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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2790 on: April 16, 2014, 06:35:07 pm »
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This was intentionally written in klingon so only Gnjus, Leshma, chadz and others klingons can totally understand it. For rest of you have shitty google translate.

Situacija nije tako jednostavna na prvi pogled. Naime samo slijepcu nije vidljivo mješanje zapada pogotovo SAD-a u destabiliziranju Ukrajine što se Rusiji naravno ne sviđa, ipak im je Ukrajina najveći i najbliži susjed sa brojnim povijesnim vezama i mrljama. S druge strane imamo očitu teritorijalnu otimačinu pod krinkom zaštite ruskog naroda u Ukrajini što je nadasve smiješno. Teško mi je ostati pristran nakon što je isti ovakav scenario bij u bivšoj Jugoslaviji '91 kad su Srbi koristili ista opravdanja za otimanje teritorija Hrvatske i Bosne i Hercegovine. Hrvatska je uspijela povratiti svoj teritorijalni suverenitet ali ono što se u BIH dogodilo je van svake pameti. Zemlja je od hadžija podijeljena na 3 rejona i sve pod blagoslovom zapada. Neću sad detaljnije ulaziti u to jer nema smisla ali sve se to sada ponavlja u Ukrajini. Budući da za razliku od većine vas na forumu dobro znam što je rat i borba za neovisnost, duboko se nadam da nitko iz Ukrajine neće to morati proživljavati na svojoj koži mada budimo realni sranja se već događaju.
Dakle kratki zaključak svega huškači sa zapada i istoka se bore za teritorijalno uporište i resurse Ukrajine dok su Ukrajinci oni koji će pojesti sva ta govna što im "gospoda" spreme.
I ako se situacija ne promijeni uskoro jest će ih i brojne nadolazeće generacije.
Ono što bi se realno moglo dogoditi je podijela Ukrajine na pro rusku i pro zapadnu stranu, naravno s blagoslovom Putina i Obame. Možda bude i neki novi berlinski zid.
Jedino dobro iz svega ovoga što bi moglo proizaći je ban svim ruskim igračima dote kao sankcije sa zapada.

Miomir Žužul translation:

The situation is not so simple at first glance . That is just not visible to the blind mixing west , especially the U.S. and the destabilization of Ukraine as Russia, of course, do not like , though they Ukraine 's largest and closest neighbor with many historical ties and stains . On the other hand, we have an obvious territorial robbery under the guise of protecting the Russian people in Ukraine which is extremely funny . I find it hard to remain biased after this same scenario was in the former Yugoslavia in '91 when the Serbs used the same excuse to grab territory Croatian and Bosnia and Herzegovina . Croatia has managed to restore its territorial sovereignty but what happened in Bosnia and Herzegovina is beyond mind . Country of pilgrims divided into three regions and all the blessings of the West . I am not going to go into detail because it does not make sense , but everything is now repeated in Ukraine . Because unlike most of you well know now is that the war and the struggle for independence , deeply hope that no one from the Ukraine will not have to live in your own skin , although let's be real shit is already happening .
So short conclusion of all mongers from the west and east are fighting for territorial foothold and resources of Ukraine while Ukrainians that they will eat all the shit they " Mrs. " degree .
And if the situation does not change soon is the number of them and the generations to come .
What would have happened is real giveaway Ukraine on a pro Russian and pro west side , of course, with the blessing of Putin and Obama . There may be some new Berlin Wall .
The only good thing from all this that might arise is ban all Russian players dote as sanctions from the West.



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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2791 on: April 16, 2014, 06:43:21 pm »
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Italy should do the same as Russia and take back Istria and Dalmatia

http://youtu.be/kqokVpQ98Aw?t=1m10s
« Last Edit: April 16, 2014, 06:58:50 pm by Olwen »

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2792 on: April 16, 2014, 07:17:57 pm »
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Italy should do the same as Russia and take back Istria and Dalmatia

http://youtu.be/kqokVpQ98Aw?t=1m10s

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2793 on: April 16, 2014, 07:45:26 pm »
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Italy should do the same as Russia and take back Istria and Dalmatia

http://youtu.be/kqokVpQ98Aw?t=1m10s


Sounds good to me. Can Austria take the northern regions again plox, would be lovely.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2794 on: April 16, 2014, 07:52:55 pm »
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Teško mi je ostati pristran nakon što je isti ovakav scenario bij u bivšoj Jugoslaviji '91 kad su Srbi koristili ista opravdanja za otimanje teritorija Hrvatske i Bosne i Hercegovine. Hrvatska je uspijela povratiti svoj teritorijalni suverenitet ali ono što se u BIH dogodilo je van svake pameti. Zemlja je od hadžija podijeljena na 3 rejona i sve pod blagoslovom zapada.

Pazi ovako, te tri zemlje koje pominjes su dugo godina bile pod necijim patronatom tj. nisu bile nezavisne. Sve sto cu napisati je iz istorije tj. povijesti i sve i sam znas.

Srbija je imala taj neki period u srednjem veku kada se malo uzdigla ali to sa Srbijom od 1867. na ovamo veze nema. Drugi narod, druga vlast, drugi jezik, zivelo se zajedno sa Grcima u vreme najvece slave. Car Dusan, sto se ovde narod pali na njega kao velikog Srbina je bio Vizantijski vladar koji je govorio grcki jezik...

Srbija posle Osmanlija je kao nastavak te srednjevekovne Srbije ali to vise nije bilo to, niti su Srbi tada a pogotovo danas slovenskog porekla, niti su zadrzali navike i jezik od pre Turaka. Danasnja Srbija se nastavlja na taj period posle Osmanlija, kao i sve ideje Velike Srbije. Meni ta Srbija ide na onu stvar je ma koliko se puvali to nikada nije bila narocito uspesna drzava a sama ideja monarhije mi je ogavna i to je jedino gde podrzavam komuniste tj. boljsevike jer su se resili kraljeva, careva i ostalih sranja gde se vlast nasledjuje.

Za Hrvatsku slicno vazi, mada je Hrvatska kroz istoriju imala vecu nezavisnost jer ipak nije bila pod vlascu Turaka vec Austro-Ugarske.

Sto se Bosne tice, zemlje u kojoj sam rodjen, tu je istorija tek sarena. Fakticki, posle Kotromanica i Srednjeg veka ta drzava vise nije postojala kao nezavisna i to je razlog zasto su se ustase i cetnici prvi dogovarali oko cepanja a posle Slobo i Franjo (pa se nisu dogovorili, a zapadni i njihov osobni tj. licni ekonomski  interes bio da se zarati pa se i zaratilo jelte). Bosna u sastavu Jugoslavije je bila Jugoslavija u svom najcistijem obliku. Multietnicka zajednica gde su svi bili dobrodosli. Bosanski nacionalizam nije postojao, ekstremizam u Bosni je zapravo islamski ekstremizam koji je vise manje importovan tokom rata iz islamskih zemalja. Upravo jer je tako bilo u Bosni su odlucili da bas Bosnu i pocepaju. Medjutim Bosna kao neka nezavisna drzava i nema puno smisla jer je to bila Jugoslavija koje vise nema. O pripajanju delova Bosne Srbiji i Hrvatskoj nema govora tako je najbolja sansa Bosne da u okviru neke nove velike drzave tj. Evropske Unije zasija kao nekada.

Ima jos jedna bitna stvar, valja utvrditi ko su Srbi, ko Hrvati a ko Bosanci (ili Bosnjaci kako chocolate chip cookievaju muslimane). Beograd je davao naredjenja i vodio rat, to je grad u kojem danas zivim. Ali reci da su Srbi upravljali iz Beograda je malo nezgodno jer su u Beogradu na vlasti tada bili a vecinom su i danas ljudi poreklom iz Crne Gore a oni se danas ne izjasnjavaju kao Srbi. Sto je najgore Hrvati su dobri sa Crnogorcima... Milosevic je crnogorac, kao i vecina generala koji su vodili rat, Karadzic je isto crnogorac a Mladic je iz Bosne, na granici sa Hercegovinom. Ako su Crnogorci i Hercegovci Srbi onda jesu Srbi ti koji su vodili rat.

Ovi sto su im porodice formirane za vreme Kraljevine su vecinom bili u emigraciji i vratili se tek posle 2000. godine i do skora su vedrili i oblacili Srbijom kroz takozvane liberalno-lopovske struje sve dok nije dosao Veliki Vodja Vucic koji je... pogadjaj... Bosanac/Hercegovac kao i vecina njegovih ministara.

Srbi jednostavno nisu sposobni da sebe ustolice tako da po Srbiji uglavnom vladaju Crnogorci, Bosanci i Hercegovci na sta oni stalno i kukaju.

Jos jedna stvar oko Bosne. Tamo gde sam ja rodjen je bilo svih, danas su tamo full muslimani a prizor je ko da se nalazis u Avganistanu. U Prijedoru gde su bili muslimani sada zivi moja rodbina sa oceve strane koji se deklarisu kao Srbi iako nikakve veze sa Srbijom nemaju vekovima osim sto su kao eto Pravoslavci. Isto tako familija sa strane majke koji se deklarisu kao Hrvati jer su jelte katolicke veroispovesti. Tako da sam ja posle tog crtanja nindza kornjaca imao situaciju da idemo da se sklonimo kod babe (sa majkine strane) dok je moj stric (rezervni oficir povlaka debil) prosipao srpstvo haubicom sa obliznjeg brda na iste te kuce gde je bila i moja bada... pa posle kada je mojoj majci najbolje drugarica od preko 30 godina (od detinjstva) rekla da ide sa svojim narodom, da bi na kraju moji jedva izvukli zivu glavu (posto su prosli koridore sa razlicitim zastavaka na kojima su jednako glavati pustali ili ubijali ljude) jer su u nekoj jebenoj sumi naleteli na pokojnog vladiku/pedofila Kacavednu Tuzlanskog pa ih on promuvao do Srbije. U Hrvatsku se nije smelo ici jer mi je otac, Jugosloven do tada, preko noci postao Srbin a da ga nije nista pitao pa samim tim nije ni mogao u lipu vasu... Rodjaci zbrisali Austrija/Nemacka, jedino najmladji ujko mobilisan u JNA pa kada se otkrilo da je iz katolicke porodice prebijen milion puta i bacen u zarobljenistvo. Danas ima 300 kila i slabo da ista progovara a i kada prica ne cujes ga...

Tako da nemoj da mi spominjes nezavisnost, veliku Srbiju, domovinski rat, skorpione, zenge, arkana, legiju, tomsona, gotovinu, aliju, republiku srpsku, federaciju i ostala sranja. Da se ja pitam isto bi uradio sto i pokojni Tito, obnovio zemlju a sve "nezavisne" proterao da tucaju kamen na vise otoka posto ih je ocigledno jako puno...

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2795 on: April 16, 2014, 08:25:39 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2796 on: April 16, 2014, 08:26:00 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2797 on: April 16, 2014, 08:36:42 pm »
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Don't know if it's true. intradasting however - Even if it is, doesn't really change anything.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2798 on: April 16, 2014, 08:50:39 pm »
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Don't know if it's true. intradasting however - Even if it is, doesn't really change anything.
It would take a bit of wind out of the "USA does wars everywhere"-people's sails.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2799 on: April 16, 2014, 08:58:51 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2800 on: April 16, 2014, 09:50:00 pm »
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And another leaked call apparently concerning Russian operations in Eastern Ukraine.


http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-smoking-russian-gun/25334376.html

Seems like a pretty dicey business, we'll have to wait and see if and when any definite evidence turns up.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2014, 09:56:02 pm by okiN »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2801 on: April 16, 2014, 10:24:33 pm »
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There is people who are conducting armed operations in Ukraine, and they communicate with each other with telecommunication. That is not news. A news would be if they are from the russian army, russian supported russian rebels, russian supported ukrainian rebels, or just ukrainian rebels.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2802 on: April 16, 2014, 10:30:50 pm »
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On previous leaked call they were instructed by someone from Russia, who also mentioned they will also report to Aksenov - ruler of Crimea.
If there was way to prove that these calls are not fake - it would be 100% proof that Russia is behind all this, sadly it's hardly possible.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2803 on: April 16, 2014, 10:49:50 pm »
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There is people who are conducting armed operations in Ukraine, and they communicate with each other with telecommunication. That is not news. A news would be if they are from the russian army, russian supported russian rebels, russian supported ukrainian rebels, or just ukrainian rebels.

Clearly you didn't properly watch the video or read the link, since that IS the news. Although as serr pointed out, there's no definitive proof yet, but if they claim to have the man responsible in custody, that's certainly something to take note of. Interesting to see what this announcement they have planned for tomorrow will be.

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But it may be Andriy Parubiy, the head of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, who holds the true smoking gun. Parubiy, a former lawmaker and Euromaidan protest leader, announced on April 15 that SBU agents had detained officers from the Russian Defense Ministry's main intelligence wing, the GRU, for involvement in the eastern actions.

The "Kyiv Post" later identified the main detainee as Igor Strelkov, a GRU commanding officer and the leader of the paramilitary group that has taken control in the eastern city of Slovyansk. The SBU said Strelkov arrived in Crimea at the beginning of March and had been identified in a recorded telephone conversation with a Moscow official on April 14:

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The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has identified Igor Strelkov as the leader of the paramilitary group that has taken control of the eastern city of Sloviansk. Strelkov is a commanding officer of a Russian military intelligence unit.

The press service of the SBU announced that they had identified Strelkov’s voice in a recording of a telephone conversation between Strelkov and a Moscow official on April 14.

The SBU said that Strelkov arrived in Crimea at beginning of March and began directing Russian troops and special forces to occupy Ukrainian military outposts and government buildings, and orchestrated the kidnappings of Ukrainian soldiers, activists, and other Ukrainian and foreign citizens.

Strelkov has reportedly recruited Ukrainian citizens to conduct subversive actions in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

According the SBU statement, “The saboteur personally gave orders to Ukrainian citizens “K” and “B” to occupy and hold the Kharkiv regional administration building, military outfits, and law enforcement units with the goal of seizing weapons in the Luhansk Oblast.

The SBU has already started a criminal investigation of Strelkov for “premeditated murder and committing acts threatening the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and inviolability of Ukraine, conducting subversion, and organizing riots in the eastern regions” of Ukraine.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #2804 on: April 16, 2014, 11:13:40 pm »
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If there was way to prove that these calls are not fake - it would be 100% proof that Russia is behind all this, sadly it's hardly possible.
To prove it is really very difficult. But how they work!
 
Please note - no wounded or killed. Good job.