 pm
Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy. Let's look at the facts:

1. If you break a rule, you get punished

2. He broke a rule

3. Therefore, he was punished

Please, feel free to enlighten us... what rule was broken? The entire community can't seem to figure it out, but since you're so smart surely you must know.


Actually, nevermind. I've got enough of a headache already after reading just one of your posts and don't need more of your shit.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 02, 2014, 09:46:03 pm
Quote from: Jona on July 02, 2014, 09:19:47 pm
Please, feel free to enlighten us... what rule was broken? The entire community can't seem to figure it out, but since you're so smart surely you must know.


Actually, nevermind. I've got enough of a headache already after reading just one of your posts and don't need more of your shit.

Apparently he was suicide leeching. That is on the assumption that charging the enemy swinging your weapon is considered suicide.
However, what is beyond me is that it is only Allers being banned. Apparently because of his ban history.
But let us assume that this ban is just. This, however, does not justify other people not being punished at all for doing the exact same thing.

So either 50% of all other people have to be punished as well, or Allers has to be unbanned. To me only the latter makes sense. Having the responsible admin/s write an apology for having done the wrong thing would be too much to ask, since 50% of them are probably somewhat mentally challenged anyway.

This ban is once again perfect proof of how broken this system is. Admins are corrupt and retarded as fuck. Players who harm the community more than anything else walk free while people who do a minor offence get a lifetime sentence.

chadz, you probably won't read this, but if you expect any of us to actually spend money on your new game you gotta do something about the current situation. Reevaluate what admins deserve to keep their powers, because many of the current ones do not deserve them at all.
I personally do not want to spend money on a game in which the most power hungry people get powers to permban people. And I assume many others think alike.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:14:16 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 02, 2014, 08:43:03 pm
A no name has his 15 minutes and he just continues bad, base "trolling".

Can't blame me for trying to milk this for all its worth
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: HardRice on July 02, 2014, 10:16:50 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:14:16 pm
Can't blame me for trying to milk this for all its worth
0 multiplied by 0 is still 0
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:17:41 pm
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Quote from: HardRice on July 02, 2014, 10:16:50 pm
0 multiplied by 0 is still 0
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 02, 2014, 10:20:36 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:14:16 pm
Can't blame me for trying to milk this for all its worth

Yes I can, you're being a phenomenal jackass and you're not even funny or cute.

Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:17:41 pm
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Man, I never thought I'd downvote this gif. What has the world come to?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:43:22 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 02, 2014, 10:32:47 pm
Everyone's just mad at Ganner. I don't think you even got any attention til I said that like 20 minutes ago.

Yeah I've had to work hard but it's finally paying off
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: cup457 on July 02, 2014, 11:08:54 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 02, 2014, 10:43:22 pm
Yeah I've had to work hard but it's finally paying off
you are the worst poster in this forum
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DrTaco on July 02, 2014, 11:27:02 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 02, 2014, 10:53:47 pm
Call me when Daruvian makes a thread about you, otherwise you're just riding Ganner's coat tails, pathetically pleading with shit memes to be noticed by the community.

You can return to being some guy no one's ever heard of next week when this blows over.

We can't be that angry with him, really. He can hardly think straight with his face full of Ganner's dick.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 02, 2014, 11:37:49 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 02, 2014, 10:53:47 pm
You can return to being some guy no one's ever heard of next week when this blows over.

lol if you think everyone will drop the subject / action will be taken in a single week.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 03, 2014, 06:44:15 am
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 02, 2014, 10:53:47 pm
Call me when Daruvian makes a thread about you, otherwise you're just riding Ganner's coat tails, pathetically pleading with shit memes to be noticed by the community.

You can return to being some guy no one's ever heard of next week when this blows over.

I think the level of autistic rage I've seen in this thread has already guaranteed me a spot in the CRPG history books. I'd like to give a warm thanks to everyone who made my dream a reality.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 03, 2014, 06:56:09 am
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 03, 2014, 06:44:15 am
I think the level of autistic rage I've seen in this thread has already guaranteed me a spot in the CRPG history books. I'd like to give a warm thanks to everyone who made my dream a reality.

We will break the fingers of your scribes. We will cut the tongues of your courtly musicians and poets. We will burn your library. We will topple your statues.

None shall sing of your deeds. No record of your existence shall remain. We will erase you.

-a victorious Mayan warlord
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sir_Wonka on July 03, 2014, 07:17:33 am
Quote from: HardRice on July 02, 2014, 10:16:50 pm
0 multiplied by 0 is still 0
So 0x0 =0. But what if u take 0 and +3. That =3. Take 3 and divide it by 3 and u get 1. Take 3 ones and make a triangle. Illuminati?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 03, 2014, 09:31:19 am
Strange we haven't see a wall of quotes to grace this thread from Canary filled with long winded paragraphs that go nowhere for many lines ahead. Masking problems with irrelevant information is the canary way to admin.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jona on July 03, 2014, 03:27:20 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 03, 2014, 06:44:15 am
I think the level of autistic rage I've seen in this thread has already guaranteed me a spot in the CRPG history books. I'd like to give a warm thanks to everyone who made my dream a reality.

I dont even know your in-game name. No one cares about forum names. You ain't being remembered for shit, son.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 03, 2014, 04:04:49 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on July 02, 2014, 09:46:03 pm
Apparently he was suicide leeching. That is on the assumption that charging the enemy swinging your weapon is considered suicide.
However, what is beyond me is that it is only Allers being banned. Apparently because of his ban history.
But let us assume that this ban is just. This, however, does not justify other people not being punished at all for doing the exact same thing.

So either 50% of all other people have to be punished as well, or Allers has to be unbanned. To me only the latter makes sense. Having the responsible admin/s write an apology for having done the wrong thing would be too much to ask, since 50% of them are probably somewhat mentally challenged anyway.

This ban is once again perfect proof of how broken this system is. Admins are corrupt and retarded as fuck. Players who harm the community more than anything else walk free while people who do a minor offence get a lifetime sentence.

chadz, you probably won't read this, but if you expect any of us to actually spend money on your new game you gotta do something about the current situation. Reevaluate what admins deserve to keep their powers, because many of the current ones do not deserve them at all.
I personally do not want to spend money on a game in which the most power hungry people get powers to permban people. And I assume many others think alike.

People in the 'in crowd' do not get punished/banned due to their lack of 'ban history' for breaking the same exact rules. A nice quote from an NA admin regarding the resolution to a deserved ban against a forum celebrity: (http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-baby_mae/msg846694/#msg846694)
Quote
After viewing the logs and the screenshot you submitted, I am going to let this go with a warning. I was not there, but the information from the logs seems questionable. As another point, Mae has no previous ban record (meaning that they are not a known troll). Locking thread, please direct any criticisms to http://forum.melee.org/game-admin-feedback/(na)-phantasmal/.

When people break the rules why are bans not distributed equally? If they were, referencing the 'history of bans' would not be such a crock of shit, and would be an accurate historic piece of statistics to base a judgement like this off of. So I beg to question the admin staff, how can you use a 'ban history' as a sticking point, or sole reason to justify your actions, when bans, and tracking them, is  complete horse shit?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Canary on July 03, 2014, 04:22:44 pm
Quote from: Goretooth on July 03, 2014, 09:31:19 am
Strange we haven't see a wall of quotes to grace this thread from Canary filled with long winded paragraphs that go nowhere for many lines ahead. Masking problems with irrelevant information is the canary way to admin.

Better to try and share my perspective than to say nothing and leave people hanging.

Quote from: kooktar on July 03, 2014, 04:04:49 pm
When people break the rules why are bans given equally? Thus the history of bans being an accurate historic piece of statistics to base a judgement like this off of? So I beg to question the admin staff, how can you use a 'ban history' as a sticking point, or sole reason to justify your actions?

You might as well ask "why ban anyone in the first place?" If someone gets punished multiple times, especially if it's for the same thing, and punishment doesn't escalate (or, theoretically, isn't issued in the first place) then we're essentially allowing someone we know is going to break the rules continue to do so unhindered. It's not a flawless system, of course, because of oversights and kicks and warnings not being recorded. Ban history is primarily taken into account when considering the duration of a punishment. Conversely, if whatever "crime" is very grievous, a long ban may be given to a first time offender. Similarly, if someone is doing something that isn't okay but is relatively mild and doesn't normally net anyone a ban they may only be given a warning (or mute or kick) even if they do have a history of bans (with exceptions: see below).

In the case of allers, it was concluded that he broke the rule he was accused of breaking. His ban history came to bear on the permanence of his ban, since he's had multiple accounts permbanned already and has already received an essay ban - after an incident where one of his accounts was permbanned for exploiting QML on an empty server. After all of this, a smaller punishment could not have been considered with respect to the way permbans are handled. It wouldn't have been fair to the other people who have received permanent bans. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 03, 2014, 04:47:13 pm
Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 04:22:44 pm
In the case of allers, it was concluded that he broke the rule he was accused of breaking. His ban history came to bear on the permanence of his ban, since he's had multiple accounts permbanned already and has already received an essay ban - after an incident where one of his accounts was permbanned for exploiting QML on an empty server. After all of this, a smaller punishment could not have been considered with respect to the way permbans are handled. It wouldn't have been fair to the other people who have received permanent bans.

So because unfortunately permanent bans are a real thing, and have been issued to members of this community on a VIDEO GAME, is your justification to issue the harshest of penalties on such a minor infraction?

Leeching in general has no impact to the enjoyment of players, literally the balancer is broken as shit, and if anything that software and the coder behind it should be perma banned. Yet you let HX scrubs delay the game for 3 minutes round after round.

Over TWO THIRDS of this 'community' in which you 'enforce' 'rules' to protect say this decision is wrong. I personally hate Allers, yet I know if this happens to one person, it can happen to another.

The main problem with this is the Admin staff is judge jury and executioner. chadz wrote the rules. You guys enforce them AND interpret their meaning. This is definately not a balance of powers. The people that MAKE THIS GAME should be the able overturn decisions like permanently removing a member of the community.

You yourself have said he has had multiple permanently banned accounts, why was he not instantly re-permanently banned upon knowing IT WAS HIM? All this is, appears to be an attempt to troll a player out of looms, as it appears only permanent bans apply to a player's account, rather than the player? Honestly another reason the 'permanent ban' is complete horse shit.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 03, 2014, 05:08:19 pm
Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 04:22:44 pm
Better to try and share my perspective than to say nothing and leave people hanging.

You might as well ask "why ban anyone in the first place?" If someone gets punished multiple times, especially if it's for the same thing, and punishment doesn't escalate (or, theoretically, isn't issued in the first place) then we're essentially allowing someone we know is going to break the rules continue to do so unhindered. It's not a flawless system, of course, because of oversights and kicks and warnings not being recorded. Ban history is primarily taken into account when considering the duration of a punishment. Conversely, if whatever "crime" is very grievous, a long ban may be given to a first time offender. Similarly, if someone is doing something that isn't okay but is relatively mild and doesn't normally net anyone a ban they may only be given a warning (or mute or kick) even if they do have a history of bans (with exceptions: see below).

In the case of allers, it was concluded that he broke the rule he was accused of breaking. His ban history came to bear on the permanence of his ban, since he's had multiple accounts permbanned already and has already received an essay ban - after an incident where one of his accounts was permbanned for exploiting QML on an empty server. After all of this, a smaller punishment could not have been considered with respect to the way permbans are handled. It wouldn't have been fair to the other people who have received permanent bans.

you're still not answering the questions of half the community:

1. if allers gets banned for this why has half the community not been warned/banned for running in, swinging, then dyeing without blocking once?

2. Why does it seem like you keep brining up his track record instead of what he did.

quoting what I said from ganner's thread

Quote from: Jack1 on July 03, 2014, 08:04:59 am



That is the very definition of suicide leeching. Running at the enemy with no intent on fighting. Case closed, offense admitted in ban thread, appeal denied.

The thing about this ban is that it was not overturned into an unban. Unbans are ment for people who were banned and would like to make a case for themselves to the admins as to why they were unbanned. In the unban thread there were multiple people who said that they had seen him swinging and attempting to do damage to the other team. At the end of the thread (when it was locked) the above quote was posted and it was quite frustrating. Yes, the exact definition  of suicide leeching is running at the enemy with no intent of fighting, however, multiple people had said he had not done so and he nowhere in the quote you posted said he had no intention of swinging nor had given the hint. In the quote from allers that you posted he had said he had no intent on blocking.



Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 03, 2014, 05:14:19 pm
First of all: I do not like Allers one bit, so I am not complaining cause we are best buds and stuff.
His ban history is quite immense so a major offence would definitely justify a perm ban.

Anyway, a quick recap: So Allers got banned for spawning with a weapon, running towards the enemy swinging his weapon at them and occasionally getting a kill, but also dying fairly quickly since he did not block, right?

So ban all the fuckers using rondel daggers and no armour/peasant armour already! They are not blocking and dying instantly when facing an enemy! But wait, they can't even block so they are not suiciding, thus they don't deserve a punishment.

Seriously what the fuck? So if Allers would have used a rondel he would be off the hook because he could not have blocked anyway?

If you would play a bit more you would see rondel my old friends dying in the beginning of the round on the daily. Yet they all happily run to their deaths while getting exp and gold shoved up their asses.


Allers was nothing but a pain for you, so you desperately tried to find a reason to get rid of him. Fair enough, but at least admit it and stop trying to justify the permban with bullshit reasons.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Overdriven on July 03, 2014, 06:05:34 pm
Ban is dumb.

I spend most of my lower levels as a peasant on various chars sprinting round the edge of the map sight seeing, avoiding conflict and charging in when theres only a few players left. By this standard I should have been banned long ago.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 03, 2014, 06:10:49 pm
Quote from: Overdriven on July 03, 2014, 06:05:34 pm
Ban is dumb.

I spend most of my lower levels as a peasant on various chars sprinting round the edge of the map sight seeing, avoiding conflict and charging in when theres only a few players left. By this standard I should have been banned long ago.

You have just spoken for estimatedly 75% of this community. The other 25% just charged in dying instantly.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 03, 2014, 06:15:59 pm
Quote from: Overdriven on July 03, 2014, 06:05:34 pm
Ban is dumb.

I spend most of my lower levels as a peasant on various chars sprinting round the edge of the map sight seeing, avoiding conflict and charging in when theres only a few players left. By this standard I should have been banned long ago.

Now that the precedence is set, it is a  perma ban.  But fret not, I will stand up for you also, but our voices will not be heard.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Canary on July 03, 2014, 06:51:08 pm
Quote from: Jack1 on July 03, 2014, 05:08:19 pm
you're still not answering the questions of half the community:

1. if allers gets banned for this why has half the community not been warned/banned for running in, swinging, then dyeing without blocking once?

2. Why does it seem like you keep brining up his track record instead of what he did.

I think the contention here is over whether or not playing recklessly is okay. It is. What allers specifically said about it was that he was "choosing to die by them hitting me" and "I don't feel like trying", which indicates he wasn't really making an attempt to actually play the game, even if he was at his keyboard and moving around. There's a difference between playing recklessly, playing with low quality gear, and not attempting to try.

People are making a very big issue about his being banned "only because of" his track record. That might be halfway true: Another player may have only received a warning for doing the same thing, or a shorter duration ban.

Quote from: Jack1 on July 03, 2014, 08:04:59 am
The thing about this ban is that it was not overturned into an unban. Unbans are ment for people who were banned and would like to make a case for themselves to the admins as to why they were unbanned. In the unban thread there were multiple people who said that they had seen him swinging and attempting to do damage to the other team. At the end of the thread (when it was locked) the above quote was posted and it was quite frustrating. Yes, the exact definition  of suicide leeching is running at the enemy with no intent of fighting, however, multiple people had said he had not done so and he nowhere in the quote you posted said he had no intention of swinging nor had given the hint. In the quote from allers that you posted he had said he had no intent on blocking.

Much of what he said in the unban request didn't dispel the notions he'd put forth in the post he made in the initial ban thread. Of the other people who spoke up, yours was, in fact, the only testimony in the unban thread that specified that you were present during the actual incident in question (and not "when he does this kind of thing" or something equally as specious).

Quote from: kooktar on July 03, 2014, 06:15:59 pm
Now that the precedence is set, it is a  perma ban.  But fret not, I will stand up for you also, but our voices will not be heard.

Taking it out of proportion. If you aren't a multiple offender you won't be permanent banned for anything short of autoblocking or another major exploit.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 03, 2014, 06:54:37 pm
Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 04:22:44 pm
Better to try and share my perspective than to say nothing and leave people hanging.

You might as well ask "why ban anyone in the first place?" If someone gets punished multiple times, especially if it's for the same thing, and punishment doesn't escalate (or, theoretically, isn't issued in the first place) then we're essentially allowing someone we know is going to break the rules continue to do so unhindered. It's not a flawless system, of course, because of oversights and kicks and warnings not being recorded. Ban history is primarily taken into account when considering the duration of a punishment. Conversely, if whatever "crime" is very grievous, a long ban may be given to a first time offender. Similarly, if someone is doing something that isn't okay but is relatively mild and doesn't normally net anyone a ban they may only be given a warning (or mute or kick) even if they do have a history of bans (with exceptions: see below).

In the case of allers, it was concluded that he broke the rule he was accused of breaking. His ban history came to bear on the permanence of his ban, since he's had multiple accounts permbanned already and has already received an essay ban - after an incident where one of his accounts was permbanned for exploiting QML on an empty server. After all of this, a smaller punishment could not have been considered with respect to the way permbans are handled. It wouldn't have been fair to the other people who have received permanent bans.
quit dodging questions and answer jack
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: LordBerenger on July 03, 2014, 06:55:13 pm
Quote from: Mae. on June 27, 2014, 07:28:28 pm
pretty sure you can only get banned for suicide leeching or no weapon.. he said he didnt feel like blocking and any admin that doesnt like him hopped all over that. if the admin(s) that banned him played enough they'd know blocking really IS over rated and footwork prevails over that shit any day. banned for not being a brown nosing fa ggot, gf allers i see you..

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on July 03, 2014, 07:02:10 pm
Canary come on, are you implying that theres anyone in this community who hasnt roughly done what Allers did while levelling up? Level 10 people do that shit day in and day out. It's a fucking video game there was no victim to his crime.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Mae. on July 03, 2014, 07:05:11 pm
its a sign of the OPPRESSED
#freeallerssummer14
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: LordBerenger on July 03, 2014, 07:08:14 pm
Quote from: Mae. on July 03, 2014, 07:05:11 pm
its a sign of the OPPRESSED
#freeallerssummer14

Come and play Maeday 2 instead
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 03, 2014, 07:32:16 pm
Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 06:51:08 pm
What allers specifically said about it was that he was "choosing to die by them hitting me" and "I don't feel like trying", which indicates he wasn't really making an attempt to actually play the game, even if he was at his keyboard and moving around. There's a difference between playing recklessly, playing with low quality gear, and not attempting to try.

I don't see how you can sit there, with a straight internet face, and publicly say this as an official response for the NA Admin team. What a fucking joke. So on the hearsay of a ban thread author, and the free willed, innocent, unsuspected self incrimination testimony of the accused, allers was permanently banned from the community for 'not trying' whilst owning a fraudulent ridden, broken-ass-system tracking, biased 'ban history'.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on July 03, 2014, 07:36:48 pm
excuse me brothers can we please all downvote canary here
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on July 03, 2014, 07:37:48 pm
free allers

sweet jesus its at the top of the page
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: SerButts on July 03, 2014, 07:47:15 pm
this is a cool thread
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 03, 2014, 07:51:17 pm
Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 06:51:08 pm
I think the contention here is over whether or not playing recklessly is okay. It is. What allers specifically said about it was that he was "choosing to die by them hitting me" and "I don't feel like trying", which indicates he wasn't really making an attempt to actually play the game, even if he was at his keyboard and moving around. There's a difference between playing recklessly, playing with low quality gear, and not attempting to try.

I understand that he was not playing the game as you think it should be played, but still, there are plenty of people whom suicide and alt tab to something else. Internet explorer is almost proud of the fact that it is all he does.

Allers was banned for "suicide leeching" and as ganner posted the description in the unban thread:

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That is the very definition of suicide leeching. Running at the enemy with no intent on fighting.

by that description as long as you swing you are OK. I also understand that that it can still be thought of as suicide leeching if you just swing and die, but, he was not just swinging recklessly, he was aiming for his enemies. He was attemting to try, just not hard enough to appease winstona.

Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 06:51:08 pm
People are making a very big issue about his being banned "only because of" his track record. That might be halfway true: Another player may have only received a warning for doing the same thing, or a shorter duration ban.

If you look at the attitude posted in my quote from eyebeat it sounded as if the admin team didn't even want to give him a fair trial because of his track record.

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Allers has been given more chances than anyone.  Seriously doubt this will get over turned. 

Quote from: Canary on July 03, 2014, 06:51:08 pm
Much of what he said in the unban request didn't dispel the notions he'd put forth in the post he made in the initial ban thread. Of the other people who spoke up, yours was, in fact, the only testimony in the unban thread that specified that you were present during the actual incident in question (and not "when he does this kind of thing" or something equally as specious).

quotes from other people in the thread stating they witnessed allers playing:
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 03, 2014, 09:22:12 pm
If Allers was "not trying", there has NEVER been a rule that you have to try your hardest, as long as he was actually swinging his weapon there should be no reason he was banned.  What sort of autistic game is this now, where every time you have to play you need to go drink 6cans of MTN Dew and take your adderall to get INTO THE ZONE so you don't accidently play worse than usual and get banned, I can see it now, next time I log online-

WHATS THIS BADPLAYER? UR KDR IS ONLY 2:1 THIS MAP...

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LOOKS LIKE YOU NEED TO BE BANNED FOR NOT TRYING
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on July 03, 2014, 09:34:05 pm
This thread is like some satire on why you should never talk to police, since anything you say can and will be used against you.

Allers gave a shit enough to actually post on a videogame forum trying to defend himself from accusations of leeching, and the end result was "NA Official Admins" cherry picking his quotes to crucify him with them as "damning evidence" because he isn't some Spergalese Internet Lawyer who knows how to make unincriminating posts.

Also the absurdity of the justification being a players Percieved State of Mind while playing. That his indifference to speed or means of death was grounds to ban. By that definition, someone who runs away forever from all enemies while thinking "I'll win somehow" is playing the game as intended. But that player is clearly not contributing.

Leeching is not contributing by rule definition here. Allers inflicted damage on enemy players, weaking them up and probably getting kills, while wearing peasant crap that is a low weight in the Auto Balance algorithm. So if anything he was, most likely, contributing far more to his team by landing several hits per round, then most of his teammates, who are all weighted according to webpage KD and gear rating for auto balancing.

His actions were contributing, even if he felt like he wasn't. Even if he said he wasn't, rules of in-game behavior are based on the actions of players, not their posts on the forums.

So if you want to view this issue, with no personality, bias, or presumptions, merely as an Autistic Rule Definer/Enforcer, Allers was, by all measures, contributing to his team. Thus, all statements made by Allers under threat of permaban internet duress, are inadmissible as evidence, and the ban by reason of "leeching" should be removed immediately.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 03, 2014, 09:36:10 pm
Quote from: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on July 03, 2014, 07:02:10 pm
Canary come on, are you implying that theres anyone in this community who hasnt roughly done what Allers did while levelling up? Level 10 people do that shit day in and day out. It's a fucking video game there was no victim to his crime.

Auto-balance can't compensate for leechers. This is NOT a victimless crime.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: SugarHoe on July 03, 2014, 09:37:35 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 03, 2014, 09:36:10 pm
Auto-balance can't compensate for leechers. This is NOT a victimless crime.
please start cutting
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 03, 2014, 09:38:15 pm
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 03, 2014, 09:34:05 pm
This thread is like some satire on why you should never talk to police, since anything you say can and will be used against you.

Allers gave a shit enough to actually post on a videogame forum trying to defend himself from accusations of leeching, and the end result was "NA Official Admins" cherry picking his quotes to crucify him with them as "damning evidence" because he isn't some Spergalese Internet Lawyer who knows how to make unincriminating posts.

Also the absurdity of the justification being a players Percieved State of Mind while playing. That his indifference to speed or means of death was grounds to ban. By that definition, someone who runs away forever from all enemies while thinking "I'll win somehow" is playing the game as intended. But that player is clearly not contributing.

Leeching is not contributing by rule definition here. Allers inflicted damage on enemy players, weaking them up and probably getting kills, while wearing peasant crap that is a low weight in the Auto Balance algorithm. So if anything he was, most likely, contributing far more to his team by landing several hits per round, then most of his teammates, who are all weighted according to webpage KD and gear rating for auto balancing.

His actions were contributing, even if he felt like he wasn't. Even if he said he wasn't, rules of in-game behavior are based on the actions of players, not their posts on the forums.

So if you want to view this issue, with no personality, bias, or presumptions, merely as an Autistic Rule Definer/Enforcer, Allers was, by all measures, contributing to his team. Thus, all statements made by Allers under threat of permaban internet duress, are inadmissible as evidence, and the ban by reason of "leeching" should be removed immediately.

I really, really enjoy the use of capitalization of certain words to make it seem like a transcendent sort of proper noun, almost a religious tenant or something. It's the best thing ever and I wish I could use that in real life.

Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 03, 2014, 09:36:10 pm
Auto-balance can't compensate for leechers. This is NOT a victimless crime.

I've been told by people more knowledgeable than myself that autobalance works upon the score of the previous map, or the first round. Maybe they're wrong, but at that point, the autobalance WOULD take into account someone running in and getting 4-5 points each round by being braver than everyone else.

Also, lol@implying that autobalance takes anything into account besides banners ajajajajajajajajajaja
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 03, 2014, 09:49:22 pm
This is a good time to mention Spookisland also got permabanned for pretty much no reason. The corruption of admins has been happening for a long time, remember the names, Allers, Spookisland, FF_Georgewashington, a_bear_irl. Though their bodies are broken, their spirit lives on within us.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on July 03, 2014, 09:57:01 pm
Quote from: imisshotmail on July 03, 2014, 09:49:22 pm
This is a good time to mention Spookisland also got permabanned for pretty much no reason. The corruption of admins has been happening for a long time, remember the names, Allers, Spookisland, FF_Georgewashington, a_bear_irl. Though their bodies are broken, their spirit lives on within us.

What's funny is I endlessly argued with brick walls to not permaban Spook or George Washington because its a slippery slope to kill the community, and they didn't even do shit wrong except troll the chat. It makes the mod look uninviting and awful to casual players, and its just a total dick move to any long time player with lots of looms and levels unless they were hacking or autoblocking or whatever.

I tried coaching Spook before his unban essay to get him back on the servers and while he appreciated my advice, said he would "do it his own way" and promptly wrote an essay on How to Go Fuck Oneself for the rest of the admins to read and follow, and ofc stayed banned.

Admins somewhere along the line got obsessed with the Power of Permabans, the most corruptible of internet forces. And what might do we have, to contend with such unjust, vile strength? For here on the official servers, we have been rendered powerless.

"It's better to burn out, than 2 fade away.." - Spook Island 2011-2013
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on July 03, 2014, 10:11:22 pm
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on July 03, 2014, 09:38:15 pm
ajajajajajajajajajaja

Please don't......this makes me think of my hardships in Dota of being American in a US East server full of this.....
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 03, 2014, 10:34:04 pm
Quote from: Anders
When were these taken? Between 10-11 PM EST I was on siege wit him and he was doing damn good.(125-45 on siege)

Course this was a full 5 round conquest and I only played 2 rounds.

He uses leather armor etc, a cheap round shield(cav shield I believe) and some spammy fucking stab 1h.

I said it in the thread, I'll say it again now.  Allers was playing very hard during this. Also, when the thread was put up, I was with allers at that moment in siege, and he was roflstomping everyone.(which is when the "SSes" were taken according to the original poster)

If said ban thread was correct then he should have been "leeching" at that point in time. He wasn't and before hand, my clan mate was complaining about how good he was(not knowing it was allers) and he was kicking ass  on siege.

If you're going to use somebodies evidence, why disregard someone who actually was a witness? Guess only taking the witness when it's beneficial eh?

Anyways, that's all I'll say on the matter, hopefully.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on July 03, 2014, 10:41:51 pm
Quote from: Lt_Anders on July 03, 2014, 10:34:04 pm
I said it in the thread, I'll say it again now.  Allers was playing very hard during this. Also, when the thread was put up, I was with allers at that moment in siege, and he was roflstomping everyone.(which is when the "SSes" were taken according to the original poster)

If said ban thread was correct then he should have been "leeching" at that point in time. He wasn't and before hand, my clan mate was complaining about how good he was(not knowing it was allers) and he was kicking ass  on siege.

If you're going to use somebodies evidence, why disregard someone who actually was a witness? Guess only taking the witness when it's beneficial eh?

Anyways, that's all I'll say on the matter, hopefully.

Ok well this thread has reached Peak Sperg and is now imploding in on itself. Anders, the Ban Request King has now posted eyewitness testimony AGAINST a ban request forum troll, asserting the defendant's innocence.

What say you, Canary?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Canary on July 04, 2014, 12:54:26 am
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on June 15, 2014, 10:35:45 am
3. NA_1, 1:20PM on 6/14, and 1:00AM on 6/15, PDT

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 04, 2014, 01:17:38 am
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on July 04, 2014, 01:22:35 am
4 AM EST
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 04, 2014, 11:32:38 pm
Quote from: imisshotmail on July 03, 2014, 09:49:22 pm
This is a good time to mention Spookisland also got permabanned for pretty much no reason. The corruption of admins has been happening for a long time, remember the names, Allers, Spookisland, FF_Georgewashington, a_bear_irl. Though their bodies are broken, their spirit lives on within us.
bear just needs to write an essay but he's a lazy fuck so yeah.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 04, 2014, 11:37:14 pm
Well canary. I honestly thought that the NA admins were doing a good job on every occasion up until now. Allers has been banned permanently in a community were 2/3 of the people think the should not be banned and 1/3 thinks he should while apparently "almost all of the admins agreed" that he should be banned. This is not exactly what I would call doing something without bias. When everybody making the decisions either have no backbone to speak out or has the same thought it is going to be just like fox news.

I also thought that you were doing a good job in handling the case of Allers in terms of after the unban thread up until now. It does not help the situation to suddenly become silent in the middle of a discussion.

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on July 04, 2014, 11:49:06 pm
Some of the logs were looked through. It might not hurt to post it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Chosen1 on July 05, 2014, 01:51:53 am
remove all chaos

we revolution now

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on July 05, 2014, 01:55:08 am
A simple grep on stratigos for June June 14-19 on 'Stratigos'. Lines that were manually added are in bold. Edited to include Winstona's reports and June 16-18

First name is the person that was killed. Trying or not, this amount of grinding looks like torture to me.

Edit: June 17th was a copy of 16 by mistake. Took out bolds since I didn't want to emphasize those that much.

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Thryn on July 05, 2014, 02:35:59 am
Looks like 400+ deaths xD

I can't play that much
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Noodlenrice on July 05, 2014, 02:42:08 am
All that gives us is a mad Winstona Churchill and a player that has no life and dies a lot.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 05, 2014, 03:14:16 am
Those several kills he gets with the wooden stick are all the proof that is required that he was not auto-running nor suicide leeching. He swung his weapon, attempted to chamber people, while running into the enemy blob before his team was present. That isn't against the rules. Simply because he's an expert player and could style on 95 percent of the population of the server with gear does not obligate him to do so.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 05, 2014, 03:43:52 am
Quote from: Noodlenrice on July 05, 2014, 02:42:08 am
All that gives us is a mad Winstona Churchill and a player that has no life and dies a lot.

and concrete evidence as to him clearly not participating for 6 hours straight, then doing it again repeatedly for hours over the span of several days.

Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on July 05, 2014, 03:14:16 am
Those several kills he gets with the wooden stick are all the proof that is required that he was not auto-running nor suicide leeching. He swung his weapon, attempted to chamber people, while running into the enemy blob before his team was present. That isn't against the rules. Simply because he's an expert player and could style on 95 percent of the population of the server with gear does not obligate him to do so.

..........really, what a defense, please unban him, justice wasnt appropriately served...........so he fucked off and leeched for 6 hours(not to mention several days) straight at one point, then within 10 seconds he kills a few players, and is considered to have been actively participating for the past 6 hours?  fuck off, nope.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Bronto on July 05, 2014, 03:48:37 am
Holy shit! This thread is still going!?!?! Go blow shit up it's the 4th of July goddammit!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 05, 2014, 04:00:04 am
He did get kills sometimes. There are even a few rounds where he gets multiple kills. That doesn't mean that all those consecutive rounds with no kills are not suicide/leeching. Look at how many times he died to falling damage.

Whether or not you think he should be permabanned, that wall of evidence is pretty damning.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on July 05, 2014, 06:32:24 am
Wow cool, but what's the point of keeping the ban on if IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN???? Like literally you guys have taken the purpose of ban/kick out of what it was originally meant for--to make people learn their lesson and not do it again...
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on July 05, 2014, 06:41:40 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 05, 2014, 04:00:04 am
He did get kills sometimes. There are even a few rounds where he gets multiple kills. That doesn't mean that all those consecutive rounds with no kills are not suicide/leeching. Look at how many times he died to falling damage.

Whether or not you think he should be permabanned, that wall of evidence is pretty damning.

I think what most (all?) admins here don't get is that no one gives a shit about someone running in wearing peasant gear and dying most rounds if they need XP or gold. Its what people do every day all day in different guises of "gimmicks" or whatever because the game is based around grinding and upkeep and shit. Any bickering we are doing over rules and specifics is just trying to appeal to some sense of autistic literal interpretation of your videogame realities and Duty of Adminning. We all just think you people are dicks for permabanning someone for something that isn't hacking or autoblocking or something like that and don't want to see players of our small shit mod community get booted out because the current Admin Culture is on some pointless, worthless crusade that no one except the most petty care about.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Shik on July 05, 2014, 07:34:36 am
I think that it's fairly obvious that there's nothing allers did that should be considered worthy of a permanent ban. Anyone who'd permanently ban someone for not tryharding is actually completely autismal in their dislike of harmless fun. "B-b-b-but my multi!!!~~~~" It's clear to me that the excuse about a long ban history is really nothing more than a personal vendetta against allers and that the ban request by known troll Winstona Churchill just served as a convenient excuse. From my experience as former head admin, I've known first hand that admins are often too scared to stick up against the majority for fear of losing their coveted positions of e-power. I think it's abundantly clear that this ban is a moral outrage, and that the only way to prevent abuse like this again is democratically elected admins who serve on behalf of the community, not just their power-tripped egos.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jacko on July 05, 2014, 12:00:25 pm
Quote from: Shik on July 05, 2014, 07:34:36 am
I think it's abundantly clear that this ban is a moral outrage, and that the only way to prevent abuse like this again is democratically elected admins who serve on behalf of the community, not just their power-tripped egos.

 :lol:

Admin is earned through trust, not by a popularity vote. The consequences of voting in new admins would be farcical. Are ban decisions to be made by a popularity vote as well? What is this, death by bureaucracy?

Repeat offenders will be perma-banned. That's why it was implemented, to stop them wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 05, 2014, 12:23:57 pm
In Europe they might do things like fascists but we in America have a little something called "Democracy", maybe you've heard of it. The Current Admin system is a joke, what more evidence do you need than the former NA Head Admin agreeing?



NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
WE WANT OUR RIGHTS TO VOTE
NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION



Death to Admins and their European lapdogs,
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jacko on July 05, 2014, 12:59:20 pm
Clearly you and Russia can show us petty Europeans how to do this Democracy thing: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/

You have plenty of representation, just not the one YOU particularly want.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 05, 2014, 01:15:42 pm
Quote from: imisshotmail on July 05, 2014, 12:23:57 pm
In Europe they might do things like fascists but we in America have a little something called "Democracy", maybe you've heard of it. The Current Admin system is a joke, what more evidence do you need than the former NA Head Admin agreeing?



NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
WE WANT OUR RIGHTS TO VOTE
NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION



Death to Admins and their European lapdogs,

If the US was a democracy you wouldn't have an electoral college.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 05, 2014, 01:18:19 pm
If voting could change things it would be forbidden.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on July 05, 2014, 04:28:59 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 05, 2014, 01:15:42 pm
If the US was a democracy you wouldn't have an electoral college.

What the fuck is an electric college???
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: a_bear_irl on July 05, 2014, 05:11:36 pm
truly the shit adminnery on crpg has reached new heights with this ban, previously the admins were merely mad nerds but now they seem to be actively malicious, permabanning a long term player for "not trying" is disgraceful. plus allers was probably doing better than most of the admins even when he wasn't trying.

really though this mad nerdery comes from the very top, CMP (who has globally permabanned me for a game of thrones spoiler)(also noted for ruining a game he doesnt play with stupid balance changes). with someone like this in charge it's easy to see why the admins are the way they are.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: a_bear_irl on July 05, 2014, 05:31:11 pm
Quote from: Goretooth on July 04, 2014, 11:32:38 pm
bear just needs to write an essay but he's a lazy fuck so yeah.

nah cmps mad as fuck for some reason, he's never gonna unban me. the essay he told me to write was like 10,000 words on european communism or some shit
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Chosen1 on July 05, 2014, 08:51:45 pm
well maybe you shouldn't have spoiled game of thrones then ya dingus
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on July 05, 2014, 08:59:31 pm
Quote from: a_bear_irl on July 05, 2014, 05:31:11 pm
nah cmps mad as fuck for some reason, he's never gonna unban me. the essay he told me to write was like 10,000 words on european communism or some shit

You ruined the season finale for me. :[
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Macropus on July 05, 2014, 09:53:58 pm
Omg, this thread. Omg.
Omg...

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Westgate on July 05, 2014, 10:22:30 pm
Quote from: Macropus on July 05, 2014, 09:53:58 pm
Also, lol at the arguments like
"Wtfomg, Allers got banned for not trying, so we all can be banned for that? Injustice!"
- Lol no you fucking can't, unless you've got permabanned once or twice before that.
I think their reasoning behind it is this. Why is a non-bannable offense for some, a perma-bannable offense for others. I know Allers's ban history is long, but he should have only been perma-banned if he broke a rule that was bannable. Let's be honest here, there are several Chinese players that run in and die almost every round, never block, and very rarely attempt to attack. But none of them have even been warned from what I have seen, and they do this when admins are on the server.

Should he of been punished in some way, maybe, but so should everyone else who leeches or doesn't block. Should he of been perma-banned? In my opinion, no. But I also feel that all reason has been lost in this thread, and no matter what is said, nothing will change. Ganner has stopped responding to this thread, and he made it clear he wasn't going to unban. And all of the admins made it feel like Allers should be perma banned, except San who says he doesn't like perma bans. So no matter what the community says, I don't think anything will change.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Krex on July 05, 2014, 11:03:00 pm
NA drama=best drama sorry Christo ;)

But seriously,whats the problem?You ALL seem to know he has/had multiple accounts,has multiple perma bans and is probably playing again...

Official server rules:


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Breaking a rule may net you a warning, mute, kick or ban at admin discretion depending on severity of rule broken and player history (yes, repeated offenders are treated more harshly). In minor offences you usually get a written warning first, in more severe cases you might get kicked or even banned immediately.

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If you ever get kicked, consider that a serious warning - you are obviously doing something wrong.
3 perm bans...If you dont call that serious,well...

Oh,last but not least,for all of you hating that admin who banned him:
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Admins are human too, so mistakes can happen. We are terribly sorry for not being perfect


Now,keep going,this is kinda funny



Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 12:30:54 am
Quote from: Namakan on July 05, 2014, 11:03:00 pm
NA drama=best drama sorry Christo ;)

But seriously,whats the problem?You ALL seem to know he has/had multiple accounts,has multiple perma bans and is probably playing again...

Official server rules:

3 perm bans...If you dont call that serious,well...

Oh,last but not least,for all of you hating that admin who banned him:

Now,keep going,this is kinda funny

Yeah. he's been permabanned in the past and probably does have at least one other CD-key that is unbanned.

The problem is that many people, including myself, feel he did not break the letter of the rules, yet was still banned. If he were permabanned for blatantly teamkilling intentionally, that would be different. Same as afk-leeching repeatedly. Same as any other rule that he could have broken.

However, I do not feel that he broke a rule, yet he was banned due to his history.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Krex on July 06, 2014, 12:34:54 am
He has many bans,too many,and he is still breaking the rules.I think he deserves it,and If he buys a new key anyways....who even cares?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 06, 2014, 12:35:37 am
For those of whom do not understand the situation I'll explain.

1.Allers was banned

2. There was an unban thread were admins said "he has allready been warned so much, I doubt this will be overturned" giving the hint that he was being banned because of his record and not because he deserved it(the same type of remark has been posted by other admins aswell).

3. The ban thread was locked and ganner stated that he was banned for auiide leeching.

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Running at the enemy with no intent on fighting.

While saying nothing about the five or six people(two shown on the scoreboards being present at the exact time) being completely ignored in saying that they saw him swinging and fighting.

4. Admins inability to respond to the community with answers that fully answer the questions being asked.

5. Canary posting in this thread oblivious of what some of the people posted or just ignoring what they posted in the thread.


Lastly



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Admins are human too, so mistakes can happen. We are terribly sorry for not being perfect

So why can't they correct their mistake instead of leaving allers banned for days?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 12:36:33 am
Quote from: Namakan on July 06, 2014, 12:34:54 am
He has many bans,too many,and he is still breaking the rules.I think he deserves it,and If he buys a new key anyways....who even cares?

He did not break any rules. Of course it's a matter of opinion, but more people seem to feel that he is innocent than guilty.

I don't see how I can make it clearer that he did not break any rules. Should he have been IP-range banned or something for his previous bans? Maybe he should have. Since that step was not taken, should he be banned for an offense that he did not commit? No, he should not.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 06, 2014, 12:38:47 am
Quote from: Namakan on July 06, 2014, 12:34:54 am
I think he deserves it

Why is that?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Krex on July 06, 2014, 12:41:24 am
He kinda admitted that he wasnt playing as he could and that he doesnt want to do so,which,in my opinion,is leeching.
So yeah,its a matter of opinion,but I still dont understand why you guys have to make it an 18-pages long discussion about it and not take it to his feedback page.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 12:44:06 am
Quote from: Namakan on July 06, 2014, 12:41:24 am
He kinda admitted that he wasnt playing as he could and that he doesnt want to do so,which,in my opinion,is leeching.
So yeah,its a matter of opinion,but I still dont understand why you guys have to make it an 18-pages long discussion about it and not take it to his feedback page.

It's been taken to the banning admin's feedback page, but it has been said that the decision was due to a discussion held by all NA admins.

So, in your opinion, not trying to play the game to the very best of your abilities is leeching? That is ludicrous. Sometimes people want to use silly builds, bad equipment, or just plain not try. Sometimes people are studying for exams but can't withstand the call of XP, so they'll play like an idiot and alt-tab to study. Sometimes other shit happens and you just don't want to try.

I find it mind-boggling that someone can view "not trying your best" as leeching.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Krex on July 06, 2014, 01:01:57 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 12:44:06 am
It's been taken to the banning admin's feedback page, but it has been said that the decision was due to a discussion held by all NA admins.

So, in your opinion, not trying to play the game to the very best of your abilities is leeching? That is ludicrous. Sometimes people want to use silly builds, bad equipment, or just plain not try. Sometimes people are studying for exams but can't withstand the call of XP, so they'll play like an idiot and alt-tab to study. Sometimes other shit happens and you just don't want to try.

I find it mind-boggling that someone can view "not trying your best" as leeching.

Sometimes.Not all the time.
Also,not even trying to block doesnt contribute to the team at all.I never said that everyone always has to be a tryhard,but hell....pressing the right mouse button shouldnet be that hardas long as you arent ivani4

Now,If you are that good at discussing,stop discussing with me,Im ot an admin,not even an NA-player....
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 06, 2014, 01:04:57 am
There is an EU player, Ivani4 whom I think you are all familiar with. He doesn't block, that's his style, he runs in with maxed out strength and spams without blocking.
The funny thing is, people adore him for it and find it hilarious even though it is exactly the same thing as what Allers got banned for.  Really puts into perspective the level of bias that goes into Admin decisions in this mod.




NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Krex on July 06, 2014, 01:20:08 am
Quote from: imisshotmail on July 06, 2014, 01:04:57 am
There is an EU player, Ivani4 whom I think you are all familiar with. He doesn't block, that's his style, he runs in with maxed out strength and spams without blocking.
The funny thing is, people adore him for it and find it hilarious even though it is exactly the same thing as what Allers got banned for.  Really puts into perspective the level of bias that goes into Admin decisions in this mod.




NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
Yeah,but TBH,I think ivani is doing the best he can.

Also,your new slogan,
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NO ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION   
,ever thought about that an admin has to be independent?And most people that will profit of your idea are in big clans,so they wont really be...
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 06, 2014, 02:20:03 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 12:44:06 am
Sometimes people are studying for exams but can't withstand the call of XP, so they'll play like an idiot and alt-tab to study.

"I should be excused from the server rules because I am making bad decisions IRL"

okay
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 02:28:26 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 06, 2014, 02:20:03 am
"I should be excused from the server rules because I am making bad decisions IRL"

okay

That's not what I said, m8. Sometimes people don't want to try their absolute hardest for whatever reason, and they should be able to do that.

If you want to charge in like a nutty motherfucker like James does nearly every round and swing, you should. If you want to do that while wearing peasant gear and a stick, you should be able to as well; and it is not against the rules to do so as far as I understand.

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I'm not saying that anything can excuse auto-running in and leeching china-man style; I was only trying to illustrate a potential reason why someone would decide not to try their hardest. Of course, excluding NOT being a gigantic sperg, which is rare and disgusting.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 06, 2014, 02:40:37 am
yeah i know i was just making a joke

it's not funny though because people actually do that
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 02:43:39 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 06, 2014, 02:40:37 am
yeah i know i was just making a joke

it's not funny though because people actually do that

help help where is my text-to-sarcasm detector i lost it
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 06, 2014, 02:47:52 am
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Westgate on July 06, 2014, 05:29:45 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 02:43:39 am
help help where is my text-to-sarcasm detector i lost it
Maybe it's with your shield?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 06, 2014, 05:31:31 am
Quote from: a_bear_irl on July 05, 2014, 05:31:11 pm
nah cmps mad as fuck for some reason, he's never gonna unban me. the essay he told me to write was like 10,000 words on european communism or some shit
40,000 so what you doing posting here? you got some work to do  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on July 06, 2014, 06:23:20 am
Quote from: Thryn on July 06, 2014, 02:59:19 am
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on July 07, 2014, 03:37:35 am
You guys are starting to be offensive...
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 07, 2014, 03:37:53 am
Quote from: Miley on July 07, 2014, 03:37:35 am
You guys are starting to be offensive...

lol
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: cup457 on July 07, 2014, 03:46:26 am
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:53:52 am
Quote from: Namakan on July 06, 2014, 12:34:54 am
He has many bans,too many,and he is still breaking the rules.I think he deserves it,and If he buys a new key anyways....who even cares?

Everyone knows this.

The people that are still making huge effort posts against this ban(you know who they are) that will not be over turned are in it for a different agenda.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Macropus on July 07, 2014, 07:58:29 am
Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 12:30:54 am
Yeah. he's been permabanned in the past and probably does have at least one other CD-key that is unbanned.

The problem is that many people, including myself, feel he did not break the letter of the rules, yet was still banned. If he were permabanned for blatantly teamkilling intentionally, that would be different. Same as afk-leeching repeatedly. Same as any other rule that he could have broken.

However, I do not feel that he broke a rule, yet he was banned due to his history.
It is a good point.
Although I still feel like, at least in this dev/admins community, this is normal. Remember Panos who was banned for saying "Shut your whore mouth" on forum? Technically, he didn't break any rule either.
I'm not saying Allers should be wronged just because we had Panos being wronged in the past, no. But that might be just how thin the ice is when you were permabanned before?
Besides, I can't feel any sympathy to a guy who is such an asshole that he got perma'd few times so I know it's not democratic™ thing to say, but I personally don't care if he should've been banned indeed or not.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 07, 2014, 11:57:51 am
I don't think it's a conspiracy, it's just the same tryhard trolls who love shitting up forums and the game for "lulz". Of course in their eyes Allers did nothing wrong, because they're cut from the same cloth, annoying retards who equate fun with trolling. But in this instance they're mainly like little kids who got too much sugar and can't wait to post "hilarious" walls of text. No one is under any delusion that's it's for anything but "lulz" or that it will accomplish anything, especially the ones posting them.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 07, 2014, 12:07:56 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on July 07, 2014, 11:57:51 am
I don't think it's a conspiracy, it's just the same tryhard trolls who love shitting up forums and the game for "lulz". Of course in their eyes Allers did nothing wrong, because they're cut from the same cloth, annoying retards who equate fun with trolling. But in this instance they're mainly like little kids who got too much sugar and can't wait to post "hilarious" walls of text. No one is under any delusion that's it's for anything but "lulz" or that it will accomplish anything, especially the ones posting them.

10/10 please analyze again
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 07, 2014, 12:39:31 pm
Btw, who is Alles?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 07, 2014, 12:47:14 pm
I remember Allers even from back when there were no NA servers, just one EU battle server. He's always been a shit troll. A good player maybe, but if he gets bored or distracted, probably cause of raging ADD, he instantly turned into a shit troll. Given the number of times he's gotten banned and permabanned, he's apparently unfixable. What's laughable is idiots demanding admins should give him some slack. He doesn't deserve any leeway, hasn't since the first time he got permabanned. I bet you not one of those awful evil leeching foreigners have the rap sheet Allers has. He apparently doesn't give a shit, anyways. Let him buy a new key and inevitably get permabanned again.













 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 07, 2014, 12:50:30 pm
Isnt it obvious oberyn that they are jumping the cool kid bandwagon. :P

Mindless sheep!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 07, 2014, 01:04:28 pm
If you don't want to play the game, what the fuck are you doing in a server in the first place. Is there any other activity in a crpg server besides playing the godamn game? It's not a fucking chatroom or hangout. Want to mess around with friends, do it on a duel server, or find one of the deserted clan servers not connected to the database. The only other reason to go to a populated battle/siege/dtv server would be leeching or being a shit troll, i.e "having fun" according to a disturbing amount of NA crpg players.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Macropus on July 07, 2014, 03:02:07 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 01:16:50 pm
But maybe some day, an admin you insulted will take an exception to you and ban you on some bullshit technicality while ignoring others who break the rules.
Yeah sure, because absolutely everyone has got a permaban in the past, so evil admins can ban whoever they want for no reason! Terribru!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 07, 2014, 03:04:07 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:53:52 am
Everyone knows this.

The people that are still making huge effort posts against this ban(you know who they are) that will not be over turned are in it for a different agenda.

If a bullshit ban can happen to one person, it can happen to me. Thats my agenda. Ive been playing this game for years, check my forum post history, I have prolly ten posts, 9 im guessing from this thread.

Everyone in this thread is so biased, you either 'hate' or 'love' allers and thats what you're fighting for. The real fight is the fact that this fucking admin team has permanently banned a community member for NOT TRYING based on a BAN HISTORY that Canary even said was fucked and was a broken system. A BAN HISTORY doesn't track warnings or any other useful form of information. That being said people without BAN HISTORYS can fuck off and act like total douchebags in game with no reprocushions due to their lack of BAN HISTORY.

'Uh this player has no BAN HISTORY and is not a known troll, he'll get off with an untracked warning. DERP' - NA Admin

Bottom line is, apparently you all gathered up and discussed the issue, and turns out NOT TRYING with a BAN HISTORY is a permanently bannable offense. And to me, and 2/3rds the community is fucking laughable.

Go get lives, yinz guys are steering this game into the ground, fucking jag-offs.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Equal on July 07, 2014, 03:04:21 pm
This thread gave me cancer autism I'm gay an enlightened view of the delusion of the admins of this community.

Let's take a step back.

We're all playing a videogame. Why do people play videogames? In short, it isn't to try their hardest and mentally exhaust themselves. It's a time to relax and have some fun and unwind from a long day or whatever you nerds do.

It's blatant bullshit to call someone out on 'not trying' in a videogame. It's a game dude, that logic is fundamentally flawed.

If people actually think that in order to properly play a game you have to be actively trying you should reflect on your life, you're clearly taking a game, yes a GAME, way too seriously and have some priorities to sort out.

If I had to turn off my music, bust out the headset and microphone, hop in TS and coordinate with my clan/team every round talking strictly about the game, I wouldn't ever want to play this game again. Fortunately, nobody even does this. And using admin logic, I wouldn't be appealing to this new 'try as hard as you can, or be ban' because theoretically, I wouldn't have been playing 100% optimally. Where do you admins draw the line?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 07, 2014, 03:17:12 pm
I think you are all overreacting girls.

Why even give 1 fuck about some noname dude you know through a game  :lol: just archive him in trivial matters and move on
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 03:46:32 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 12:35:30 pm
If that were the case, Eyebeat here should have no credibility as a former goon and his retarded delusion that anyone who kills him is cheating.

Your side is the trolls, if I am using your logic.

Unfortunately I am not the only admin that is a goon.   :cry:

Either way back to the topic...

The logic is that Allers is and has always been a problem given his track record.  Then he admitted to what he was doing was against the rules which was Leeching in his ban thread.  He couldn't make our job any easier.

This has been communicated many times.  Understand it and get over it.

Ganner jumped on the grenade and issued the ban after some discussions in the admin section which most of the admins agreed upon. 

Quote from: Oberyn on July 07, 2014, 01:04:28 pm
It's not a fucking chatroom or hangout. Want to mess around with friends, do it on a duel server, or find one of the deserted clan servers not connected to the database. The only other reason to go to a populated battle/siege/dtv server would be leeching or being a shit troll, i.e "having fun" according to a disturbing amount of NA crpg players.

These are my thoughts exactly. 

It reminds me of games like Ultima Online or World of Warcraft where people just want to sit around the bank or auction house and talk/emote.  Unfortunately this game does not have somewhere you can do that on the battle servers.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 07, 2014, 03:54:32 pm
Which is why we need an RP server, with duel mechanics and group vs group duel mechanics!



Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 07, 2014, 04:52:13 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 03:46:32 pm


The logic is that Allers is and has always been a problem given his track record.  Then he admitted to what he was doing was against the rules which was Leeching in his ban thread.  He couldn't make our job any easier.

This has been communicated many times.  Understand it and get over it.


The thing is eyebeat, he said this exact quote:

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Not really leaching, I run into the battle with equipment i choose to die by them hitting me  I need money so i go with cheap gear and i dont feel like trying so i choose to not block? I dont feel like trying when im not well equipped and since I need money i need to go with cheap gear? That makes me leaching? Ask anyone else theyll say i atked them as well Youre just mad that you complain everytime I kill you and always say "mad" or "bad" when youre trash because I kill you in duels. You're just a mad nerd because I was insulting your clanmates 2 weeks ago Youre mad that I always top the scoreboards when I go in with my full gear and you struggle to stay just below the middle of the scoreboard

nowhere in there does he admit to the reason that he was banned. exact quote to "what he admitted to" from ganner:

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That is the very definition of suicide leeching. Running at the enemy with no intent on fighting.

if you could please inlighten me by bolding were he said "he had no intent on fighting" or anything pertaining to it, that would be much appreciated. Untill then I will keep saying and reminding you that the admins are bias. "almost all the admins agreed" that allers should be banned while well over half of the community disagrees.

The admin team has also not been able to silence us "trolls" because you have not been able to give a valid argument.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on July 07, 2014, 05:00:58 pm
Quote from: Jack1 on July 07, 2014, 04:52:13 pm
The thing is eyebeat, he said this exact quote:

nowhere in there does he admit to the reason that he was banned. exact quote to "what he admitted to" from ganner:

if you could please inlighten me by bolding were he said "he had no intent on fighting" or anything pertaining to it, that would be much appreciated. Untill then I will keep saying and reminding you that the admins are bias. "almost all the admins agreed" that allers should be banned while well over half of the community disagrees.

The admin team has also not been able to silence us "trolls" because you have not been able to give a valid argument.

Jack, you need to learn to read between the lines.

Here's what allers wrote:
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Not really leaching, I run into the battle with equipment i choose to die by them hitting me

Here's how you should have interpreted it:
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Not really leaching, I run into the battle with equipment i choose to die by them hitting me, because I'm leeching and too busy raping school children while planning the next 9/11

I can see how you had a hard time catching the subtleties.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 05:33:35 pm
Love how everyone can bitch about contributing as if that was the worst bannable offence. I'm not american, I don't know Allers, but, holy crap, some of you need some real priorities instead of petty claims that charging into enemies is not contributing to the team and ruins your fun. I die a lot and I th a lot, but, what do you know?, those that report me, about 70% of the time, are tryhards with the need to feed their e-gos. Exactly the same as those who head to the forums to request a ban against people like Vue (seriously, you people are a cancer).

 But ask yourselves... does it really piss you off so bad that it should add up to his past ban history and cause him to be off the mod til he gets a new key? If you want a super competitive set up get yourselves a new server up and cry about it there.
Others are not against people enjoying themselves.

Then again, I question your ability to come up with a real solution to the issue other than "he's better off banned for his previous actions". Let's hope none of you get into a position of power in the future.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 05:58:56 pm
Quote from: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 05:33:35 pm
Love how everyone can bitch about contributing as if that was the worst bannable offence. I'm not american, I don't know Allers, but, holy crap, some of you need some real priorities instead of petty claims that charging into enemies is not contributing to the team and ruins your fun. I die a lot and I th a lot, but, what do you know?, those that report me, about 70% of the time, are tryhards with the need to feed their e-gos. Exactly the same as those who head to the forums to request a ban against people like Vue (seriously, you people are a cancer).

 But ask yourselves... does it really piss you off so bad that it should add up to his past ban history and cause him to be off the mod til he gets a new key? If you want a super competitive set up get yourselves a new server up and cry about it there.
Others are not against people enjoying themselves.

Then again, I question your ability to come up with a real solution to the issue other than "he's better off banned for his previous actions". Let's hope none of you get into a position of power in the future.

you dont repeatedly die for 6 hours straight with peasant gear on 30 seconds into the round by charging into your enemy over the course of several days.  Do a little math there, please tell me how long one man can break the rules before its acceptable that he isnt just breaking the rules, but harming the entirety of the team and the community for hours on end.

If each round bogged out to a whopping 5 minutes, within an hour he had played 12 rounds, at one point in the logs it shows he had played for over 6 hours.  Are you telling me that in the course of over 6 hours, you participated in an approximate 72 rounds of crpg and you died within the first 30-60 seconds of the round, wearing peasant gear, and didnt kill a single person?  idk about you, but seems like a pretty daunting task for a skilled player as allers to "not try hard" and perform as poorly as that.  Even if he decided to play like shit, the fact that he auto ran into a crowd of enemy players from the start of the battle everytime paints a different story. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: chesterotab on July 07, 2014, 06:05:22 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:53:52 am
Everyone knows this.

The people that are still making huge effort posts against this ban(you know who they are) that will not be over turned are in it for a different agenda.

You could not be more wrong.

Allers does not deserve to be banned because he did not break any rules. I mean, going strictly by the rules, what Testi used to do almost every round was more akin to leaching than what Allers did, allers was not bro coding or delaying. If lovable Testi (god rest his soul) had a long ban history along with the ire of you badmins I imagine he would have been perma'd for bro coding or something stupid like that. Any admin team that would ban Testi needs to be changed!

Your condescending attitude about the ban not getting over turned shows how lost you are. Na is not perfect, but we deserve better than you. If only there was someone in this community that was both knowledgeable about administration and not too craven to voice a dissenting opinion to the rest of the admin team. Luckily such an individual does exist, and appears to be willing to bear the heavy burden of being a crpg administrator...

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 06:07:27 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 06:02:25 pm
Not quite true.

not where i was lookin at in the logs, but sure okay.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 07, 2014, 06:07:50 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:53:52 am
The people that are still making huge effort posts against this ban(you know who they are) that will not be over turned are in it for a different agenda.

"I was practically begged to buy a TS server for the CRPG goons. I was on the fence but I eventually did and spent around 120 dollars doing so. I had the money laying around so I figured why not. And everyone was cool as hell back then. No one got on each others nerves or anything.

After a while a couple/few people were just trolling the shit out of anyone new making so new players wouldn't play with us. We had a split in the community.

I tried to get rid of the few that were the problem and everyone left saying I was pretty much einstein.

Meh... I figured I screwed up buying a TS for a year without thinking what could of happened. My fault. That one was on me. There was no way I could make them lose the same amount of money I invested. Oh well at least I have admin on the games servers to fall back on.

Then the same idiots decided to post on something awful about buying and selling looms. They were talking about how they could possibly get 50 to 80 dollars a loom point. Most players have 4 to 5 looms so you do the math. I made out like a bandit!

I looked at it and smiled as I screenshotted it. Posted it to the admins of CRPG. Got them all banned... all of them(the shit heads(yes goresaw is a shit head(because he wears jorts))).

I went fuck goons and it felt so good. :)


PS. Revenge feels fucking awesome!"



The true agenda of the cRPG Admin team, as shown by Eyebeatwomen.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 06:18:37 pm
Quote from: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 06:07:27 pm
not where i was lookin at in the logs, but sure okay.


And you couldn't handle the intensity of seeing him die over and over (even though loads of players already said he was getting kills) that you thought it was worth banning him over it? Good call. You probably also leave your seat at the cinema because someone is munching on his pop corn too loud for your liking.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on July 07, 2014, 06:27:57 pm
Quote from: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 05:58:56 pm
you dont repeatedly die for 6 hours straight with peasant gear on 30 seconds into the round by charging into your enemy over the course of several days.  Do a little math there, please tell me how long one man can break the rules before its acceptable that he isnt just breaking the rules, but harming the entirety of the team and the community for hours on end.

If each round bogged out to a whopping 5 minutes, within an hour he had played 12 rounds, at one point in the logs it shows he had played for over 6 hours.  Are you telling me that in the course of over 6 hours, you participated in an approximate 72 rounds of crpg and you died within the first 30-60 seconds of the round, wearing peasant gear, and didnt kill a single person?  idk about you, but seems like a pretty daunting task for a skilled player as allers to "not try hard" and perform as poorly as that.  Even if he decided to play like shit, the fact that he auto ran into a crowd of enemy players from the start of the battle everytime paints a different story.

What we are looking for here is consistency.  If we are going to permaban people for past stuff, then make sure to ban all of the high profile trolls.

Cyranule - TKing anyone who TWs him and offering gold to people who TKs admins
Noodles - extreme bro coding
Testicleeze - extreme brocoding
Kaoklai - being Kaoklai
Miley -  being Miley
Firebus - chat abuse
Ildist - TKing and brocoding



Just think about Ganner, you could be the martyr you were born to be!

Also if you want to punish the real leechers, the YYY who join NA1, that'd be great too.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 06:32:41 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 06:12:57 pm
How good are you with a wooden stick?

Quote from: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 06:18:37 pm

And you couldn't handle the intensity of seeing him die over and over (even though loads of players already said he was getting kills) that you thought it was worth banning him over it? Good call. You probably also leave your seat at the cinema because someone is munching on his pop corn too loud for your liking.

are you fucking retarded, what in the fuck are you talking about?  what loads of players, what kills did he achieve, those meager two?  fuck me, another spergy fuck in this thread, one that ive never even heard of as well.

first off you dumb dirty fucks, if you would stop trying to be a bunch of bias stupid clowns and actually look at the logs properly you would see what im talking about, but instead you rather make random comments like every other fuck in this thread, circle jerking each other off over some shit lord player like allers.  Its the same group of you, Oberyn is spot on with it.

from 10am to 4pm, look at the logs, such kills, such a massacre, not leeching at all..........
(click to show/hide)

Quote from: MURDERTRON on July 07, 2014, 06:27:57 pm
What we are looking for here is consistency.
Also if you want to punish the real leechers, the YYY who join NA1, that'd be great too.

you could ya know, just put up a ban request, with pictures as someone else had done to start all this, but people would rather complain about people doing it then take action themselves.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on July 07, 2014, 06:33:41 pm
@Murdertron

All of whom have a string of bans except for testi who doesn't seem to have any. Don't think any of them have been permabanned before, though.

Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 06:12:57 pm
How good are you with a wooden stick?

Not saying much, but NA siege is easy enough to top with it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on July 07, 2014, 06:35:21 pm
Quote from: San on July 07, 2014, 06:33:41 pm
@Murdertron

All of whom have a string of bans except for testi who doesn't seem to have any. Don't think any of them have been permabanned before, though.

Not saying much, but NA siege is easy enough to top with it.

San, we can't all be the Michael Jordan of crpg.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: San on July 07, 2014, 06:36:00 pm
whoops, thought he was responding to me. I love peasant weapons.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 07:02:43 pm
All I read from that post, Anti, was: "pls admins, notice me". You'd rather just cry about it for the millionth time and act all squeamish because a guy isn't playing like you think he should, how dare he.
Good try calling me a retard tho, I'm sure girls were watching.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Gmnotutoo on July 07, 2014, 07:05:49 pm
Quote from: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:53:52 am
Everyone knows this.

The people that are still making huge effort posts against this ban(you know who they are) that will not be over turned are in it for a different agenda.

The only agenda I have is fairness for everyone, I truly believe global bans are for extreme cases and the global ban given to Allers is undeserving.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 07, 2014, 07:09:03 pm
Quote from: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 07:02:43 pm
All I read from that post, Anti, was: "pls admins, notice me". You'd rather just cry about it for the millionth time and act all squeamish because a guy isn't playing like you think he should, how dare he.
Good try calling me a retard tho, I'm sure girls were watching.
ive no need to cry for attention from admins nor anyone else on here

it seems youre new here, must be seeking attention, good place to start tho, if you place the phallus' of the pro allers supporters in your mouth you are right on your way to many +'s, but hey, i truly dont care, thats why im stating my opinion, you seem to not have one sheeple. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: cup457 on July 07, 2014, 07:24:48 pm
im fucking awful at this game i normally die 30 seconds to 1 minute into the round no matter what gear i wear unless i just run away and i rarely get kdr about .3 and I have never been even warned for anything related to this. My problem with this is not  that he was banned. My problem is that because of his ban history what normally would just be ignored becomes a perma-ban offense.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:32:53 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 05:50:45 pm
Missed my point in quite possibly the most hilarious way. Go home, buddy, you've had enough.

I was not even trying to make a point with that statement.

So anyways....  Allers is still banned right?

Quote from: imisshotmail on July 07, 2014, 06:07:50 pm
The true agenda of the cRPG Admin team, as shown by Eyebeatwomen.

I want to thank you and Smooth for helping me get voted in.  I am saddened that you are not over something I posted to troll you over 4? years ago?  maybe 5.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on July 07, 2014, 07:51:33 pm
Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 07:44:37 pm
You have the reading comprehension of a betta fish.

The last time I died to you on NA1...  You were cheating right?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Gmnotutoo on July 07, 2014, 09:46:16 pm
The people want a checks and balances system. NA needs an unbiased Arbiter(s) independent of Canary and those not on the current admin team, someone that our community can agree to follow. These people should be able to review global ban cases and decide if the punishment is deserving or not. They need to possess wisdom, have a sense of perspective and be able to remove their own personal feelings from issues.

Whether you agree with Allers being banned or not, we the players of NA have no power or say in what happens. This has to change for the good of our community. I demand to have someone that I can trust and respect to be able to represent the best interests of the community.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Westgate on July 07, 2014, 10:21:45 pm
Quote from: Gmnotutoo on July 07, 2014, 09:46:16 pm
NA needs an unbiased Arbiter(s) independent of Canary and those not on the current admin team, someone that our community can agree to follow.

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on July 07, 2014, 10:32:42 pm
Quote from: Gmnotutoo on July 07, 2014, 09:46:16 pm
The people want a checks and balances system. NA needs an unbiased Arbiter(s) independent of Canary and those not on the current admin team, someone that our community can agree to follow. These people should be able to review global ban cases and decide if the punishment is deserving or not. They need to possess wisdom, have a sense of perspective and be able to remove their own personal feelings from issues.

Whether you agree with Allers being banned or not, we the players of NA have no power or say in what happens. This has to change for the good of our community. I demand to have someone that I can trust and respect to be able to represent the best interests of the community.

Yes. Veto all permabans except in cases of hacking, autoblocking, script automation, and so on. Review bans on a case by case basis, instead of bringing three years of frustration, ban request forum moderating , Steam/Teamspeak rage, and BAN HISTORY copy pastes that all cloud the mind of impartiality. Realize this is a small, dedicated community, that only exists still because of the players enjoying the game and sometimes (usually not) enjoying the familiarity of long time players since like a few dozen people in all of North America play this mod. Understand the role of an admin is to prevent teamkilling, harrassment, delaying and griefing, not using Permabans against kind-of-an-asshole teenagers as a Viagra substitute.

Most importantly, that no admin or dev or anything here has commented on. Why are server admins permabanning people in the first place? Like, how is that even a thing that these dorky volunteer admins of the only servers for a really limited playerbase of a game that requires a large time investment for character growth, are allowed to do?

I mean fuck, argue all you want about Allers being a troll, the Definition of Leeching, so on and so forth, but that is all really missing the point here. Do we, as a community, really want these "community represenative admins" to permaban anyone?

Canary, since you presumably are functioning now outside of cmp or chadz's discretion or oversight, I will address you directly. What is the point of this permaban? Not the ban itself, or the rules, or any of that crap. Why is this a permanent ban of someone's Warband ID on the only NA servers for cRPG?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Matey on July 07, 2014, 10:46:37 pm
I made a handy chart back in the day for how to handle chat abuse but it could really be applied to any form of rule breaking. The main point though is 1 week bans should be the most severe punishment for anyone who isn't hacking. Repeat offenders will be ban far more often than not if they don't learn to control themselves.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Gmnotutoo on July 07, 2014, 10:48:46 pm
These are some of the questions that should be asked before deciding whether a global ban is deserving.

Why is he getting a global banned?
Has anyone else performed the same sequence and not been punished for it?
How will this ban effect the community?
Is the punishment fit for the crime, regardless of history?
What are Allers' serious crimes? (Exploiting, cheating, hacking or ruining the game.)
How much do we hold Allers accountable for his history?
What benefits has Allers had on our community?

Quote from: Matey on July 07, 2014, 10:46:37 pm
I made a handy chart back in the day for how to handle chat abuse but it could really be applied to any form of rule breaking. The main point though is 1 week bans should be the most severe punishment for anyone who isn't hacking. Repeat offenders will be ban far more often than not if they don't learn to control themselves.

That was a good chart.

Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 07, 2014, 11:02:24 pm
Quote from: Matey on July 07, 2014, 10:46:37 pm
I made a handy chart back in the day for how to handle chat abuse but it could really be applied to any form of rule breaking. The main point though is 1 week bans should be the most severe punishment for anyone who isn't hacking. Repeat offenders will be ban far more often than not if they don't learn to control themselves.

The problem lies in the roots of the system. The FORUM for the mod itself has the good ole' UNBAN ESSAY folder, which basically everyone gets to flog you with their e-peens as you publicly repent for whatever wrong doing the clergy of inner-circle cRPG heroes deemed you guilty of.

For those of you who don't know I play as Raven_Kooktar. Ive been off and on, but if you've seen me in game have I ever really done anything? No. However I do have a BAN HISTORY. Way back in the glory days of the community server I was essay banned, with no previous BAN HISTORY for TWing an admin in combat on a siege map while we were engaged with enemy on the ramparts. The admin (forget the name) fell off and died due to pole stagger. I was basically perma banned because i refused to stoop to the level of begging to return to a video game. Whatever the case the ESSAY BAN was lifted as after about a year I reinstalled and was able to play this game again.

Anyone who plays this game, creates friends and enemies. Thats what makes it so great, seeing that troll or some fotm HX trolling and DELAYING WITHOUT BEING BANNED is very gratifying to kill. The problem occurs when these same players are now given the option to permanently remove their nemesis from the community.

Bottom line is PERMANENT BANS should be limited solely to exploiting/hacking. If you don't wanna deal with a player because of BAN HISTORY and use it as a catalyst to drop a PERMANENT BAN so you don't have to deal with his/her trolling or general pain-in-the-assness then you shouldn't be a power figure head in this community.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 08, 2014, 12:56:55 am
Role of the concerned father played by the cRPG community (replace 'life' with 'cRPG')
Role of the main character, the NA Admin team (replace his main repeated phrase with 'Ban History')

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8kTOdanxFI&feature=kp

Please note this video is not to portray the physical attributes of the NA Admin staff, but the dialogue fits so perfect and I recently re-watched some Tosh on Hulu.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: BaleOhay on July 08, 2014, 01:23:16 am
After reading this entire thing I am falling on the unban side of the fence, I generally never agree with smoothrich so that is saying something.


I will also admit there are days I am busy doing other crap but playing absentmindedly never scoring a single kill in multiple rounds. Shit happens. Feel free to ban me if needed. Tossing a perma ban for slacking off is pretty bad. You basically gave the death penalty for Jaywalking, because the guy has a record. A lawyer would have a field day with this.. must be nice not to have any checks and balances. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 08, 2014, 02:21:04 am
I would rather have Anders as Head Admin of NA cRPG than Canary.

I cannot think of a better way to express how bad the NA Admin team is, other than that.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: PsychoTwins on July 08, 2014, 02:41:50 am
Quote from: kooktar on July 07, 2014, 11:02:24 pm
Bottom line is PERMANENT BANS should be limited solely to exploiting/hacking.

I have to disagree with that. I do agree permanent bans are not that great in a small community, but they do have a purpose even though at the moment they might be used improperly.

If it was only limited to exploited/hacking, there would be a shit ton of harassment on players that genuinely aren't liked or just harassment between to enemies. I hate horse archers with a passion but I also think it would be extremely unfair to not allow perm bans to people that say TK them every round.

If the promotion of the game is working on moddb, the community may grow, and I don't think we should remove perm bans just because of the people being well known. They should know not to break rules, it is simple. (Extreme rule breaking for perm bans, not the small crap like "leeching")

Also this is the only community I have known that doesn't perm ban after 2-3 bans AND that allows un-ban essays on those perm bans. I do understand we have a low population though.

TL;DR: I think perm bans should stay, but be used in extreme situations.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Mae. on July 08, 2014, 02:51:59 am
I disagree to a degree, keep the 'frequent' offenders up to a week or even 2 week bans... shit a whole month if you want. If anyone is really that much of a dick to grief so often, well its not so bad when you only see those dicks once to twice a month. Permanent bans really don't have a place besides the truly extreme shit (hacking ect).
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 03:17:58 am
Quote from: Simon_Belmont on July 07, 2014, 06:18:37 pm

And you couldn't handle the intensity of seeing him die over and over (even though loads of players already said he was getting kills) that you thought it was worth banning him over it? Good call. You probably also leave your seat at the cinema because someone is munching on his pop corn too loud for your liking.

There are multiple reasons you are not allowed to suicide or leech. Players get upset that others are getting the same xp as them without playing. Even if this is a game that is all about grinding, it is unfair that others fight while your only goal is "get killed as fast as I can each round then ignore CRPG." If leeching/suicide was not against the rules, there could be enough leech/suicide players on the server that the team balance would be really fucked up. Players who actually want to play the game would have their experience ruined. With such a small population on NA 1, allowing people to do that would be a bad thing to do.

I think that even with his extensive ban history, even allers should not have been permabanned for this. He should have gotten a lengthly ban, much more than a first time offender. He knew what he was doing, but like others in this thread he probably thought that it was doing no harm and there wasn't any reason not to. I have explained above why this is not the case. I don't want leechers to ruin what is left of crpg, and I don't want to permaban anyone either. I would sooner give up adminship than permanently ban a player. You can quote this to canary I don't give a fuck.

Now downvote me and tell me that I am a rules-lawyer sperg who is obsessed with holding my vast admin powers over regular players. Take a shit down my throat because I enforce rules that make sense and prevent the game from turning into a festering hole of non-players grinding for xp by jumping off a bridge or running into a meatgrinder instead of fighting the enemy. Boo hoo admins touch each other's buttholes and laugh like hyenas as they punish innocent players who don't know any better and didn't break any rules. sperg admin crybaby witchcraft butthurt, unban allers. the days-long logs of him leeching are not enough evidence! give live video feed i am not a troll!!!!

Quote from: Havelle Registered Voter on July 07, 2014, 06:12:57 pm
How good are you with a wooden stick?

My alt is has 4 PS / 76 WPF and only uses the stick as a backup weapon. I do better than that, and I am several tiers below allers in terms of skill.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Allers on July 08, 2014, 03:24:01 am
Why should I be perm banned for an accused "leaching" (which I wasn't). Like I said before, ever since I was unbanned from my permaban of close to a year in January, I have caused no trouble to the community. This is my first ban ever since my unban in January, for an accused leaching which did not have sufficient evidence to support it. I made that alt and have stayed relatively quiet in chat while I was playing in the servers. I was never "trolling" chat which many of you claim that I'm just a troll who wants to make everything hard on other people.
As for the "self-incriminating confession of leaching" paragraph I wrote on the ban thread, where exactly does it say, " I was leaching" or "I wasn't attacking anybody"? Oh sorry, "I choose to die by them hitting me". Yeah that's a real definition of leaching, not wanting to block. At least half of the time I did try to block or semi block/spam, and other times I didn't block. Please tell me again how this is leaching? You guys heard it from other people that I was fightning, and we all know people who rush into battle and "choose not to block". So how does this make me a leacher? Because I was wearing cheap gear? Why do the admins choose little bits from what I write that will benefit their attempts at justifying my ban? I, as well as many others, have said that I was not leaching and was actually fighting, but with cheap gear. As you can see by the logs, I actually did manage to kill some people with my stick.
As for my "get unbanned agained and I'll start trolling or leaching again", I was never trolling and getting warned of a ban since I was last unbanned, so why would I start after? If anything, the least that would happen if I got unbanned was I'd continue to how I was ever since my last unban. The biggest trouble I ever got in since my unban, besides this incident, was getting disqualified from the NA Duel Tournament by accidentally miscalulating the cost of my total gear. Ever since my unban in January, I've done relatively little, if not no troublemaking at all, and I intend to keep it like that. I don't see why I am perm banned still for such a controversial ban that many others, including myself, think was unjust and based on relatively little and insignificant evidence.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 03:28:46 am
tl;dr

Shit troll being defended by other shit trolls not getting unbanned, cries about it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Allers on July 08, 2014, 03:29:41 am
TL:DR because you are ignorant
I bet you look at all these posts and -1 all of mine and not even read them as well as the other people defending me, which you claim are trolls for defending me.
You claim you know about this incident but you probably havent read a single thing and just post "Blabla Allers is a troll just keep banned I didnt even read a single thing" and also claim im crying about it because i'm defending myself. Never knew defending youreself meant you were crying about it
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 03:37:23 am
I do give zero shits about the circumstances of your ban. All I know about it is from this thread. If you hadn't proved over several years that you are indeed an ireedemable shit troll I might not care either way, but you are. The usual suspects a-bloo-bloo'ing about "freedom" and "justice" are just the same fucking NA hypocrites you see everytime one of their own is banned for "having fun". All is bundle of sticks, all is shit trolls. Enjoy your permaban, warband real cheap right now, see you back soon.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Allers on July 08, 2014, 03:39:36 am
Sorry I forgot not trying as hard as I usually do means Im a troll and that ever since i was unbanned in January I have been behaving myself. Yeah you keep on believing that. Why don't you act your age and not troll a thread  when you weren't involved in it and just come in to say "Allers is a troll keep the permban"
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 03:42:43 am
WOW, since January? Amazing self-control Allers! You managed to not get permabanned over a few months, in a game you've played for years. What do you want, a medal? To be treated as if you hadn't gotten permabanned 9 times in your crpg history with innumerable regular bans in between? Both are stupid and unrealistic.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 08, 2014, 03:48:46 am
Quote from: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 03:42:43 am
WOW, since January? Amazing self-control Allers! You managed to not get permabanned over a few months, in a game you've played for years. What do you want, a medal? To be treated as if you hadn't gotten permabanned 9 times in your crpg history with innumerable regular bans in between? Both are stupid and unrealistic.

Reading Fail. He's actually been very good. Compared to many moons ago(the time you "remember" playing with him), allers has had maybe 2 bans? He got older and stopped fucking off.

Anyways, EU stay on EU. This doesn't concern you and you're a shit person to people on forums anyways Obyern.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: EyeBeat on July 08, 2014, 03:57:14 am
I wonder if Miley is nice enough to let Allers use his account when he is not using it.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 04:01:42 am
Quote from: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 03:42:43 am
WOW, since January? Amazing self-control Allers! You managed to not get permabanned over a few months, in a game you've played for years. What do you want, a medal? To be treated as if you hadn't gotten permabanned 9 times in your crpg history with innumerable regular bans in between? Both are stupid and unrealistic.

"Good job on overcoming your troubled past and following server rules. You deserve the death penalty and should be banned for existing why did you ask me for a fucking high five?"*

*allers did not ask oberyn for a high five
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 08, 2014, 04:11:34 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 03:17:58 am
There are multiple reasons you are not allowed to suicide or leech. Players get upset that others are getting the same xp as them without playing. Even if this is a game that is all about grinding, it is unfair that others fight while your only goal is "get killed as fast as I can each round then ignore CRPG." If leeching/suicide was not against the rules, there could be enough leech/suicide players on the server that the team balance would be really fucked up. Players who actually want to play the game would have their experience ruined. With such a small population on NA 1, allowing people to do that would be a bad thing to do.

I think that even with his extensive ban history, even allers should not have been permabanned for this. He should have gotten a lengthly ban, much more than a first time offender. He knew what he was doing, but like others in this thread he probably thought that it was doing no harm and there wasn't any reason not to. I have explained above why this is not the case. I don't want leechers to ruin what is left of crpg, and I don't want to permaban anyone either. I would sooner give up adminship than permanently ban a player. You can quote this to canary I don't give a fuck.

Now downvote me and tell me that I am a rules-lawyer sperg who is obsessed with holding my vast admin powers over regular players. Take a shit down my throat because I enforce rules that make sense and prevent the game from turning into a festering hole of non-players grinding for xp by jumping off a bridge or running into a meatgrinder instead of fighting the enemy. Boo hoo admins touch each other's buttholes and laugh like hyenas as they punish innocent players who don't know any better and didn't break any rules. sperg admin crybaby witchcraft butthurt, unban allers. the days-long logs of him leeching are not enough evidence! give live video feed i am not a troll!!!!

My alt is has 4 PS / 76 WPF and only uses the stick as a backup weapon. I do better than that, and I am several tiers below allers in terms of skill.
wasn't there this thing that got put in called valour that works this out for us?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 04:16:02 am
"asking for a high five" = demanding benefit of the doubt as if you were an innocent newbie brand new to crpg and not a well known shit troll that's gotten perma'ed a retarded number of times. "Sure, I might have murdered 9 people in the past, but I was just jaywalking! THAT'S SO UNFAIR" is a more appropriate analogy.
And the times when there were still only one EU server I think Allers hadn't gotten permabanned once yet. A bunch of regular bans, sure, but no perma. Fairly sure those were all on NA servers.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: BaleOhay on July 08, 2014, 04:16:34 am
smoothrich, goretooth, Sandy and I all agree on something. God damn it! either unban the lad or look out for the apocalypse, because it is surely on the way.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 08, 2014, 04:18:11 am
Quote from: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 03:37:23 am
I do give zero shits about the circumstances of your ban.
Quote from: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 04:16:02 am
"asking for a high five" = demanding benefit of the doubt as if you were an innocent newbie brand new to crpg and not a well known shit troll that's gotten perma'ed a retarded number of times. "Sure, I might have murdered 9 people in the past, but I was just jaywalking! THAT'S SO UNFAIR" is a more appropriate analogy.
And the times when there were still only one EU server I think Allers hadn't gotten permabanned once yet. A bunch of regular bans, sure, but no perma. Fairly sure those were all on NA servers.
keep posting about something you don't care about.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 04:21:36 am
Quote from: Goretooth on July 08, 2014, 04:18:11 am
keep posting about something you don't care about.  :rolleyes:

There were a few people adressing me directly and not writing autistic walls of text, I feel I had to anwser beyond the insults and taunting which is the only response shit trolls like Allers deserve.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Goretooth on July 08, 2014, 04:23:35 am
Quote from: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 04:21:36 am
There were a few people adressing me directly and not writing autistic walls of text, I feel I had to anwser beyond the insults and taunting which is the only response shit trolls like Allers deserve.
Yeah, okay.  :?:
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: OssumPawesome on July 08, 2014, 04:24:54 am
wtf permabanned allers? over leeching?
fuck that.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Kaoklai on July 08, 2014, 04:49:02 am
Heh, Oberyn still harboring resentment over the days when cRPG was EU only and Allers would still rape him. 

I wonder what this much alluded to admin "debate" looked like with at least 2 of NA's active admins (San and Witchfägggot), out of a small handful, apparently disagreeing with a permanent ban.   
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ps, I don't actually wonder that much, I have a pretty good idea already. 
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 08, 2014, 04:57:30 am
Quote from: BaleOhay on July 08, 2014, 04:16:34 am
smoothrich, goretooth, Sandy and I all agree on something. God damn it! either unban the lad or look out for the apocalypse, because it is surely on the way.

+anders +Badplayer

Course I also Dislike ganner a lot. Bastard pulled shit on me and got away with it. Normal people'd have been banned.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on July 08, 2014, 05:04:20 am
This shit.....is still going on?

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 05:05:39 am
Quote from: Tom Cruise on July 08, 2014, 05:04:20 am
This shit.....is still going on?

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if the lemon thread is anything to judge by, we have many pages and weeks left
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Smoothrich on July 08, 2014, 05:08:10 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 05:05:39 am
if the lemon thread is anything to judge by, we have many pages and weeks left

Or you can just unban him. I mean, you have the option right on the web page, because only devs can do global bans, so he's still on the regular ban list, just with years for his ban duration, I presume. You said so yourself he shouldn't be permabanned. So why not just uncheck that box, or change the ban date to a week?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tom Cruise on July 08, 2014, 05:13:32 am
The fact that you nerds already responded that quick and Kaoklai already used the up/down vote system someone just shows me how dumb this shit is, just sitting there spamming your stupid fingers on the refresh button.


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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 05:18:32 am
Quote from: Smoothrich on July 08, 2014, 05:08:10 am
Or you can just unban him. I mean, you have the option right on the web page, because only devs can do global bans, so he's still on the regular ban list, just with years for his ban duration, I presume. You said so yourself he shouldn't be permabanned. So why not just uncheck that box, or change the ban date to a week?

Because then he will just get rebanned and I will get a warning or my admin removed?? So an anti-permaban admin loses adminship. Sounds like a good idea I'll be right back.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 08, 2014, 05:24:45 am
It would set a precedent of the worst fucking loudmouth idiot trolls in the entire game overturning admin decisions just by whining about it enough in some random thread. It has as much chance of suceeding as any of the "UNBAN PANOS" threads, but again I think most everyone knows that. Enjoy the transient, pointless drama that will accomplish nothing.
Except maybe for Smoothrich, who appears to be under the delusion that he's still an admin and wasn't removed for being so fucking terrible at his appointed task.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Miley on July 08, 2014, 05:25:04 am
I'll just say this again since no admin has replied to it yet...

Why keep Allers banned honestly? Unban and it won't happen again 100%... literally this ban is only standing for personal reason like not wanting to unban after banning because it'll make you seem weak, make yourselves feel good with all the power you have, etc. Unban Allers and this won't happen again...? I just really don't understand this

Nothing wrong with going back on an admin decision, I've had admins do that to me a few times, Adoptagoat for example is not a baby and will admit when he did something wrong

Yeah Allers has been banned multiple times? But for leeching? Never...
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: imisshotmail on July 08, 2014, 06:26:16 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 05:18:32 am
Because then he will just get rebanned and I will get a warning or my admin removed?? So an anti-permaban admin loses adminship. Sounds like a good idea I'll be right back.

-

Quote from: Shik on July 05, 2014, 07:34:36 am
From my experience as former head admin, I've known first hand that admins are often too scared to stick up against the majority for fear of losing their coveted positions of e-power.


When a position of power in an internet game becomes something you are afraid of losing, you've already got to the point where you should be instantly deadminned because every single decision you make is going to be with you worrying that if you do xxx you might lose admin, so you don't do it.

Heres a tip for how not to let your Admin position become something you covet- don't be autistic.
Sadly something almost every current admin fails at.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Palurgee on July 08, 2014, 06:28:43 am
just spent the better part of an hour reading through this thread. I'm not going to rehash the same things that have been already said, except the following: permabanning allers for what he "did" is some of the stupidest shit I've ever seen.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on July 08, 2014, 06:38:06 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 05:18:32 am
Because then he will just get rebanned and I will get a warning or my admin removed?? So an anti-permaban admin loses adminship. Sounds like a good idea I'll be right back.

Was PARTYBOY afraid to lose his adminsip?  NO.  He did what he knew was right, and we are all better people for it.

Was Jesus afraid to die on the cross?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 08:22:39 am
Quote from: imisshotmail on July 08, 2014, 06:26:16 am
When a position of power in an internet game becomes something you are afraid of losing, you've already got to the point where you should be instantly deadminned because every single decision you make is going to be with you worrying that if you do xxx you might lose admin, so you don't do it.

I am not afraid of losing admin. If I unbanned someone against the agreement of the admin team my action would be reverted and allers would still be banned. Whether the action cost me adminship or not, it would have no effect regarding the ban.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Simon_Belmont on July 08, 2014, 10:53:46 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 08, 2014, 03:17:58 am
There are multiple reasons you are not allowed to suicide or leech. Players get upset that others are getting the same xp as them without playing. Even if this is a game that is all about grinding, it is unfair that others fight while your only goal is "get killed as fast as I can each round then ignore CRPG." If leeching/suicide was not against the rules, there could be enough leech/suicide players on the server that the team balance would be really fucked up. Players who actually want to play the game would have their experience ruined. With such a small population on NA 1, allowing people to do that would be a bad thing to do.

I think that even with his extensive ban history, even allers should not have been permabanned for this. He should have gotten a lengthly ban, much more than a first time offender. He knew what he was doing, but like others in this thread he probably thought that it was doing no harm and there wasn't any reason not to. I have explained above why this is not the case. I don't want leechers to ruin what is left of crpg, and I don't want to permaban anyone either. I would sooner give up adminship than permanently ban a player. You can quote this to canary I don't give a fuck.

Now downvote me and tell me that I am a rules-lawyer sperg who is obsessed with holding my vast admin powers over regular players. Take a shit down my throat because I enforce rules that make sense and prevent the game from turning into a festering hole of non-players grinding for xp by jumping off a bridge or running into a meatgrinder instead of fighting the enemy. Boo hoo admins touch each other's buttholes and laugh like hyenas as they punish innocent players who don't know any better and didn't break any rules. sperg admin crybaby witchcraft butthurt, unban allers. the days-long logs of him leeching are not enough evidence! give live video feed i am not a troll!!!!

My alt is has 4 PS / 76 WPF and only uses the stick as a backup weapon. I do better than that, and I am several tiers below allers in terms of skill.

You don't get it, do you, Witchcraft? Even in the highly unlikely event that a single player may make any difference in the outcome of a match, punishing him for not trying in his FREE TIME is like punishing him for having fun. Yes, his past may speak for itself for some of you but is this really the proper punishment? Take this scenario, for example: I'm playing with a char in peasant gear, a rondel dagger and a shield. I have little ag so I can't hit-n-run as many do and I die within the first minute of the match due to any form of ranged or cav. I get 5 or 6 deaths for every kill by the end of the match. I contribute very little too. Now imagine an admin can choose to ban me because I'm not contributing to the team. Now take Allers' scenario. The result is the same as mine but he wasn't actually trying. One variant in the whole grand scheme of things is enough to get him permanently banned. The only ones that have an issue with this are those tryhard nerds that can't get enjoyment out of playing and need to win every single round, otherwise they will leave.

I'm not gonna talk shit about you admins. You've been in your own little bubble for quite some time so any complain about your adminship will go unnoticed, specially by a "nobody" like me. I'm not american, so I shouldn't be the one complaining either. It's not your fault, specifically. It's the fault of such an elitist part of the community that would rather play with all the tryhards friends rather than with those who never pay attention to their xp counters. A part of community that will mostly ignore any newcomer because they are not within the top 5 players of the board. But you are right, we'd rather reward those members of the community; with the personality of a goldfish and their inability to get enjoyment if not followed by a set of rules, they'll turn out to be great admins for rp servers in games like Arma.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Grumbs on July 08, 2014, 02:04:02 pm
Think of one community that lets you get banned like 10 times and still get unbanned. Think of the amount of time people have to waste on idiots just because they know how lenient the admins are..you can't get perma'd even if you try. You can hack (cheat) your tits off and still come back with a new key. How many people cheat with wallhacks just because they know how the admins aren't going to care even if it was possible to prove it? You can just come back NP

Admins get paid nothing to put up with stuff like this..posting on the forum, explaining their side, getting evidence..if its the same guys causing problems over and over thats just not right. Ban them and don't give in to pressure

If there are bad apples in the admin team then you have to present that case with evidence. It seems though that this was just another way for someone with a history of bans to be annoying by thinking hes treading the line between playing within the rules just enough so he can cause issues while not getting banned. But the common sense rule always applies..if you can't even be bothered to play then don't leach by running into people hardly trying

Same thing as the Lemon thread..small community doesn't mean the quality of the servers should suffer
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 02:15:34 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on July 08, 2014, 02:04:02 pm
small community doesn't mean the quality of the servers should suffer

So you think that some peasant running into the enemy lines dying fairly quickly is alright as long as he is called 'ChingChong', but as soon as it is someone called Allers, who has a ban history and is known to be a very skilled player, it is punishable?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Grumbs on July 08, 2014, 02:24:01 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 02:15:34 pm
So you think that some peasant running into the enemy lines dying fairly quickly is alright as long as he is called 'ChingChong', but as soon as it is someone called Allers, who has a ban history and is known to be a very skilled player, it is punishable?

If you have a ban history you should be careful how you play. Its common sense..theres a case that he shouldn't even be playing, let alone potentially causing issues

Its a grey area but genuine newbies will make genuine mistakes and play badly because they can't help it. Playing badly intentionally so you die fast and leach off people who are trying to play isn't really fair. Not saying you have to play seriously, can't be drunk, mess around..but there was obviously a line that was crossed from genuinely having fun to intentionally trying to skirt the line so that hes technically within the rules but still having the same effect as suicide leaching
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 02:27:26 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on July 08, 2014, 02:24:01 pm
If you have a ban history you should be careful how you play. Its common sense..theres a case that he shouldn't even be playing, let alone potentially causing issues

Its a grey area but genuine newbies will make genuine mistakes and play badly because they can't help it. Playing badly intentionally so you die fast and leach off people who are trying to play isn't really fair. Not saying you have to play seriously, can't be drunk, mess around..but there was obviously a line that was crossed from genuinely having fun to intentionally trying to skirt the line so that hes technically within the rules but still having the same effect as suicide leaching

But don't you think that many other players should be, in whatever way, punished as well then? I have been playing quite a lot of cRPG lately (Guess a bit too much :D) and I see suicide leechers every day. And quite a few of these names you would recognise.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Grumbs on July 08, 2014, 02:29:45 pm
Repeat offenders will stand out ofc. Admins aren't there to see everything..most people probably won't care enough to report since they just want to play the game. Suicide leachers will get delt with eventually but having a name with a histoy of bans will make you get banned faster :D
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 02:32:32 pm
Yes, and there is the problem :D Admins do not care about some noname in relation to ban history, they keep their eye on the repeat offender. As soon as that one does something wrong only in the slighest. BAMN!
While the other guy happens to go 0/15 every map without even trying properly.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Simon_Belmont on July 08, 2014, 03:59:55 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on July 08, 2014, 02:04:02 pm
Think of one community that lets you get banned like 10 times and still get unbanned. Think of the amount of time people have to waste on idiots just because they know how lenient the admins are..you can't get perma'd even if you try. You can hack (cheat) your tits off and still come back with a new key. How many people cheat with wallhacks just because they know how the admins aren't going to care even if it was possible to prove it? You can just come back NP.

cRPG is probably one of the most hacker/griefer free mods I've ever seen. Have you ever stepped outside and played any game besides Warband? Anyone can buy keys to avoid being banned, in any game. You make it look like admins have a rough time dealing with "trolls" but that's really not the case.

For starters, close to no one bothers hacking Warband, let alone join a Warband mod just to hack. Ever seen a hack that allows you to crash the server? Any invisibility hack? Speedhacking? Name stealing? It's just not "profitable". That leaves hackers/griefers out. Furthermore, considering how many active admins cRPG has, it's almost impossible to get away with anything because they'll just check the logs and ban you either way. So teamkillers/teamhitters are out too. Another threat erradicated. What does that leave us with? People like Allers that get banned over and over again? Tell me, does it really bother that he may be able to come back? What's the worse he is going to do, get banned again? Why should that concern you? Waste their time on idiots? You mean the minute it takes to ban him? Again, I don't see how that affects you in the slightest.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jack1 on July 08, 2014, 05:06:22 pm
why do EU players keep coming onto this thread claiming that allers should be banned because of his ban history? That is seriously all that I am getting out of them.

I'll throw the "he has been banned before therefor must ban now" argument in with "people whom are banned deserve their punishment therefor people whom are punished must deserve their bans" argument.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Palurgee on July 08, 2014, 06:35:47 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 08, 2014, 05:23:00 pm
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seriously admins you muted daruvian but you won't mute this fuckwit?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tanken on July 08, 2014, 06:37:16 pm
Quote from: Palurgee on July 08, 2014, 06:35:47 pm
seriously admins you muted daruvian but you won't mute this fuckwit?


Daruvian is a repeat offender. WINK. WINK.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: DrTaco on July 08, 2014, 06:50:16 pm
Quote from: Tanken on July 08, 2014, 06:37:16 pm

Daruvian is a repeat offender. WINK. WINK.

I think it's because he agrees with them. Even if he is a worse troll and allers ever was, if he agrees with (see: gives blowjobs to) the admins, he'll never be muted.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 06:54:42 pm
Quote from: Jack1 on July 08, 2014, 05:06:22 pm
why do EU players keep coming onto this thread claiming that allers should be banned because of his ban history? That is seriously all that I am getting out of them.

I'll throw the "he has been banned before therefor must ban now" argument in with "people whom are banned deserve their punishment therefor people whom are punished must deserve their bans" argument.

Is this what I have been saying the whole time? Dammit, I gotta improve my English, guess I have been using the wrong words the whole time! :D
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Mae. on July 08, 2014, 07:13:21 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 06:54:42 pm
Is this what I have been saying the whole time? Dammit, I gotta improve my English, guess I have been using the wrong words the whole time! :D

we claimed you in NA long ago booboo
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Working_Class on July 08, 2014, 07:27:10 pm
As much as i agree with most people in this thread, i seriously doubt Allers will be unbanned or the admins will ever change. Arguing with c-rpg admins is like arguing with an autistic brick wall covered in semen
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 07:31:03 pm
Quote from: Mae. on July 08, 2014, 07:13:21 pm
we claimed you in NA long ago booboo

Good that I knew nothing about that :D


Quote from: Working_Class on July 08, 2014, 07:27:10 pm
As much as i agree with most people in this thread, i seriously doubt Allers will be unbanned or the admins will ever change. Arguing with c-rpg admins is like arguing with an autistic brick wall covered in semen

To some degree I admire your creativity. At the same time I am somewhat scared by your choice of comparisons.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 08, 2014, 07:41:50 pm
In response to Oberyn's flourish of activity in the recent pages:

I think what you are failing to realize are the raw facts, you seem to overlook these due to whatever emotions are evoked within yourself when the name 'Allers' is stamped alongside the story.

So I ask you to remove yourself from the heated discussion and look at the simplest building blocks.

For example:

The majority of the NA Admin team has issued a PERMANENT BAN against a cRPG Community Member/player on the grounds of 'Not Trying'.

This has been interpreted as leeching, but based purely off verbage of the defined rule this judgement is incorrect. The player in question was actively moving and fighting for his team, but dying more than he killed.

The problem comes in with that fact that cRPG player X is treated differently than cRPG player Y, this is what we call discrimination. This is a problem.

I propose that all player X's are treated as player Y, or vise versa, so this would either mean Allers would be unbanned OR many, many, many of the faces you see in game today would be issued permanent bans.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 07:58:59 pm
Quote from: kooktar on July 08, 2014, 07:41:50 pm
I propose that all player X's are treated as player Y, or vise versa, so this would either mean Allers would be unbanned OR many, many, many of the faces you see in game today would be issued permanent bans.

I disagree here to some degree.

The reason the issued punishment was a permanent ban was due to Allers ban history.
So someone who has never broken the rules should not be permanent banned.

But many others should indeed be punished. Whether it would be a warning for everybody who has never done anything wrong, a ban for people who already have broken the rules a few times or whatever. They need to be punished.
Or as you said, Allers has to be unbanned. If he then does something wrong he can be banned again for all I care.

But this way of dealing with only certain people comitting "serious crimes" such as not trying hard enough is not just.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: kooktar on July 08, 2014, 08:27:12 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 07:58:59 pm
I disagree here to some degree.

The reason the issued punishment was a permanent ban was due to Allers ban history.
So someone who has never broken the rules should not be permanent banned.

But many others should indeed be punished. Whether it would be a warning for everybody who has never done anything wrong, a ban for people who already have broken the rules a few times or whatever. They need to be punished.
Or as you said, Allers has to be unbanned. If he then does something wrong he can be banned again for all I care.

But this way of dealing with only certain people comitting "serious crimes" such as not trying hard enough is not just.

The problem is Canary, in this thread, admitted that the BAN HISTORY is a broken ass system. Basically you have a ban history if you are on the bad side of someone, and those in favor get let off with warnings, another testament to the discrimination that occurs in this community. Warnings, for whatever reason, are not tracked. So in theory players could be in an endless cycle of receiving warnings simply due to the fact that they have a lack of BAN HISTORY.

Real world example:

Player X did not try and was warned 10 times by 10 different admins, a ban was never issued because the admins reviewing each of the ten cases was in whatever mood they felt it not necessary. Player Y did not try and was banned on his first offense because the admin reviewing 'did it live'. Player Y on his 2nd 'not trying' session was then banned again for the same offense AND HE HAD THAT GOOD OL BAN HISTORY so the admin issuing could justify it as, DIDNT LEARN HIS LESSON. Third time around Player Y gets perma banned.

Player X hurt the community ten times. Player Y hurt the community 3 times. Who is the greater evil here? If your argument's foundation relies on the BAN HISTORY, its so full of holes it could basically be called bullshit.

The BAN HISTORY should be done away with period, let alone used as a tool for argumentative purposes.

In the case of Allers if we remove the BAN HISTORY from the equation he was permanently banned for NOT TRYING. Lets think about that. Hmm.

I feel so strongly on this subject because I was the victim of admin abuse, I was essay banned on BS accusations from a community server admin from way back.

*edit* clarified my thoughts after posting
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: MURDERTRON on July 08, 2014, 09:05:28 pm
Canary and co have been padding my record with 2-5 minute bans, so I'm probably next.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 08, 2014, 09:07:14 pm
Quote from: MURDERTRON on July 08, 2014, 09:05:28 pm
Canary and co have been padding my record with 2-5 minute bans, so I'm probably next.

Uh oh, you better give it 110% everytime you play! Feel like getting a bit sloppy? Quickly disconnect before they notice!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Porthos on July 08, 2014, 10:18:36 pm
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 05, 2014, 04:00:04 am
He did get kills sometimes. There are even a few rounds where he gets multiple kills. That doesn't mean that all those consecutive rounds with no kills are not suicide/leeching. Look at how many times he died to falling damage.

Whether or not you think he should be permabanned, that wall of evidence is pretty damning.
Okay, take a wooden stick and peasants clothes, and try to play much better than he did. Play 3 hours at least, and if you will be able to do much more effective (since you will try to do your best, unlike Allers, who were just playing regularly or relaxed), then you are right.

Quote from: Jacko on July 05, 2014, 12:00:25 pm
Repeat offenders will be perma-banned. That's why it was implemented, to stop them wasting everyone's time.

How on earth playing with a cheap gear is "offending"? Again, try to take a wooden stick and I'd be glad to see if you will be able not to die that often as Allers did. Do you think it's easy? Look at Fuma, you can't say he is a bad player. He is one of the goddamn pros at EU, and still when he uses his peasant gear and even trying hard, he often finds himself somewhere in the middle of the scoreboard in the best case. Or maybe you'd like to ban me cos I am using an arming cap and heraldic tabard as the main gear and I'm dying from every single missed block 'cos of that? Fine, I wouldn't mind.

Okay, so here I am sincerely admitting that I have around 8-10 bans in the past for various griefing, and also using a cheap gear, sometimes trolling or swearing in chat when I feel myself lazy/angry. Moreover, 90% of my crpg time I am playing kinda carelessly - I listen music, various audiobooks, radio stuff, and do not pay maximum attention to what's happening on my screen. From time to time I just play not serious at all, like running around and hugging my teammates or enemies, nudging, spamming the voice chat, bashing my friends with a fist or a knife, or spamming only overheads with no attempt of blocking, and some "true players" of enemy team can easily catch and kill me in such moments. Sometimes I even falling from the walls when I trying to avoid the enemies (and yea, most time I'm dying from falling as well). I was never managed to reach a positive k/d ratio before the character retirement (I believe my all-time record is 1:1.2) during whole crpg career (almost 2 years of playing the mod). So ban me too if you feel I am any guilty. Cheers!

p.s. By the way, since the beginning of the summer I have a technical difficulties with my PC, so yesterday I was playing crpg on my laptop. It gives me huge freezes and 20-30 fps on lowest settings and 640x480 res, so I ended the siege map with 3/25 k/d ratio (or smthn like that) cos of fps drops, lack of practice and other stuff. And this is it. The fucking EVIDENCE of me ruining balance at the EU2 siege! Take notice that some of my teammates probly lost huge amount of exp because of me. So ban me immediately, there is no forgiveness to me :!:

p.p.s. Honestly I don't know who is Allers at all, since I am playing on NA servers only when I am banned at EU. But anyways, if he would be such big pile of shit like some of you mentioned, so then wait him to do any REAL offense and then give him anything you want. But I just can't get what's offensive in being play relaxed. Oh, look! The enemies raped us and we have lost our x5, but ofc it's a fault of some dude who didn't block properly! Okay, ban him forever for not putting sufficient effort! Wtf, duh? Play the fucking game, mute the guys who spread the shit in chat, kill the guys who do not block, and have your tiny fun, but what for you should act like the holy inquisition? Why u heff to be mad for fuck's sake? :rolleyes:

And finally good job NA admins, as for feeding the lame troll with Korean leader on avatar. He is surely the one, whose requests should be satisfied with maximum precision. Well done!
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Oberyn on July 09, 2014, 03:18:15 am
Yup, the only reason Allers has such a long rap sheet is because of evil admins who personally don't like him. It's such a broken system, he didn't deserve any of them, the poor innocent soul. /s
Fucking abject retards in this thread. If there's anyone appealing to emotion here it's the spergs writing essay length diatribes about freedom and justice and home-made apple pie to defend a permatroll that's been banned dozens of times by different admins. "Discrimination", lololol.
I'm for just removing all NA admins and letting them wallow in their trolls and griefers until the server finally implodes from being completely unplayable.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Porthos on July 09, 2014, 03:44:34 am
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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jona on July 09, 2014, 06:12:59 am
Quote from: Oberyn on July 09, 2014, 03:18:15 am
lol@autism of this guy

For someone who sucks so much dick, I am having a hard time believing this is so hard for you to swallow. No rules were broken, no ban was needed.

Not only that, but this 'piece of shit troll who gets banned every week' hasn't misbehaved or been banned in over 7 months. That's a decently long time when, according to you anyways, he should have been banned at least 28 times within that time period. Sure he was a dickhead in the past, no doubt about it. As hard as it is for you to grasp, people can change. Maybe he finally had, only to be banned for not giving a shit about his epeen. I don't like this guy at all. Call me a troll all you want, doesn't change anything. Your argument(s) are all baseless and utter nonsense. Just get out and leave any discussions to be done by the NA players and the far more reasonable euros (or adopted-into-NA euros) present in this thread.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 09, 2014, 06:43:22 am
Quote from: Jona on July 09, 2014, 06:12:59 am
...Not only that, but this 'piece of shit troll who gets banned every week' hasn't misbehaved or been banned in over 7 months. That's a decently long time when, according to you anyways, he should have been banned at least 48 30 times within that time period...



Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Jona on July 09, 2014, 07:11:00 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on July 09, 2014, 06:43:22 am

Haha, whoops. Meant to put 28 (7*4). Although I guess since it IS the beginning of July, it's really only 6 months... meh.
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 09, 2014, 01:19:15 pm
Quote from: Palurgee on July 08, 2014, 06:35:47 pm
seriously admins you muted daruvian but you won't mute this fuckwit?

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Switchtense on July 09, 2014, 01:28:20 pm
Quote from: Supreme_Leader on July 09, 2014, 01:19:15 pm
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Can somebody mute this windowlicker please?
Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: Supreme_Leader on July 09, 2014, 02:06:32 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on July 09, 2014, 01:28:20 pm
Can somebody mute this windowlicker please?

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Title: Re: stand united with allers against bad admins
Post by: cup457 on July 09, 2014, 02:31:18 pm
Just don't respond to anything he says and hopefully he'll die when one of his terrible nukes blow up