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Beta => WSE2 Beta => Topic started by: Weewum on December 07, 2012, 10:27:19 pm

Title: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Weewum on December 07, 2012, 10:27:19 pm
IF possible, I , and other people would not be able to play on DX9, as some of us with crappy desktops, or god forbid, laptops, can not play without FPS drops resulting in missing blocks, hits and all over, making a large number rage-quit.  We are asking for DX7 to be availible (we know it wasnt built in, but in cmp we trust)
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Materia on December 07, 2012, 10:35:43 pm
Time to get better PC, or quit the game. DX 9 is not expensive. If you can have internet to play, you sure can affoard many more things.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Elindor on December 07, 2012, 11:08:40 pm
Fromg what cmp said - I don't think it was a choice to not include DX7 compatability....I think it might be IMPOSSIBLE to allow DX7 compatability with WSE2.

Also, yeah : www.newegg.com
Build a computer for $400-500 that will not need DX7 to run smoothly (in laptops that might cost a bit more)

Sorry, and not trying to be a dick, but in order to allow advancement the bottom has to be left off as time moves on :(
The gaming industry is always pushing their "minimum specs".
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 08, 2012, 12:01:35 am
Fromg what cmp said - I don't think it was a choice to not include DX7 compatability....I think it might be IMPOSSIBLE to allow DX7 compatability with WSE2.

It's not technically impossible, it's just that we have no one who can work with it.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Weewum on December 08, 2012, 12:59:16 am
Would I need a graphic card upgrade or a full on computer to run DX9 well?
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: jtobiasm on December 08, 2012, 01:02:03 am
How come I can run games such as Black ops, BFBC 2 which are dx9. Yet C-rpg is unplayable on DX9?
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: In Cauda Venenum on December 08, 2012, 01:13:45 am
How come I can run games such as Black ops, BFBC 2 which are dx9. Yet C-rpg is unplayable on DX9?
Because when you have that much code that changes so much with how the base game works, you're bound to have tons of conflicts.
It's like a puzzle trying to fit all of the shit together without errors.
You're also forgetting that cRPG is a mod while Black Ops and Battlefield aren't.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: jtobiasm on December 08, 2012, 01:18:37 am
Because when you have that much code that changes so much with how the base game works, you're bound to have tons of conflicts.
It's like a puzzle trying to fit all of the shit together without errors.
You're also forgetting that cRPG is a mod while Black Ops and Battlefield aren't.
I'm not forgetting anything.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Mlekce on December 08, 2012, 01:29:37 am
i had ge force 240gt ddr3 1gb of memory i had problems with fps drops,and i was playing on lowest dx9 settings.
now i bought ati radeon 7750hd ddr5 1gb memory and guess what? I still sometimes get frps drops,and  freezes,but i play on ultra high settings.
Even if i lower settings to minimum i still have fps drops when i enter some realy big battle in eu1.
It is engine fault,not your pc. I have latest graphic card and it is still causing problems.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 08, 2012, 01:34:18 am
Because when you have that much code that changes so much with how the base game works, you're bound to have tons of conflicts.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand what this is supposed to mean?

i had ge force 240gt ddr3 1gb of memory i had problems with fps drops,and i was playing on lowest dx9 settings.
now i bought ati radeon 7750hd ddr5 1gb memory and guess what? I still sometimes get frps drops,and  freezes,but i play on ultra high settings.
Even if i lower settings to minimum i still have fps drops when i enter some realy big battle in eu1.
It is engine fault,not your pc. I have latest graphic card and it is still causing problems.

It might be latest generation, but the 7750 is still a mid range card (although it should be more than enough for Warband). Don't forget that FPS drops can be also caused by a weak CPU and many other factors.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Kreczor on December 08, 2012, 02:03:05 am
Because when you have that much code that changes so much with how the base game works, you're bound to have tons of conflicts.
It's like a puzzle trying to fit all of the shit together without errors.
You're also forgetting that cRPG is a mod while Black Ops and Battlefield aren't.
This literally makes zero sense.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Rhaelys on December 08, 2012, 02:06:18 am
This literally makes zero sense.

But it doesn't figuratively make zero sense?
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Kreczor on December 08, 2012, 02:09:49 am
But it doesn't figuratively make zero sense?
....yes?
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Ubereem on December 08, 2012, 03:58:13 am
well my pc recently died so im stuck using an old tower i had and the only way i can play is dx7 and all settings on low. so i guess my only request is to not make this wse2 thing mandatory. at least for a few months until i either build a new rig or fix my older one
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Tigero on December 10, 2012, 08:13:21 am
Seriously if ur computer can't run M&B it's time for an upgrade... this game works with a damn calculator lol.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: donib on December 10, 2012, 12:09:20 pm
poor people problems
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: brockssn on December 10, 2012, 03:02:33 pm
I hope they scrap this client because of this. DX7 gameplay is so much better than DX9, no camera issues, no warping, no rubberbanding, etc. I have 500+ avg FPS with the new client on my desktop, but I still hate playing with it because its just not as nice as DX7 gameplay.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 10, 2012, 03:07:34 pm
I hope they scrap this client because of this. DX7 gameplay is so much better than DX9, no camera issues, no warping, no rubberbanding, etc. I have 500+ avg FPS with the new client on my desktop, but I still hate playing with it because its just not as nice as DX7 gameplay.

Funny thing is all of the issues you listed are completely unrelated from the renderer.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: brockssn on December 10, 2012, 03:40:35 pm
Why's it only affected by the new client? its obviously something with the new client
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Elindor on December 10, 2012, 04:12:46 pm
I have 500+ avg FPS...

500+ FPS?

I'm no expert on this but I'm pretty sure that between the human eye and monitor refresh rates that you can't see anywhere near 500 FPS.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: brockssn on December 10, 2012, 04:17:01 pm
500+ FPS?

I'm no expert on this but I'm pretty sure that between the human eye and monitor refresh rates that you can't see anywhere near 500 FPS.

I have 830ish at loading screens, and between 380-640 while playing. There's a little meter that tells you what it is... I'm not counting the frames per second with my eye.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Elindor on December 10, 2012, 04:40:45 pm
I have 830ish at loading screens, and between 380-640 while playing. There's a little meter that tells you what it is... I'm not counting the frames per second with my eye.

 :shock:
Not sure....if....serious....or trolling.

......yeah, I know you're not "counting them with your eyes"...and yes I know about the counter.   :rolleyes:
If you're mocking me - don't.  If you're really confused - I'm sorry.

I was pointing out that I don't think the effect of having 500 FPS is discernible (able to be discerned; perceptible) to the human eye. 

This could be causing you more problems than helping you.  Might be better to just set your FPS max to like 120 or something.
But I'll leave that to people that know more about that like cmp and such.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 10, 2012, 05:10:51 pm
380-640 FPS while playing? Are you running on super hardware and Abysmal settings or what?
And like Elindor said, horrible idea. A good FPS limit for high-end machines is 120-ish.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: zagibu on December 10, 2012, 05:24:45 pm
What else besides ragdolls could cause problems for the CPU? Of course, the sheer number of people will, but you can't really influence that. Maybe the number of bodies has also a small effect?

I can't really test it, because I have good FPS, but it might be interesting to know for those wanting to upgrade their system with a new videocard only.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 10, 2012, 05:35:36 pm
Bodies has very little to no effect on the CPU.
Things that can be really heavy are particle systems, skeletal animation, collision checking, ragdolls, agent movement and probably more.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Sagar on December 10, 2012, 05:36:24 pm
I have a good computer, and I had a problem while I was using Win XP (freezing, fps drop, etc.). After I installed Win 7, (with the same configuration) all the problems are gone.

MyComp
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Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Iymore on December 10, 2012, 05:45:37 pm
Bodies has very little to no effect on the CPU.
Things that can be really heavy are particle systems, skeletal animation, collision checking, ragdolls, agent movement and probably more.
i'm trying to test my fps with ultra graphic settings, here is my settings, is everything at ultra? (i know about grass and shadows)

http://i.imgur.com/1J8jq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yuYXc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4sIT2.jpg

i got msi 7850 2gb gpu and amd fx 4100 cpu
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: zagibu on December 10, 2012, 06:09:30 pm
I have a good computer, and I had a problem while I was using Win XP (freezing, fps drop, etc.). After I installed Win 7, (with the same configuration) all the problems are gone.

MyComp
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I had the same experience.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Tore on December 10, 2012, 06:24:11 pm
Strange.... I run warband on DX9 with decent graphics on my laptop:

AMD something 2.0 ghz
4GB ram
ATI Radeon 4650 (i think)
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: NuberT on December 10, 2012, 07:10:47 pm
380-640 FPS while playing? Are you running on super hardware and Abysmal settings or what?
And like Elindor said, horrible idea. A good FPS limit for high-end machines is 120-ish.

when having fps jumping around between 90 and 200, what would be best in your opinion with 60 hz monitor, capping at 60, 90, 120, 180? :)
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 10, 2012, 07:13:38 pm
90 or 65-75 with "Reduce blah blah input lag" option on.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Tore on December 10, 2012, 07:26:12 pm
when having fps jumping around between 90 and 200, what would be best in your opinion with 60 hz monitor, capping at 60, 90, 120, 180? :)

Cap at 60, if you have a 60 hz monitor you can only see 60 fps anyway.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 10, 2012, 07:34:30 pm
Be careful because the cap limits FPS of everything in the engine, including input. 60 FPS will feel way less responsive (especially if you don't enable the input lag reduction option).
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: wast on December 10, 2012, 07:39:41 pm
This isn't like people going on the crysis forums and asking why their 10 year old computer can't play it. Warband has always had dx7, my bad computer has been able to run this game since open beta. This is a game we've all played fine and still do play, and now because functionality is being removed we won't be able to.

I mean this is a free mod so whatever, it's just lame that I won't be able to play it anymore for such a silly reason.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 10, 2012, 08:17:29 pm
Don't be selfish, we can't halt the evolution of the mod just because you can't keep up.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Lannistark on December 10, 2012, 08:24:07 pm
Don't be selfish, we can't halt the evolution of the mod just because you can't keep up.

Hahaha.

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Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Strider on December 11, 2012, 03:51:12 am
My comp is 5 years old. Its a windows desktop (not a crappy one) and playing DX9 with even the lowest settings makes the game skip and lag like a MOFO. Idk if devs are trying to eliminate the lag a little more for WSE2. But all i know is that my computer will not let me play efficiently with DX9 atm.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Cyber on December 11, 2012, 07:23:25 am
My pc should be able to run Warband on max settings with stable fps but since i hate progress and i'm already used to DX7 after using it when Warband was released on my old pc that i prefer it tbh, will we have to use WSE2 in the future to play cRPG?
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: cmp on December 11, 2012, 01:10:04 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Patoson on December 11, 2012, 01:27:33 pm
when having fps jumping around between 90 and 200, what would be best in your opinion with 60 hz monitor, capping at 60, 90, 120, 180? :)
Cap at 60, if you have a 60 hz monitor you can only see 60 fps anyway.
I have a 60 Hz monitor as well and I play at 125 constant fps, and I do notice the difference. People who claim you cannot see a difference beyond 60 fps probably never got a framerate better than that, or they are blind. Movement (animations) is a lot more fluid and the mouse is a lot more responsive.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 11, 2012, 07:59:58 pm
I have a 60 Hz monitor as well and I play at 125 constant fps, and I do notice the difference. People who claim you cannot see a difference beyond 60 fps probably never got a framerate better than that, or they are blind. Movement (animations) is a lot more fluid and the mouse is a lot more responsive.

yeah, this is so true. I am no pc expert but additionaly it seems to me that a high number of frames per second - at least in the way it is mostly measured in pc games - is by no means an exact indicator of a smooth and highly reactive gaming experience. With my current GPU I don't notice much difference if the fps number displayed is 100 or 70 or what, with the GPU I had before the difference was huge and games in general tend to feel more clumsy/stuttering even with the exact same fps. I'm sure this can be technically explained...
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: zagibu on December 11, 2012, 09:44:49 pm
It's also different from game to game. I think in Witcher 2, for example, I had to set pre-rendered frames to 1, or else I would get horrible stuttering, even though the framerate was around 60. Or Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood, in which I always had very high FPS, but the game literally hurt my eyes. It felt somehow...jerky and not fluid. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a solution there.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Elindor on December 11, 2012, 09:50:25 pm
You can see more than 60, yes...in various ways this helps your gameplay be smooth.

However, you will not notice the difference between 120 and 500 I would say.  500 is kinda rediculous.
Not much reason to have FPS max at more than 120 or 160 or so tops.
Title: Re: Asking for something, that will never happen.
Post by: Ubereem on December 14, 2012, 11:15:36 pm
Yes.
So yes as in this wse2 update will be mandatory? I think it's a big mistake but anyways what is the time frame on this mandatory update? Nobody responded to my previous post but I as well as others are stuck using dx7 for the time being. It's going to take me a few months at least to get a new machine or fix my old one(which I don't even know if it's worth fixing). I have 1000's of hours invested in this mod and do not want to stop playing:(