@Nicko:
Well USSR supported lots of anti-US movements through the COLD WAR as well. Don't be an idiot please. The cold war was a long series of IDEOLOGICALLY MOTIVATED proxy wars between USSR and US. They tried to fight each other in any possible way, without fighting directly.
@Heskey
This thread would be more interesting if it were not for people like Xant and Tovi. Both just spewing their different kinds of BS..
Still though, it's a little bit scary how so many people believe the absurd notion that Ukraine can blame itself for this. You have to stand on a mountain of conspiracy theories to believe it. Of course, credit to the russian propaganda machine for making so many people believe in their shit, and probably make many more insecure about whats actually going on.
Funny thing is that this whole story has been played back before in georgia for example. Russia supporting small separatist area, to keep strategic advantages, as having a dagger in Georgia's side they can twist whenever they want.
Exactly the same in Ukraine, they have organized a situation where they can never be free. A weak, shitty Ukraine is great for Kremlin. They can get cheap workforce, as well as selling the idea that even thinking about western ideas will lead to hell. They can just point to Ukraine, and scare their own population with chocolate chip cookies...
Anyway.. The extreme polarization of opinions, no one seems to be "in the middle", is caused because RF propaganda is so insanely upside down. It's futile to buy "half of it", because you need the whole package if it is to make any sense.
Here it is:
* RF is surrounded by enemies (NATO is not an enemy of RF. The idea of a war between RF and NATO is absurd. MAD ensures peace.)
* West is weak, corrupt, morally and sexually degenerate. (Truth is Russia is the most corrupt and oppressing - no morals country )
* The west is just as bad, if not worse than Russia for its people. (LOL, go travel to see a normal, working society Nicko, Tovi go to Russia and see for urself how shitty it is. And I don't mean the extreme poverty and differences between rich and poor. Just see how the system itself is extremely rotten. )
* Russia is not to blame for its poverty and shitty situation. (It is. You have not been able to fix your society after communism like many other countries has.)
* New gvnm in Ukraine are fascists. (This is perhaps 5% true and 95% untrue.)
* Russians in Ukraine was under threat. (Simply, no. But yes there was some anti-russian sentiment, considering a lot of people was sick of following the Russia way, and they had a corrupt, useless president that was nothing more than a russian puppet in the end. Also considering ex-presidents poisoned by russian agents in the past. Yes.. considering the past. Not strange at all. Still, most people had nothing against russians or russian language. )
* If west can do as it likes, then so can russia. (None of them should.)
* CIA snipers/UKR shooting down MH17 kind of sentiment. Totally unproven BS taken from thin air.
----- In the end though, I'm curious of the first emotion of Russians when Ukraine was about to slide away. Was it humiliating? Are you happy your president took action? What did you FEEL? (I think this is interesting..)
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